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Tired of needing an asbestos suit when asking a question?

Anyone that has been reading the Dev section or been in the IRC chat has probably seen plenty of flaming going on by some people that think they're Elite compared to everyone else. If you think another chatroom would be nice for users to get help when needed without fear of getting banned, flamed, yelled at, told to STFU, ridiculed or more, then let's set it up.
XDA is about a community of users and devs helping each other to tweak their phones as a hobby. Let's get the friendliness back into these forums and start helping each other out.
There's quite a few options for IRC chat, EFnet, Undernet, Mibbit, Freenode, etc. What's everyone's preference? I'm also voting myself NOT to be an Op, I have limited time available between working 50-60 hours a week, having time for my wife and kids, and doing Android app development on the side.
-Daryel

If I can ever help. PLEASE don't hesitate to ask.
Great post....
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Excellent idea.
I've also wondered if it might be helpful to have a separate E4GT Q&A forum (similar to what's set up for the international SGS2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1148

geekaren said:
Excellent idea.
I've also wondered if it might be helpful to have a separate E4GT Q&A forum (similar to what's set up for the international SGS2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1148
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Once we have 1,000 threads in General or 10,000 posts in General we'll be able to split that out - XDA rules.

Glad to hear a Q&A forum will be an option in future.
Thanks, jerdog!

not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.

Perhaps if everyone searched for their issue, took some initiative, and did some research before posting they would get flamed a lot less.

henbone11 said:
not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.
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Oh, I know I was banned for asking why an Op didn't update his thread to make things a little more clearer so there would be fewer questions on it. It's when 4 other people jumped into the conversation and started calling me an idiot, a f-ing indian, and more that things went way overboard.
It's not just me though, look through all the chat logs and you will see a repeated pattern of attacks by anyone coming into the chat room to ask about the LOS problem, or wants to ask about Rev B, or has a question about a ROM. It's usually 1 or 2 Ops jumping down the user's throat telling them to "STFU" and then kicking them out.
Anyone voicing their opinion usually gets kicked if it doesn't match the opinions of the Ops. I'm sorry, but the playground has been taken over by a bunch of bullies that sit waiting to tell someone to F-off. That's why we're looking at possibly making a new playground. If you don't like it, don't come. If you want to discuss this more, do it in PM.
-Daryel

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not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.
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While I wasn't privy to what you are referring to, have to agree that in general this is a very true statement. I'm not taking sides here at all but in my experience this is a common concern across the boards, regardless of devices.
XDA is a development community but we would be nothing without a user base. We need to lead by example and do our best to be patient with those that are new to the game. We were all there once.
With that said, as a newer user you have a responsibility to research, read, search and read some more before you start asking questions that have been answered over and over again. I'm a patient guy and I love helping people that need help but it honestly does get a bit rough when people don't take the time to at least try to learn before bombarding you with questions about your ROM when the answers are in the OP. If the user would have taken the time to read they would have found what they were looking for. You have to understand that you are one of many people asking the same questions over and over again. So if your met in an unpleasant way, sometimes thats why. Not that it makes it right but maybe just a bit of insight.
We need to all work together and make this community worth participating in.
At the end of the day, all this stuff is about a phone. Trust me, there are much bigger and more important things in life to worry about than a phone......

Well hit 1ooo threads by the end of the week
But there is probably 1oooo post by now
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xak944 said:
Perhaps if everyone searched for their issue, took some initiative, and did some research before posting they would get flamed a lot less.
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You make a great point, but it doesn't matter. Someone could ask a question after spending days searching for an answer and still get flamed. These no way to know if someone has taken the time to search, so people that are really trying to learn and have put the time in themselves are getting lumped into the same group as those to lazy to use the search button.

Actually, I was present in irc for the exchange.
I had the same confusion as daryelv with regards to the question he was asking, and it's not because "i cant red gud." In fact, if daryelv hadn't asked the question, then I wouldn't have flashed the rom due to the confusion. So I, for one, benefited from the clarification.
But when he pointed out the source of the confusion, he did get flamed and it did turn racist. It's too bad, because it was all really over an outdated sentence in the rom thread disclaimer, and it was pretty unnecessary.
I get the hard work that devs put into their projects; I wouldn't want to be bothered with dumb questions either. But there was a genuine confusion and a lack of receptiveness in hearing about it.

