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[Q] What does "Dodexed" mean?

Okay I rooted my EVO about a week or so ago and Im running the Frost ROM... I like it but I would like to check out some other ROMs and what kind of addons or MODs that are available... I keep running across the term "dodexed" and "odexed"(?) i think is what it was...Can some one please explain to me what that means...
Also what is the differance in Sense and non sense ROMs... What is aosp??
Any clairification would be helpful...
Thanks

Dude you have over one hundred posts. And they're all questions about this and that. Are you aware of the fact that there is a search bar for these forums. I have seen this question asked a lot of times. Hell I even wondered but I searched before starting a thread about it.
Dude, put in the effort and do the work. Only good things will come from doing a little research.
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this link explains it all...
http://tinyurl.com/27q5ml8

haha deathsled beat me to it. seriously though... i believe (not sure) that this is correct.
dont quote me on it. correct me if i'm wrong.
so each apk has a matching .odex file that contains stuff for it. if you flash a theme a theme (altering framework-res.apk or other app) then the odex and apk dont match and you get system failiure. so odexed roms are unthemeable. i think thats about right. google it (thanks deathsled)

ahhh got it. google is friend. posted by berzerker
Originally Posted by Berzerker
De-odex: Apk files have respective odexes that devs use to supposedly save space. Deodexing means you convert it back to a .dex file and put it back inside the apk. This allows you to easily replace files (not having to worry about odexes), but the main point was to deodex services.jar so that you can change all text to different colors (such as the clock color to white) and to deodex services.jar, you need to deodex everything.
so baisically odex is compressed more and deodexed allows for themeing.

caguirr4 said:
Dude you have over one hundred posts. And they're all questions about this and that. Are you aware of the fact that there is a search bar for these forums. I have seen this question asked a lot of times. Hell I even wondered but I searched before starting a thread about it.
Dude, put in the effort and do the work. Only good things will come from doing a little research.
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Wow, I was on my phone while at work...sorry if I thought some of the community would be nice enough to help me out instead of spending more time searching for the answers myself on the the XDA app, which I did didnt have anything come up...
The whole purpose of these forums is "Community support"...stop trying to be the forum police and try helping... besides I wasnt even talking to you...

No one wants to help someone who cant help themselves.
Try harder before posting next time please.

JayStation3 said:
Wow, I was on my phone while at work...sorry if I thought some of the community would be nice enough to help me out instead of spending more time searching for the answers myself on the the XDA app, which I did didnt have anything come up...
The whole purpose of these forums is "Community support"...stop trying to be the forum police and try helping... besides I wasnt even talking to you...
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You were talking to me. You posted a question in a public forum for the community to see. I answered because it is ridiculous to start a new thread for a question asked several times. But oh well you got your answer.
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I hate to be the guy to join in on the ragging, but as you can see, I do not have many posts, yet a few days back I was able to find the answer to the very same question you just asked, by searching for it.

SterlingGorilla said:
I hate to be the guy to join in on the ragging, but as you can see, I do not have many posts, yet a few days back I was able to find the answer to the very same question you just asked, by searching for it.
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And as I stated I would have searched it if I was at a computer... I was not so it was easier for me to just post a question... Sorry to inconvience y'all.... :/

JayStation3 said:
And as I stated I would have searched it if I was at a computer... I was not so it was easier for me to just post a question... Sorry to inconvience y'all.... :/
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were on your Evo right? There's a search button on the bottom right.....

