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Desire root and only instapp App2SD keep original firmware?

Hi guys i need more space for apps, Can root be reversed i.e reset the whole phone like it was oringinally?
I got my phone last tuesday and all i want it apps2sd, do i have change the HTC firmware or does that stay and it hacks it and allows me to added apps2sd option?
Also am i able to restore it back to original ? if i brick it while trying to do this is there way to unbrick?
thank you from an andriod newbie

I've just flashed the apps2sd update over on the original firmware after rooting and the phones constantly rebooting at the quietly brilliant screen

technocat said:
I've just flashed the apps2sd update over on the original firmware after rooting and the phones constantly rebooting at the quietly brilliant screen
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really, are you able to revert to original state?

managed to install custom rom with apps2sd on it and its working after 3rd attempt thank god! Apps2sd aint working on the rom either though (Pays-ROM Desire with Sense v1.4)...dont know whats going on.....wonder if its cause its an ext4 extension?.....

My advice to anyone is to NOT install APPS2SD, just wait for an official FroYo build to be leaked and installed on the Desire. It's full of issues at the moment.

Agreed. Wait for your sweeties

managed to install custom rom with apps2sd on it and its working after 3rd attempt thank god! Apps2sd aint working on the rom either though (Pays-ROM Desire with Sense v1.4)...dont know whats going on.....wonder if its cause its an ext4 extension?.....
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Ext4 is not supported

My advice to anyone is to NOT install APPS2SD, just wait for an official FroYo build to be leaked and installed on the Desire. It's full of issues at the moment.
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A2sd works fine, but it has a lot of downfalls. here are some examples:
not easy for beginners
Sd cards have to be in the device to boot
Cannot access apps with sd card mounted
Access to apps can be laggy due to card transfer rates
Etc....
If you guys are new to android, you're probably in the "download everything" phase. It's not realistic to keep every single thing. Be reasonable and you should be fine.
A2sd will be a thing of the past once 1gb+ roms become the norm.

eViL D: said:
A2sd works fine, but it has a lot of downfalls. here are some examples:
not easy for beginners
Sd cards have to be in the device to boot
Cannot access apps with sd card mounted
Access to apps can be laggy due to card transfer rates
Etc....
If you guys are new to android, you're probably in the "download everything" phase. It's not realistic to keep every single thing. Be reasonable and you should be fine.
A2sd will be a thing of the past once 1gb+ roms become the norm.
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Or when FroYo is released
I still don't know how they'll manage to get APPS running from a FAT partitioned SDCARD?
How will they manage to make the Sdcard usable for apps and readable by Windows and other operating systems which don't support ext2/3?

abc27 said:
How will they manage to make the Sdcard usable for apps and readable by Windows and other operating systems which don't support ext2/3?
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Correct me if Im wrong, but the only reason you have to use ext filesystems for A2SD is because that is what the 2.1 expects??
I can't see why you would need an ext filesystem for the APK files. The 'special' permissions on apps are not provided by the filesystem. Maybe cache and app data would require some level of security, but at least the APKs should happily live on FAT32.
Fingers crossed! I hope they sort something out.

Excellent advice, eViL D: I was a bit nervous about trying and Android phone in the first place but took the plunge due to the fantastic reviews on the Desire. I absolutely love this phone and I managed to root it without any problems. Fortunately I read about the A2SD issues before I installed it. Whew!!!
Being a complete newbie to Android, I am in the 'keep everything' phase but am starting to realise that there are a lot of apps that I simply don't need and probably won't use very often anyway. I reckon that if I find that I need them later, then I'll install them then. I've gotten rid of a number of apps and am really happy with the phone as it is. For now, I'm going to leave well enough alone. Will definitely keep an eye on the A2SD issue more out of curiosity than the need to use it.
I really wish I had the knowledge to help solve this problem and wish everyone who is working on it the best of luck.

To ROOT or not to root?

Just got my desire friday. It's awesome! But the lags are killing me! I'd like JIT, SetCPU, power managment, cool themes and better music player, that's all! It should be easy, just to hack android to get access to ROOT...
But seriously, I don't want to lose any settings and apps I've set-up. Also the process is complicated, and there is nothing like "one click ROOT access". Although I already have Android SDK(for testing purposes), I am maybe just a bit lazy
So what do you think, to root or not to root.

had to bump so fast!? is here anyone reading this?!

