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I've just found this article, and was not happy to read it:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/
This left me very disappointed
Given that we pretty much knew that WP7 wasn't going to be backward compatible software-wise, this one is not that big of a deal. You wouldn't be able to run the old apps anyway. By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
What's this got to do with old apps? If you want to install a hack you first need to submit it to Marketplace? Oh! I forgot there's no hacks on WP7....
RAMMANN said:
What's this got to do with old apps? If you want to install a hack you first need to submit it to Marketplace? Oh! I forgot there's no hacks on WP7....
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You will still be able to load apps on to the device from Visual Studios. It will just require giving out the source to do it. So hacks and such that people don't want to go through marketplace will be able to distribute there code as long as they don't care that everyone will beable to see the source.
Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
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Hmmmm. Interesting. Sounds like something that might be exploited by a jail-break procedure.
I think you just have to accept that WP7 never will be "hacker friendly". I'm starting to wonder if there would have been less whining over the WP7 platform if they'd branded it something completely different, like "Splonge" or "Zaarkoft", since its got virtually nothing to do with WP6.5. The community's expectations would maybe been more realistic.
What's sad is of course that the 6.5 series probably won't be developed further and few or no new devices with better hardware will come with 6.5 (or 6.6 or whatver), but I guess there always is ... Android? Or Openmoko or whatever it's called.
Shasarak said:
Hmmmm. Interesting. Sounds like something that might be exploited by a jail-break procedure.
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I like this, hopefully we can get ahold of it and exploit it to it's fullest potential.
Idiocracy of the Mobile World
It seems everything is so dumbed these days...making things is a easier to do is fine but damn. For me I hear windows mobile I think mini pc but now it seems things as a whole are headed towards playskool sh!+ for adults. I blame newbies that dont/cant read manuals & use commn sense (u won a lottery u neva heard & u paying money to receive the winnings lol). I also blame the pos companies/people that push malware/spyware/phishing. Windows customization is gift for the tech savy but a curse for impatient eye candy lovers.
Nilzor said:
By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
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As I see the Marketplace evolving I must state I've never seen so many new and ugly $1-apps. I'd better pay $20 for a well-designed with great UI and functionality or donate something to a as great freeware app than sponsor those marketplace whores that even don't offer a trial.
This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
Nilzor said:
Given that we pretty much knew that WP7 wasn't going to be backward compatible software-wise, this one is not that big of a deal. You wouldn't be able to run the old apps anyway. By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
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I'm not sure what your logic is here. There's no reason to want sideloading unless you want to sideload winmo6 apps?
How about wanting to sideload applications MS doesn't want to compete with or otherwise decides is unsuitable for my delicate sensibilities? How about wanting to sideload content made by indies that can't afford MS's regulatory scheme? How about wanting to sideload content so I can get it direct from my friendly neighborhood developer, with all the incumbent benefits and freedoms thereof instead of submitting myself to the whims of a markplace's DRM mechanisms?
Of course, I'm not exactly blown away by the news. Anyone with half a brain knew once the Zunies were in charge of WinMo this was the inevitable result.
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This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
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Students can get the fee waived with dreamspark. All you have to do is verify with your school e-mail. I've already done it.
ladieslova said:
I've just found this article, and was not happy to read it:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/
This left me very disappointed
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I think we have another way...
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Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
brummiesteven said:
This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
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Ummm, if you're a student u get a free annual subscription. it's annual, Google has it too, but its $25 bucks to sign up while this is $99 like Apple's. If you can't afford $99 a year, you should probably get a job...
chaoscentral said:
Ummm, if you're a student u get a free annual subscription. it's annual, Google has it too, but its $25 bucks to sign up while this is $99 like Apple's. If you can't afford $99 a year, you should probably get a job...
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any student or do you have to be in that field?? cuz im just taking my basic ed classes so would i qualify?
fortunz said:
I'm not sure what your logic is here. There's no reason to want sideloading unless you want to sideload winmo6 apps?