Seems like this kind of thing is all to common in the open source scene. Same type response was given on email lists when someone asked for help back in the 90s when trying to stuff linux on an old 386 box for the s&gs. Open source is teh 1337z!!!1! But you can get help for windows sans the ass chewing. I have never understood that.
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i wouldn't sweat it, but you could probably have found that on your phone browser while not optimal. Also, you have to contend with folks that were born with all the knowledge in the world and go out of their ways to be douche bags instead of helping, welcome to XDA!!
JayStation3 said:
And as I stated I would have searched it if I was at a computer... I was not so it was easier for me to just post a question... Sorry to inconvience y'all.... :/
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Another stellar post from a macbot, wouldn't expect anything less. I guess all the folks at starbucks got a great laugh on that
deathsled said:
this link explains it all...
http://tinyurl.com/27q5ml8
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deathsled said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were on your Evo right? There's a search button on the bottom right.....
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All the flaming doesn't bother me, I can play this game all day long! I have done more than enough searching to be immune to this kind of treatment... I had a million questions in the begining and I only posted a few specific questions... and even though one can search the forums for an answer to a specific problem, more than some ppl here on XDA can't explain things clearly enough to be of any help to any one - skipping steps and being vague doesn't really help any one but yourself to raise your post count. Needless to say, most threads are useless... they 'cause more confusion than solutions. I'll keep doing what I want and you can keep flaming me 'cause you are better than me & I need a laugh every now and then...

JayStation3 said:
All the flaming doesn't bother me, I can play this game all day long! I have done more than enough searching to be immune to this kind of treatment... I had a million questions in the begining and I only posted a few specific questions... and even though one can search the forums for an answer to a specific problem, more than some ppl here on XDA can't explain things clearly enough to be of any help to any one - skipping steps and being vague doesn't really help any one but yourself to raise your post count. Needless to say, most threads are useless... they 'cause more confusion than solutions. I'll keep doing what I want and you can keep flaming me 'cause you are better than me & I need a laugh every now and then...
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try asking on the irc. very helpful and knowledgable people there.

who gets a thrill out of being a D*** to people?

I just wanted to post because i see on most threads theres usually someone has to be a cheeky arrogant **** to someone that is simply asking for help and doesn't have much knowledge.
My understanding was you came here for help and support and to try and help others is it not? But yet, when people ask for help they often get slaughtered for various reasons such as: wrong section, repeated thread, not searching properly, using the wrong punctuation etc (the last one was exagerated a bit but it wouldnt surprise me)
Basically before i came here years ago I would not have even known what Root is/does, why you would flash different ROMs etc and i have learned everything thanks to XDA and the various genious' that make it all possible.
I just dont think its right the way some people THINK they can talk/treat others and it is certainly uncalled for.
For example when i first came here I had the Xperia X10 and was very interested in the work and came across a problem when flashing someones ROM but I didnt have enough posts to reply so had to start a thread in General asking for help and the response i got you think i had just launched a nuke and killed thousands.
I know i will probably get slaughtered for this but basically i think this is a problem that should be addressed and no one else will say anything about it so i will!
And one final thing i cant understand. What could possibly make you feel good about making a **** out of others??? If you are one of these people could you kindly do me a favour and go play chicken with an incoming 12 Gauge Round from point blank range. That is all

i know some.. i can name them too.. neh, they know themselves..

Yup, one of my pet hates when the more experienced members on sites (not just here) are rude to new members.
We all started out once, treat people the way you would like to be treated!
Now p*ss off......

Use Search, you'll save thousands (of posts).

You could've used search and save us from another thread talking about helpful people
It relieves stress being a **** to others online knowing you won't get shot for it afterwards. Words from a stranger can't hurt enough for it to be an actual problem can it? There are now two active similar threads on this issue.
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When i first joined here,this is what people told me:
"If you need step by step instructions,you shouldnt be doing anathing to your phone"
"You double posted the samething"
"wth are you talking?re read the OP"
Im still am a NEWBIE,but atleast i got what i wanted.From time to time,if you ask correctly and make it seem innocent,you'll get your answer

Cat_On_Droid said:
When i first joined here,this is what people told me:
"If you need step by step instructions,you shouldnt be doing anathing to your phone"
"You double posted the samething"
"wth are you talking?re read the OP"
Im still am a NEWBIE,but atleast i got what i wanted.From time to time,if you ask correctly and make it seem innocent,you'll get your answer
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Quoted for truth.
When I joined XDA I took a couple days and just searched for what I needed, learned as much as I could and THEN asked questions.
The problem here is many of the veteran users are tired of people coming in, and in their first ever post asking for something that if they literally did 5 minutes of searching would find.
As well if you are not technical or its hard for you to understand what you're doing and why, you should reconsider rooting your phone as there is nobody but this place to come help you fix it if you screw up. And while yes it is simple to do, its also easy to screw up.
So the vets see these people come in, ask (or sometimes demand) step by step instructions because they have no clue, and have proven they can't take 5 minutes to try and figure it out themselves. They are now jaded to it after it happens at least 4 or 5 times a week, so cut them some slack.
Answer me this. Would you go out, buy a Corvette, then decide you want to supercharge it so you go to the local corvette club meet. Walk in and say "which of you guys is gonna tell me exactly how to put this supercharger on my car, and I've never turned a wrench in my life." Seriously, what happens here is the digital equivalent.

