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Help Choosing External Memory?

Hi everyone, first post. I am a proud owner of the Archos 43 IT. So, I recently acquired the usb host cable from Deal Extreme.
Now, I only have two usb stick (8, and 16gb) neither of which work. My first intention was to put all of wikipedia on one flash drive (wikipedia is about 14.8 gb) so I could have everything on a portable screen. My second intention was to get an external hard drive (large capacity for movies on the HDTV), but there is a looot of misconception of what kind of drives work (NFTS, USB powered, etc) so I would love someone to spell out two things: What sixteen gigabyte usb drives are confirmed to work, and what sort of hard drive would the community recommend?
Thanks in advance.

Does the drive matter, or is it more the format of the drive? I have a bunch of USB drives that are all formatted either FAT32 or NTFS and they all seem to work.
I have not tried a external hard drive yet...

Well both of mine are fat32. I think its more an issue of powering the drives. From what I understand the Archos doesn't really give all that much juice to what's plugged in the host.

Mr. Raven'sFjord said:
Well both of mine are fat32. I think its more an issue of powering the drives. From what I understand the Archos doesn't really give all that much juice to what's plugged in the host.
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is your cable in working condition? you can try putting an external HDD and power the HDD with an external source to see if it works

redname said:
is your cable in working condition? you can try putting an external HDD and power the HDD with an external source to see if it works
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Ah, yes it works just fine. I'v been using a USB keyboard with a trackball via the adapter, and I just plugged in my brother's external hard drive with a wall adapter (I don't have an external hd), and it worked great. So its just the flash drives, I just want to know if anyone has a 16gb drive they own that works via usb host.

Okay, here is a list of flash drives I've personally used that work without issue:
OCZ Diesel 4GB
Kingston Data Traveler 16GB
OCZ Rally2 8GB (Dual channel)
Corsair Flash Voyager 8GB
Sandisk Cruzer 1GB
Lexar 1GB
Here is a list of external hard drives/enclosures I've tested that work without issue:
Seagate FreeAgent Go
Metal Gear Box IDE Enclosure
Venus DS IDE Enclosure
Rosewill RS-358-S SATA I/II Enclosure
Here is a list of NAS drives I've tested that work without issue:
DataRobotics Drobo-FS
Buffalo Terrastation II
Hopefully this helps.

ExploreMN said:
Okay, here is a list of flash drives I've personally used that work without issue:
Kingston Data Traveler 16GB
Hopefully this helps.
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Hi, this does help. However, it leads to another question: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Kingston+Data+Traveler&x=15&y=22#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=kingston+datatraveler+16&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Akingston+datatraveler+16
There seems to be a lot of variations on the data traveler 16gb. Would you mind telling me which one you personally have?

Mr. Raven'sFjord said:
Hi, this does help. However, it leads to another question: There seems to be a lot of variations on the data traveler 16gb. Would you mind telling me which one you personally have?
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Holy buckets...had no idea there were so many versions. LOL.
Well, it says its a Data Traveler 2.0 under the hardware IDs. I don't think they even sell this model anymore. I bought it from Microcenter.com at the time.

Have you tried a micro sd card reader dongle with a 16GB micro sd card?
That's the solution I've been using and it has been working fine with my 43

ExploreMN said:
Okay, here is a list of flash drives I've personally used that work without issue:
OCZ Diesel 4GB
Kingston Data Traveler 16GB
OCZ Rally2 8GB (Dual channel)
Corsair Flash Voyager 8GB
Sandisk Cruzer 1GB
Lexar 1GB
Here is a list of external hard drives/enclosures I've tested that work without issue:
Seagate FreeAgent Go
Metal Gear Box IDE Enclosure
Venus DS IDE Enclosure
Rosewill RS-358-S SATA I/II Enclosure
Here is a list of NAS drives I've tested that work without issue:
DataRobotics Drobo-FS
Buffalo Terrastation II
Hopefully this helps.
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Well according to your signature you have a 101 tablet, which has a full-size USB port that delivers more power to the device and has much wider drive compatibility. The smaller devices (43 and 70) provide less USB power and few devices work with them.
We need to get a list going of confirmed working peripherals with each device...

Mr. Raven'sFjord said:
Now, I only have two usb stick (8, and 16gb) neither of which work. My first intention was to put all of wikipedia on one flash drive (wikipedia is about 14.8 gb) so I could have everything on a portable screen.
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Everytime I see this I trip over the line that wikipedia is 14.8 gigs. I know this is totally off-topic, but wha!??! ("the compressed file enwiki-20100130-pages-meta-history.xml.bz2 is over 280.3 GB in size (in 7z format is over ~31 GB), and decompresses to several (>5) Terabytes of text.")
My mind, it is boggled.

