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Meeting with HTC

Hi all
i'm an engineer doing R&D for Leaf Wireless in South Africa. We supply wireless solutions and HTC phones to Africa.
i'm going to Taiwan to meet and recieve training from the HTC engineers from monday the 12th. And since i've received so much help from XDA developers in the past i thought i'd offer.
if there are any customisation questions you have or HTC issues that are proving difficult to solve post them here. i'll ask the guys when i get there and try get some answers.
cheers,
Greg

hmm this thread sounds like it could take off.
i dont think you know what you got yourself into supaspud. i know lots of people are going to have questions and suggestions for htc.
i for one would like to see them implement a wheel mouse not unlike the one in the danger sidekick 3. that would make wm experience 100 times better.
also ask if crossbow will officially be released as an upgrade for the wizard.
when i think of more questions or suggestions ill reply again

?Why don't they make a full size (3.5" or whatever) screen in a cdma with more memory. Hell it doesn't even have to be vga. I use mine as a pda, if I wanted a tiny screen, I'd just get a damn phone.

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also ask if crossbow will officially be released as an upgrade for the wizard.
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Save yourself the bother. It would be up to the telco's to decide on releasing an official update and they would then pay HTC to build the rom. Expect that to happen about the same time as the telco's decide to donate all their profits to third world charities.

It's not a telco thing. If you are refering to the companies who re-brand the HTC machines (most of whom are not telcos) the decision will be based mostly on whether HTC will actually supply the ROM and at what cost if any. They would have a fairly good idea about what they are going to do for some machines as they own one such company that retails their machines (Dopod). Find out about possibility of Artemis crossbow ROM if you can

Linux
It would be interesting to get their opinion on Linux on the HTC platform, and whether they would consider contributing to the development of a well rounded Linux based phone environment.

Yes, their opinion on linux would be good to know
Ask if they have any future plans to support it officially.

Ask them what (apart from soldering the chips on and editing the rom file for memory alocation) needs to be done to make 128mb of ram work on UNIVERSAL (it origionally had it, so the motherboard supports it and it can work

Hello Leaf Wireless
Well, well Greg, I thought that Leaf would not come out of the closet.
I have been the source of information till now, but now please take the stage.
A few months back I introduced a few of your staff to the XDA site.
I am now and then fed tit bits of information which I share on the forum. The ROM 1.35 update is a good example.
There are some clever guys here and we can all all learn together.
The problems I raised with Renier was:
1. Storage card getting lost in Media Player
2. Windows 5 is full of unresloved problems, with the BT stack poor.
3. Battery life on 3G is shocking. I have upgraded to 1.27 to see if things improve.
4. I have an Email from Dan Mackie @HTC Eupope stating that an Major ROM upgrade would be released at the end of January 2007, "to resolve all known issues on the TyTN". Nothing has happened yet!
The issue with the storage card was a known issue and I was informed at the end of September that it would be sorted with the next upgrade.
It hasn't happened yet but I have noticed that the TyTN's that you have received do not have this problem.
Please feel free to contact me should you wish.
Enjoy the trip and let me have a copy of the new ROM before you leave.
Regards
A wish list would be for the keyboard have some kind of a lock to prevent it opening when retrieving from the pouch. I find that I often drop call on closing the keyboard.
The magnets in the pouch are also troublesome and cause screen rotation and also dropped calls at times when rotating back.

GPS in the Hermes
What component of software (hardware??) is missing in the Tytn compared to the Trinity to make the GPS work.
Thanks
Francisco
PS. My first post, and I would like to thanks all the excellent XDA-developers community for this great forum.

@SupaSpud: Tell them to produce a Hermes with VGA screen and GPS and 256Mb ROM, RAM....
Thanks.

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i'll ask the guys when i get there and try get some answers.
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Several people have already asked this question:
- How can we install 128Mb RAM on Universal?
HTC never replied.

sheesh...
wow... looks like I opened up pandora's box. i'm making a list of all the queries and i'll ask them on monday. keep em coming...
ps: i'll find out bout the rom now.