I'm just being a di** to people who deserve it, who are idiots. When you trying to join this site, you need to watch a movie about the rules and sh*t. They guy CLEARLY says that you NEED TO USE THE F-IN SEARCH BUTTON before you post. Because you're NEVER the first one asking about something big. If people just could stop ignoring that ONE SIMPLE RULE! I would def stop being a d*ck to stupid a*s people.. Thanks..

_terror_ said:
I'm just being a di** to people who deserve it, who are idiots. When you trying to join this site, you need to watch a movie about the rules and sh*t. They guy CLEARLY says that you NEED TO USE THE F-IN SEARCH BUTTON before you post. Because you're NEVER the first one asking about something big. If people just could stop ignoring that ONE SIMPLE RULE! I would def stop being a d*ck to stupid a*s people.. Thanks..
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I hate the xda search function. So i use google to search xda. I wish more people would search before asking dumb questions.

FK1983 said:
Yup, one of my pet hates when the more experienced members on sites (not just here) are rude to new members.
We all started out once, treat people the way you would like to be treated!
Now p*ss off......
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yes.but some people never think before posting

AndroHero said:
I hate the xda search function. So i use google to search xda. I wish more people would search before asking dumb questions.
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+1. I find it much faster/easier using google to search xda than the actual xda search function.
I also did the same as Rogue Leader. I spent a few days scanning through alot of threads before posting and i found most of the answers i were looking for.
Everyone understands that newbs have to start somewhere (since i was a newb/still am lol when i got the xplay) but surely most people will have been on a fourm before? Or have used google to search before? No excuses really.
In the time it takes for someone to reply or after the flaming has stopped they could have easily found the answer they were looking for.

_terror_ said:
I'm just being a di** to people who deserve it, who are idiots. When you trying to join this site, you need to watch a movie about the rules and sh*t. They guy CLEARLY says that you NEED TO USE THE F-IN SEARCH BUTTON before you post. Because you're NEVER the first one asking about something big. If people just could stop ignoring that ONE SIMPLE RULE! I would def stop being a d*ck to stupid a*s people.. Thanks..
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What you decide to do or not to do does not depend on others action or doing here on xda. You choose to be rude and a ****. How come you feel this resentment. You most have an anger problem and they are just easy targets for ventilating that agro. Who are you to judge others wheter they derserve a flaming or not. You clearly state your own level of knowledge in your own post and you can whine all day long and lay the responsebility on them for you being a ****. I'm gobsmacked over people like you, you take as little responsebility as the multi posters does. Learn how to behave or shut up and don't bloody answer nor look in those threads. Do yourself that favor.
Regards Dousan...

AndroHero said:
I hate the xda search function. So i use google to search xda. I wish more people would search before asking dumb questions.
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Im with you there the XDA search is horrible. you could type in "how to root xperia play" and it could return "how to correctly use anal beads" lol
That being said i just google whatever i'm after followed by the key "XDA" at the end and im sorted