Best gain from external memory
there are interesting posts, in the development thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=934087
seems that best performing cards on archos 101, after several tests, are
Transcent 8gb/6/0x4142
Lexar 16gb/6/0x4245
which approximate the internal card performance

USB OTG micro sdcard reader !

I've been thinking abit during christmas and searching ebay after the ultimate product for theese new devices that has micro USB with OTG capabilities.
I wish for a small OTG cable with built in micro SD card reader. Now I use an OTG cable and a small reader which ofcourse gets a bit lumpy.
With todays micro SD card readers integrated into a USB shell it shoud be easy to make it as a msall unit that goeas straight into the micro usb port, eiterh as a mall dongle with all integrated or as a coonnector with up to 2 inches of cable.
Or has someone already made this and I ca't find it ?

Thats the set up I'm using. There is no 'integrated' version I can think of but I'm trying to strip mine down and integrate them into a case.
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A case with integrated microSD a great idea. Would be perfect for a GN, especially my GSM version haha.

Maybe Radio shack has some small case for projects and we can put the innards in a small form factor.

okay this isn't exactly what your looking for, but it's my setup and it works perfectly.
i'm using this cable. there are cheaper ones available but i wanted one that had comments saying it worked. (the cheaper one also goes the other direction.)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GGBYJ4/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details
and this reader:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HGFKR8/ref=oh_o02_s00_i00_details
with this setup i used a class 10 16GB patriot memory microsd and it worked perfectly and incredibly fast. also i played standard def WMV and AVI files with no issues, in addition to a 720p episode of transformers prime and a 1080p movie trailer with no lag at all.
i'm looking into buying a 32GB, but i'm sure it will work considering microSD cards to not require a lot of power.
I was hoping that the phone would read my 1TB hard drive, but unfortunately it doesn't, so this is now my backup.

I have the same otg and reader...
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Interesting. Pretty slick. This would be great for those that want extra files on the go.
LTE EX Galaxy Nexus - 4.0.3 CM9
Asus Transformer - 3.2 Revolver

neok44 said:
okay this isn't exactly what your looking for, but it's my setup and it works perfectly.
i'm using this cable. there are cheaper ones available but i wanted one that had comments saying it worked. (the cheaper one also goes the other direction.)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GGBYJ4/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details
and this reader:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HGFKR8/ref=oh_o02_s00_i00_details
with this setup i used a class 10 16GB patriot memory microsd and it worked perfectly and incredibly fast. also i played standard def WMV and AVI files with no issues, in addition to a 720p episode of transformers prime and a 1080p movie trailer with no lag at all.
i'm looking into buying a 32GB, but i'm sure it will work considering microSD cards to not require a lot of power.
I was hoping that the phone would read my 1TB hard drive, but unfortunately it doesn't, so this is now my backup.
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does work on widows 7 and does it support 32gb hc sd???

It's not too big of a deal for me since mine is an adapter vs a cord.
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Kryptonian_Knight said:
does work on widows 7 and does it support 32gb hc sd???
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mine do
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Kryptonian_Knight said:
does work on widows 7 and does it support 32gb hc sd???
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works perfect on windows 7. just shows up like a flash drive would. as far as 32GB. can't say since my max card i own is a 16.
*edit* ah just saw the other post lol. Good to know a 32gig works. i'll be picking one up eventually now.

Do you think your sdcard reader draws less energy from the phone than a USB stick?
It's not handy for me using my old big USB stick and your solution seems better.

calubren said:
Do you think your sdcard reader draws less energy from the phone than a USB stick?
It's not handy for me using my old big USB stick and your solution seems better.
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That's a good question... never thought of that! My thought is its probably the same or more than a usb
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i can pretty much guarantee you that the microsd reader and card use less power than a USB stick.
i've confirmed a 16GB card, and another user has confirmed a 32GB card.
But in my flash drive tests, NOTHING over 8GB would work. i tried 3 different brand 16Gb and 2 different brand 32Gb and none worked. Additionally no portable hard drives worked either.
pretty much confirms that the cards use a lot less power than the flash drives.