Desire forums seem kinda dead today. Everyone's probably got the World Cup fever lol
I personally would say no, but that's my opinion - I wouldn't wanna risk bricking my new device, I should also say though that I have no previous Android experience, so I don't know about you. So I'm waiting, hopefully an official release isn't too far off, and if my carrier doesn't release it quick, I will be goldcarding

I would go ahead and do it, even though the above poster stated that there is a strong possibility of bricking your device, this is true, but there have been recent developments made for this kind of issue - there are now complete guides in the ROM dev section detailing how to unbrick your device, or even run recovery from your phone without connecting to the PC lessening your chances of bricking it, and there is a Recovery mod also, so I would say it's safe to go ahead and root/flash.

Ok il'll try it, but i have some questions:
Will I lose any data or applications? I can't backup, I have 1gb left on my hdd.
Will I have to do factory or soft reset after flashing to custom rom?
Does flashing relace or "update" the system?
Is desire really having the CPU clocked at 1ghz or is it 720mhz like in HD2? Will overclocking it to 1ghz make the battery last less? How much then? Can you overclocking the graphics chip?
Thank you in advance.

Dany0 said:
Ok il'll try it, but i have some questions:
Will I lose any data or applications? I can't backup, I have 1gb left on my hdd.
Will I have to do factory or soft reset after flashing to custom rom?
Does flashing relace or "update" the system?
Is desire really having the CPU clocked at 1ghz or is it 720mhz like in HD2? Will overclocking it to 1ghz make the battery last less? How much then? Can you overclocking the graphics chip?
Thank you in advance.
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Yes, if you attempt to a flash a custom rom that includes Apps2SD/A2SD, then you should backup the data on your SD card. The reason for this is because, with many (if not all) custom roms, excluding the Froyo roms, come with Apps2SD baked/cookef into the rom, requiring you to partition the SD card (which will also format your SD card, wiping everything) after flashing a custom rom. new rom then this will remove all data and apps, but nothing will be deleted on the sd card. I suggest you try backing up your sd card data to some storage media before attempting root and flashing to another rom.
You will notice that before flashing the rom of your choice, it is advised to wipe storage, cache, etc before flashing in recovery mode. After flashing, you can always perform a hard reset if you like, especially if you encounter any niggling bugs.
Yes, flashing will replace your stock rom image with the custom rom image.
You can flash Richard Trip's modified kernal, which allows you to perform undervolting and overclocking of the processor to run at faster or slower speeds. Overclocking will result in better performance but drain the battery quicker, Underclocking will save battery life.
Please read the second link in my sig for an in-depth explanation for rooting, flashing, and Apps2SD.
Note: if your phone is network branded then you will also be required a Gold Card and have an additional Micro SD card.
Note: if your rom comes with Apps2SD preinstalled, then do not install Apps2SD, only partition your sd card after flashing thr rom while still in recovery mode.
The process is:
Backup
Create Gold Card (if necessary)
Root
Place rom in root of sd card
Boot into recovery
Wipe everything
Flash rom in recovery
Partition sd card in recovery
Reboot
Restore backup to sd card.

That's all just too complicated, why is there no wizard application for it? I may make one, but it's still too complicated.
Can't you just open up cmd and type login: root pass: root?

To be honest, it's not too complicated, daunting at first, but when you read the nimbu guide (see my sig for Windows only method) for example, it makes perfect sense and it easy to follow. Just try it step-by-step and you will do it no probs.
All you have to remember is...
Dont install Apps2SD if it is already included in the custom rom you want to flash.
Create a Gold Card only if your phone is software branded. If it is generic, then you will not require a Gold Card.
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Ok I get myself a class 6(maybe class 10) 8gb card and try it, then I'll pick up wxPython and try to make a wizard

Just to add, for the Gold Card itself, you dont need to buy a large capacity sd card, even a 2GB one will do fine.
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I will gold card my old Nokia 5310 2gb card(although it has some undeletable extras... hmm..) or the one shipped with the phone. I want a lot space for movies, music and apps. So 8GB will be fine.
And most importantly I don't want ANY lag. **** driving me NUTS!
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Just saw the tut again, hey this should be easy! K going on...

