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So, then, why would anyone buy this?
I can't tether. I can't automatically record all phone calls. I can't file explore.
Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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I like the ads. They're pretty good as an introduction to the platform.
Remember, most people have no clue that WP7 exists and is coming out soon. For us, this stuff is old news but you have to spoon feed consumers. If you jump straight to specific features and hardware, people will miss the point that this is a whole new platform. Once these sorts of basic ads are out and consumers are aware of the new Windows Phone's existence, you build on that and show off features and hardware.
I can already see an ad where the person is flipping through the interface, typing on the screen, and then in the last few seconds, flips out a physical keyboard and types something snarky.
Then some other ones showing off XBL gaming, Zune, etc. So much opportunity here for some pretty awesome ads. The more detailed ads will come in due time. They're just getting their feet wet. Google and Apple have a lot to be afraid of.
You make a good point, and I know this is the early stages as more will come. BUT, I have to be a jack ass and point out this great commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yatSAEqNL7k
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I'd also like to point out how they're branding it. Notice... they're not saying "Windows Phone 7". I have been critical of the naming but I figured a while back that this is how they would brand it and I'm glad to see that they are. Noone cares about the number really. Many people will think it's 1.0. So instead of telling your buddy that you've got a "Windows Phone 7 phone" or something awkward like that the convention will just be to say "I've got a Windows Phone". If they actually know that WM6 existed (many people don't) they may ask "the old one or the new one" and you'd respond "windows phone 7". It's the same as someone saying "I've got an iPhone". They wouldn't say "I've got an iPhone4 phone". Or "I've got an Android 2.2 phone". It's just "Android" or more likely "I have a Droid". Man does Google have their branding all mixed up. I'm surprised this hasn't caused more of a problem than it seems to be. People just call every Android device a "Droid". Just imagine if Verizon didn't launch that ad campaign. Advertising matters, a lot.
Right again, WP7 the name has nothing to do with WM. Windows Phone is brand new, I forgot what the 7 actually means.
Most people I've seen with Androids don't know or just don't care what version they have.
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You make a good point, and I know this is the early stages as more will come. BUT, I have to be a jack ass and point out this great commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yatSAEqNL7k
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUjVY8zRJc
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
I'd love to stick with Microsoft products for mobile devices, but I have requirements since finding out what I can truly do with my Touch Pro 2. Imagine recording every single phone call in and out of this phone. Android doesn't even do that. It's been such a treat to have all that data.
So hopefully by the time I'm ready for a new device, WP7 will be ready to meet the standards.
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Right again, WP7 the name has nothing to do with WM. Windows Phone is brand new, I forgot what the 7 actually means.
Most people I've seen with Androids don't know or just don't care what version they have.
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Yea, they just get confused/annoyed when their friend's phone has a feature that theirs doesn't.
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
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Haha, I agree. Never seen the appeal. The only time I can see it being useful is long distance relationships and people traveling who have kids at home.
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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tbh I don't think that Apple made it look more amazing than years ago, when Video calling was new.
I also haven't seen someone acctually using it more than, let's say once a year. It's really uncommon and not a point worth advertising. Even if WP7 doesn't support it (idk if it does), noones gonna miss it and point it out, except maybe Apple fanboys that think that "FaceTime" is totally awesome just because it's Apples idea
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Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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A lot of good Droid commercials don't show any real phone features either. Unless changing your arm into a robot arm is a feature of a droid, or having circular lines shoot out of your phone .
They just show cool futuristic themes and graphics.
But the commercials do show a "feature" of the phone. They're trying to build an angle for their marketing. The angle/feature being that they want to advertise that you can consume content faster on wp7 and you're not a slave to your phone...whether it's true is irrelevant, but that's the advertising campaign they're pursuing.
Robot arms were for the new keyboard. Lines shooting out of the phone was showing the wifi hotspot capability.
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Robot arms were for the new keyboard. Lines shooting out of the phone was showing the wifi hotspot capability.
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no it wasn't, there is no kb on the droid x...it was a vessel for that phone to come out of (I'm talking about the droid commercial they show in theatres). The commercial had nothing to do with droid other than it appearing at the end. It's just something futuristic and mysterious.
There are lots of droid commercials that don't sell a feature. They just sell the image of droid being advanced, being "scifi".
^oh, I haven't seen one at a theater. My bad.
