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[Q] Nubile question about Nandroid Backup

What is the point of a nandroid backup?
Ive flashed many roms since coming here, and have backed up my Nandroid a few times, but I have no clue what the backups are to be used for.
Am I right in assuming that its a backup of all the internal memory? Such that say I was on Rom Y, I nandroid backup, then full wipe and flash Rom Z, if Z sucks I can just flash Y, and restore the backup and my phone is completely back to where it was before the process? Is that the purpose?
Ive finally gotten tired of setting up my homescreens/widgets/programs everytime I flash a new rom. So I wondered if Nandroid backups could help alleviate some of that.
Thanks.

massivebasset said:
What is the point of a nandroid backup?
Ive flashed many roms since coming here, and have backed up my Nandroid a few times, but I have no clue what the backups are to be used for.
Am I right in assuming that its a backup of all the internal memory? Such that say I was on Rom Y, I nandroid backup, then full wipe and flash Rom Z, if Z sucks I can just flash Y, and restore the backup and my phone is completely back to where it was before the process? Is that the purpose?
Ive finally gotten tired of setting up my homescreens/widgets/programs everytime I flash a new rom. So I wondered if Nandroid backups could help alleviate some of that.
Thanks.
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with the current lack of brain power to make a good joke at your topic line about young attractive nandroid backups, ill give you a straight answer.
Yes. your assumption on what they do is correct. however you cant use them to backup homescreen stuffs and move them to a new rom.
im not sure what you can use for that but theres probably something out there for that.

nenn said:
with the current lack of brain power to make a good joke at your topic line about young attractive nandroid backups, ill give you a straight answer.
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Thats why I post my grammatically terrible questions in the mornings!
Thanks for the response, I assumed a backup for Y wouldnt work for Z, but if it at least can get me back to Y seamlessly, thats something.
nenn said:
im not sure what you can use for that but theres probably something out there for that.
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I use LauncherPro, which has a backup, titanium for programs, and apps organizer to make it as painless as possible, but theres still some annoyance in getting it all perfect (Widgets for instance dont really back up with Launcher Pro).

the other purpose is as a fail safe. if something goes majorly wrong. you have a stable safe back up that will get you running again.

MyBackup from the market has the ability to save home screen settings. Combined with Titanium Backup, it is a great way to move apps and data to new ROMs. Just be sure to not restore system settings as that will screw up your new ROM.
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[Q] Removed unwanted apps, Now What??

Hello and happy holidays to everyone.
I am running VaelPak 3.0 and have removed some unwanted apps that I don't use/need.
If I flash an updated version of the ROM, I will get all these apps back. My question is, is there a way I can save my phone's image as it is now so that I do not have to remove those apps manually again the next time?
Any advice will be highly appreciated.

cant you just backup your nand??
or use titanium backup..

xtrubambinoxpr said:
cant you just backup your nand??
or use titanium backup..
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I do nand backups, but haven't restored them yet.
Won't it just put the old apps (backed up apps) back in place and not delete the new apps that the updated ROM added?
Thanks,

i removed all the app i didnt want with titanium back up THEN did a nand backup and it restored from the point i was (without the things i wanted) so i guess you can do that..
just take the nand backup you already have and save that backup on your comp in case something ever happens..
then do another one with the corrections and updates you did and that the one without all the bulk..
thats what i did..

xtrubambinoxpr said:
i removed all the app i didnt want with titanium back up THEN did a nand backup and it restored from the point i was (without the things i wanted) so i guess you can do that..
just take the nand backup you already have and save that backup on your comp in case something ever happens..
then do another one with the corrections and updates you did and that the one without all the bulk..
thats what i did..
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I will try that and update the post on how it works out.
Thanks.

They will come back forget doing nands or titanium that's the hard way. Just get an app that allows you to remove apps from your phone. I use this simple app called root manager its easy as pie and I just remove what I don't want again. Titanium can also do this I think but its not user friendly for me lol
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yea titanium confused me at first too.. a little to complicated and still is..
i was just saying if u wanted to do the nand backup of your new and improved system its easier..
and since we on the topic of backups and removal..
any apps that can backup ALL apps and data and restore them because im about to unroot to root using Toast method so i have nand unlocked..

while I haven't tried this...so try at your own risk. In the .zip file, clean out everything you don't want and leave only the stuff you want new, or updated. That SHOULD keep them from installing to the phone when flashing. once those are gone, just flash like normal.

topdawgn8 said:
while I haven't tried this...so try at your own risk. In the .zip file, clean out everything you don't want and leave only the stuff you want new, or updated. That SHOULD keep them from installing to the phone when flashing. once those are gone, just flash like normal.
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Isn't the file signed? I will have to sign it again, right?
I think I will just write a script and run it after flashing a new ROM every time.
Thanks,

I don't know if it would remove the signature or not...worth a try. Let me look real quick. there's already a tool out for signing files...at least it would save you some key strokes.
edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=794132&highlight=sign+files

Best way to make a full 100% backup of phone ?