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Flawed, I know. But I mean, we know up-front that we cannot sideload WP7 apps so It's not like we've been held in the dark here and wasted thousands of hours developing WP7 apps in the belief that we can sideload and distribute the old way. For those of us that still want a "hacker friendly" phone, we still got WP6.5 and competing platforms.
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any student or do you have to be in that field?? cuz im just taking my basic ed classes so would i qualify?
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Any University student (if your University isn't on the Dreamspark list, contact Microsoft)
Highschool students are also eligible (but they require their school to sign up on their behalf)
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Any University student (if your University isn't on the Dreamspark list, contact Microsoft)
Highschool students are also eligible (but they require their school to sign up on their behalf)
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thanks to bad im in community college, but my girl goes to sdsu so maybe i can get it in her name
nvm my school is on the list
Nilzor said:
Flawed, I know. But I mean, we know up-front that we cannot sideload WP7 apps so It's not like we've been held in the dark here and wasted thousands of hours developing WP7 apps in the belief that we can sideload and distribute the old way. For those of us that still want a "hacker friendly" phone, we still got WP6.5 and competing platforms.
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I agree, that's a valid point. I don't even think we were in the dark from the first day of WP7s' introduction, before this little confirmation. The moment they sent their hipster zunies out to explain how great it was, at least half of us knew they were using Apple's playbook.
I began to come to terms with migrating to android on day 1, and the stench of betrayal has mostly passed on.
Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
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There Will be alternate ways to load apps onto the device, gotten from an updated version of the same article.
Instead of whining about what WP7S isn't going to be (because Microsoft surely won't change their plans and development anymore) let's start to develop and hack this thing.
The most important question for the developers here would be: How to install apps without going through the marketplace. Just as we did it ever before here on XDA-Devs with cabs.
Because I am not alone when I say I'm not ready to pay 75$ a year for a marketplace developer subscription just to release my small just-for-fun freeware app.
Maybe there is already someone out there who figured it out...
EMBRACE CHANGE!
You can just load it with XNA Studio. I do it all the time with my Zune.
Then let's hope that this will still work for WP7S.
There's an option to deploy your project in VS too to deploy to a device, so I presume thats how you would install a non market place app
All phones will be "locked." It appears that only developers who pay the $99/yr fee will be able to unlock their device(s).
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There's an option to deploy your project in VS too to deploy to a device, so I presume thats how you would install a non market place app
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Yes, but this only works with projects for which you have the source code. And this is only for debugging.
I hope someone will hack this, so that we free developers can just post our xap and all users can install it on their phones without marketplace.
Or Microsoft should rethink their business plans for marketplace. Free Apps should stay free. The developers are already spending a lot resources to develop freeware apps. Why forcing them to pay 99$/yr, too??
It's ok for devs who wants to earn money with their app. Or for advertisers who create free apps just to advertise their company. But not for private free-time devs.
If Microsoft is able to do it for students then why not for all other freeware developers who doesn't want to sell their apps for different reasons (open source etc...).
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It appears that only developers who pay the $99/yr fee will be able to unlock their device(s).
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I keep hearing about it. Is there a definitive source for this information?
Cipher said:
Instead of whining about what WP7S isn't going to be (because Microsoft surely won't change their plans and development anymore) let's start to develop and hack this thing.
The most important question for the developers here would be: How to install apps without going through the marketplace. Just as we did it ever before here on XDA-Devs with cabs.
Because I am not alone when I say I'm not ready to pay 75$ a year for a marketplace developer subscription just to release my small just-for-fun freeware app.
Maybe there is already someone out there who figured it out...
EMBRACE CHANGE!
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For my know,M$ allows business user install xap without Marketplace, so I am sure xda brother can find the way to do that
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I keep hearing about it. Is there a definitive source for this information?
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I spoke with a Microsoft employee (Technical Evangelist Developer Platform & Strategy Group) at CeBIT this month and he told me that. He also told me that he himself is not happy about this decision especially for all those freeware developers.
