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Does Desire have rSAP (VW/Audi/Skoda) Nav

Hi all,
Anyone can confirm that Desire has a rSAP (remote Sim access)?
Some people are saying it doesn't work with their Nav, some say it is working.
Any one got it hooked up to their Vw/Audi/Skoda RNS Nav?
Looking to change from my TouchHD.
Cheers,

Android does not support the SAP/rSAP protocol. It may be that some people have it working on cars that use the HFP or HSP profiles.

Thanks mate, not good at all!!!

A little up now the phone's live...
Does it support rsap? is there any way to push contacts etc...?
I got an audi with a built in Bluetooth system, pairing ok, phone etc ok, but no possibilities with my desire to have rsap working

swissman said:
A little up now the phone's live...
Does it support rsap? is there any way to push contacts etc...?
I got an audi with a built in Bluetooth system, pairing ok, phone etc ok, but no possibilities with my desire to have rsap working
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I also have the Audi built in BT system, and it works fine except that from what I've read about rSAP, I don't think it's working in that mode with the Audi.
The only difference (problem) I've been facing with my HTC phones vs. Nokia e71 is that the phone ring tone is not pushed to the car speakers when receiving a call. I was hoping it would work with the Desire as the default Audi BT ringtone is stupidly annoying.
Sorry off topic again, but I was wondering, are Bluetooth profiles generally defined by hardware or software? Or some by this, some by that?

Maybe you could check if it has another setting to retrieve data from the phone.
From what i know the new modules used in audi/vw/skoda are Novero modules (part of the nokia business) which only supports rsap.
The older modules are from harman/Becker and do support al the possible connectiontypes.
You can check which type you have under the passengers frontseat, the modules are build in under the seat, not in the radio.
If you have a Novero, tough luck. But you can always check on the local car junkyard if you can find an old car which does have a harman/becker, and build that one in

salahag said:
I also have the Audi built in BT system, and it works fine except that from what I've read about rSAP, I don't think it's working in that mode with the Audi.
The only difference (problem) I've been facing with my HTC phones vs. Nokia e71 is that the phone ring tone is not pushed to the car speakers when receiving a call. I was hoping it would work with the Desire as the default Audi BT ringtone is stupidly annoying.
Sorry off topic again, but I was wondering, are Bluetooth profiles generally defined by hardware or software? Or some by this, some by that?
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Just wanted to add to eliminate any confusion. I can dial contacts saved on the phone and directly search for them on the car screen. But what I understood is that rSAP profile connects to the SIM card and fully replaces the phone, where it goes into some kind of sleep mode!

salahag said:
Just wanted to add to eliminate any confusion. I can dial contacts saved on the phone and directly search for them on the car screen. But what I understood is that rSAP profile connects to the SIM card and fully replaces the phone, where it goes into some kind of sleep mode!
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Exactly... you can even read/send sms directly through the display and through your car multimedia system.

Ford
Just a little extra info, Desire now works with the Ford Convers+ system but ONLY on Android 2.1 Update1 (the stock Android 2.1 didn't work).
Just thought that may be why there's mixed reports of working/not working?

Tirinoarim said:
Just a little extra info, Desire now works with the Ford Convers+ system but ONLY on Android 2.1 Update1 (the stock Android 2.1 didn't work).
Just thought that may be why there's mixed reports of working/not working?
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I got the stock Android and it's showing Android 2.1 update 1.... but not working ;-)

Hmm - well I'm trying to use my HTC Desire with a 2010 Audi A3 with BT and not having any luck so far. Although it paired and transferred the phonebook (took quite a few minutes with a couple of hundred contacts), it's now being really flaky and sometimes just refusing to connect at all. I tried un-pairing/re-pairing but to no avail. It just seems to work sometimes for a bit then stop again. By comparison pairing my Desire with a Jabra BT headset worked fine.
Anyone else having these problems? Anyone know of any updates for the Audi software? (if not I suppose I'll just need to wait for Froyo and hope that it fixes things )

my desire works well with my VW golf.
phone book, calls (dialing and receiving) and status dispay working. not working is SMS

Hey Folks,
there is room for some BT "education", because most people don't know the difference between rSAP and Handsfree.
Handsfree is working like a BT headset - most disadvantage - you are using the phoneunit of your mobile.
rSAP is using BT protocoll to get only the SIM card of your mobile and work together with the phoneunit of your car.
For Audi you can see on which mode your are conntected at the MMI-Display => "SIM card icon" stands for rSAP while "Mobilephone icon" represents handsfree mode.

no rSAP
I could be wrong, but I was of the impression that Nokia had patented the RSAP protocol, so you're not going to see it on non-Nokia phones. Irritating, really. Some car users have retrofitted their handsfree kits with a module that uses handsfree profile with some success but it's not going to use the car antennae etc in this case.

rSAP is a "STANDARD" for bluetooth protocoll in general.
Nokia was one of the first, thatswhy the Nokia unit has some "problems" in early releases....