The one that didn't make sense to me was the Stealth Fighters one. Airplanes dropping boxes on the ground, with Droids in them didn't make sense to me
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^oh, I haven't seen one at a theater. My bad.
The one that didn't make sense to me was the Stealth Fighters one. Airplanes dropping boxes on the ground, with Droids in them didn't make sense to me
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I'm just saying, the point of a commercial is to introduce something memorable and to tie that recognition to a product. It's not an infomercial where you always sell features. It's a 30s effort to make something stick in someone's mind.
Take coca cola commercials...they don't always tell you how good it tastes. They have a lavish commercial and give you the impression that coke brightens your bad day.
Look at Geico...they have 25s of random nonsense with a gecko...then just say the line, "saved money on car insurance".
MS is going for a similar approach...they don't try to prove that wp7 "makes your day easier" they just say it does and try to imply that it is less of a hassle.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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This is a very sad state of affairs tech industry is in. There are so many great technologies out there that disappear without a trace simply because companies can't present them properly to general public. You have to wait for Apple to take the idea, distort it by putting in a walled garden "ecosystem" and make a simple interface that an average Joe can get without getting scared by options, settings and multiple ways of achieving the results.
I can only pray that Apple TV doesn't take off to kill development of DLNA.
Director of windows phone 7 confirmed tethering support will be supported via update, but not at launch...Hope this help....
http://www.wmexperts.com/director-windows-phone-7-confirms-tethering-support
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Director of windows phone 7 confirmed tethering support will be supported via update, but not at launch...Hope this help....
http://www.wmexperts.com/director-windows-phone-7-confirms-tethering-support
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Update: Apparently, Mr. Watson misspoke. According to Paul Thurrot (who was also on the Windows Weekly Podcast), tethering will not be available at launch, but will be a feature added in the future. Thanks monomer!
But ...
http://www.windows7phoneforums.com/news/wp7_tethering_update_12.0.html
Is there any real official solution/status on tethering?
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Update: Apparently, Mr. Watson misspoke. According to Paul Thurrot (who was also on the Windows Weekly Podcast), tethering will not be available at launch, but will be a feature added in the future. Thanks monomer!
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Well I have faith in our community of developers. If MS don't make it so people can tether, eventually one of us will.
I never owned an Xbox and never intend to. PS3 all the way. My question is I would hate having the X Box intergration, avatar, profile details etc as I don't own an X Box and feel it is included and I don't want it.
I hope some time in the future it can be changed to PS3 or WII for other gamers.
No. WP7 is not an open OS, nothing can be replaced or removed.
Sony can make a PS3 hub, but you will not be able to remove the XBox integration.
Sony will launch a new gaming handheld with Android soon, so PS3 integration is coming to Android.
I'm not trying to be rude but that's a bit of a ridiculous question, it's like asking Steve Jobs to put Android apps on Apple TV instead of their own.
No I agree it is a bit of a stupid question but I just wanted to rant
The Live on the console and Live on your phone don't have to be related. If you have it for the xbox, then great, you can integrate it to your phone and have your phone build off of it. If you don't have the Xbox, you can just create an account and every game that you play on your WP7 will count towards your Live account.
It's not like you need have an xbox in order to enjoy your WP7. They can be independent.
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I never owned an Xbox and never intend to. PS3 all the way. My question is I would hate having the X Box intergration, avatar, profile details etc as I don't own an X Box and feel it is included and I don't want it.
I hope some time in the future it can be changed to PS3 or WII for other gamers.
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I know this pulls away from the phone question, but why have you just dismissed xbox? It's so much better at online gaming and on par with single player. Xbox live is simply the best online gaming portal by a massive margin anyone I have known who owns both consoles end up finding the ps3 sat collecting dust or as just a bluray player. I think anyone who has dismissed xbox should take it for another go esp now live is on mobile phones.
Xbox Live is bar none better than any other platform to date. If you have never used or owned an Xbox 360, you should not have any negative opinion, as that just shows how biased you are. And why would MS give Nintendo or Sony the ability to add their own game hub over Xbox Live? That doesn't make any sense.
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Xbox Live is bar none better than any other platform to date. If you have never used or owned an Xbox 360, you should not have any negative opinion, as that just shows how biased you are. And why would MS give Nintendo or Sony the ability to add their own game hub over Xbox Live? That doesn't make any sense.