Well, that sucks. They could have avoided users relying to hacking their devices to do basic stuff. Jailbreaking, cracked DRM and piracy it is then. They made their choice.
The various presentations at MIX mention developers unlocking their devices for deployment.
It's important to note that a lot of the marketplace details are still up in the air. The pricing may change. They've specifically stated that they haven't decided on the 5app (or is it 3, I forget) limit. They very well may allow developers to sign up for a free account and only publish free apps with no advertising. We shall see.
I'm sure they are having much more heated discussions about it than we here are.
Cipher said:
I spoke with a Microsoft employee (Technical Evangelist Developer Platform & Strategy Group) at CeBIT this month and he told me that. He also told me that he himself is not happy about this decision especially for all those freeware developers.
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Hey my Friends,
let me ask this question: I'm using an HTC HD2 with a Windows 7. I love it, but the camera is really bullsh..!
So I found an XAP, what gives me the full camera option.
Does it means, that I have to pay Microsoft, to put this App on? Or is there another way to install it on my phone?
This is not really hacking, because if I can't use my cam, I have to go back to the android system. That will hurt Microsoft even more?!?
Please let me know about your oppinions
Thanks
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Hey my Friends,
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I'm using an HTC HD2 with a Windows 7
<snip>I have to go back to the android system. That will hurt Microsoft even more?!?
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How will it hurt Microsoft for you to stop using their OS when you haven't paid for a licence for it?
Clipboard:
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms589129(v=VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.uielement.mouserightbuttondown(VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.controls.primitives.popup(v=VS.95).aspx
See? All supported in Silverlight 4. Once the phone runs Silverlight 4, it'll support these.
There, done, now you can shut up and stop complaining about it missing. Thank you.
Why stop complaining? It's still missing. What about you shutting up until they finally add it?
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Clipboard:
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms589129(v=VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.uielement.mouserightbuttondown(VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.controls.primitives.popup(v=VS.95).aspx
See? All supported in Silverlight 4. Once the phone runs Silverlight 4, it'll support these.
There, done, now you can shut up and stop complaining about it missing. Thank you.
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Who's to say it'll run Silverlight 4?
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Who's to say it'll run Silverlight 4?
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Microsoft?
When? 2-3 years or later...
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does it support c&p now? no, well untill(if) they add those features, I will complain.
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Microsoft?
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does they say when? seriously I don't want to wait few years untill ms add this.
We can complain here as much as we want.
Our right as customers.
I will never agree to beeing limited yet forced to acknowledge this as having
more possibilities.
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Got a quote thats from their mouth saying itll get Silverlight 4? Cheers mate!
They will add Silverlight 4. Don't know where I heard them say that, but they did.
Nevertheless, copy&paste isn't there now and who knows how long it will take them to add it?
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Got a quote thats from their mouth saying itll get Silverlight 4? Cheers mate!
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Pretty sure they said it at MIX. I'm not going to dig through hours of video to find it though. And jeeze, you act like it's some sort of crazy idea. It's already running Silverlight 3+. Silverlight 4 was just finished recently. They don't have time to include it before launch.
It's rather illogical to say a phone based on Silverlight, wouldn't be upgraded to the latest version of Silverlight eventually.
And yes, SL4 was released 2 months after the WP7 preview
And it is silly to think that phone based only on silverlight won't support silverlight in Internet Explorer. Oh, wait
Copy and Paste took only 3 major versions of iPhone OS upgrades to be implemented. Why in 2010 I need to go back in time and live without C&P, while iPhone, Android and even Windows Mobile have it.
You know the Android implementation of copy&paste is terrible broken right? But feel free to get a Android, I'm sure the "no paid apps in Europe" makes it a GREAT alternative.
It never ceases to amaze me that people keep focus on the smallest of small issues, instead of the actual problems. I guess the truth is people are just annoyed about the alternatives being so crappy, that they have to complain about something to justify not buying the phone at first possible option.
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Pretty sure they said it at MIX. I'm not going to dig through hours of video to find it though. And jeeze, you act like it's some sort of crazy idea. It's already running Silverlight 3+. Silverlight 4 was just finished recently. They don't have time to include it before launch.