Hey SSpud - gr8 offer !
1. I''d like you to ask why they dont set the default Bluetooth (a2dp) to Stereo (and the bit rate / max bit rate to 40+) ... and generally fix stereo BT.
2. How do they acvtually work with customers (eg BT in the UK) .... I get the inpression they are extremely slow and unresponsive.
2. Camera - if even cheap sony ericons can have autofocus and macro settings why cant HTC ?
3. Stereo Jacks (3.5 or 2.5mm)
4. Direct access to microSD card
5. When will they update their FAQ's and trouble shooting guides beyond the patronising " check that it is turned on type " answers.
Thanks for this oportunity !!
(I'm especially intersted efor Artemis/ XDA orbit)

Hello 'Spud,
Apart from sorting/mentioning the listed problems here - especially the poor bluetooth stack IMO - please do bump the question regarding their future GPS roadmap for TyTN/Hermes series of phones.
Now that will make a true convergence of technologies.
Kind regards,

Mine is a small and trivial request... could they please please please fix the battery meter on the hermes... the [email protected] +/- 10% drives me nuts... wish we could get the +/- 1% like the other devices.

Hello Greg
SupaSpud said:
Hi all
i'm an engineer doing R&D for Leaf Wireless in South Africa. We supply wireless solutions and HTC phones to Africa.
i'm going to Taiwan to meet and recieve training from the HTC engineers from monday the 12th. And since i've received so much help from XDA developers in the past i thought i'd offer.
if there are any customisation questions you have or HTC issues that are proving difficult to solve post them here. i'll ask the guys when i get there and try get some answers.
cheers,
Greg
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Tell the guys at HTC to watch the XDA-Developers site to find out what's wrong with their phones and what features are needed to turn them into great devices - remember the IPhone is comming!
Basil

Tell them not to save cents in devices that cost hundred of dollars. For instance they use cheap and weak cpus like samsung (which has only ARMv4T) ot OMAP with it's low clock frequencies. Or they save memory and instead of using 128MB or more RAM! RAM is cheap! I'd like to see smaller touchscreen displays with VGA resolution! Look at the size and resolution of some nokias: E60 or E70. I'd like to see hermes (device with foldable keyboard) with gps, 624MHz intel cpu, 128MB RAM and 2.2 inch touchscreen in the near future!
YES! Tell them about this forum! Tell them not to do stupid things in locking their devices - this simply reduces their markets!
And tell them that maybe it is about time to see their x86 UMPC! Look at the sony vaio UX180P or UX280P!

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hiimcliff said:
i for one would like to see them implement a wheel mouse not unlike the one in the danger sidekick 3. that would make wm experience 100 times better.
also ask if crossbow will officially be released as an upgrade for the wizard.
when i think of more questions or suggestions ill reply again
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I'm not exactly sure of what you mean about the wheel mouse. You mean like the one the Artemis has?
As for crossbow going onto the Wizard... i don't think that'll happen. But i'll double check.

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cougargt said:
?Why don't they make a full size (3.5" or whatever) screen in a cdma with more memory. Hell it doesn't even have to be vga. I use mine as a pda, if I wanted a tiny screen, I'd just get a damn phone.
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I can't say too much, but if the rumour I heard is true, you might get something like that in the second half of this year. *wink-wink, nudge-nudge*

[Q] HDMI to Component/audio

I am trying to connect a FireTv box to an older 70" XBR Sony TV with only DVI and component inputs. Can someone direct me what would I need to make this work. Thank you