To be honest, douchebaggery is rampant at most android forums. Take a gender at the CM7 port for the touchpad thread at rootzwiki.
Ill credit it to the expansion of android
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fadetobolivia said:
Actually, I was present in irc for the exchange.
I had the same confusion as daryelv with regards to the question he was asking, and it's not because "i cant red gud." In fact, if daryelv hadn't asked the question, then I wouldn't have flashed the rom due to the confusion. So I, for one, benefited from the clarification.
But when he pointed out the source of the confusion, he did get flamed and it did turn racist. It's too bad, because it was all really over an outdated sentence in the rom thread disclaimer, and it was pretty unnecessary.
I get the hard work that devs put into their projects; I wouldn't want to be bothered with dumb questions either. But there was a genuine confusion and a lack of receptiveness in hearing about it.
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I had this very same discussion back in the Epic 4G forums earlier in the year. Something that everyone needs to understand is that the developers are no better than anyone else. Everyone in the community plays a role.
I would argue that the developers should be setting the example of how to conduct one's self and not fall victim to the god complex that has affected some of us. I always throw my friend k0nane under the bus at times like this not because of anything he has done wrong but because of the example he sets. He is easily one of the best developers I've met and yet he treats everyone with respect and affords them the dignity that they deserve.
There will always be a-holes out there but if you lower yourselves to there level than your no better than they are.
As developers, we need to remember that we are no better than anyone else. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect whether they are developing or simply asking an honest question.
Please remember that the Epic Touch 4G is only a phone. Life is way bigger than this and if the biggest thing you have to worry about is flashing a phone than count yourself lucky.
This is way to early in the cycle to have the forums going down the toilet. Take control back and lead by example. You should NOT be afraid to ask a question, especially if you tried to find the answer or simply need clarification.
While I'm far from the best developer I do always try to respond to everyone's questions and PM's. Hit my up on my blog and send me an email. I'll get back to you when I can. Please don't ever be afraid to ask me a question.
Let's keep this community moving forward.

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daryelv said:
Oh, I know I was banned for asking why an Op didn't update his thread to make things a little more clearer so there would be fewer questions on it. It's when 4 other people jumped into the conversation and started calling me an idiot, a f-ing indian, and more that things went way overboard.
It's not just me though, look through all the chat logs and you will see a repeated pattern of attacks by anyone coming into the chat room to ask about the LOS problem, or wants to ask about Rev B, or has a question about a ROM. It's usually 1 or 2 Ops jumping down the user's throat telling them to "STFU" and then kicking them out.
Anyone voicing their opinion usually gets kicked if it doesn't match the opinions of the Ops. I'm sorry, but the playground has been taken over by a bunch of bullies that sit waiting to tell someone to F-off. That's why we're looking at possibly making a new playground. If you don't like it, don't come. If you want to discuss this more, do it in PM.
-Daryel
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It's because all of these things have been answered, or there's a thread dedicated directly to it. It takes only a few seconds to search. I'm not a dev and I already find it irritating seeing 5 new threads about the same thing every day. If people would simply search on the forums, or even do a quick Google search, I'm 100% sure they'll find the answer to any questions about any of the topics you just brought up.
ptfdmedic said:
I had this very same discussion back in the Epic 4G forums earlier in the year. Something that everyone needs to understand is that the developers are no better than anyone else. Everyone in the community plays a role.
I would argue that the developers should be setting the example of how to conduct one's self and not fall victim to the god complex that has affected some of us. I always throw my friend k0nane under the bus at times like this not because of anything he has done wrong but because of the example he sets. He is easily one of the best developers I've met and yet he treats everyone with respect and affords them the dignity that they deserve.
There will always be a-holes out there but if you lower yourselves to there level than your no better than they are.
As developers, we need to remember that we are no better than anyone else. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect whether they are developing or simply asking an honest question.
Please remember that the Epic Touch 4G is only a phone. Life is way bigger than this and if the biggest thing you have to worry about is flashing a phone than count yourself lucky.
This is way to early in the cycle to have the forums going down the toilet. Take control back and lead by example. You should NOT be afraid to ask a question, especially if you tried to find the answer or simply need clarification.
While I'm far from the best developer I do always try to respond to everyone's questions and PM's. Hit my up on my blog and send me an email. I'll get back to you when I can. Please don't ever be afraid to ask me a question.
Let's keep this community moving forward.
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Theoretically, no devs aren't better than anyone else. Realistically, yes they are. They are the people who spend hundreds of hours (unpaid) doing something that directly benefits you. I'm sure they get hundreds of the same question every single day that they've answered already. If I were a dev, spending all my time doing something for other people, then get spammed with messages because someone is too lazy to spend a few seconds of their time (when I'm spending hours of my own) searching the forums, I'd get pissed too. Have you ever donated to a dev? Have you ever even said thank you for all of their hard work? Why are the only things devs get repetitive questions and complaints?