Roshi69 said:
Im with you there the XDA search is horrible. you could type in "how to root xperia play" and it could return "how to correctly use anal beads" lol
That being said i just google whatever i'm after followed by the key "XDA" at the end and im sorted
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Same here, i put "question" followed by xperia play xda usually. Unless im looking for a general android thing
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Cat_On_Droid said:
When i first joined here,this is what people told me:
"If you need step by step instructions,you shouldnt be doing anathing to your phone"
"You double posted the samething"
"wth are you talking?re read the OP"
Im still am a NEWBIE,but atleast i got what i wanted.From time to time,if you ask correctly and make it seem innocent,you'll get your answer
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That one was definitely me... But, I am pretty sure I didn't have those mistakes in the original post.
That could have all been me But that definitely was a time when there was like 100 threads asking the same question and you decided to make a whole new thread even though there were several threads just below yours that had already been answered.
I am one of those people who actually will ask google before asking the internet for answers, and it has saved me a lot of flames.
ALSO, you posted the same thread twice, maybe three times and I fkn hate people who think they will get more attention by the continuous posting of the same question! Just like the 12 year old who has been posting multi-threads asking how to fix his wi-fi in all the forums.
TBH you still annoy me... Must be the "acting innocent" thing... Grinds my gears, bro.
Some people are so lazy nowadays

subcu1ture said:
TBH you still annoy me... Must be the "acting innocent" thing... Grinds my gears, bro.
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This reminded me of Peter Griffin lol

I totally agree.
When I first joined here, I found the arrogance and rudeness of certain members truley awful.
Worse, people seemed to follow these 'respected' members like sheep.
It is like this most places on the internet, keyboard warriors are aplenty.
But even still...it still shocks and irks me the treatment I received here initially.
Since then I have found many nice, helpful and knowledgable people on these forums and have learnt to ignore the billy big shots.

Roshi69 said:
Im with you there the XDA search is horrible. you could type in "how to root xperia play" and it could return "how to correctly use anal beads" lol
That being said i just google whatever i'm after followed by the key "XDA" at the end and im sorted
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Anal beads run Android? Man droid really does do "everything"!

But when you type in your "title" when you create a new thread, other threads with the same name pops up. So if you start typing like "How do i ROOT my xperia play?" I'll promise you that some threads about the exact same topic will pop up

if you want to use google search inside the xda forum, use this chain in google: "site:http://forum.xda-developers.com/" + the thing you want to search. For example:
site:http://forum.xda-developers.com/ rooting xperia play
Of course, this applies to any other website.

Does anybody freaking read or search before asking all these questions???

I consider myself a noob, I'm definitely far from even being considered a dev, and I can answer half of the questions I see on this forum from RESEARCH I've done scouting around the forums and actually reading the threads. Did anybody read the sticky about before you post??? Just sayin' come on ppl, I read these things to LEARN and I'm getting tired of having to skim through all the repetitive garbage to find something new and/or useful.
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I read these things to LEARN and I'm getting tired of having to skim through all the repetitive garbage to find something new and/or useful.
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isnt that a part of research?

While some days I would be inclined to agree with you...
Two things come to mind:
Isn't this post a contribution to garbage posts? Really? Yet another post that I, and everyone has to "skim through" before finding the answer we are looking for?
Lighten the f*ck up. Talk about a first world problem.
Like you've never had a hard time figuring out a new forum/technology/device/community, needed basic help, been a noob. Like we ALL have. Give the noobs some help, a kind suggestion where to get an answer, an Example of how they might have used search to find the answer, perhaps a quick Constructive response on proper forum etiquette and good form.
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kingdazy said:
While some days I would be inclined to agree with you...
Two things come to mind:
Isn't this post a contribution to garbage posts? Really? Yet another post that I, and everyone has to "skim through" before finding the answer we are looking for?
Lighten the f*ck up. Talk about a first world problem.
Like you've never had a hard time figuring out a new forum/technology/device/community, needed basic help, been a noob. Like we ALL have. Give the noobs some help, a kind suggestion where to get an answer, an Example of how they might have used search to find the answer, perhaps a quick Constructive response on proper forum etiquette and good form.
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Cannot agree with you more people should stop wasting their time saying "look it up" and use that time to actually help the noobs

kingdazy;23476469
Isn't this post a contribution to garbage posts? [/QUOTE said:
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ahoyt05 said:
I consider myself a noob, I'm definitely far from even being considered a dev, and I can answer half of the questions I see on this forum from RESEARCH I've done scouting around the forums and actually reading the threads. Did anybody read the sticky about before you post??? Just sayin' come on ppl, I read these things to LEARN and I'm getting tired of having to skim through all the repetitive garbage to find something new and/or useful.
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If you had used search, you'd have seen that this thread already exists. A lot.