Nope, because it gets boring pretty quick.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/fire-tv-hdmi-to-vga-converter-t3116404
What you didnt do so far.
Look on page 2 of this forum.
Search Amazon for HDMI to component.
Ask how hdcp is handled.
So get your answers from the thread I linked to instead.
Also at some point dragging along people that still dont have HDMI ports gets too bothersome. I dont care how much you spent back then - if people in third world markets have adopted a standard you still are scrambling with, something is very wrong. 70" wasnt economical back then (dont care), and now you want a cheap solution for a problem almost no one else has. Which also isnt economical (from a different POV, and now I care) right now. It will always be a cheap solution, because there is no market for it. Amazingly this means - that there are no consumer grade "brand" products. Amazingly this might also correlate with the fact that you have to strip DRM in order for it to work. Amazingly this means - this just doubled the unlikelyhood for there being branded products.
tldr to is it possible - yes. Even with the copy protection problem.
Translation: Hi - I want illegal, cheap, eastern market converters to degrade my video signal, or strip the audio from the HDMI chain - to facilitate the use of my 10+ year old TV which cost me a small fortune back then. Who is the expert here - that can solve this (partly industry created - see DRM) problem for me? For free.
No, no - thank you.
Chop, chop. Even though Radioshack has gone bankrupt, because the middle of society has turned to the internet to ask their very specific case problem questions - this still doest make this Radioshack. You see - the people you would ask before did get paid to listen to your very interesting case problem, then sell you a gadget. You had value to them, regardless of what you said, because you were a sales target. Question in return, what value do you bring to this forum - with this question?
Especially to those experts who surly would want to help you with your problem.
What you need is an IBM service rep. IBM, where you buy overpriced electronic solutions that will last you for decades. Hint - those are the guys with pocket protectors in a company suit, that still occupy the mental spot of "what electronics as a field is" to probably the majority of an aging society.

Wow! what a lecture for a simple question and BTW I did not ask you (in special) for any illegal options.

And after the rant:
http://www.amazon.com/E-More®-Conve...pebp=1435681310873&perid=0H04E8YTJV3JE9B58KMG
DVI is the better solution, since the video signal doest have to be touched.
Does it work? It should (educated assessment), but I dont care. Is there something better? There is no comparative level also no one would be interested in finding out at that point. Could there be a problem when I... Yes.
Did you really just use the amazon search for me? Yes.
At this point we can stop it - short, but hopefully not entirely uneventful.
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@bula1ca: Thats the entire problem - you did (ask for an illegal solution).
You just dont care about any of the ramification, about whose support we are "playing" here, about who created the issues along the way (DRM which requires an illegal solution, but dont threat, amazon will gladly sell you one), about prolonging certain behavior models, about what a community is, about what motivates it - and what behavior actually destroys it and so forth
This is the prototypical example of being ignorant (part of that also includes not knowing how exactly) and in the end still getting an answer out of it. You did - but hopefully it wasnt entirely painless.
In short - the industry has abandoned you, some of the problems you are facing are industry created, there is no popular interest whatsoever in answering your question, you didnt bring anything to the table (searching, asking the right questions), your electronics buying and usecycles are adding to the problem and you are mistaking a forum for a support site. Also you want free. Thank you.
So at what point would we both find it easier to ignore this question entirely and behave like it didnt happen? And at what point would this discourage others from, in a very distinct way, abusing this platform?
This is the only cause I'm putting this much effort into answering it. To make people like you realize, that if you treat communities like a zero sum game that do your bidding (Hey, I just searched amazon for you! Doesnt that make you feel grand?), you dont do any of us any good.
If you are ignorant to whats causing problems ("Those hackers will always crack DRM!" "Pirates are bad, mkay") - this causes additional problems in the long run. You have managed to get this far without thinking about DRM. Congratulation - but maybe this should change.
Also - I write fast.
edit: As a further notice, if the solution linked to above doesnt work, the DRM on the FIre TV is to new. Is it? Well, find out. Do some research.