neok44 said:
i can pretty much guarantee you that the microsd reader and card use less power than a USB stick.
i've confirmed a 16GB card, and another user has confirmed a 32GB card.
But in my flash drive tests, NOTHING over 8GB would work. i tried 3 different brand 16Gb and 2 different brand 32Gb and none worked. Additionally no portable hard drives worked either.
pretty much confirms that the cards use a lot less power than the flash drives.
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I suppose your right.. good deduction
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neok44 said:
i can pretty much guarantee you that the microsd reader and card use less power than a USB stick.
i've confirmed a 16GB card, and another user has confirmed a 32GB card.
But in my flash drive tests, NOTHING over 8GB would work. i tried 3 different brand 16Gb and 2 different brand 32Gb and none worked. Additionally no portable hard drives worked either.
pretty much confirms that the cards use a lot less power than the flash drives.
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What about formatting? If I recall correctly, the phone won't read anything that is NTFS formatted, as its not in the kernel.
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External hard drives require a startup power, that's why some of them have 2 USB connections. Even though they should only require one connection to work, depending on the computer you are connecting to, you may need to connect 2 USB ports to supply enough power for the hdd to spin up. After that it works fine.
I doubt the GN will ever supply the necessary power for an external HDD to work though. Best to stick to FAT32 flash drives and SD cards.
I have successfully connected a fat32 16Gb flash drive to my GN with a USB OTG adapter without any problems. Just make sure it's formatted as fat32 and not NTFS.

@esoomenona: i tried both fat32 and NTFS, on 16GB neither worked. my 32gb are all NTFS. did not know about the formatting kernel though. hope my kernel supports it since i plan on formatting my incoming 32gb microsd to ntfs.
@flakz0r: figured as much about the hard drives. my transformer can run it, so now it just needs to get ICS so it can play 720p videos without lag.
interesting that you got a fat32 16gb flash drive to work. guess the phone just doesn't like mine.
and since were on the subject of formatting, does anyone know any specific kernel that supports NTFS. i know stickmount just added support but it says you still need a kernel that supports it.

esoomenona said:
What about formatting? If I recall correctly, the phone won't read anything that is NTFS formatted, as its not in the kernel.
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My micro SD cards came in FAT32 format and it works fine
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neok44 said:
and since were on the subject of formatting, does anyone know any specific kernel that supports NTFS. i know stickmount just added support but it says you still need a kernel that supports it.
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You can bug the kernel developers to try to add it for you?

[Q] External HD for Note 2

Im thinking if the note 2 can be able to read a 500GB HD?

It can.
Though bear in mind non rooted ones can't read ntfs. Only fat32 and exfat.
Also the disk may need external power source
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HypoDest said:
It can.
Though bear in mind non rooted ones can't read ntfs. Only fat32 and exfat.
Also the disk may need external power source
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so sad my hard drive doesnt have external power source, just a plug and play type.

Vela_Ocampo said:
so sad my hard drive doesnt have external power source, just a plug and play type.
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try to use powered usb hub
like this : http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-4-Port-Cable-Power-Supply/dp/B00004Z6KW
its for 14 bucks

If it's a 2.5" bus powered hdd, it will work fine. Have you tried to connect it? As mentioned above you would also need to have it formatted as Fat32 otherwise the SGN2 will not be able to read the data.
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Paradaz said:
If it's a 2.5" bus powered hdd, it will work fine. Have you tried to connect it? As mentioned above you would also need to have it formatted as Fat32 otherwise the SGN2 will not be able to read the data.
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this mean i need to root my phone first?

Fat32 and exFat disks are natively supported so no root required.
Ntfs requires an app like pandora which needs root.
Also, the phone may not be able to power hdds on its own. So the hdds needs is own power source or you can use a powered usb hub
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I've tried a neso/Hitachi 500gb and a WD 1tb 2.5" with an OTG USB lead and my note 2 will read neither, yet my sgs3 reads both.
The neso is probably fat32 and the wd has been formatted with a mac to exfat.
Coincidentally, when using an Arcam rwave to an rcube dock the note 2 plays faultlessly yet the sgs3 "pops" during playback.
Both are UK devices running 4.1.1
Very strange indeed.

If you need 500 gb you have two options: external usb powered hub (I do own a belkin one...very small and working perfect) or external powered hdd. I suggest an 2.5 ssd & external 2.5 rack which works flawless without the need of external power. You loose some space capacity but you gain extra speed .
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Mini Micro-SD Card Reader

This is a pretty neat idea, and is compatible with the new Droid line. For $12 you get a coin-sized micro SD adapter that attaches to your key chain. Supports up to 64Gb micro SD cards.

I have 3 of these, I'm an original Kickstarter backer & love this little thing
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I got a pair of them, too. I use them mainly for movie storage for my Nexus 7. You can use a 64GB card, but you (usually) have to reformat it as FAT32. The 64GB cards come formatted with exFAT, which isn't widely supported by Android devices.

reggie14 said:
I got a pair of them, too.
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Sounds good)
What about battery drain with this adapter?