Hi guys .. I have had my Desire Z for a little while and I want to play around with ROMs now ... I am looking for a way to make a *full* backup of the phone .. That means the OS itself, all its settings (alarms, personalization stuff, stored passwords, installed apps, etc ..), all application and personal data (both on ROM and SD card), etc ...
That is, one backup that when restored, returns the complete phone including all its settings and data to the state the phone was in when the backup was created ..
Now there are two Market tools I've found that claim to do something similar: My Backup Pro and Titanium Backup, and I also hear that ClockWorkMod can create backups ...
But I don't know if these tools backup *everything* like I want, so any advice given here would be really appreciated ..

Ok, the only way to make a 100% backup is when you are rooted.
When you are rooted you can use titanium backup to back up all your apps, data & settings. Then when you install a new ROM you can easily restore everything.
The back up you do in CWM is called a nandroid and this backs up your entire ROM including apps, data & settings. as soon as you are rooted you will want to do this so you have a back up of your stock ROM incase anything goes wrong and you need to get your stock ROM easily.
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cjward23 said:
Ok, the only way to make a 100% backup is when you are rooted.
When you are rooted you can use titanium backup to back up all your apps, data & settings. Then when you install a new ROM you can easily restore everything.
The back up you do in CWM is called a nandroid and this backs up your entire ROM including apps, data & settings. as soon as you are rooted you will want to do this so you have a back up of your stock ROM incase anything goes wrong and you need to get your stock ROM easily.
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Ok thanks for that advice ...
So assuming my phone is rooted (it isn't now but I will do it once this issue is resolved), which method is better for me which backs up *everything* (stock OS, personal data, app data, media, settings, SD card stuff, etc ..) ? CWM or Titanium Backup ?
I have heard that CWM doesn't backup everything .. that it leaves some stuff out (not exactly sure what this is though) .. :/

ahmadka said:
Ok thanks for that advice ...
So assuming my phone is rooted (it isn't now but I will do it once this issue is resolved), which method is better for me which backs up *everything* (stock OS, personal data, app data, media, settings, SD card stuff, etc ..) ? CWM or Titanium Backup ?
I have heard that CWM doesn't backup everything .. that it leaves some stuff out (not exactly sure what this is though) .. :/
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never ever ever use TiBU for backing up anything other than downloaded apps. (imo, some people may disagree, but I have never had success with TiBU outside of saving a few downloaded apps... and even then it seems to be hit or miss for me)
CWM is the best option for creating a full backup. when you restore a nandroid backup, it's like going back in time... everything is exactly as it was when that backup was created.

pmcqueen said:
never ever ever use TiBU for backing up anything other than downloaded apps. (imo, some people may disagree, but I have never had success with TiBU outside of saving a few downloaded apps... and even then it seems to be hit or miss for me)
CWM is the best option for creating a full backup. when you restore a nandroid backup, it's like going back in time... everything is exactly as it was when that backup was created.
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Hmm ... Are you absolutely sure that CWM backs up everything ? That is, the stock ROM, all my android's settings, sms, contacts, emails, list of apps installed, app data, my personal data (photos, videos, music, documents, etc ..) ? And does it also backup data from both the built-in memory and stuff on the SD card ?
Reason why I ask this is because this afternoon I came across a thread (can't seem to find it now) where somebody said CWM leaves some stuff out in backing up and then somebody else suggested using Titanium Backup ...
So I want to proceed with CWM only if you're dead sure that it backs up *everyyyyyythinggggg* ...
Btw, I don't mean to question to knowledge, I just want to be sure, thats all

cjward23 said:
Ok, the only way to make a 100% backup is when you are rooted.
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+1
Root + Titanium Backup.

How can we back up the stock rom?? Cwm will not be present on the stock rom. So how?
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mmb_z said:
+1
Root + Titanium Backup.
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Conflicting statements people .. :/
CWM or titanium backup ?
Btw, does titanium backup also backup the stock OS/ROM ?