bula1ca said:
I am trying to connect a FireTv box to an older 70" XBR Sony TV with only DVI and component inputs. Can someone direct me what would I need to make this work. Thank you
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Before I upgraded my amplifier, I did something similar.
This cable will get you from HDMI-out to DVI-in without any perceptible loss in picture quality. I'd offer my old one for the asking, but it's huge and they're cheap. That takes care of the video.
For the audio, you'll need something like this. I used it because my old amp had optical inputs but no HDMI switching. As with the cable, you can have it for the asking, but I'd recommend getting a newer one. The first gen ran hot and the LEDs are blindingly bright (easily fixed with electrical tape ) But if your old TV has optical inputs, you'd be set.
If your old TV doesn't have optical audio inputs (most only have outputs), it's time to start thinking about HTiB or Home Theater in-a-Box. You can have all my old stuff, but by the time you've paid for the shipping, you can get something newer and shinier.
P.S. Try to ignore the trolls. Eventually, they will get bored and go back to the sandbox.

wellersl said:
Before I upgraded my amplifier, I did something similar.
This cable will get you from HDMI-out to DVI-in without any perceptible loss in picture quality. I'd offer my old one for the asking, but it's huge and they're cheap. That takes care of the video.
For the audio, you'll need something like this. I used it because my old amp had optical inputs but no HDMI switching. As with the cable, you can have it for the asking, but I'd recommend getting a newer one. The first gen ran hot and the LEDs are blindingly bright (easily fixed with electrical tape ) But if your old TV has optical inputs, you'd be set.
If your old TV doesn't have optical audio inputs (most only have outputs), it's time to start thinking about HTiB or Home Theater in-a-Box. You can have all my old stuff, but by the time you've paid for the shipping, you can get something newer and shinier.
P.S. Try to ignore the trolls. Eventually, they will get bored and go back to the sandbox.
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Thanks much appreciated, LOL. I had it hocked up with a HDMI to DVI cable (used for my cable box) however I had a very choppy picture when any video played. This box is the basement very close to the router and should not be a wifi problem. BTW I even plugged in a cable direct from my router and no difference in video quality. My 1st unit on the 2nd floor and plays without any issues.

"Something like this" is also stripping HDCP - so it is in fact the same solution (HDMI goes into a powered black box, ...). With a unnecessary switch added to it. And you made him/her buy an additional cable that arguably isnt needed. (But thats a minor thing.)
When people would at least be surface educated about DRM (HDCP) in this case "just strip it out using these fine products you find on Amazon" wouldnt be an acceptable answer.
Still there is a faction that thinks that we should ignore that, and find it totally normal that we have to point to illegal applications to solve legacy problems, that this is our function on XDA - and please do that politely and mostly silent - because thats what good product support does. Please be so understanding and you get a LOL out of it in return - for your efforts.
I dont see myself as a product support kind of type. Much.
I have different interests - like talking about issues, when they are so obvious. They cant be ignored.
Luckily some are still willing in assisting you in "buying them away". There is just a little problem to it. There is no guarantee that this will work after the next revision of HDMI, or the one after, or the one...
And as we have established, no one is willing to educate, search, or reflect on the issue at hand.
I insist, that the OP is more of a troll than I ever was, not intentionally, but in effect.
Thank you to everyone participating - especially the members of this community that still think skipping the "learning something" part and getting right to the product endorsement was what was needed in this case.
Also, thats just the "ignoring DRM" part. The selfentitlement in not finding out anything about where the problems lie, and how to circumvent them (thread was on page 2) is an entire different chapter. I've covered that one as well.

That is enough. No need for you ignorance and sarcasm to a simple question.
When did I request any support from you?
I asked a simple question. Do you really think it is OK with Sony building all these TVs and now we are left behind with no support?
That is the only reason we are looking for a solution so give us a break and go find someone else to irritate with your stupid remarks.