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Its not that I am biased its just that I already own a next gen games console and have for years - a ps3 and i don't want to spend a money on a second console. I am not a gamer who has multiple consoles. One is enough for me and I have had a psx, ps2 so naturally I chose a ps3. Am sure xbox is great. I just dont intend to get another next gen console. Would rather put the money towards a HD7
You don't need to buy the Xbox in order to enjoy Live on your wp7.
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Its not that I am biased its just that I already own a next gen games console and have for years - a ps3 and i don't want to spend a money on a second console. I am not a gamer who has multiple consoles. One is enough for me and I have had a psx, ps2 so naturally I chose a ps3. Am sure xbox is great. I just dont intend to get another next gen console. Would rather put the money towards a HD7
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Cool. What does this have to do with XBL on the phone?
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Xbox Live is bar none better than any other platform to date. If you have never used or owned an Xbox 360, you should not have any negative opinion, as that just shows how biased you are. And why would MS give Nintendo or Sony the ability to add their own game hub over Xbox Live? That doesn't make any sense.
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thats only a matter of opinion....ive got both... used the xbox online for about a month and when the free subscription ran out i continued to use my ps3 for online purposes. the xbox online service offered nothing extra i required for the fee. and online gaming is only as good as the number of friends you know online to play against... if everyone is on a different platform then its no fun at all! everyone i know plays online on their ps3 and keeps their xbox for playing backups lol.
its not really a solution to suggest to someone that they abandon their games console which they might of had for years and built up a substantial games library. and then purchase a whole new system and start afresh just so they can take advantage of an application on a mobile phone! lol.
i can see the need for a ps3 (or wii) app but its also obvious that microsoft arent going to supply it integrated with their shiny new phone operating system from the offset. it would be interesting if sony or someone develops their own application. but i think it will be as someone already suggested...if an app does appear it will be on android.
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its not really a solution to suggest to someone that they abandon their games console which they might of had for years and built up a substantial games library. and then purchase a whole new system and start afresh just so they can take advantage of an application on a mobile phone! lol.
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XBL on WP7, ignoring the console altogether, is the best mobile online gaming experience all on it's own. The only thing close is Game Center on iPhone and XBL for WP7 easily takes the cake. While owning an Xbox would potentially enhance this further, it is by no means necessary.
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I never owned an Xbox and never intend to. PS3 all the way. My question is I would hate having the X Box intergration, avatar, profile details etc as I don't own an X Box and feel it is included and I don't want it.
I hope some time in the future it can be changed to PS3 or WII for other gamers.
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I also hate Xbox but remember wp7 is a microsoft product same as Xbox that is why you have no choice may be sonyericsson will add ps3 support
Sony ericson? A division of sony? Wonder if they'll add xbl support ;p
Do you realize how dumb that sounds. Anyways I'd buy a Wii over a PS3 if I had to do it over again. Just got a 360 a couple weeks ago tho, and liking it.
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XBL on WP7, ignoring the console altogether, is the best mobile online gaming experience all on it's own. The only thing close is Game Center on iPhone and XBL for WP7 easily takes the cake. While owning an Xbox would potentially enhance this further, it is by no means necessary.
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Actually playing real time online or local multiplayer games live, IOS pawns every mobile OS.
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Actually playing real time online or local multiplayer games live, IOS pawns every mobile OS.
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Well yea because it's not even possible in WP7, yet. But that's not really XBL. Once MS adds sockets support to WP7, it will take the crown in every facet.
real time multiplayer games are comning sometime early to mid next year.
And when its on XBL, multiplayer experience has to be great.
You say that you are not biased but:
"I never owned an Xbox and never intend to. PS3 all the way."
That sounds pretty close-minded and biased. And the question is silly. Why not use Bing as the default search engine on a Google phone?
Now, the decision is by no means one that hinders the phone. XBL is the best online gaming service out there. So, unlike the decision to use Bing as the only search engine in WP7, XBL is the best available.
I sold my old elite cuz I needed the money. I would like to get one back and a Windows Phone. I may seem like a Microsoft fool, but I actually prefer the Wii and Motorola Phones. Maybe Moto will make a Q WP7
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You say that you are not biased but:
"I never owned an Xbox and never intend to. PS3 all the way."
That sounds pretty close-minded and biased. And the question is silly. Why not use Bing as the default search engine on a Google phone?