vikraam said:
How can we back up the stock rom?? Cwm will not be present on the stock rom. So how?
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When you root you will still be using your stock ROM, you then back up your stock rooted ROM. There is no way to back up an unrooted ROM.
Unrooted stock ROM's are available in the form of an official RUU most of which you will find if you read the stickies in the development section of the forums.
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ahmadka said:
Conflicting statements people .. :/
CWM or titanium backup ?
Btw, does titanium backup also backup the stock OS/ROM ?
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Titanium will not back up the os, you can use to back up all of the system apps and data. But as a previous poster said this is not good a good idea as restoring them tends to be problematic.
And don't worry about your sdcard flashing roms will not affect any data on your sdcard.
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mmb_z said:
+1
Root + Titanium Backup.
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ahmadka said:
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the only thing you could theoretically lose are photos, videos, etc that are stored on the sdcard... but this would only happen if you deleted/formatted the sd card. otherwise, they just move with you from rom to rom.
I don't know what people think titanium backup is for, but seriously... it's not as magnificent as it is commonly made out to be. its only real use is restoring stuff from /data (ie apps and settings). even then, it is known to be problematic. I have used it in the past but I finally got sick of it when I realized that half of the time I used it to backup/restore it ended up doing more harm than good.
CWM is the best option for making a full backup of EVERYTHING on your phone (remember, your sd card is not part of your phone... it doesn't get backed up/restored via CWM). restoring a CWM backup will revert your phone to the exact state it was in at the time of the backup.

I used titanium backup and it worked for everything. Even backed the stuff up to my PC.
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hardy1906 said:
I used titanium backup and it worked for everything. Even backed the stuff up to my PC.
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that's awesome, but you will encounter problems with Ti backup if you try to restore anything from /system after installing a new rom. if you've come from one aosp rom to another, you might get lucky and not have any trouble (especially if they are a similar flavor of aosp), but if you try to restore anything from a sense rom's /system to an aosp rom's /system, or vice versa, you're in for a lot of force closing and general bass-ackwardness.
op: the BEST way is a nandroid backup. if you try and restore titanium backup apps and settings over whichever rom you've installed, you can almost guarantee something will be broken... just do it the right way and do a nandroid backup via CWM and save yourself the trouble.

Guys I forgot to mention, my phone is NOT currently rooted (Yes I realize I should have mentioned this in the first post) .. so what can I use now to backup everything like I want ?

ahmadka said:
Guys I forgot to mention, my phone is NOT currently rooted (Yes I realize I should have mentioned this in the first post) .. so what can I use now to backup everything like I want ?
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Not much really, there are apps available to back up sms and contacts will be synced to Google.

todo backup by easeus...free too. works great
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1) Root.
2) Install CWM Recovery.
3) Nandroid.
There's your backup.

How do you guys do backups when you try out different roms? Am I bound to lose scores and settings in games and apps every time i change rom?
(sorry for what may be a stupid question, but i understood the answers given earlier that making a Nandroid recovery will also recover the rom at the time of the backup not just apps and settings)

glx-rider said:
How do you guys do backups when you try out different roms? Am I bound to lose scores and settings in games and apps every time i change rom?
(sorry for what may be a stupid question, but i understood the answers given earlier that making a Nandroid recovery will also recover the rom at the time of the backup not just apps and settings)
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A nandroid back does a complete back of system, apps, data, and settings. When you restore a nandroid your phone will be restored to the exact point it was at before you preformed the nandroid.
To back up apps and data, you will need to use an app like titanium backup. you then can restore apps and data, including game save and scores after you flash a new rom.
But it is not advised to back up and restore system data and settings with titanium back up

before i rooted i took backups whit MyBackup.
after you get rooted, take Clean CWM backup of your phone.
when you are up and running on a custom rom, take CWM backup, and back up downloaded apps whit Titanium backup.
If you are going from sense rom to sense rom, you dont necessaryli need to wipe your data and apps, so you don't have to restore anything. If you are going for completely different rom, you need wipe everything, after you are running in new rom, you cant get just the apps from cwm backup, it would restore your old rom too, so now restore your apps and stuff from TI backups. and if you don't like the new rom, use CWM backup to go back to your last rom.
so you need both backups cwm and Ti..
and as said before app backups might cause some problems when going from rom to rom
I have been jumping between different MIUI roms, they are basically the same so i haven't wiped anything(except dalvik cache) when flashing new rom, so everything will stay the way they are, and no ned to restore anything, if that's the case.
What comes to the stuff on SDcard, it will be just fine, if you want to back up your pics/music/vids, etc from your sdcard, just copy them to your computer.

[Q] May I install CM7 over MIUI?