Thanks for the flavor text.
HDMI and DVi are entirely digital. A choppy image that is caused by the signal connection from the box to the screen is basically impossible (maybe after 50 feet of cable, but still - *neh*). But it surly isnt the wifi. Why even look at the player cache?
When flavor text is used to "simulate" being "technically interested" it changes the entire mood of the situation. Im always appreciative of that one as well.
But thank you for mirroring the "being ignorrant" mantra on to me.
My reaction was animated - but it is justified.
If you can find someone that is willing to give you a product endorsement, you win.
You had little to no effort opening this thread, the other person had little effort answering the question. You learned nothing and no expertise was needed. ("i found that on amazon" was successfully transfered from one person to another) Thats minimal effort, no harm done - maybe the wrong forum, but who cares.
And tomorrow two of you follow.
edit: As for the question "are you ok with this being Sonys fault and us not getting any support from them". Again - your question basically is a paid support question ("dosnt work with what I bought"). You get no support from Sony, because the screen at this point is over 10 years old, or was sold as a professional screen, produced not with consumer devices in mind. Understand that. Companies factor in support, they pay for it, and after a few years, you cant get it anymore. Also, it isnt Sonys fault, because the push towards HDMI always was at least "accompanied" by content provider interests. Your problem to the largest extend is a DRM problem and not a compatibility problem. Solving the DRM problem requires illegal solutions. That are openly sold on amazon (lets not talk about that) - so amazon can profit from it, but we should solve it for you, right?
In addition you havent read up on the problem behind your issue, have bought the hdmi/dvi cable that doesnt solve it for you (but you can now buy a switch for that will strip HDCP), and way back when bought a 70" screen with none of the conventional inputs (maybe an age issue). Again - what have you brought to the table, and why should anyone on XDA cater to your problem - when it was discussed already in a thread on page 2.
Again - "looking for a paid solution, getting it of amazon, followed by an "oh it works" moment - then sharing it with another one" is easy. But it ignores all structural issues with it, the approach, the solution, the problem itself...
And to be very frank - I would even have reacted if someone had just posted an amazon link not contextualizing that this vendor (and amazon) are profiting from an illegal solution to an etirely made up problem (DRM) that was factually "produced" to harm users (legacy issues), on behalf of the content industry.
Why is it in your interest that none of this gets addressed?
I'll gift you not talking about your product buying cycles and why XDA should be the last source to frequent to get support for "whale" (industry term, not derogative) like behavior..
Reduced complexity. Not having to learn anything. But that lets these threads pop up one after the other, and I dont get my chance to point the finger at who actually is responsible for the problem (not you. For the most part. Although you could have done your research.). Because everything becomes "just a simple question" in this light.

Any Open API wristband or smartwatch available

There are plenty of devices around, but we are lost with a simple task - how to get a device with steps, hr and sleep data accessed directly from a device?
In general we wish to find a device with a very simple developers' manual where there is a description how to get a specific data from a device using only a BT. So no additional apps need to be installed on Android, no cloud solutions sending data somewhere to USA, China and similar.
We tried:
1. Angel sensor wristband - they closed their business
2. Microsoft band 2 (they have their own app, but still..) - they abandoned the product
3. Pebble watch HR - you know the story
4. Mi band
Now we are w/o options and I really wonder:
1. Why every device maker provide their own application (usually with very low quality) which sends data to cloud? Is it:
1.1. because they analyze the data and sell it to some advertisers?
1.2. because they wish to establish Apple like - echo system? C'mon if Apple did it there is no proof that FitBit, Jawbone, Misfit or .. (put a name into it) will do it.
So my question is: is there any device with a small direct access description? We do not need an API, we just need a protocol description..
Why we need that - there are some regulations which forbid to send data somewhere w/o control (like seniorscare, eHealth, military). It is frustrated that we can support more than 100 sensors with out iotool.io smartphone IoT gateway, but no wearables
Any suggestion?

