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I just picked up my brand new Note 2 in white from ATT this week, running on Straight Talk. Rooted it before I took the plastic stickers off it, easiest and fastest root ever for me, and I am not a smart techie guy.
Anyways, I wanted to first try out a stock Touchwiz ROM, and found a very popular ROM here, installed it, and then installed Nova launcher with Jellybean theme, and I also installed a few ismc mods to give the phoen a pretty close to stock AOSP Nexus look, while still keeping the good Touchwiz S-Pen apps and widgets.
My last few phones have been One X running CM10, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus-S, Nexus-One. As you see, I am a fan of the pure vanilla look and feel. But it seems to me, that Jellybean has really made non Nexus phones really good, and with a launcher like Nova, and themed like Jellybean, it is darn close to the real nexus deal to me.
My question.
What are the performance numbers or at least your personal feel and opinion if you have used both on the Note 2 ? How does a good AOSP ROM, like CM10.1 run on the Note 2, compared to a stock Touchwiz ROM like cleanROM or JediX. Does the feel feel faster & smoother on AOSP over Touchwiz ? Battery life I am sure better on Tocuhwiz ?
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Running on JellyBeer, which uses CM10.1 as the base, it feels so much faster than stock. In fact, the battery life is also much much better.
I have to say I am pretty happy with cleanROM and my themes + Nova. Looks just like a Nexus now.
I do love AOSP, and sure it would be faster than Touchwiz ROM's, but I think I will hold off on those till next month, just reading there are few little bugs or minor issues still in these AOSP ROM's. I think another few weeks or month they be ironed out, and good to go.
I would switch to AOSP if its like crazy faster performance over Touchwiz ? If benchmark shows like night and day faster. Is it ?
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I have to say I am pretty happy with cleanROM and my themes + Nova. Looks just like a Nexus now.
I do love AOSP, and sure it would be faster than Touchwiz ROM's, but I think I will hold off on those till next month, just reading there are few little bugs or minor issues still in these AOSP ROM's. I think another few weeks or month they be ironed out, and good to go.
I would switch to AOSP if its like crazy faster performance over Touchwiz ? If benchmark shows like night and day faster. Is it ?
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I wouldn't call out timelines, but I guarantee you that in a matter of a little over a week, the developers made giant strides to how it is now, which is near perfect. Sure, there's minor bugs, but nothing people can't live with. They're very minor, and most people who complain about certain supposed quirks either complain just to complain (I see them as people who can never be pleased), or haven't explored their settings long enough to realize what they're complaining about, whether something seems missing to them or isn't adjusted to the way they want, is right in front of them.
You are tempting me to try out AOSP Sorry I didn't mean to put a timeline out there, I am sure the good ones are stable and good enough as daily's.
I really am tempted by all these AOSP ROM's. But then with AOSP I lose the S-Pen features. Are the AOSP that much faster and smoother than Touchwiz ROM's, or not really ? Right now with Nova launcher mods + themes my phone looks almost like a Nexus already, is it worth it going to full AOSP ?
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You are tempting me to try out AOSP Sorry I didn't mean to put a timeline out there, I am sure the good ones are stable and good enough as daily's.
I really am tempted by all these AOSP ROM's. But then with AOSP I lose the S-Pen features. Are the AOSP that much faster and smoother than Touchwiz ROM's, or not really ? Right now with Nova launcher mods + themes my phone looks almost like a Nexus already, is it worth it going to full AOSP ?
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As I recall, some of the ROMs have Nova Launcher included. I'm not sure how a Nexus looks, but I would say it's not too different.
And yes, as I said before, AOSP (and even AOKP) is faster than stock. It's because it gets rid of the bloatware. As for S-Pen features, it depends on you and what you like. Apparently airview and the like won't be available unless someone ports it over, but S Notes can be replicated with another app.
Why not do a nandroid backup and flash a CM10.1 ROM and take it for a spin. You can always go back to your backup. I prefer running CM10.1. simple powerful interface and great performance. Touchwiz is to bulky and if you want spen apps pypirus is a great option
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I get better battery life and performance out of TW ROMs. I'm running JediX9 with the provided kernel with amazing results. Plus it has the spen features.