Now, the decision is by no means one that hinders the phone. XBL is the best online gaming service out there. So, unlike the decision to use Bing as the only search engine in WP7, XBL is the best available.
I sold my old elite cuz I needed the money. I would like to get one back and a Windows Phone. I may seem like a Microsoft fool, but I actually prefer the Wii and Motorola Phones. Maybe Moto will make a Q WP7
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Its pretty weird. MSFT first sues Motorola and then the next day you hear that MSFT and MOTO might be collaborating on a WP7 device.
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real time multiplayer games are comning sometime early to mid next year.
And when its on XBL, multiplayer experience has to be great.
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By that time, there will be another iphone, and a ton more actually live games.
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Its pretty weird. MSFT first sues Motorola and then the next day you hear that MSFT and MOTO might be collaborating on a WP7 device.
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Same thing happened with HTC. Old business tactic. Can't say that I blame Microsoft though.
Microsoft seem to be putting their software onto apples phone, http://wmpoweruser.com/how-to-alienate-your-customers-101/
whats next microsoft office on iOS if this continues then there will be on reason to get a wp7 device, after all, the iphone has a better gpu, far more memory (i live in the uk so 16gb is the max 8gb is the norm) so why would i want to buy a wp7 device again if MS starts doing this???
Because they're a software company?
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Microsoft seem to be putting their software onto apples phone, http://wmpoweruser.com/how-to-alienate-your-customers-101/
whats next microsoft office on iOS if this continues then there will be on reason to get a wp7 device, after all, the iphone has a better gpu, far more memory (i live in the uk so 16gb is the max 8gb is the norm) so why would i want to buy a wp7 device again if MS starts doing this???
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why is office on mac os?
why should they not?
WP7 has a different user experience and i like it much more than the android/ios experience....wp7 wouldn`t a good plattform if only the apps are the pros for it.
And why not give iOS users possibility to like office and maybe consider wp7 for their next phone then?
Well, might never happen, cause most applers stay applers...
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Geez. Why should you buy a WP7 rather than iPhone? Because the user experience between the two devices are completely different.
Obviously apps are going to be cross platform, Microsoft is after all a software company. Now, one could argue that they should perhaps do what Google does - and wait with releasing their apps on other platforms until they absolutely have to, but this is the iPhone we are talking about - they have to.
Good Point bro!!!
And because in the futur all softwares will be able to run all platform.
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why is office on mac os?
why should they not?
WP7 has a different user experience and i like it much more than the android/ios experience....wp7 wouldn`t a good plattform if only the apps are the pros for it.
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Why is there iTunes Windows? It is slow by the way.
I am sure that companies do this so that user can have options and maybe pick the companies OS next time.
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Because they're a software company?
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
Keep in mind that the software developed for the iPhone was a separate team from those working on Wp7.
Also, if iphone users start to use a bunch of microsoft apps, maybe they will think "maybe I should be using a microsoft phone" and then buy a windows phone. Sure it could go the other way as well... but I'm an optimist.
To make money, as what pretty much most if not all paid apps are for.
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.
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Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.
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is all about the market share, and profit.
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Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.
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But porting apps over to iOS is not? How come they can't figure out that app exclusivity also drives phone sales.
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But porting apps over to iOS is not? How come they can't figure out that app exclusivity also drives phone sales.
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Because console games are complicated and require certain components to work. Every smartphone uses the same SoC set no matter what OS they run whether it would be snapdragon, omap, a4, etc. The consoles are made differently, the 360 with tri-cores and the ps3 uses something really confusing. Than again, Final Fantasy did appear on the Xbox, but Sony didn't exclusive rights to that game.
I would imagine that it is miles easier for porting apps, or maybe they want to do something like having an app on a certain phone will just run better as oppose to something not native.
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And why not give iOS users possibility to like office and maybe consider wp7 for their next phone then?
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I didn't . Don't get me wrong, I loved my iPhone (until Apple butchered it with iOS 4), but when I went to go snag an iPhone 4 and got to play with it side by side with the Samsung Focus, the choice was clear--Focus is a MUCH nicer device, with a nicer screen and of course, Windows Phone 7 itself--which makes iOS look antiquated and stale.
That said, I also have a 2010 Macbook Pro 13" which I got purely so I can submit apps to the iOS store, but I can't stand Mac OSX, it's a ****in' turd. So I'm glad the laptop runs Windows 7 nicely enough, LOL.