juanshashko said:
If you had used search, you'd have seen that this thread already exists. A lot.
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If you've ever used search, you understand why no one uses search....

ahoyt05 said:
I consider myself a noob, I'm definitely far from even being considered a dev, and I can answer half of the questions I see on this forum from RESEARCH I've done scouting around the forums and actually reading the threads. Did anybody read the sticky about before you post??? Just sayin' come on ppl, I read these things to LEARN and I'm getting tired of having to skim through all the repetitive garbage to find something new and/or useful.
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WE have a thanks button on here but wheres the DISLIKE button for me people like this...
Like everyone else has said already if you would actually do all the searching you say you do then you would have answered your own question since what you posted has been posted/said/stated many times already. This board is meant for people to help each other out in one way or another not for A$$es like you to try to bash or say dumb things to people that are barely learning.

Points taken and true
Guess I just had to blow off some steam, I was looking for a particular thread that had some answers in it that I needed and was getting frustrated, and yes I was using the search.
I do try to help where/when I can. I was going to quote everybody but if ppl read the thread they'll see that I'm replying to everyone who posted besides myself. I'm going to go get a cup of coffee to enjoy with my humble pie now....
I tried to thank all who posted but I think I reached my limit so...Thanks

I realize this may not appease yours (or others) frustration, but sometimes people ask again because other threads pertaining to the same subject have become so huge it would take hours to search for the answer. I work full time, actually right now I work full time and a half and while I do my best to seek out existing answers I will, at times, just ask and take a chance that someone will be helpful enough to answer rather than saying "just search".
If you've ever worked in tech support then you'd understand that part of the 'job' is repetition, answering the same question, giving the same advice, over and over and over again.
Yes I agree it's good for people to look around, read up on what's out there but when threads become full of back and forth chit chat (which I tend to enjoy reading lol) it makes it harder to find the answer you are looking for, especially if you are on limited time.

Esoteric68 said:
I realize this may not appease yours (or others) frustration, but sometimes people ask again because other threads pertaining to the same subject have become so huge it would take hours to search for the answer. I work full time, actually right now I work full time and a half and while I do my best to seek out existing answers I will, at times, just ask and take a chance that someone will be helpful enough to answer rather than saying "just search".
If you've ever worked in tech support then you'd understand that part of the 'job' is repetition, answering the same question, giving the same advice, over and over and over again.
Yes I agree it's good for people to look around, read up on what's out there but when threads become full of back and forth chit chat (which I tend to enjoy reading lol) it makes it harder to find the answer you are looking for, especially if you are on limited time.
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Actually I generally like the back and forth also, I was using the search and couldn't tell you how many results I got, then trying o filter through them all...UGH!!! I went back to it after my little rant and eventually found what I was looking for, but again...UGH!!!
Never worked in tech. support and don't want to, though one warehouse I worked at I did become the "IT" guy everybody came to before they actually put in a help ticket.
I'm self taught through the help menus and forums in all things tech that I do so I've spent countless hours on my laptop or phone at some truck stop in BFE with a crappy wifi signal that I have to pay by the hour for or very slow data connections trying to figure things out or get some fix/rom/mod/program downloaded. Or just waiting for pages to load so I can read to find out if there's an answer there for me.
and again the humble pie was deserved and probably needed, everyone should have some on occasion, I'm not above admitting that I was wrong.

orb360 said:
If you've ever used search, you understand why no one uses search....
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Exactly!!! LOL! Especially when using the Tapatalk or Xda app.
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This is my kind of subject.... Guys you do know that you can use Google to find stuff on xda. Put your search words in with xda at the end. Just because your a noob here does that mean you have to be a noob in regards to searching the web. How did you find xda how did you find epic touch thread...? No problem helping others who want to help themselves. I know a lot of you say just keep answering the same question but really trying and help yourself....
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juanshashko said:
If you had used search, you'd have seen that this thread already exists. A lot.
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Google is your friend. I have learned how to theme decompile fix XML files and a host of other things by using Google. So much info on the web its not funny...
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playya said:
Google is your friend. I have learned how to theme decompile fix XML files and a host of other things by using Google. So much info on the web its not funny...
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Couldn't agree more, that's how I learned most of what I know.
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ahoyt05 said:
Couldn't agree more, that's how I learned most of what I know.
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Me too. I agree with your and playaas posts. It get old seeing the same questions asked all the time.
If anyone needs any help with the epic touch hit me up on Gtalk @musclehead84

Suggestion to add to the XDA site.