Well I picked up my Skoda Superb last week, dealer told me they were fitting the new GSM 3 units that had just recently changed, not that it meant much to me.
Anyways it did work fine first couple days then started playing up with not connecting, I went into the options because I found it was connecting to media, but not phone, so I disabled the media option on the phone for the bluetooth connections and its been fine ever since.
Desire running Modaco R4, R5 & R6 now also ok.
Also saw a file posted on there that is meant to fix the iffy bluetooth connection problems, its been confirmed as working but I've not tried it as I've not had any more problems with it.
Will take a look though see if its connecting with a phone or sim card, I had noticed the signal always seemed really good even if the phone was berried in the car somewhere so maybe the rSAP explains it.

Tinyk said:
Also saw a file posted on there that is meant to fix the iffy bluetooth connection problems, its been confirmed as working but I've not tried it as I've not had any more problems with it.
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Do you have a link to the thread that includes this file by any chance?

Do not mix up android 2.1 and 2.2.
AFAIK the modaco roms are froyo which should have a better bluetooth stack than eclair.

Well some good news! The FroYo/2.2 update on the Desire seemed to do the trick for me and I now seem to be able to get a stable BT connection with my A3. Phonebook transfer working fine too and it's reacquiring the connection when getting back into the car.

Any hope for Android 2.1?
Alanjrobertson: did you say you got your HTC Desire Android v2.1 phone working with your Audi, albeit a bit flaky? I cant get my HTC Desire Android v2.1 phone working with my VW EOS working at all.
What was the process you followed? The process I went through was to turn on phone’s bluetooth and make my phone discoverable. I then initiated a search from the car. It found my phone and displayed the correct name. However, when I chose the “connect” option on the car, it gave the error message: "mobile telephone phone is not compatible" on the car’s MFD.
Is this what you did? Is there a better way of connecting?
The car’s entertainment system is RNS510. I’m not sure if this is associated with Bluetooth or not.
My previous phone (Nokia 5800) worked OK, but my Desire doesn’t.
I am hoping that the Android v2.2 upgrade will fix my problems, but I’m still waiting for the update from Orange. It could take a while by the sounds of things.
I contacted HTC and they told me “The HTC Desire does not have the remote sim access profile. we currently have no plans to update the Bluetooth profiles on the device.” This makes me worried that when I eventually do get the Android v2.2 upgrade it will not work.
Any ideas other than waiting for the Android v2.2 upgrade?

Bluetooth not alive when phone is locked?

All,
I have this small issue with my HTC Desire and the Parrot CK3000 Evolution. Until now, everything works perfectly (calling, sending contacts, voice dialing, ending calls,...)
However I have one small issue. When I enter my car, and my phone is locked, the Desire will not pair with the Parrot. From the moment I activate the screen, pairing is done within a few seconds. I already tried to leave it there for half an hour, no pairing, touched the screen, pairing within a few seconds.
It looks to me like the bluetooth is not active / alive when the phone is locked (or in sleep). From the moment the pairing is done, everything works fine, also when the phone is back in lock / sleep.
Anybody has anything similar or has a solution for this? I searched the market for some kind of Bluetooth-keep-alive application, but could not really find it...
Thanks in advance,
Best regards,
Speedygerre

Small bump, nobody any idea for a solution or somekind of workaround / app?
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I have a similar situation with my Audi A5 (factory BT kit).
It will connect when the phone is locked (screen off etc) but it can take anything from 1 to 10 minutes before it does connect.
Like yourself, my Desire connects immediately if the phone is not locked.
Strangely, it appears to work OK in my Mazda MX-5 which has a Kenwood DNX8220BT system (Bluetooth, SatNav, Ipod, coffee maker etc) - and the Bluetooth is a Parrot system. Having said that, I haven't used the MX-5 much since I got my Desire so it might not be a representative sample.
There is definitely something amiss though.