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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MS also makes the hardware for the XBOX. And they sold the hardware at a loss. Their revenue model was dependent on software attach rates being high on the console. People often choose game consoles based on exclusive games. MS could spend millions marketing Halo because they know that the reason people buy XBOX consoles is so that they could play awesome games. Period. Everything else the XBOX does is just gravy.
People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.
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People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.
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If you are using a smartphone for a single app, than you need to rethink.
I heard that you can get Bing on Android devices as well, although not many people actually want it (seeing that it is a Google phone). I think putting Microsoft software on other OS' is not a bad idea. After all, you see Microsoft everywhere.
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MS also makes the hardware for the XBOX. And they sold the hardware at a loss. Their revenue model was dependent on software attach rates being high on the console. People often choose game consoles based on exclusive games. MS could spend millions marketing Halo because they know that the reason people buy XBOX consoles is so that they could play awesome games. Period. Everything else the XBOX does is just gravy.
People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.
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You comment doesn't make any sense. They sell hardware at a loss and make money from games. Keeping Xbox exclusives would make sense if they made money from the hardware. Since they make money from the games, they should be doing everything to port games to other platforms as well.
Thing is, Microsoft is the top player in the console industry - so they don't have to port games to other platforms. The increase in revenue would likely be offset by the increase in development cost to support the PS3 and/or Wii. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft Game Studio titles do drive console sales (I know plenty of people who have bought an Xbox 360 purely because of Halo for example); higher console sales lead to higher revenue (even if they did initially sell hardware at a loss) as people pay for the XBL Gold service, spend money in the Xbox marketplace and purchase Xbox 360 games (for which MS get's a license fee no matter if it's an in-house title or not).
This is pretty much how the printer/ink/toner industry or coffee-pod industry works also. They sell the hardware at little to no profit but you are tied in to buying their ink/toner or coffee-pods for the lifetime of the product. It's actually cheaper for me to purchase a new CLP every so often than it is to buy new toner - when I then sell the old printer online I more or less come out at zero cost.
In the smartphone sector, Apple is the king of the hill and it only makes sense to have their software available. Apps do not drive phone sales; UX (User eXperience) does. Keeping a title exclusive to WP7 makes no sense at all. At the same time, it does not make sense (business wise) to support all possible smartphone platforms out there, only iOS and Android has a valuable marketplace (app wise) so those are the platforms to support - this is why Google hasn't released their apps as official WP7 clients thus far; Windows Phone 7 doesn't have a big enough marketshare that it pays for them to spend development dollars on it. Once the OS gains momentum (if it does) Google will rather quickly release what they have to offer.
All said, I do agree it's painful when "better" software appears for the iPhone rather than their own OS, WP7, but this goes back to the fact Microsoft are so large. There is no single person making decisions, they have COO's and project managers en masse, often trying to out-do eachother or vote other projects down as they step on their own projects toes. Microsoft is filled to the brim with highly competent people, but they operate like a bureaucracy. Ask anyone who's ever worked there and they'll all more or less tell the same story - the layers of hierarchy is killing creative output.
How many times has Microsoft not come out with killer products which has failed miserably in the marketplace because upper management hasn't seen or understood the possibility. Take Media Center for example, it has given the best UX for DVRs for years - still, they never took it to the next level and now it's almost too late. With a lot of luck their embedded Media Center's showcased (in a back-room no less?!) at CES may make a dent in the market, but it's highly unlikely as they missed the boat. GoogleTV, AppleTV, Boxee and a whole lot of other players are now ruling the roost.
That's exactly what they did with the mobile sector also - they had great ideas and were the top players years ago. But they became complacent and stopped innovating. Then other players came along and completely killed them; what was WM's marketshare last year? How much of that was made up of HD2 sales which were re-flashed with Android?
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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This is off topic but why would you want to port Halo to the PS3? Halo is more aimed at muliplayer and as everyone knows Playstation sucks at on-line gaming.
http://m.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/apple-granted-patent-on-using-apps-during-calls/17407
Title says it all. This is getting out of control.
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The people I'm upset are are the idiots granting the patents
Something I've been able to do since I've had the blackberry.
All this **** they are patenting is so trivial to technology that I think other companies never bothered. Soon enough they will patent pooping with a smart phone and we'll all be doomed.