I think this forum is the greatest for modding our phones. Many thanks to all the developers and the XDA staff!!!
I am still a noob even after 2 years of reading and installing some of the customizations on this forum. Some of the threads I read through need a lot of clarification. Most of them just assume everyone has knowledge of what to do and write just a minimalistic install forcing anyone without such knowledge to ask questions like, How, therefore getting snide remarks added to the posts unnecessarily.
My suggestion to you, XDA, would be to add and sticky a glossary and description of the processes that are needed and have to be performed thus eliminating the recursive and negative posts others likely post about noobs. All they have to do is point such a person to the correct link, the glossary.
I have searched through this site looking for such and all I could find was a single thread asking the same.I apologize if this is in the wrong forum.

Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=265
Falling that, a Google search will generally give you the info you need.
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I agree, I've been an iphone user for years and just recently changed to android so I'm a big noob, but kind of afraid to ask a question seeing if it s common knowledge you're just being held out as a moron.
Some kind of section for "how to" in general would be nice.

elprincipe said:
I agree, I've been an iphone user for years and just recently changed to android so I'm a big noob, but kind of afraid to ask a question seeing if it s common knowledge you're just being held out as a moron.
Some kind of section for "how to" in general would be nice.
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Check out XDA university, it has some basic how to guides to get folks started.
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You can ask your "newbie" questions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1878241
Though basic rule, search first!
I've been meaning to have the thread converted to a "Ask any question thread", so if a mod (Hey CTM!) can do me a favor and give me second post of that thread, I'll be grateful
The OP is a friend, and he has agreed to let me have the second post.
If it picks up, I'll either ask for the OP, or have a new sticky (don't wanna clutter the area atm)

conantroutman said:
Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=265
Falling that, a Google search will generally give you the info you need.
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That link doesn't provide anything. It's cluttered.
My suggestion is a single post so a user doesn't have to go all over the net (Google) to find something he isn't sure the editor/poster has efficient knowledge of. Such as, if I said to you I know how to tear your phone down and put it back together, would you trust me?
Just an example;
Android
is a Linux-based operating system designed primarily for touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablet computers
Flashing
is also referred to as reprogramming.
This is a link of just the sort I was looking for and asking to be a stickied thred here http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/beginner/android-rom-and-rooting-dictionary-for-beginners/

Now that's a site that helps a noob like me. Easy, straight to it.
Duff man never dies.. Only the actors who play him.

elprincipe said:
Now that's a site that helps a noob like me. Easy, straight to it.
Duff man never dies.. Only the actors who play him.
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Exactly. Needs more to it though.

Unlockr
Hello.
Another site that can help you is "theunlockr.com".
I saw there a lot of videos "How to".
Bye.

djeordje said:
Hello.
Another site that can help you is "theunlockr.com".
I saw there a lot of videos "How to".
Bye.
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If I wanted to watch videos of how to, I go to QBKING77'S You Tube or his site.

Razorwindmo46 said:
If I wanted to watch videos of how to, I go to QBKING77'S You Tube or his site.
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Haha I've seen quite a few of QBKING77's videos already. He's useful no doubt.
Duff man never dies.. Only the actors who play him.

Can u add ability to save your favorite when u log in not saving at all on the xda premium app or site
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tech7 said:
Can u add ability to save your favorite when u log in not saving at all on the xda premium app or site
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Once you reply it is in your Profile, Show Statistics. Not sure how long it stays in there.