I have a Parrot CK 3100, and whilst I am happy to report that I do not have the same problem as you, I did have a problem syncing my contacts.
Check out this site, and download the software to udate to the latest firmware. You will need a laptop with either built in bluetooth, or a seperate bluetooth dongle.
http://www.parrot.com/uk/support/onlinehelpguides
I updated the firmware on mine, and now my contacts sync properly.
There is a good chance that updating could fix your connection problem as well.

Sorry forgot to add, that updating the kit really is a doddle, but their software is Windows 32bit ONLY and definitely no MAC!

Thans pergolesi, I hope your suggestion workshop, I will try it when I have some time one of the next days.
However I still think it has something to do with the Desire, since syncing workshop perfectly when Desire is not locked...
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I don't know about the Bluetooth but I know my wifi deactivates after about 5 minutes when it's locked even though I have it set to never turn off. Maybe the Bluetooth is doing the same.

Perhaps not much help, but I sometimes play music from my Desire on my car headunit using Bluetooth streaming, and that continues to work fine when the screen goes off and the phone is locked. It also still responds to commands from the headunit (skip, pause, etc).

Once it's connected, everything works OK for me as well, it just is the connecting moment which apparently does not always work

REB1 said:
I have a similar situation with my Audi A5 (factory BT kit).
It will connect when the phone is locked (screen off etc) but it can take anything from 1 to 10 minutes before it does connect.
Like yourself, my Desire connects immediately if the phone is not locked.
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Can I ask what year your A5 is? I've got a 2010 A3 and BT doesn't work properly with my Desire I can get it to pair, but then it will disconnect a few minutes later and the only way to reconnect seems to be to unpair/repair or switch the car off/on. When it IS working it can make calls, etc. fine - but I just can't get it to stay connected I tried my Audi dealer but they just said it's not on the Audi list and there's no update to support it, so interested to hear you got it working on your A5.

alanjrobertson said:
Can I ask what year your A5 is? I've got a 2010 A3 and BT doesn't work properly with my Desire I can get it to pair, but then it will disconnect a few minutes later and the only way to reconnect seems to be to unpair/repair or switch the car off/on. When it IS working it can make calls, etc. fine - but I just can't get it to stay connected I tried my Audi dealer but they just said it's not on the Audi list and there's no update to support it, so interested to hear you got it working on your A5.
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My A5 is a 2008 model with SatNav and therefore MMI High. The Desire paired straight away with no problems and both the car and the phone remember each other - it just takes awhile sometimes for one or the other to realise it and connect.
I'm pretty certain that it is the phone that has the problem as I had no such problems with several Sony Ericsson phones previously.

REB1 said:
My A5 is a 2008 model with SatNav and therefore MMI High. The Desire paired straight away with no problems and both the car and the phone remember each other - it just takes awhile sometimes for one or the other to realise it and connect.
I'm pretty certain that it is the phone that has the problem as I had no such problems with several Sony Ericsson phones previously.
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Thanks - interesting. I wonder how many different BT stacks Audi run - I was hoping they'd share some common code and therefore be updated quickly but it sounds like this isn't the case given that it's working fine on your A5. Thanks for the info though!

[Q] BlueTooth & Cars

I've tried to connect my phone via BT to two different cars and have no luck. It will scan for devices but won't find them at all. Does this happen to anyone else with the SIII? Strangely enough, it finds and connects to my JamBox is just fine.

What ROM are u on ? Stock or rooted?
What kind of cars I know my Audi A8 will connect but I always have to connect manually and enter the 1234 paswrd.
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bbgt2 said:
What ROM are u on ? Stock or rooted?
What kind of cars I know my Audi A8 will connect but I always have to connect manually and enter the 1234 paswrd.
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Still rocking the stock and unrooted for the phone. I tried on a Lexus GS and a Scion xB but no results show up. How do you connect manually? I should try that

Phone calls and bluetooth streaming works fine in my 2009 Mazda 6 (GT, no navigation). My phone is stock + root.
I use Slacker Radio everyday, launched by Automateit Pro when the connection to my car is established.
IIRC, I had to input a PIN on my phone, then in my car to do the pairing, and after that, I had to connect the phone manually to the stereo, but only once. After that, it's automatic when I start the car. Watch out for the "Only visible to paired devices" setting on your phone. It must not be checked.