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Ok thats all I wanted to hear, sorry if I came across as prudent I just don't want to get my hopes up then be disappointed later on
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You know the Android implementation of copy&paste is terrible broken right? But feel free to get a Android, I'm sure the "no paid apps in Europe" makes it a GREAT alternative.
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Android is Google's first foray into the OS business. Microsoft has been around for decades. Windows 3.1 had c&p, Microsoft 1.0 had it (remember this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4915875929930836239#docid=-2992183880068262304) heck, even my old Commodore 64 running GEOS had it. So yes! I am a bit surprised to see such a basic feature missing in the latest Microsoft OS.
btw WP7 marketplace will only be for 17 countries and no sideloading alternative. If you could sideload, a developer can sell you the app from his website or on an alternative such as slideme
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_.../07/13/windows-phone-7-getting-connected.aspx
17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
And as I said with this topic, copy&paste is already made. It's just not supported yet, because the Silverlight 4 implementation was first finished in April.
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17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
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Gameloft can actually sell their Android games to people living in your country since they can sell from their website. They won't have to worry about app approval restrictions, paying a share of their profits to anyone, or the race to the bottom where everything ends up selling for under $1.
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Gameloft can actually sell their Android games to people living in your country since they can sell from their website. They won't have to worry about app approval restrictions, paying a share of their profits to anyone, or the race to the bottom where everything ends up selling for under $1.
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And have to do their own marketing, setup a payment site and distribution channel, and deal with piracy!
And they can't sell apps directly on the phone, but have to guide users to a often long and complicated website url, and a site that's probably not even optimized for mobile phones.
You don't see the big issues here? Distribution and marketing is much much bigger issues than anything else.
Its not the same,
for instance if you send me an email with a coupon code in it, and now I want to paste that on the website of the specified vendor, I cant do it. Outlook doesn't support copy, and IE doesn't support paste.
Oh no!! i am compelled to either remember an 8 digit alpha numeric code (or write it down, sounds pretty primitive to me). What if it was an mailing address on a website that you wanted to email a friend - that's even worse.
I see no reason to stop complaining yet.
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17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
And as I said with this topic, copy&paste is already made. It's just not supported yet, because the Silverlight 4 implementation was first finished in April.
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I have a complaint about this too. The phone 'phones home' to check if the application is valid. As a developer this is awesome, but as a phone user, I am worried about my data package.
For instance if I install a world clock app, as a result every time i check launch the app to check the time in Denmark, I use bandwidth.
In the states this might not be a problem, but in other countries, data can be expensive.
I hope the implementation of phoning home is elegant, and not burdonsome
here is a howto on activating your live services
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10566003#post10566003
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Damn, Craigslist here I come. The HD2 is awesome.
This is amazing... Only thing that would scare me is Microsoft finding out. We've seen how strict they can be with their policies, especially taking actions towards your Live account on Xbox... So I'd hate for this to lead to some accounts becoming suspended or penalized for using "hacked consoles" in a way...
Other than that, this is great... This is why I keep my older phones... Of course this is no use to me, but it gives HD2 users new life... Let's see how many of them stop bashing WP7 now that they have it
FiyaFleye said:
This is amazing... Only thing that would scare me is Microsoft finding out. We've seen how strict they can be with their policies, especially taking actions towards your Live account on Xbox... So I'd hate for this to lead to some accounts becoming suspended or penalized for using "hacked consoles" in a way...
Other than that, this is great... This is why I keep my older phones... Of course this is no use to me, but it gives HD2 users new life... Let's see how many of them stop bashing WP7 now that they have it
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They can't touch you if you have Android on it. That's one reason I want to go with Android on my HD7 rather than do temporary hacks on it. But having a WP7 device, I have no desire to use it on my HD2. It just isn't that good to me now that the newness has work off.
I hope microsoft finds a way to block this quickly, just gonna lead to more hacking, then comes free paid apps, then comes a lack of good developers due to no financial plus-side, then comes the OS being just a prettier version of android....