Hi there!
I hope i'm not opening a repeated thread. I've search ( not correctly i think ) but i couldn't find any significant answer.
I've recently installed MIUI on my defy...
Now i want to install cyanogenmod and i'd like to know whether i can flash over miui without losing any data nor app.
Or should i have to downgrade to Froyo, lose ( surely i'll do a backup ) all my data, root my phone, install SndInit Defy and flash cm7?
Thus, what i have to do?
Thanks,
regards.

carlo93 said:
Hi there!
I hope i'm not opening a repeated thread. I've search ( not correctly i think ) but i couldn't find any significant answer.
I've recently installed MIUI on my defy...
Now i want to install cyanogenmod and i'd like to know whether i can flash over miui without losing any data nor app.
Or should i have to downgrade to Froyo, lose ( surely i'll do a backup ) all my data, root my phone, install SndInit Defy and flash cm7?
Thus, what i have to do?
Thanks,
regards.
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Well.. it won't brick your phone if you try to install the rom just by applying and wiping cache/dalvik only. I wouldn't recommend it, but you could give it a try. Do a backup first.
But despite that, I don't see that making a backup of the important apps and data via Titanium and applying that afterwards is so much work.

drfakeacc said:
I don't see that making a backup of the important apps and data via Titanium and applying that afterwards is so much work.
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You see, the problem is that once i try to restore all apps from Titanium, it always ask the permission ( i.e. if i want to install the app or not )! It doesn't do a silent-install.
It's such a boring thing tapping "Install" for over 60 times :\.
Am i wrong or is there a way to do a silent restore of all backups?

Wipe data and cache from Custom Recovery and then flash CM7 without rebooting after wiping.
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carlo93 said:
You see, the problem is that once i try to restore all apps from Titanium, it always ask the permission ( i.e. if i want to install the app or not )! It doesn't do a silent-install.
It's such a boring thing tapping "Install" for over 60 times :\.
Am i wrong or is there a way to do a silent restore of all backups?
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In Titanium Backup, Menu > Batch > ...

badeaioan said:
Wipe data and cache from Custom Recovery and then flash CM7 without rebooting after wiping.
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I'll try it.
kaninabu said:
In Titanium Backup, Menu > Batch > ...
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Yes, from there!
I choose to restore all lost apps + data, he always ask me if i want to install any single app...
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I've read that only Titanium Backup Pro has this feature... I'm disappointed :\.

i wanted to know this too.
i am on cm7 and updating it is a cake.... i wanted to know if i can do the same interchangeably with cMIUI.
since both the roms are still developing. trying each and restoring backup is a pain.
any advice?

abhifx said:
i wanted to know this too.
i am on cm7 and updating it is a cake.... i wanted to know if i can do the same interchangeably with cMIUI.
since both the roms are still developing. trying each and restoring backup is a pain.
any advice?
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I have used both and I am currently coming back to CM7.
MIUI is somewhat frustrating for me, constant forceclose on the most basic apps and every update requires some kind of retinkering to get it back to work correctly (like reinstalling gapps and Ti).
Also, i dont like the stock MIUI apps such as dialer, messenger and contacts. I know that I can replace them but its a custom ROM and it think it should be optimal out of the box. I can deal with replacing one but at least three are too many for me.
I know this wasnt supposed to be a review but i wouldn't bother replacing CM7 with MIUI.

How can i Update a ROM without loosing my Apps & Settings ?

Hi,
i have a Jelly Bean ROM an my DHD (this one) in the version Beta 7. Today is Beta 8 published and now i want to Update. But i dont know how to do this, without delete my Apps and Settings. Can one help me to do this ?
Thank you!

You can try and do a dirty install over top of Beta 7, but I wouldn't recommend it.
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backup with TitaniumBackup and restore on the new device... ?!
Greetz
FastJack2

PaddyG2s said:
Hi,
i have a Jelly Bean ROM an my DHD (this one) in the version Beta 7. Today is Beta 8 published and now i want to Update. But i dont know how to do this, without delete my Apps and Settings. Can one help me to do this ?
Thank you!
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backup all with titanium. then you try simply instal beta 8 over 7. When it will not good, then wipe all, install 8 and restore apps from backup.

titanium backup is the best solution for this..
you can also backup apps with App Backup & Restore... it will backup the apps and restore without downloading the apps again

Titanium Backup is the way to go. I fully recommend paying for the pro version if you plan on flashing a lot.
Just search the Play Store for it.
It also has the ability to backup your phone log, messages, and wifi hotspots, which is increasingly handy.
You also have the ability to back up to GDrive and DropBox.
Just don't restore system apps or data, as you don't want to restore older versions into a new ROM.

zphantom1 said:
Titanium Backup is the way to go. I fully recommend paying for the pro version if you plan on flashing a lot.
Just search the Play Store for it.
It also has the ability to backup your phone log, messages, and wifi hotspots, which is increasingly handy.
You also have the ability to back up to GDrive and DropBox.
Just don't restore system apps or data, as you don't want to restore older versions into a new ROM.
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Use titanium Backup to backup what ever u want thn restore after u flash the new rom...

adilrenzu said:
Use titanium Backup to backup what ever u want thn restore after u flash the new rom...
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Just dont restore system data, it messes a lot of stuff up
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