SenLab said:
We tried:
1. Angel sensor wristband - they closed their business
2. Microsoft band 2 (they have their own app, but still..) - they abandoned the product
3. Pebble watch HR - you know the story
4. Mi band
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What's the problem with Mi band and Pebble?
SenLab said:
Now we are w/o options and I really wonder:
1. Why every device maker provide their own application (usually with very low quality) which sends data to cloud? Is it:
1.1. because they analyze the data and sell it to some advertisers?
1.2. because they wish to establish Apple like - echo system? C'mon if Apple did it there is no proof that FitBit, Jawbone, Misfit or .. (put a name into it) will do it.
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I suppose it's because a very small market. Microsoft has decided not to catch users with their bands - it shows us the value of the market for big boys.

chinesesmartwatch said:
What's the problem with Mi band and Pebble?
Pebble bankrupted. It is hard to get Pebble2 HR, no support; it is a new product, so we are not aware about possible firmware bugs etc.
Xiaomi has three wristbands - all three closed. It took us 3 weeks to support one of them . With good documentation the estimated time to make our iotool.io extension for specific sensor: a few hours.
I suppose it's because a very small market. Microsoft has decided not to catch users with their bands - it shows us the value of the market for big boys.
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I agree, however there are hundreds of wristbands around from small manufacturers. Every wristband has its own application with rating on Google Play around 2/5. So it is possible to connect it to Android phone. But there is no documentation about comm. protocol. So wristband manufacturer made a bad application which is bad for business, but still don't wish to provide documentation. I think that is a bad decision (don't wish to use stronger words here )

SenLab said:
there are hundreds of wristbands around from small manufacturers. Every wristband has its own application with rating on Google Play around 2/5. So it is possible to connect it to Android phone. But there is no documentation about comm. protocol. So wristband manufacturer made a bad application which is bad for business, but still don't wish to provide documentation.
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Have you tried to contact manufacturers? It seems that another application for their wristband, which is delivered for free, should be interesting enough. But the problem is to find a proper person, who has some motivation for supporting such offers. Most chinese manufacturers are screened with relatively dumb marketing stuff and their internal bureaucracy is horrible. Aliexpress sellers sometime can provide some pieces of documentation, but it's in chinese and not complete. However, googletranslate can help to get some protocol details. Also it is useful to reverse engineer their applications, but it's very time consuming. Another problem here - how to chose a device without any idea about it's sensors quality and even about the presence of some sensors that often are just virtual things and only able to load some trash from internet.
But if you are a paid worker of iotool.io then may be it is possible to convince your boss to spend some money on a serious screening of at least some manufacturers. Some bracelets are very cheap (5$) and in case of presence of a good application the market share can be very big.

Thank you for your help. I'm a CEO of SenLab, maker od IoTool. And believe me, we invested a lot of resources into that. But, there is no real support, firmware change, models change and similar. It is not possible to support this. And, we do not wish to invest into every wristband, but to ask big players, what is in their mind? Some of applications from big and well known providers are rated around 2 on Google Play. No one wish to use them, but big players are stubborn and just follow their route.

SenLab said:
I'm a CEO of SenLab, maker od IoTool. And believe me, we invested a lot of resources into that. But, there is no real support, firmware change, models change and similar. It is not possible to support this.
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In my opinion if you have enough resources then finding a responsible manufacturer is absolutely possible. Of course, it wouldn't be a big company, but there could be a good and cheap product that requires just a better application. However, I don't know your business strategy and may be such approach is not for you.
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And, we do not wish to invest into every wristband, but to ask big players, what is in their mind? Some of applications from big and well known providers are rated around 2 on Google Play. No one wish to use them, but big players are stubborn and just follow their route.
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Big boys work as follows:
They look at the market, they see a successful company, they copy the company's strategy and don't care about anything else. If anybody want to convince big boys to do something then most probably they think the person wants a free lunch and just ignore him. So, you need some connections within the company or you need a well known name for them to listen to you. And it means just one thing - only small and medium sized companies can be targeted by you (if you haven't connections, of course). But you don't want to invest into every wristband, so, there's nobody left for you - big boys won't listen to you and you won't ask some little boys.
Also the logging strategy of iotool.io is not very convenient for many people. People mostly don't want just a logging of some data from some sensors. They want something more useful, like heart rate monitor or calories calculation. Sensor set is just a way to provide the final product - the really needed in real life. Good sensor set can provide better final product, but the task of deciphering of some useful conclusions from logged data is not for the majority of people. So, you need to connect the logged data with people's needs. And while there's no such connection your product will catch only the small market of enthusiast users.