I try CM10.1 once in a while and always go back to Jedi.
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My biggest gripe on CM right now is audio. Incall audio and speaker volume are poor opposed to TW. I talk on the phone quite a bit and I can tell the difference noticeably. It will get ironed out, and I will be on CM for good.
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I'm running the asylum aosp ROM and I'm having the best performance of any ROM I've tried to date, but on both in benchmark and subjective feel. I do find myself missing touch work tremendously though with some of its features. But I so love that my group messages workwwithout having to install a crappy third party messaging app.
As far as battery life, for me, the difference is negligible.
So had my note 2 for a couple of months now, and love it. I'm using stock (but rooted) 4.1.1.
I've got Apex launcher and most icons and stuff skinned to AOSP, though I miss some of the AOSP apps and the look and feel around the device of AOSP.
What would I miss if I left touchwiz? The rom needs to be *rock solid* stable as well - I'm only moving if it feels as smooth as stock!
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from my experience:
Stock advantages:
better Camera, Camcorder with slow motion video, everything regarding Spen that is going beyond simple gestures, Spen software even though you can get replacements for that (like Papyrus instead of SNote), Allshare Cast and working MHL and HDMI output through dock, multiwindow
AOSP advantages:
faster Speed, newer Android version including its features (for 4.2.2 you get lockscreen widgets for example), open community with many innovative design ideas like PIE Navigation or PA hybrid engine and the like, AOSP look (if that's your thing, it is for me), a lot less bloatware -> choose what you want to install
They are both as stable as anything you can get in terms of ROMs. In the end it's a question of what features you want to have, if you can live without the Samsung exclusive stuff or not.
+1 mrruin
I love aosp roms but im sticking to Tw rom just for the sake of camera features. .
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Which is the most stable AOSP rom? Carbon looks nice though there's no bug list or tracker that I can find?
Also just found my device has the SDS chip so not going to be doing anything while I'm still in warranty
Imo liquid smooth is the best.U can also try slim bean 3 !
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In general I find battery life a lot better on stock roms rather than AOSP.
Honestly, you'd miss a hell lot. It would just be another phone with massive screen with AOSP. I mean sure, you get the stock android experience and all that jazz, but on Note II, I would highly recommend sticking to TW based roms.
You'd miss: A hell lot of SPen features (like Airview), Multitasking, Motion, Camera app, S Note, other apps like Polaris Office if you use that. And from my experience, far more bug free than AOSP roms - again, that's purely my experience, might be way off here.
Just get a good AOSP themed TW based ROM and AOSP apps. I'm using Project AOSP now, AllianceROM is good too, from what I hear.
I like Touchwiz based roms on this phone a lot more, not back in the s1 and s2 days, cm was way better, but now Samsung finally got there act together.
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best aosp for me - carbon ... they got nightly version as well haha
best tw based - ARHD or Wanam or Monxdified (cant go wrong with any of them)
best mix of both world - project aosp
I can confirm alliance ROM. I'm running it on a Verizon note 2 and it is the business! Keep coming back to it even during my own confusion on if I should run aosp or touchwiz
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I love aosp's thats what im using on my nexus 4, lol like i have a choice
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Personally I think you should stick to stock. All the hardware works properly then, especially the camera which has always been a problem with the open source ROMS. You DO end up with more memory and less "blo
In fact jonatton has already said it all clearly.
I'm a firm believer in the statement "My phone with custom ASOP runs so much faster, now that half the features don't work properly!!"
ASOP was a good choice on a lot of older phones where the stock ui was too heavy for the hardware. The Note II is not one of those phones. It's such a mighty beast that nothing much can really slow it down. Has anyone actually been able to fill the ram up yet? Not me that's for sure.
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I have to agree that the Note 2 is a better phone running Touchwiz based ROMs. When I initially rooted my phone I went with the Note-orious Prime ROM with the Note2 Core kernel. I then decided to try another ROM so I ran my Note 2 on Pacman, Paranoid Android 3.
Sure the Paranoid ROM was amazing in its customization and had a buttery smoothness, but thats it.