I too have major issues with bluetooth, my phone connects whenever it feels like. I had to flash to cm9 to be able to listen to music in my G37. No problems in my other car (it has aftermaket pioneer system).
PS Just flashed the CM10 since they finally figured out A2DP, but the image is broken. (Note to myself: "Read the thread before flashing") Will wait for the next nightly build.

Nissan's always had a horrid BT stack in it. I'm in an 09 Altima and BT just sucks. I know it's not the phone as I've tried multiple phones from multiple vendors and they all suck. Nissan won't fix it either.

[Q] Bluetooth issue with Cars
I have AKOP Rom and KT Kernel. My bluetooth connectin to Mazda Cx-5 is fine. However, the problem I have is a lot of phone information (Song title, Battery Status) I used to have on stock, now are gone. Previously, I can fast foward or Rewind a song, also, once BT is connected, the default music player will start automatically
Can someone suggest a BT manager app which can change and enhance BT setting?

I have a 2009 Mercedes B200. My phone connects to the car just fine, but no sound comes from the speakers and no sound goes into the microphone. Same thing with my car and the HTC One X, although that was fixed with a stock ROM update. Bluetooth on cars can be very hit and miss.

[Q] Compatibility with Parrot MKi-series hand-free kits

Hi, I hope you guys can help.
I'm looking at buying a Galaxy Note II in the next few days however I've just noticed that, according to Parrot's compatibility list, it doesn't work (or hasn't been tested) with their MKi range of bluetooth hands-free car kits. Now, every other Android phone I've tried has worked fine with it, but I'm a bit worried that it's not listed.
Do any of you guys have this working with either a Parrot MKi 9000, 9100 or 9200? If so, are there any limitations I should know about? This is mainly for bluetooth audio and making calls.
Kind Regards,
Kona.

Yes it works flawlessly.. no issues.....
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My wife's minivan has a Parrot MKi9000 and the Note2 pairs and performs call operations perfectly with it. Cant confirm music streaming as she doesn't let me do that....
(but it works great in my Kia Ceed!)

[Q] CleanROM Bluetooth Issue

First of all, CleanROM is a wonderful ROM. I have installed it on my ATT Note 2. :good:
However I have one slight problem if you guys can help me figure it out.
My bluetooth connects perfectly to my car stereo (A Brand New Pioneer made in July 2012). I can make phone calls perfectly, but I cannot play media via bluetooth. Meaning, when I try to play music it does not send a signal to the radio.
I made some troubleshooting steps to no avail:
1. The bluetooth Media option is checked under the bluetooth settings.
2. The car stereo works perfectly with my rooted Galaxy S II with Stock ROM 2.3.5 (phone + media)
3. My Note 2 fails to send media signal to my GF's new car Stereo (2013 model). Hence this is NOT an issue of an outdated bluetooth receiver. Again here, the same issue: it connects when making phone calls, but no media playing.
4. I even unpaired all other devices from the stereo to no avail.
I am starting to think it is an issue with the ROM..Is there an app I can download or some patch to fix this, or should I try a different ROM.
It took me 2 days to finally set up everything on my phone and I would hate to have to erase all and start all over.
Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

privatewarrior1 said:
First of all, CleanROM is a wonderful ROM. I have installed it on my ATT Note 2. :good:
However I have one slight problem if you guys can help me figure it out.
My bluetooth connects perfectly to my car stereo (A Brand New Pioneer made in July 2012). I can make phone calls perfectly, but I cannot play media via bluetooth. Meaning, when I try to play music it does not send a signal to the radio.
I made some troubleshooting steps to no avail:
1. The bluetooth Media option is checked under the bluetooth settings.
2. The car stereo works perfectly with my rooted Galaxy S II with Stock ROM 2.3.5 (phone + media)
3. My Note 2 fails to send media signal to my GF's new car Stereo (2013 model). Hence this is NOT an issue of an outdated bluetooth receiver. Again here, the same issue: it connects when making phone calls, but no media playing.
4. I even unpaired all other devices from the stereo to no avail.
I am starting to think it is an issue with the ROM..Is there an app I can download or some patch to fix this, or should I try a different ROM.
It took me 2 days to finally set up everything on my phone and I would hate to have to erase all and start all over.
Thanks a lot in advance for your help.
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I'm having the same problem different radio.