new 2018 phone, but does it Treble?

i understand the concept started in 2017, but for longevity and support, it really should have started with full Treble support.
maybe a few more rounds of hardware design refinement first (like proper usb-c compatibility and complete standard mobile feature set, maybe camera that can swivel front to back if they only put in one, and some way to use the touchscreen without opening the clamshell like maybe i dunno a slider style instead?)
and software refinement (like not including the MTKlogger spyware the FTC scolded BLU and ADUPS about earlier this month) but they get awesome points for their releasing source codes so quickly unlike the usual suspects, and even more bonus points for the linux dual boot as well.
this is all based on the reviews. (edit: and forum posts by users at oesf)
anyway, i'm looking forward to the next gen version of this to replace my CM KK Relay slider finally.

jmichael2497 said:
i understand the concept started in 2017, but for longevity and support, it really should have started with full Treble support.
maybe a few more rounds of hardware design refinement first (like proper usb-c compatibility and complete standard mobile feature set, maybe camera that can swivel front to back if they only put in one, and some way to use the touchscreen without opening the clamshell like maybe i dunno a slider style instead?)
and software refinement (like not including the MTKlogger spyware the FTC scolded BLU and ADUPS about earlier this month) but they get awesome points for their releasing source codes so quickly unlike the usual suspects, and even more bonus points for the linux dual boot as well.
this is all based on the reviews.
anyway, i'm looking forward to the next gen version of this to replace my CM KK Relay slider finally.
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Maybe you should, ummm, try it before jumping to conclusions like you just did. It's a great device.

dimex said:
Maybe you should, ummm, try it before jumping to conclusions like you just did. It's a great device.
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:laugh: that saying does not apply in this situation.
i've already looked through many pictures, read through multiple reviews across the web, read forum posts (here and oesf which has a running list of known issues) from people who have used the product.
basic science: "does it replicate? yes".
anyone that has done sufficient research on a topic will find that others have already performed the same studies and reached the same conclusions, so no need to repeat the process as it has already been verified.
anyway, back to waiting for the next gen version with the first round awkwardness worked out.
meanwhile, the "gpd win 2" that kept getting mentioned in comparison (though not android mobile device) seems kinda interesting. hopefully a "gemini 2" is a similarly notable improvement compared to the first as i'm much more a fan of Sliderrrsss.

jmichael2497 said:
:laugh: that saying does not apply in this situation.
i've already looked through many pictures, read through multiple reviews across the web, read forum posts (here and oesf which has a running list of known issues) from people who have used the product.
basic science: "does it replicate? yes".
anyone that has done sufficient research on a topic will find that others have already performed the same studies and reached the same conclusions, so no need to repeat the process as it has already been verified.
anyway, back to waiting for the next gen version with the first round awkwardness worked out.
meanwhile, the "gpd win 2" that kept getting mentioned in comparison (though not android mobile device) seems kinda interesting. hopefully a "gemini 2" is a similarly notable improvement compared to the first as i'm much more a fan of Sliderrrsss.
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Boy, you sure are a...douche
The GPD Pocket and Win2 are complete crap compared to the Gemini. I couldn't even browse the internet without major slowdowns and stuttering on the Pocket. The CPU is simply too underpowered for anything legitimate.
You're the expert though, keep holding out for the next gen sweetheart.