I lost all pen features, s-voice which actually works brilliantly for me. I had random weird system issues. The camera sucked. Lost all voice command capabilities.
The other day I had enough, flipped back to Note-orious Prime and now wont look back.
The way I look at it is that it isnt bloatware if you actually use it.
EDIT: to add I also had atrocious battery life with the paranoid rom compared to the touchwiz.
Interesting thread.
I also might start off with a TW based ROM.
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+1 .....yup ....you are right ....hardware support is must ....im ARHD v17 ..best rom ever...few days ago posted the same post but some, so called critc's who think they are Developers ....did not like it at all :banghead:
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Been messing around with note 2 roms, and I too must say that stock tw feels best for me. I thought I don't care much for Sammy stock bloatware, but as I installed AOSP roms I started to miss my s note, air view, s Pen gestures etc. Now I tend to stick with tw based. Love phoenix, bobcat, arhd, wanamlite and assassin.
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to add on to what's already been said I've actually been bouncing back & fourth from AOSP to TW & I've ran into a little issue that has me staying with TW for permanent although I love the DPI options you get on AOSP the most important feature for me was that my Beats headphones would barely work on Aosp I'd always get complaints from people saying they could barely hear me..never happens on TW though..
*Yawn* Another best ROM thread
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Hello kind folks at xda,
I really hate my galaxy nexus the past few months. It's just so incredibly slow and the battery life is terrible. I just don't wanna buy a new phone yet. I'm waiting for the new Nexus device or maybe even the X-Phone by Motorola.
But till then, I need my nexus to be smooth again. I already given up the hope for a battery life. It just doesn't get any better. I've been not very active on xda for a long time so I need to get a bit freshed up.
What is for you the most smootest/fastest rom/kernel?
Im now using a battery savers Xylon rom from 2 months ago.
Thanks a lot!
Since 4.2 it all got a bit f*d up for our Gnex'es unfortunately.. I have the same feeling like you, I like the phone still generally but I hate when it lags so much, whereas before 4.2 it seemed super smooth. Yet it would be stupid to have a Nexus and run an "older" android version, right ?
I can advise Rasbeanjelly with trinity kernel. Runs smoother than stock, and it has the fasted lockscreen unlock I've ever seen! Battery life is doable too, comparable with stock rom. But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
before you flash a new rom and kernel, have you considered what exactly is the real issue here? is it really the rom or yourself?
because quite frankly, a lot of roms are in fact not as smooth/stable as the stock rom.
are you running ****load of widgets? or have the background apps constantly updating stuff like facebook/twitter/rss feed etc?
when you say terrible battery life, what exactly is terrible to you? like how much standby + on screen?
We need more specifics to help, you cant just say tell me the best rom and kernel to flash.
TL;DR - CM + AK kernel is my personal favourite.
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Since 4.2 it all got a bit f*d up for our Gnex'es unfortunately.. I have the same feeling like you, I like the phone still generally but I hate when it lags so much, whereas before 4.2 it seemed super smooth. Yet it would be stupid to have a Nexus and run an "older" android version, right ?
I can advise Rasbeanjelly with trinity kernel. Runs smoother than stock, and it has the fasted lockscreen unlock I've ever seen! Battery life is doable too, comparable with stock rom. But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
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You're so right about that. Gonna try what you said. Hope I see some improvement and that the nexus wil actually feel like the flagship phone it once was.
also wtr_dhd, what rom are you running? I have had 4.2.2 stock rom for a few months before switching to CM, it was very smooth, smoother than ics or 4.1 even. Only those stupid hiccups android has when swithcing apps/within apps/chrome. other than that, all the ui transiation are very smooth, like ios level smooth.
People seem to like all these...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1339
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also wtr_dhd, what rom are you running? I have had 4.2.2 stock rom for a few months before switching to CM, it was very smooth, smoother than ics or 4.1 even. Only those stupid hiccups android has when swithcing apps/within apps/chrome. other than that, all the ui transiation are very smooth, like ios level smooth.