Other articles clearly state it's the exact arrangement of techniques and interface that would be defensible, not merely multitasking. Someone would have to copy pretty much the exact full layout and procedure for it, not merely multitasking. Not reason to get worried beyond Apple likely going after anyone who's copied their interface too tightly. So outside of maybe Meizu, no major worries.
It's frigging ridiculous with all these companies suing each other. Half the time they are partners anyway-for example, Samsung supplies chips for the ipad-so I think a lot of this is driven by lawyers, who are the only ones who always win regardless of how the rulings go.
So yet again Apple takes something everyone has been doing for a long time and slaps a patent on it.
Hold down something to bring up a menu, select the program/function, switch. Repeat to return to previous or different program.
Everybody take a deep breath this isn't what you think it is...
It is actually for changing the interface of the app you are using while in a call (adding a notification bar at the top), not just changing to an app while in a call.
From what I understand is that Android doesn't have to even think about this since you can see the notification bar almost all the time and is a part of the OS no the App anyway and that's what Android generally uses.
Really what Apple patented it was the ability to screw with an app's interface while on a call.
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Everybody take a deep breath this isn't what you think it is...
Really what Apple patented it was the ability to screw with an app's interface while on a call.
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Exactly, from the article:
"modifying the corresponding application user interface to include a switch application icon that is not displayed in the corresponding application user interface when there is no ongoing phone call"
Either display the switch icon outside of the second UI or have the second UI include the switch icon all the time - at least two ways to design around this patent, and as others have said unless the interface is copied exactly, there shouldn't be any issues... I hate it when articles summarize an issued patent using the broadest interpretation possible based on some part of the title...
I like to browse or use apps while on a call, by simply hitting the home button. Apple is specifically doing this to go after android and the companies who make android phones. We should be worried and oppose.
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I like to browse or use apps while on a call, by simply hitting the home button. Apple is specifically doing this to go after android and the companies who make android phones. We should be worried and oppose.
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If that were the case, their patent would reflect that. It doesn't. It's nothing like how Android does it.
Just like the patent they got on being able to tap on a phone number from an email message and dial it. I was able to do that with my Treo well before the iPhone was even a glimmer in Steve's eyes.
It's just stupid they are getting these. I thought any prior work voids these things?
They call this one the 'we finally figured out how to do this too!' patent.
Time for google go bust out some moto patents and force apple to remove cellphone functionality from the iphone.
'youre a barista... you bariste for a living...' love that commercial...
If it's that easy to get patents, maybe Google should play Apples silly game and put a patent on answering the phone.
Like I said innoff topic, its like Coke suing Pepsi for using carbonated water, and Coke winning. When carbonated drinks were around before both products were ever produced. Epic fail with this patent system. Its lost its purpose.
When the patent office has a display honoring Steve Jobs, obviously impartiality does not exist.
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Good one! But true! Im losing respect for apple in general. They arent really all that innovative. They're kinda like P Diddy, they just remix tech instead of creating new!
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NickDG said:
Just like the patent they got on being able to tap on a phone number from an email message and dial it. I was able to do that with my Treo well before the iPhone was even a glimmer in Steve's eyes.
It's just stupid they are getting these. I thought any prior work voids these things?
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The patent in question was filed by Apple in 1996, before your Treo was a glimmer in Handspring's eyes. I made the same point you did elsewhere and got corrected. The patent's age makes it valid, but others have pointed out it should still count as an obvious function.
Apple so badly wants to be the best they're trying to cripple the competition. Apple and the fanboys claim to be "best in the world", but they're trying to be #1 by default instead of #1 by design. If you're the best prove it, don't cry to the teacher saying that someone else is stealing your science project. Buncha damn crybaby apple fanboys. I still think it's funny that they're not messing with google, just the hardware manufacturers.
I still don't understand why apple is getting away with the drop down notification, clearly an android feature. Im afraid that Apple might try and patent that as well if Google sits on their hands.
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I still don't understand why apple is getting away with the drop down notification, clearly an android feature. Im afraid that Apple might try and patent that as well if Google sits on their hands.
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Can Google even patent an open source project. Google has open sourced Android, Apple could literally rip off the whole OS.
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Before I give my opinion, I must admit that my opinions may not hold true legally. I know little more than DMV laws. Nor am I a tech expert, insider or historian. I will be wrong on some facts, but I believe that my overall analysis will stand true.