Dany0 said:
I will gold card my old Nokia 5310 2gb card(although it has some undeletable extras... hmm..) or the one shipped with the phone. I want a lot space for movies, music and apps. So 8GB will be fine.
And most importantly I don't want ANY lag. **** driving me NUTS!
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Just saw the tut again, hey this should be easy! K going on...
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Ok matey, that sounds absolutely fine. You could even go for a Class 2 SD Card. I currently have a Transcend 8GB Class 6 but to be honest, I have not really noticed any differences in speed with the applications.
Yes, it's not so bad when you read the guide first, it's looks a lot at first but it's just because all the steps are appropriately broken down, which makes things easier to understand. Give it a stab and if you get any problems, just post back here and I will help you out, if necessary.
Good luck

Dany0 said:
It's awesome! But the lags are killing me!
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is it a branded phone?
I have no lag

in future froyo 2.2 will there be root option?

I doubt it, HTC and Google would not want to have you "hacking" their phones... not that we do that on XDA
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jimlad said:
is it a branded phone?
I have no lag
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unbranded
lagging everywhere, menus, camera, gallery, videos, games(especially), apps, market, browser, settings, sdcard explorer, music player, and when you swipe over the trackball in home screens fast... LAG
Okay I got stuck at error 170, where do I download the drivers? I don't even know which do I need, do I need the HTC Sync or what? Or should I uninstall some drivers?
thanks

Yes, you need HTC Sync installed (this is on your sd card or you can download the latest version via HTC website). Also, ensure that you have USB debugging enabled (Menu > Settings > Applications > Development).
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Hi All,
my 2p worth (for what it's worth)
I rooted my desire and installed apps2sd and all was going well, until I discovered dust (a lot)under my screen and it has to go back to voda.
As there still isnt an RUU for voda uk I have had to install a generic wwe rom. It took me 6 hrs, and the fantastic help I received at modaco, to unroot and reflash the rom.
To say it was brown trouser time is an understatement lol
The only reason I rooted was for apps2sd and seeing as FroYo is going to include that facility, I don't think I will root again in the future.
I'm not saying don't root, but just make sure you can unroot if you need to.
I hope this helps?
Daz.

I rooted the same day it came out but only because i wanted paid apps available. And now its there i definately do not wanted to unroot
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got 155 unkown error
What!?
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not bricked.... phew
EDIT2:
Okay got to the wiping, tried to do the flash but it said I had no zip file on the sd card, so I thought that in the end I need a goldcard, btw can someone tell me what happens if you have branded phone but no goldcard? thanks, so back to what I was writing, so I downloadedthe hex editor, almost got to inserting the image, when i remembered that I already formatted the card already... boom! Of course it wasn't there! soo.. loading up hoping that FAT32 is still okay...
EDIT3:
phew... ROOTING!! yay ^^

huawei ascend

is this phone rooted trying to get apps to sd work got mem card formatted but still not working please help getting very aggreavated os 2.1 and if not rooted how do you root it also on cricket service please help thanks

jamest6972 said:
is this phone rooted trying to get apps to sd work got mem card formatted but still not working please help getting very aggreavated os 2.1 and if not rooted how do you root it also on cricket service please help thanks
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search site for Z4root and then plug Ascend into computer, mount SD card so it shows up as a storage device, copy Z4root to SD card, un mound SD card so device is back to just charging. Also very important, on the forums is step by step how to use Z4root including steps to follow. I have rooted 3 Ascends without a problem with the steps from the forums.

holly cow getting closer but still not working card is formatted z4 says phone is rooted apps2sd says it needs to format card so i try that and it still says same thing even though card is formatted but it doesn't recognize it as so tried link to sd and it says cant auto mount partition PLEASE help phone has no custom roms do i need to install one usually i am good with this kind of stuff but 4 days later it still not working oh and super user is working i noticed in some post it didn't if phone was not rooted

apps2sd
man all i want is to get apps to sd working arrrrrrggggggg

jamest6972 said:
man all i want is to get apps to sd working arrrrrrggggggg
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Head over to my site, MyAscend.org - there is a custom ROM called Icarus that has all the bloatware removed, apps2sd, OC kernal, and more. It's really to install, you will just need to use an older version of clockwork (not the one that is in ROM manager). There is full instructions, just go to the developers post about the ROM. he released this rom on my site, and its a very good one. My phone is soooo much faster now!!!
You can't have apps 2 sd on stock ROM btw.