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Like I said I'm on Rasbeanjelly rom. And yeah I used stock 4.2.2 for months too, and those hiccups are indeed annoying, and sometimes switching between homescreens lagged too, or app drawer.
I wouldn't say it was iOS'ish smooth at all, I'd say for android you need a decent high-end quad core phone to have such smoothness. A Note 2 for example even with crappy Touchwiz on it is SOO smooth, it destroys the Gnex in terms of smoothness and speed.. But ok, that's an unfair comparison
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But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
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I'll disagree. Its better than my GS3 was stock. I am getting 18+ hours with 2+ hours of screen time on the stock battery, and have the official extended battery on the way. In order to get more than 10-12 hours on the GS3 I needed to root and put an aftermarket ROM and/or kernel, and it CERTAINLY beats the hell out of my buddy's HTC One.
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very funny.
@ hwong
I don't have a lot of widgets; only dashclock and a weather widgets which refreshes every 4 hours.
What I hate is that sometimes it's just so daaaaaaaaaaaamn slow. I'm just like whatsapping and the keyboard ( swiftkey ) just doesn't open. I'm listening to music through poweramp and I get a message, I open it and the moment whatsapp opens, poweramp closes. It's so goddamn annoying. It makes me wanna smash my phone ( figure of speach ofcourse )
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@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
@ hwong
I don't have a lot of widgets; only dashclock and a weather widgets which refreshes every 4 hours.
What I hate is that sometimes it's just so daaaaaaaaaaaamn slow. I'm just like whatsapping and the keyboard ( swiftkey ) just doesn't open. I'm listening to music through poweramp and I get a message, I open it and the moment whatsapp opens, poweramp closes. It's so goddamn annoying. It makes me wanna smash my phone ( figure of speach ofcourse )
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try the ak kernel then, and try using westwood/sio/interactive, with 180000min/1200000max, the real battery saver is both the min and min screen off, just set it to 180000 and you will have fairly good battery. I normally get 22hours ish if i just let my phone idle on table, and about 4-5 hours normal use.
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@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
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Well its true. No two people are going to come in here and tell you the same combo of ROM and kernel. You are going to get a bunch of different answers. The best thing for you to do is to just start trying them out. We all had to do it before we found what worked for us. What works for us may not work for you.
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try the ak kernel then, and try using westwood/sio/interactive, with 180000min/1200000max, the real battery saver is both the min and min screen off, just set it to 180000 and you will have fairly good battery. I normally get 22hours ish if i just let my phone idle on table, and about 4-5 hours normal use.
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Thank you, will try. Is it also just butter smooth? That is now my biggest concern. I accept that the battery s*cks and that it doesn't get any better.
LarsAussems said:
Thank you, will try. Is it also just butter smooth? That is now my biggest concern. I accept that the battery s*cks and that it doesn't get any better.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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Alright, thanks for your help.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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Just yesterday I made an iPhone user jealous at how buttery smooth scrolling is on my GNex running 4.2.2 (showed him the text app with a long list of texts and pictures). He couldn't believe how much smoother it was than his iPhone 4.
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well, i have both ip5 and gnex, my brother has a nexus 4 too, when i tried to compare ip5 with n4, the ui is smooth on both devices, however android will hiccup randomly while ios generally stay smooth, i am not saying iphone never lags, they do as well, but its only under heavy work load, unlike android where they can just lag out of no where, both devices lag under heavy work load, i get that, but somehow android still lag randomly, thats the only thing i am not happt with android, other than that, it is the perfect os comparing to ios.
I'm currently running Jedi on my AT&T Note 2, but I've given AOSP Roms a go here and there. After having a Galaxy Nexus for 9 months, I became quite addicted to them and have very much missed them since moving to the Note 2.
I made the move back to TouchWiz because I wasn't happy with the bugs and hardware compatibility issues on the AOSP ROMs I tried (Primarily PAC as I didn't get much time with much else). Where can I track the progress of AOSP hardware compatibility and what is the current status of it? I know that Samsung released some documentation about the SOC, but in truth how solid is it? Battery life, processing power, and camera all seemed sub-par compared to the Touchwiz roms.
Will AOSP ever be on par with Touchwiz or is this just the way things will always be?