Apple isn't really hitting Google as hard as some may think.
Google and apple are 2 forces that have an inverse success relationship. This we all know. They compete over the same market. This was from day 1, heck, even before then (depending on how you judge when day 1 was).
This is a fact that hasn't gone unseen to them both. They choose 2 tactics to deal with that issue. Apple chose to gain fame and sales through marketing, and got patents on all that's under the sun. A tactic that may look ugly, but money doesn't care.
Google, on the other hand, doesn't look perfect either. They gave ALL the freedom to developers, and opened the platform up. This protects them from apple, to a degree, because they aren't accountable for the actions of others. This gave their platform an advantage over the legal system and the rights of others.
I dislike apple, and like google, but that's not worth a thing. Google's tactics are healthier towards the market. Apple kills development... Outside apple itself.
The thing is, apple can continue to harm the android platform, and never kill it, ever. This is because android is open, and devs and manufacturers will always adjust.
Google, on the other hand, only needs one hit on ios, One injunction, and apple is dead in the water. Apple has, in many senses, only one device (the iphone and ipad are not that different). If they can stop the iphone OR the ipad, they don't need to settle, they can keep devices off the market for weeks, months or even permanently (if it's a hardware issue).
Keep in mind that most apple devices are produced BEFORE THE FIRST PIECE IS SOLD. So once google stops a device, apple's sales stop for a year (or so). apple can throw all what it made in the sea, or ship them overseas.
Also keep in mind, that most development and it's financial backing (as in app sales), is within US borders. This means IOS will effectively die.
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What's hard to believe, is that both parties needed the existence of each other. In this case, each of them needed a competitor (though they each wanted the bigger piece of the pie). Economics says that competition creates demand, and in some cases vice versa. Ex: look at Pepsi and coke. They gained by competing, through keeping the other soda manufacturers out. The war between these two tech giants helped them sell devices.
Part of the reason that the current situation got so ugly, is that the market has a new competitor, a crappy one too (apple and Google's wet dream). Microsoft has taken apple's closed stance. This allows for the existence of google, not apple, as it is a more direct competition with the latter. Microsoft also gains if it remains in the market with Android, even as a weaker party, because it gets so much money off most android manufacturers (through licensing settlements) .
This whole situation is a move to drive apple out of the market. Apple's is clawing everyone cause it knows that it's being choked. Apple will not hold back any card that will keep it alive, even suing a search engine for searching for stuff.
THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING.
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If Google gets that patent for the notification center then apple will be surely in the cesspool.
It's all been dramatized to elicit blog clicks. Nothing will be the end or death or ruin of either of them, they'll just posture enough and setup a convincing enough legal threat by building precedent with these little cases until they're forced into some sort of cross licensing deal. It's business, not politics, or religion. Don't believe the hype.
Well patent for notification center will be an exact stop point for Apple because they have only few devices that uses same OS. It's not the same as Android where one condition applies to a minority of devices.
Apple is destined to die anyway. Their biggest innovation in the last few years was providing more density to their devices as I've said in another thread.
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Apple is destined to die anyway. Their biggest innovation in the last few years was providing more density to their devices as I've said in another thread.
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Apple's not going anywhere. Part of their genius is convincing their idiot users that the Apple logo is all the innovation they need to look for.
1cewolf said:
Apple's not going anywhere. Part of their genius is convincing their idiot users that the Apple logo is all the innovation they need to look for.
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And that is the core of apple. Misleading when they use the full shiny apple when in reality it should be a picture of a rotten core.
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Google just being quite. thats all. They wanted all the crApple and its user just use their Google product only. If only they dont have that, Apple would be long gone. Most technology used in Apple, are from Google(i think so...). and if Samsung, HTC and others join forces and stating each of their patent used by Apple, its done. the thing is, other companies actually wanted a healthy competition, which is totally different than how Apple see it, cuz they are out of ideas and forgot how to innovate!
I have yet to understand why Google hasn't sued apple back. For example, one of apples newest features is from android. The feature in which when you receive a call you can reply back with a text stating "i am driving" for instance. Meanwhile, the apple notification Center was biggest steal ever. Finally, they sued amazon for calling their store the App store. App store is just to generic they honestly can't have a patent on that....
It is as if i sued a grocery store because i have a patent on the word grocery store so they can't call themselves grocery store.