MartyLK said:
They can't touch you if you have Android on it. That's one reason I want to go with Android on my HD7 rather than do temporary hacks on it. But having a WP7 device, I have no desire to use it on my HD2. It just isn't that good to me now that the newness has work off.
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I was referring to the HD2 with WP7 as the hacked console... Hopefully the people who use it don't get hammered by Microsoft
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I hope microsoft finds a way to block this quickly, just gonna lead to more hacking, then comes free paid apps, then comes a lack of good developers due to no financial plus-side, then comes the OS being just a prettier version of android....
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Be careful, don't say this too loud, I was just attacked by some very close-minded users in another thread about it... People just don't understand, Microsoft doesn't have Apples marketing ability to overcome the blast that will come from all of these hacks. Even if you were being sarcastic, couldn't tell.
But I do think this is good for the HD2 users, at least it gives them hope for the expensive device some of them are bound to.
Nah, I'm 100 percent serious. I support third party applications no problem but getting paid apps for free is crap. Who wants to dev for a platform that can get their games for free?
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Nah, I'm 100 percent serious. I support third party applications no problem but getting paid apps for free is crap. Who wants to dev for a platform that can get their games for free?
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Ask MS about Windows? All versions? Ask developers about any platform? It isn't that big of a deal.
vetvito said:
Ask MS about Windows? All versions? Ask developers about any platform? It isn't that big of a deal.
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And every one of them continues to try and fix their holes. Unfortunately most OSes had crap security to work off of to begin with and its hard building on top of crap. Windows had fair security and im hoping they can fend off the people getting free apps at least for the Xbox live games or else we may never get ports of our favorite games to WP7
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And every one of them continues to try and fix their holes. Unfortunately most OSes had crap security to work off of to begin with and its hard building on top of crap. Windows had fair security and im hoping they can fend off the people getting free apps at least for the Xbox live games or else we may never get ports of our favorite games to WP7
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I don't think it has anything to do with getting paid apps free. Android has some of the best games going that people are ripping off right and left and devs continue to develop for it.
this has nothing to do with hacking apps , the code they use will be connected to the live account they use.
the os isn't hacked , only ms his market place on the pc hacked to download app's to the pc (they can fix it 10 sec, so don't ask me way they didn't fixed it)
you can see the hd2 got a legal update (not cracked what so ever ) from a illegal place
Could someone point me to a Windows 7 Rom for Hd2
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demon187 said:
Could someone point me to a Windows 7 Rom for Hd2
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=912416
Wp7 hd2 illegal
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Damn, Craigslist here I come. The HD2 is awesome.
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Really amazing, but... ILLEGAL
I've recently sideloaded kinectimals the sims 3 and PES2011. As i played those games i earned arcievements but only on DFT ROM 7720 v2.
Did somebody else had with these games Xbox live arcivements ?
You can look at my xbl account: joseastrada999
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tessut
Are you sure? this is great!))
Stop piracy!!!!
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nanoware said:
Stop piracy!!!!
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why are you saying that ?
Zloy Pryanik said:
tessut
Are you sure? this is great!))
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try it out but do not post any xap's here in the forum !
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why are you saying that ?
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Sideloading a game sounds like the game is being pirated. There is no supported method to buy a game then sideload it in the WP7 marketplace.
The only way that this is possably legal is if the OP paid for the game, then sideloaded it but, even then it's questionable.
As I am wondering how this works, it's stil a questionable in a legal aspect, so I will not continue the discussion.
Personally, this promotes piracy (with the DFT rom you can still get achivements off downloaded Xbox live games) and this thread should be closed...if not deleted.
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Sideloading a game sounds like the game is being pirated. There is no supported method to buy a game then sideload it in the WP7 marketplace.
The only way that this is possably legal is if the OP paid for the game, then sideloaded it but, even then it's questionable.
As I am wondering how this works, it's stil a questionable in a legal aspect, so I will not continue the discussion.