One more question. Given that I'm on T-Mobile and want 4G, what current or upcoming phone would get closest to Nexus like support while satisfying my phablet craving (greater than 5 inch screen)?
I have tried both types of roms. I love AOSP but I love good battery life and smoothness. I would like to use multiwindow and be able to really use my phone to its full potential. What I really want is a TouchWiz AOSP hybrid that has the TW framework with AOSP customization. Sadly noone has tried it to my knowledge. Battery life on TW is best from my understanding. This is because the GPU is dedicated on TW while AOSP uses the CPU to render everything. Hence, the battery drain. Custom DPI is extremely important to me and so I can't see myself going back to touchwiz, plus its not very appealing to be honest. But the features and battery life... I would pay to have someone combine the two.
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I have tried both types of roms. I love AOSP but I love good battery life and smoothness. I would like to use multiwindow and be able to really use my phone to its full potential. What I really want is a TouchWiz AOSP hybrid that has the TW framework with AOSP customization. Sadly noone has tried it to my knowledge. Battery life on TW is best from my understanding. This is because the GPU is dedicated on TW while AOSP uses the CPU to render everything. Hence, the battery drain. Custom DPI is extremely important to me and so I can't see myself going back to touchwiz, plus its not very appealing to be honest. But the features and battery life... I would pay to have someone combine the two.
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Someone WAS working on it. They pretty much got TW themed like AOSP and then gave up after some issues trying to include aroma. Here is the thread if you want to take a look.
I get great battery life on liquid smooth. give it a try.
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Some phones exhibit choppy scrolling, especially when navigating long web pages when multiple apps are running in the background. Rate this thread to express how you smooth scrolling feels on the OnePlus 3T under such conditions. A higher rating indicates that scrolling is always buttery smooth, even when you're reading a 10,000 word article on "how to kiss a girl".
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Oxygen 3.5 has very laggy scroling but it is fixed in OOS4. 5/5
smoothness is way better on OOS4.
Still less smooth than Nexus 6p, but not that much terrible.
OS 4.0.1
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Perfect!
sometimes screen don't move as we want because of touch pad its nice to get a good quality of touch pad.
smoothest phone i'v ever used, even the fb app is smooth
Smooth and Fast. Awesome
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Still less smooth than Nexus 6p, but not that much terrible.
OS 4.0.1
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I've had Nexus 6P for almost a year and OP3T is a lot smoother in basically every task imaginable.
Very smooth not lag or jitter that I've noticed at all.
It also depends on the browser. UC Browser for instance has the smoothest scrolling I've seen. UC Browser is also very fast.
Never experienced any laggy smoothing on any device ive used that isnt a samsung. Gotta say its smooth :3
Overall I am very satisfied with the OP 3T scrolling, best I have ever had except maybe the iphone (my other previous phones have been Note 4, iPhone 5, HTC One X, Samsung Captivate plus currently my work phone is an iphone 6).
My gripe is more with developers not exactly the phone or maybe its with Android. The thing is that for instance Google Earth scrolling and moving around smoothness in the OP3T is crap compared with what you get in an iphone. In this case I am pretty sure it is Googles fault. I thought that android phones could not have the scrolling smoothness, speed and slowing down effects as the iphone and that it was a coding limitation. However, take a look at for instance Ringdroid for Android. The level of scrolling smoothness is amazing, this proves to me that it is possible to have scrolling quality better than on an iphone yet flagship apps like Facebook or Twitter do not have it. Its kinda frustrating....
For the best scrolling smoothness, you will have to switch to AOSPA ROM. Much better than stock OOS and any other ROM I've tried.
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For the best scrolling smoothness, you will have to switch to AOSPA ROM. Much better than stock OOS and any other ROM I've tried.
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Sultanxda's Lineage OS 14.1 with F2FS file system than AOSPA even more smooth.
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It also depends on the browser. UC Browser for instance has the smoothest scrolling I've seen. UC Browser is also very fast.
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Firefox Focus is also a very smooth and fast browser. It's by design stripped to its core so it doesn't have a lot of features, but definitely worth it as a secondary browser.
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