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Google just being quite. thats all. They wanted all the crApple and its user just use their Google product only. If only they dont have that, Apple would be long gone. Most technology used in Apple, are from Google(i think so...). and if Samsung, HTC and others join forces and stating each of their patent used by Apple, its done. the thing is, other companies actually wanted a healthy competition, which is totally different than how Apple see it, cuz they are out of ideas and forgot how to innovate!
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the idea of joining forces may seem childish to some, but a quick look at the Rockstar Consortium should change their minds. The problem with that idea is that apple is not their #1 competitor, other android manufacturers are. Google is the only party that can lead a case against apple (on software at least), and Google has been holding back since the start.
My guess is that, that's about to change
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I still have some hope left in me about the next generations will be smarter than the current zombie-like society.
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I still have some hope left in me about the next generations will be smarter than the current zombie-like society.
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I don't. A co-worker of mine has a college aged daughter who went to an orientation where they were doing some kind of ice breaker game. Anyway, the student gathered around in a circle and they would ask these student something and depending on the answer they would step in the circle. So they asked "whoever didn't have an iPhone step in the circle" and she was the only one to step inside. She felt so bad she's going to buy an iPhone just to be like everyone else. Peer pressure at it's finest
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I don't. A co-worker of mine has a college aged daughter who went to an orientation where they were doing some kind of ice breaker game. Anyway, the student gathered around in a circle and they would ask these student something and depending on the answer they would step in the circle. So they asked "whoever didn't have an iPhone step in the circle" and she was the only one to step inside. She felt so bad she's going to buy an iPhone just to be like everyone else. Peer pressure at it's finest
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Bet she comes back to the light.
butter and jelly please...
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If Google gets that patent for the notification center then apple will be surely in the cesspool.
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At this rate apple will file for it and get it
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Geo411m said:
I don't. A co-worker of mine has a college aged daughter who went to an orientation where they were doing some kind of ice breaker game. Anyway, the student gathered around in a circle and they would ask these student something and depending on the answer they would step in the circle. So they asked "whoever didn't have an iPhone step in the circle" and she was the only one to step inside. She felt so bad she's going to buy an iPhone just to be like everyone else. Peer pressure at it's finest
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Yeah two of my gf's ladies friends only bought iPhones because "everyone has one" I lol'ed and said well more people have android. Then the most painful thing I have done with a phone and that's including rooting. I had to set a mp3 as ringtone for one of her friends iphone.....dear god I didn't think I was going to be able to do it
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Yeah two of my gf's ladies friends only bought iPhones because "everyone has one" I lol'ed and said well more people have android. Then the most painful thing I have done with a phone and that's including rooting. I had to set a mp3 as ringtone for one of her friends iphone.....dear god I didn't think I was going to be able to do it
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Yes adding media outside of iTunes sucks. And god forbid you have to use a different computer than the one the iPhone was originally synced on.
i agree with many points. but in my opinion google isn´t so much interested in producing and selling mobile phones. it´s more to keep people related to google itself. the search, email, chat, google+ etc... and i think there´s much more. the accounts and usage of them are important for google itself. the hardware developers samsung htc etc... they sell phones to make money with hardware, google with android and google products. i think android would be enough for supply and demand, because that´s the competition of the hardware-manufacturers (samsung, htc, etc...). i think the mainreasons is the market to keep android alive. as u see with nexus7, google isn´t interested in selling hardware, just to get their software sold. 200$ isn´t much for the hardware. google wants to sell the hardware a) to get as many people to google b) to ace apple out of the market. google makes money with selling software over their market. and with the new market, tv, movies and more. on the other hand, if more people get android, less will stay with apple.
may be, google will become monopolist on the market. dunno, dislike apple and me as customer, i profit from google products. as in op, the policy is more friendly of google than apple.
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Anthonok said:
At this rate apple will file for it and get it
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One would hope our patent system isn't so broken that Apple could file now and get it before Google who filed for it years ago.
adrynalyne said:
One would hope our patent system isn't so broken that Apple could file now and get it before Google who filed for it years ago.
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Money goes a long way.
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Money goes a long way.
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That may be, but that sort of blatant corruption would be very visible.
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That may be, but that sort of blatant corruption would be very visible.
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They just got the patent for water damage detection and the shape of the macbook air... aka just a thin "wedge" shape... and something extremely similar to Google glass.
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