I've got one, but it hasn't worked since I upgraded to KitKat. Stickmount doesn't seem to work for me, either. Does anyone have this working with KitKat? What's the trick?

summer.cat said:
Sounds good)
What about battery drain with this adapter?
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No idea. I haven't noticed much of a difference. What are you trying to do? The main reason to use an adapter like this seems to be to play videos stored on a microSD card. I would strongly expect that the screen and CPU/GPU would be dominating the power usage in that case.
marksibert said:
I've got one, but it hasn't worked since I upgraded to KitKat. Stickmount doesn't seem to work for me, either. Does anyone have this working with KitKat? What's the trick?
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Unfortunately, the 4.4 update removed USB-OTG support. You can't mount USB sticks anymore (unless you root and install StickMount). However, you could use a third party application like Total Commander with the USB Stick plugin. You still can't mount the card, but you can access files through the Total Commander app.

reggie14 said:
What are you trying to do?
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you asked right question))
it will be not all time-plugged storage, but on demand to watch videos or show photos e.t.c.
Gonna buy! )

I use this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20821&ef_id=UgAJZwAAAFmLfDUC:20140411193344:s
It's a flash drive with a USB 2.0 connector on one side, and a micro USB OTG connector on the other. It's awesome. I do TWRP backups to this drive and it works like a charm.
Also handy for storing tons of videos.

FYI. I got USB OTG support working on my Droid Maxx. I'm rooted, but otherwise haven't done anything out of the ordinary to the phone. I don't think you have to be rooted to get it to work, but I have no way to verify that myself.
Anyway, the instructions are over in the Moto-X forum, and they work fine for the Maxx.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/otg-supported-4-4-2-unrooted-via-t2709553
The trick is to create a shortcut to the "Qualcomm Settings" app, run it, and enable USB OTG support there.

An interesting idea. Thanks for sharing.

BTW-OTG works as is on 444.

I am from India and using this Sandisk 2in1 USB Disk to transfer files to and fro (b/w DroidMAXX and any computer)... It costs 599Rs when I have bought... Working fine on OnePlus ONE also...
LINK HERE

Just received my Kingston off USB it works fine. I use fx to view the drive and transfer files
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zerogun said:
I use this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20821&ef_id=UgAJZwAAAFmLfDUC:20140411193344:s
It's a flash drive with a USB 2.0 connector on one side, and a micro USB OTG connector on the other. It's awesome. I do TWRP backups to this drive and it works like a charm.
Also handy for storing tons of videos.
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Are you doing twrp backups in recover? If you did how did you get twrp to read ext SD?
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tecsironman said:
Are you doing twrp backups in recover? If you did how did you get twrp to read ext SD?
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TWRP would not recognize the external SD. I had to offer use CWM.

zerogun said:
TWRP would not recognize the external SD. I had to offer use CWM.
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What version are you using?
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The Newest version of twrp supports ext sd . helps out a ton when you want to back up your current setup just incase you do something stupid.

Half otg suppprt

Well I just found out the turbo 2 doesn't transfer from the device to a USB but it does transfer from the USB to the device. This sucks I need it to work the other way. I hope they fix this with marshmallow or a small update. There is not reason a device should not support this in today's day and age.
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I know that this was last posted two months ago but I'm pissed that this function has been turned off by Motorola. I tried multiple otg's and thumb drives. And nothing, doesn't even recognize the otg. Downloaded a app off of play store to run a check on it and it come back like the turbo 2 doesn't support otg. I use it for Movies and transferring files between devices. Has anyone found a fix or at least heard anything from Motorola about it?

tmease1 said:
I know that this was last posted two months ago but I'm pissed that this function has been turned off by Motorola. I tried multiple otg's and thumb drives. And nothing, doesn't even recognize the otg. Downloaded a app off of play store to run a check on it and it come back like the turbo 2 doesn't support otg. I use it for Movies and transferring files between devices. Has anyone found a fix or at least heard anything from Motorola about it?
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Went on Motorola forums and Mark was useless. Told me he would look into it and never got back to me. I did find a work around. Download USB otg file manager for nexus from the play store it works on the turbo 2. only issue is its slower then having it native in the OS. It can take 5 to 10 minutes to transfer a movie depending on size.
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bigv5150 said:
Went on Motorola forums and Mark was useless. Told me he would look into it and never got back to me. I did find a work around. Download USB otg file manager for nexus from the play store it works on the turbo 2. only issue is its slower then having it native in the OS. It can take 5 to 10 minutes to transfer a movie depending on size.
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It won't work on my phone. I tried that because I already had the app on my nexus. Motorola needs to fix this.