rom
really didn't want to do the rom thing i guess i will just have to wait for the update from everything i have been searching supposibly it suppose to be out by end of month if not then i will do the rom deal i feel it would be pretty crummy if they dont do an update i have had cricket service almost since they started and this is the first brandnew phone i have bought from them cause it was a droid so if they dont fix i will be very and i do mean very upset with them so cricket lets get the ball rolling

2.1 doesnt support app to sd its one of my bigest complaints about this phone

Possible to install Android on SD card?

I'm wondering if it's possible on a native Android device like the Evo to install and boot Android from the SD card?

It might brick the phone because its from a totally different device, and I doubt youll be able to use data or some of your hardware because of the radios. But you can probably root the device you want the android from, make a nandroid, and if it had an sd card switch it to the phone you want it on and have it rooted so you can flash the nandroid
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vbetts said:
I'm wondering if it's possible on a native Android device like the Evo to install and boot Android from the SD card?
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I don't think the post above mine is what you had in mind. I'm assuming you're thinking of running Android from the SD card like was done with some of the old WinMo devices. The answer is that it could be done in principle, but I don't think anyone's done the work to enable it on the Evo. There are a couple use cases where it could be useful (AOSP user booting into Sense to update PRL). But I don't think it's been something that's gathered much interest from the devs.

vbetts said:
I'm wondering if it's possible on a native Android device like the Evo to install and boot Android from the SD card?
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This is being done on the Nook Color currently. However, I don't believe the Evo has the capability to boot from sd card, whereas the Nook actually gives boot priority to the sd card. It's pretty slick actually. My wife's Nook is bone stock internally for reading, but running CM7 & Honeycomb from an 8gb sd card.

Problem with roms and memory

Hi everyone, i recently learn in this forum how to root and install a rom and my phone work excellent but days later my sd card die i buy a new one a 8GB class 4, but when i try to install my previous rom the phone start to reboot with every app, i try many roms but almost all show me the same error, in this moment i have install the cyanogen 7.2 but every possible way to extend the memory dosnt work, the rom have s2e install but when i try to pass the apps to sd show and error or reboot and die in the htc logo, when i try with the mounts2sd show they I have 1gb or internal memory but when i pass at least 2 or 3 apps show me the message "you dont have enough space" and the same happen with link2sd, im desperate at this moment because i dont know what to do or what happen, i try doing clean installation, wipe and format everything but the phone show everytime the same errors.
Please if somebody can help me or show me an idea to what to do please

How did you make the ext partition?

chromium96 said:
How did you make the ext partition?
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Yes i have the ext partition, is a 1gb ext4, in my previous sd card (4gb) work great until they died, i install at least 20 apps with no problem, but now i can install 3 apps without i have full memory

lordkaky said:
Yes i have the ext partition, is a 1gb ext4, in my previous sd card (4gb) work great until they died, i install at least 20 apps with no problem, but now i can install 3 apps without i have full memory
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What did you use to create the partition

I make the ext partition using the recovery, i select the first ext partition with 1gb, the second skip and swap skip

lordkaky said:
Yes i have the ext partition, is a 1gb ext4, in my previous sd card (4gb) work great until they died, i install at least 20 apps with no problem, but now i can install 3 apps without i have full memory
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Yes, but what program/thing did you use to partition?

abaaaabbbb63 said:
Yes, but what program/thing did you use to partition?
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I use your link to how to partition the sd, using the 4ext recovery

lordkaky said:
I use your link to how to partition the sd, using the 4ext recovery
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The sd-card is probably faulty. Do you have a third sd-card, not this one, nor the 4GB you used to use, but another one to test if it's working properly?