Like this forum but don't

Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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I'm probably one of those guys that sometimes gives snarky responses. I really am trying to be nice and help the person find what they are looking for. That's 90% of the reason I post on here: I remember what it's like to not know much and to come to this community with very little knowledge.
That being said, I also hope people would follow the rules when posting, one of which is to search before starting a thread. I completely understand the complaints of people saying that there's too many threads on this site and it's difficult to find what you're looking for with search, but making a thread that's identical to an existing one is compounding the problem.
The way I try to help out with the problem is to take the time to write out a full response (not just give a link) and to (hopefully gently) point out that this topic has been covered and to look at the correct thread. I know Cnexus and I have been pretty good about this, although sometimes the deluge of MB1 update threads do make me a little short-tempered, and for that, I apologize.
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You fine man I understand the rules and read them so I know personally to search before asking and when posting make sure its in the right section.... as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
But yes it is annoying when people ask / post same stuff that's been posted already 400 times before them again people should just be nice " hey man that question / concern / opinion has been posted already please search google and forums thank you "
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otterboxfan4l said:
You fine man I understand the rules and read them so I know personally to search before asking and when posting make sure its in the right section.... as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
But yes it is annoying when people ask / post same stuff that's been posted already 400 times before them again people should just be nice " hey man that question / concern / opinion has been posted already please search google and forums thank you "
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I know that the user is traditionally at fault (the old IT adage of PBMAC - the Problem Between Monitor and Chair), but I also think it's partially the fault of the xda app on the phone. The search function on there is so woefully inept that I have only used it once or twice (and have never found what I was looking for). On the other hand, when creating a thread on the PC, the website even gives you a list of similar threads that might help you out. There are many times where I've been creating a thread and when I put in the title, a half dozen similar threads popped up with the exact answer I was looking for. I know coding this into the android app would be difficult (if not impossible), but it must be noted that almost all of the MB1 update threads had the "sent from the XDA app..." tag at the bottom. I still tell them to search before posting, but I honestly can't blame them because of the apps search function's shortcomings.

Hi
To respond to the first part about allowing abuse...we don't. But bear in mind we have 5 milllion users, 50000 new posts a day and moderators that are constantly moving questions from the wrong section, breaking up childish nerd fights, responding to reported posts, investigating kang issues, and trying to have a job, family and life. We are not reading every post that enters XDA. We respond to reports by users. And every mod action requires several minutes of "paperwork" to document what was done.
Now to the post about searching, yup app search stinks, however if you switch to browser view there are more search options available as well as googling and adding XDA in the search parameter. The phone is quite large so searching through browser view or just with google is a lot easier than in days past.
In most cases like with football, the person throwing the last punch draws the penalty. It takes 2 to argue but just one is needed to keep it going.
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I don't care about noob questions. what make me mad is when there is 5 "what is the best rom" threads on the first page. Stuff that you could easily flip through a couple pages and find an answer to is what angers me.
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CrfEpic4g said:
I don't care about noob questions. what make me mad is when there is 5 "what is the best rom" threads on the first page. Stuff that you could easily flip through a couple pages and find an answer to is what angers me.
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I agree. I hate that question just for the fact what I like you may not like. Just take a hand full of roms and test them out. Lol
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Dude..........
otterboxfan4l said:
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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The only thing I find aggravating here or ANY forum is the word "respect". Much respect......have respect......yo bro respect to this guy or that guy! What freakin ever! We aren't 1% bikers here. So why are we throwing that word in every sentence. We are all men amongst men(or women). Respect is a given. Let's quit with the manzy panzy complaints and start tweaking our phones to the fullest.
Just my two cents.......do I need a paypal for that? LMAO!]
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kennyglass123 said:
Hi
To respond to the first part about allowing abuse...we don't. But bear in mind we have 5 milllion users, 50000 new posts a day and moderators that are constantly moving questions from the wrong section, breaking up childish nerd fights, responding to reported posts, investigating kang issues, and trying to have a job, family and life. We are not reading every post that enters XDA. We respond to reports by users. And every mod action requires several minutes of "paperwork" to document what was done.
Now to the post about searching, yup app search stinks, however if you switch to browser view there are more search options available as well as googling and adding XDA in the search parameter. The phone is quite large so searching through browser view or just with google is a lot easier than in days past.
In most cases like with football, the person throwing the last punch draws the penalty. It takes 2 to argue but just one is needed to keep it going.
Thanks
Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
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Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...

Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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No, its a volunteer system basically :beer:
jpgranger said:
If I may, I think we are all big boys and girls on this website. I would never take anything said here offensively. I will forget about all of you as soon as I log off.
The only thing I find aggravating here or ANY forum is the word "respect". Much respect......have respect......yo bro respect to this guy or that guy! What freakin ever! We aren't 1% bikers here. So why are we throwing that word in every sentence. We are all men amongst men(or women). Respect is a given. Let's quit with the manzy panzy complaints and start tweaking our phones to the fullest.
Just my two cents.......do I need a paypal for that? LMAO!]
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You say that, but you'd be surprised at some of the things I see posted here every day
And its difficult NOT to take offense when you find your mental capacity, ability to do something, or your integrity insulted. And the majority of the time, people will attack one of above

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Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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The only payment they get is that lovely thanks button at the bottom of every post.

Oh forgot about the most important perk of being a mod
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The only payment they get is that lovely thanks button at the bottom of every post.
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This^

Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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Bwahahaha! Thanks for that laugh!
No. All volunteer because we care about the site and helping others.
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What's frustrating is all of these rule quoters that do nothing but add to the spam. Just answer the question then point them in the right direction or just ignore the post...

There is a saying you can led a horse to water but you can't force them to drink. But if can shoot the f*cker if he is too stubborn

I know sometimes when I was new to this forum (i am not a developer), I would get irritated when posting a question and you would see a lot of "views" but no replies/posts with any help. But you have to realize (as I did), as smart as these guys are, sometimes, nobody knows the answer to your question! So posting "crickets crickets" or something else snarky to that effect won't help you get an answer either. Most people are nice enough to help and will either post a link that you may have overlooked, or a real answer (or at least acknowledge your existence)...so in that case just be patient for an answer. Alot of the times when you google search, maybe you did not type in just the right terms and didn't get the link you were looking for.

otterboxfan4l said:
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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Ok I'm going to be the other "other" 50% whose pet peeves is when people author forum posts with little to no punctuation, commas, apostrophes, structure, periods, capitalization, etc.

LordLugard said:
Ok I'm going to be the other "other" 50% whose pet peeves is when people author forum posts with little to no punctuation, commas, apostrophes, structure, periods, capitalization, etc.
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Lol i thought that was just me

otterboxfan4l said:
as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
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So it bothers you that they held your hand instead of spoon feeding you the answer? Talk about first world problems... If they were really being anal about the rules then that link would take you to www.google.com and you'd be on your own for the search terms - be grateful that they held your hand as much as they did
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What's frustrating is all of these rule quoters that do nothing but add to the spam. Just answer the question then point them in the right direction or just ignore the post...
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If we just answer the question, we encourage further infractions... It would be kind of like banks taking a policy of giving money to anyone who threatens to rob the bank - we would have more robbers, not less...
Ignoring them almost inevitably leads to more noise from them, not less, so that won't fix their broken understanding of the rules...
But if we add to that spam now, there is a chance that someday, maybe it will end... It isn't likely, but I would rather have the rules on my side
I don't enable people to hide behind excuses - every search on the Internet isn't broken, they just require a little effort (almost as much effort as creating a new post, lol)
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styles420 said:
So it bothers you that they held your hand instead of spoon feeding you the answer? Talk about first world problems... If they were really being anal about the rules then that link would take you to www.google.com and you'd be on your own for the search terms - be grateful that they held your hand as much as they did
If we just answer the question, we encourage further infractions... It would be kind of like banks taking a policy of giving money to anyone who threatens to rob the bank - we would have more robbers, not less...
Ignoring them almost inevitably leads to more noise from them, not less, so that won't fix their broken understanding of the rules...
But if we add to that spam now, there is a chance that someday, maybe it will end... It isn't likely, but I would rather have the rules on my side
I don't enable people to hide behind excuses - every search on the Internet isn't broken, they just require a little effort (almost as much effort as creating a new post, lol)
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How about just showing people how well searching works and provide them proof of it's efficiency by linking them to your search results. This both; enlightens the user of search functionality, while also assisting them with their question.