tmease1 said:
It won't work on my phone. I tried that because I already had the app on my nexus. Motorola needs to fix this.
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That makes no sense it works on mine and we have the same phone. Maybe it's the USB stick. Is this the app you tried.
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bigv5150 said:
That makes no sense it works on mine and we have the same phone. Maybe it's the USB stick. Is this the app you tried.
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Its taken me awhile to get back on here. I work non stop and forget about things. I've tried multiple otg apps and this is what i got the last time. It's ridiculous. My wife has the same phone and it wont work on hers either.

Ok, this is my last post about this. I plugged the otg cored in with a wireless mouse and it worked. I have 4 different brands and sizes of thumb drives and non of them work. It seems like the phone isn't pushing out enough power through the otg cord to read the thumb drives. Any ideas?

Moto X Force here, just plugged my CorsairVoyager Go 64Gb , read and write ok
Did you grand USB Storage permissions ? If not you can read but not write
Just install ES explorer, the first time you'll try to write on the usb storage a permissions pop-up will appear and guide you through to accept sd-card write or usb-storage write
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if storage permissions don't work maybe Verizon disabled some OTG functions that are enable in the international version (Moto X Force) (((((((

My Turbo 2 has worked fine with OTG since day one... using a Meenova Dash Micro, shows up under "Storage" in Settings and can be accessed by any app...

Ok, im not going to let this go because it bugs me. I have four flash drives of different brands and sizes. My wife found a 2gb PNY flash drive from about 6 years ago and have it to me yesterday. I said to hell with it and plugged in the otg cable and put the flash drive in. Hell froze over quickly because it worked. It's the only one that has worked so far and I do not understand it because it's old. It's formatted in FAT. The rest of my flash drives are formatted FAT32. Anyone have a clue because I sure don't. I was going to re format my other flash drives but I shouldn't have to because my nexus and my s5 read them just fine.

If you want to copy files without changing time stamp you should use Root Explorer ou ES File Manager, works fine for me

Ok, just for a update... I gave up on this for awhile. I had been trying to use Toshiba, Sandisk and PNY usb 2.0 Flash drives and none of those would work. I had ordered a Sandisk usb 3.0 off of Amazon a few weeks back and i had forgotten that i had gotten it. I found it in my drawer and tried it with the otg cable and it worked. I tried it on my wife's turbo 2 and it worked on hers. So I've found a brand and usb type that will work with my phone so I'll stick with it.

tmease1 said:
Ok, just for a update... I gave up on this for awhile. I had been trying to use Toshiba, Sandisk and PNY usb 2.0 Flash drives and none of those would work. I had ordered a Sandisk usb 3.0 off of Amazon a few weeks back and i had forgotten that i had gotten it. I found it in my drawer and tried it with the otg cable and it worked. I tried it on my wife's turbo 2 and it worked on hers. So I've found a brand and usb type that will work with my phone so I'll stick with it.
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I am using Es file explorer pro and it works with any USB device. From what I can tell you have to grant permission to the file explorer. Not all ask for permission so the transfer fails.
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I thought I'd add my experience here. I bought an X Force, and on day one tried a 64Gb SanDisk USB stick. It worked fine, and I started watching a movie. On day 2 I took the Marshmallow OTA, tried the USB stick again (to finish watching the movie) and... no joy. After a bit of research, I believe that this is because the USB stick is formatted as exFAT, and it looks as if Moto dropped support for exFAT in Marshmallow.

I have the Droid Turbo 2, USA Verizon - and the Sandisk USB 3.0 with the dual port. The thumbdrive worked on my Kindle Fire 7", and my buddy's Galaxy Note 5, no problem. It even worked on my kindle fire when formatted to NTFS. It doesn't work on my Droid, with the MicroUSB plug, or when the normal USB 3.0 end is plugged into an OTG cable. However, if I plug the sandisk thumbdrive into a Sabrent USB 3.0 hub, plug that into my OTG cable, and plug that into the Droid Turbo 2, I can read everything just fine.

Then looks like that Turbo doesn't provide enough power to usb device or doesn't provide it at all.
But, I have Oppo portable headphone DAC amplifier HA-2 (and PM-3 headphones, awesome sound) and works out of the box with Force. Even indicate charging if I use generic OTG cable. With Oppo cable, amplifier is not draining any energy from the phone.
I'll try USB stick with Force...
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