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The sd-card is probably faulty. Do you have a third sd-card, not this one, nor the 4GB you used to use, but another one to test if it's working properly?
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I dont have another sd card in the moment, but i going to get one later, but in this moment i haver another problem, trying to flash another rom because the errors, i got stuck in the htc logo im frustrated at this moment :crying:

lordkaky said:
I dont have another sd card in the moment, but i going to get one later, but in this moment i haver another problem, trying to flash another rom because the errors, i got stuck in the htc logo im frustrated at this moment :crying:
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Can you get into hboot?

chromium96 said:
Can you get into hboot?
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I can get the boot screen with the option of the 4ext recovery

lordkaky said:
I can get the boot screen with the option of the 4ext recovery
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Go into recovery and flash a rom.

chromium96 said:
Go into recovery and flash a rom.
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I do that, but i get stuck in the htc logo :crying:

lordkaky said:
I do that, but i get stuck in the htc logo :crying:
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Ok i flash an stock rom and now is work, but the memory problem, i try to get a different sd card and try again everything from the scratch, what kind of memory you recommend for this phone???
thanks

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Ok i flash an stock rom and now is work, but the memory problem, i try to get a different sd card and try again everything from the scratch, what kind of memory you recommend for this phone???
thanks
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Usually Samsung sd-cards work best with the HTC Desire. Try getting a class 6 or class 4 sd-card.

Ok i try to get a new sd card with that specs, but i like to know if the sd card can be the only factor to my problem, because i try to install many roms like leedroid, cooldroid v9, mildwild, and every rom show me a differente errors as leedroid get stuck in a reboot loop, cooldroid revolution v9 get stuck in the black htc logo, mildwild show error of the kind "sorry the process com...." with almost every app (this happen with 2 or 3 roms i try) the rom i used before this problems is oxygen 2.3.2 and work fine without no problem but now i install this rom and every time a install an app the phone makes a quick reboot and show me the welcome message of the rom every time, i search for a solution or explanation but i dont found anything similar to my problem, maybe someone have any idea of what happen whit this??

lordkaky said:
Ok i try to get a new sd card with that specs, but i like to know if the sd card can be the only factor to my problem, because i try to install many roms like leedroid, cooldroid v9, mildwild, and every rom show me a differente errors as leedroid get stuck in a reboot loop, cooldroid revolution v9 get stuck in the black htc logo, mildwild show error of the kind "sorry the process com...." with almost every app (this happen with 2 or 3 roms i try) the rom i used before this problems is oxygen 2.3.2 and work fine without no problem but now i install this rom and every time a install an app the phone makes a quick reboot and show me the welcome message of the rom every time, i search for a solution or explanation but i dont found anything similar to my problem, maybe someone have any idea of what happen whit this??
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If no ROM with an a2sd script works properly, then, yes, it's an sd-card error. You could try many other ROMs.
Oxygen doesn't have an a2sd script by default.

Just in this moment im trying to flash a rom with a different sd card but i have a problem again im going to flash the cyanogenmode 7.2 because i have this in a previous installation and i like the rom, but now i install the rom and get stuck in the htc logo, i really dont understand what is happen with my phone apparently took own life and is doing what he want :crying: im going to try with another rom
thanks

Well this is my update, i wipe/format everything, cache, dalvik, data, system, boot, sd-ext i mean everything, and now i can flash the rom that i want, the other thing is i get a 2gb sd card and i use this with and ext patition of 512mb just for try, and all work fine, in this moment i already install many apps and use the mounts2sd, the apps are use around the 200mb.
In conclusion my big problem is and always be the sd-card. :silly:
thanks to everybody for your help, i want to make a guide for newbies like me who have this kind of problems

Hi, this is my new update, i purchase an micro sd card kingston of 16gb class 4, i put in my phone create the sd ext partition of 1gb and flash the cyanogen mod 7.2, everything works fine, i install the mounts2sd and configure it and work fine too with this i can install many apps without the memory problem. But my really issue is the phone is working really slow i never experience this before, i open the camera and get stuck, open the browser and get stuck, the only option when i open something and get stuck is hit the home key and send me again to the desk screen.
Any idea of what happen? i think at first is was a problem of speed in the cpu but i see in the configuration is fine, i also think if flash to many times in a row the phone can damage anything?? I dont know what to do in this moment.
Thanks.