dimex said:
Boy, you sure are a...douche
The GPD Pocket and Win2 are complete crap compared to the Gemini. I couldn't even browse the internet without major slowdowns and stuttering on the Pocket. The CPU is simply too underpowered for anything legitimate.
You're the expert though, keep holding out for the next gen sweetheart.
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y u mad bro? insert actually applicable saying about insults being the refuge of etc.
it is generally considered common for most tech to not get things perfect on the first iteration, instead pushing alpha or beta quality something out the door that people can see, to get more money, research, field testing, and do it better the next time.
(this is why mission critical businesses tend towards the "i'll wait for sp1 to come out before upgrading the OS" mindset exists)
so if you were personally involved in the production of the device and decided to take offense, then i'm super sorry if your feelings got hurt. but you seem to be in a grumpy mood so i hope you have a good rest of your day though :fingers-crossed:
anyway, i'm gonna point the Relay users to keep an eye on this company, since they look likely to produce a promising mobile replacement (unlike the "gpd win 2", which is the only gpd device i mentioned, as i already stated is not a comparable mobile product, like apples to oranges, laptops to mobiles lolz).
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jmichael2497 said:
y u mad bro? insert actually applicable saying about insults being the refuge of etc.
it is generally considered common for most tech to not get things perfect on the first iteration, instead pushing alpha or beta quality something out the door that people can see, to get more money, research, field testing, and do it better the next time.
(this is why mission critical businesses tend towards the "i'll wait for sp1 to come out before upgrading the OS" mindset exists)
so if you were personally involved in the production of the device and decided to take offense, then i'm super sorry if your feelings got hurt. but you seem to be in a grumpy mood so i hope you have a good rest of your day though :fingers-crossed:
anyway, i'm gonna point the Relay users to keep an eye on this company, since they look likely to produce a promising mobile replacement (unlike the "gps win 2", which is the only gps device i mentioned, as i already stated is not a comparable mobile product, like apples to oranges, laptops to mobiles lolz).
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Like I said, you are the authority on technology. "Keep an eye on this company" everyone, jmichael2497 with 4 posts wants you to.

dimex said:
Like I said, you are the authority on technology. "Keep an eye on this company" everyone, jmichael2497 with 4 posts wants you to.
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quality over quantity, usefulness over post count
:laugh: it is easy enough to read information without adding comment noise like +1 and "me too bro"... like reading a library book without scribbling in the margins (plus it helps avoid "typical internet comments" like yours that discourage intelligent discourse).
"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." - Plato
anyway, enough troll feeding (you must be getting so full it is hard for you to read my post count isn't 4 :silly: ).

Possibly one of the dumbest threads I've seen on XDA in a long time.

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Possibly one of the dumbest threads I've seen on XDA in a long time.
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Gotta love fools with 8 posts and no experience with a device to come in and give expert commentary.

Pebble founder wants to make a small Android phone and needs your help.

Hello everyone long time no see!
I have some very exciting news for you today the dude who made the pebble watch (the first smartwatch) apparently has a lot in common with us and says he wants to make a new compact the size of the iphone 13 mini aka the size of our very own xz1compact !!!
Now the thing is he needs 50.000 interests so he can show to the hardware manufacturer to get it made!
so sign up here on this site https://smallandroidphone.com/ it will tell you where it is a big blue button it will redirect you to another page where you fill in some simple qeustions literally like 10 seconds be a bro and sign up no strings attached i already did it and at the time of typing this there are already over 10.000 people!!! who signed up lets do this !
you can also add suggestions which i took the opportunity to do i said the following
- headphone jack
- sd card support
- sailfish os option !
- no punch hole cam either underdisplay cam or symetrical bezels top and bottom like newer sony's
Read the article from androidauthority for more information here
Pebble founder wants to make a small Android phone and needs your help
A guy who was at the forefront of smartwatch technology wants to make a small Android phone — but he needs your help.
www.androidauthority.com
his site here
https://smallandroidphone.com/
What do you guys think of this ? please let me know in the comments

as of right now there are over 24.000 who signed up i am kinda disappointed
i thought there was more of us and would have hit its targeted of 50k by now.