Personally, this promotes piracy (with the DFT rom you can still get achivements off downloaded Xbox live games) and this thread should be closed...if not deleted.
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+1. Honestly, I can't comprehend why people - running a round with a device worth a couple of a hundred dollars - refuse to pay 2 or 3 dollars for a game or app. That's just weak.
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+1. Honestly, I can't comprehend why people - running a round with a device worth a couple of a hundred dollars - refuse to pay 2 or 3 dollars for a game or app. That's just weak.
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ok i agree with you but if you paid a game and on the other account you did'nt buy it idont think that you will buy a game twice ?
I use DFT V1, installed DFT V2 and now i am using ansar mango rom as for now but i need more time i like more ansar mango roms since in the about and on screens looks more like the original rom
In before the close. yea sounds like those games were pirated to me. while i do agree with buying games i do not like to buy apps because something better will always come along AND it might get baked into future updates.
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In before the close. yea sounds like those games were pirated to me. while i do agree with buying games i do not like to buy apps because something better will always come along AND it might get baked into future updates.
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And that makes it okay? Gtfoh, these developers bust their asses to deliver great products to us, and some of you guys believe the world should be free. It must be nice envisioning a communist society, some of you even live in one. But, considering I'm not a communist or socialist, I think the arguments to support piracy on this forum are ridiculous. I really hope those new encryption updates by Microsoft stop this BS and ban anybody's gamertag who used a stolen game.
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And that makes it okay? Gtfoh, these developers bust their asses to deliver great products to us, and some of you guys believe the world should be free. It must be nice envisioning a communist society, some of you even live in one. But, considering I'm not a communist or socialist, I think the arguments to support piracy on this forum are ridiculous. I really hope those new encryption updates by Microsoft stop this BS and ban anybody's gamertag who used a stolen game.
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no it's not ok but if microsoft would add a better payment system there were more app/game buyers on the Windows Phone Marketplace or how do you think ?
the games played on mango ssonic , bunker buster, armor voley , attack from the dead, alpha strike .....
tessut said:
no it's not ok but if microsoft would add a better payment system there were more app/game buyers on the Windows Phone Marketplace or how do you think ?
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In fact, the payment system records what games you have bought all through. Once you would like to install it again (on same Live account), they will ask you if you would like to installed it again now as you have already paid for that.
I haven't met the double payment for the same app so far.
Even pressing "buy" still doesn't mean you have already bought and paid, instead they will ask you if you really want to pay as there is no refund for it. You may have a try.
tessut said:
no it's not ok but if microsoft would add a better payment system there were more app/game buyers on the Windows Phone Marketplace or how do you think ?
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Payment system works just fine. I've actually uninstalled and installed many apps that I've paid for. Nothing makes stealing okay.
FiyaFleye said:
Payment system works just fine. I've actually uninstalled and installed many apps that I've paid for. Nothing makes stealing okay.
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not everybody have a creditcard i would apriciate it if microsoft would add payment with microsoft points
tessut said:
not everybody have a creditcard i would apriciate it if microsoft would add payment with microsoft points
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That still is not an excuse to pirate. Most banks offer pre-paid creditcard options for this type of stuff.
Now days if you open any checking account (at least in the US) you expect to get a debit card with a Visa/Mastercard logo on it.
As I 100% agree with you, everyone thought, Xbox live=Xbox points before WP7 came out. I would like the option myself but, it should not make you pirate.
If you can afford the collection of phones that you have had or have, I am sure you can afford a $2-5 game or app here and there. If you can not, sell your smart phone and go buy a fip phone. You should not be here in the first place.
tessut said:
not everybody have a creditcard i would apriciate it if microsoft would add payment with microsoft points
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Look up Virtual/Disposable credit cards, they can be very useful even if you do have a credit card because you can get them for one time uses.
xHausx said:
Look up Virtual/Disposable credit cards, they can be very useful even if you do have a credit card because you can get them for one time uses.
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i just bought a t-mobile Card so i can Pay With my sim Card
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