Anyone with questions about Odin, flashing, or need help finding an apk you accidentally deleted or just have a general question, PM me anytime. It wasn't very long ago that I had to search to see what root was. Ask anyone with an Epic..I will help out in any way I can so don't hesitate to ask. On a side note, I sure am glad ptfdmedic got an ET4G...pure class and he was the same way on the Epic threads as well. That's why everyone over there respects him so much.
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i dont know what exactly happened in the IRC, buuut like someone posted earlier... there are two sides of the story so im not agreeing with anybody, BUT i will point this out...
the person asking the question was right in the sense of asking a question because s/he was confused... on the other other hand, i understand ppl here repeat a lot of questions that have an open thread on that very same subject and make devs inpatient but turning this into a racist argument was uncalled for in my opinion... what does being indian, even if the person asking the question isnt one, have to do with being confused?
seems silly to me, cuz being confused DOES NOT have anything to do with color or race! just my two cents....

I don't understand why people have to make racial comments. Not just in Daryl's story but there are other instances I saw. Nobody is better than anyone else. We all come for the same reason. If u can't handle don't log on. It would make the thread less crowded if u answered that repetitive question instead of flaming them. If anyone has anyone questions that they want to ask they can pm me as well. I know JC will go out of his way as well as ptfdmedic. There are more as well.
The Evo3D Killer!!!

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I don't understand why people have to make racial comments. Not just in Daryl's story but there are other instances I saw. Nobody is better than anyone else. We all come for the same reason. If u can't handle don't log on. It would make the thread less crowded if u answered that repetitive question instead of flaming them. If anyone has anyone questions that they want to ask they can pm me as well. I know JC will go out of his way as well as ptfdmedic. There are more as well.
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No one said there aren't people out there that are helpful, but continuing to ask the same questions that are asked in threads pretty much daily when there's a search function is pretty frustrating.
I do agree that bringing anything racial (or anything offensive) was incredibly immature and wrong. There's absolutely no reason to be rude, but people to need to be more aware of how to get answers other than spamming devs with the same questions.

Does anybody freaking read or search before asking all these questions???

I consider myself a noob, I'm definitely far from even being considered a dev, and I can answer half of the questions I see on this forum from RESEARCH I've done scouting around the forums and actually reading the threads. Did anybody read the sticky about before you post??? Just sayin' come on ppl, I read these things to LEARN and I'm getting tired of having to skim through all the repetitive garbage to find something new and/or useful.
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I read these things to LEARN and I'm getting tired of having to skim through all the repetitive garbage to find something new and/or useful.
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isnt that a part of research?

While some days I would be inclined to agree with you...
Two things come to mind:
Isn't this post a contribution to garbage posts? Really? Yet another post that I, and everyone has to "skim through" before finding the answer we are looking for?
Lighten the f*ck up. Talk about a first world problem.
Like you've never had a hard time figuring out a new forum/technology/device/community, needed basic help, been a noob. Like we ALL have. Give the noobs some help, a kind suggestion where to get an answer, an Example of how they might have used search to find the answer, perhaps a quick Constructive response on proper forum etiquette and good form.
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kingdazy said:
While some days I would be inclined to agree with you...
Two things come to mind:
Isn't this post a contribution to garbage posts? Really? Yet another post that I, and everyone has to "skim through" before finding the answer we are looking for?
Lighten the f*ck up. Talk about a first world problem.
Like you've never had a hard time figuring out a new forum/technology/device/community, needed basic help, been a noob. Like we ALL have. Give the noobs some help, a kind suggestion where to get an answer, an Example of how they might have used search to find the answer, perhaps a quick Constructive response on proper forum etiquette and good form.
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Cannot agree with you more people should stop wasting their time saying "look it up" and use that time to actually help the noobs

kingdazy;23476469
Isn't this post a contribution to garbage posts? [/QUOTE said:
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ahoyt05 said:
I consider myself a noob, I'm definitely far from even being considered a dev, and I can answer half of the questions I see on this forum from RESEARCH I've done scouting around the forums and actually reading the threads. Did anybody read the sticky about before you post??? Just sayin' come on ppl, I read these things to LEARN and I'm getting tired of having to skim through all the repetitive garbage to find something new and/or useful.
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If you had used search, you'd have seen that this thread already exists. A lot.

juanshashko said:
If you had used search, you'd have seen that this thread already exists. A lot.
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If you've ever used search, you understand why no one uses search....

ahoyt05 said:
I consider myself a noob, I'm definitely far from even being considered a dev, and I can answer half of the questions I see on this forum from RESEARCH I've done scouting around the forums and actually reading the threads. Did anybody read the sticky about before you post??? Just sayin' come on ppl, I read these things to LEARN and I'm getting tired of having to skim through all the repetitive garbage to find something new and/or useful.
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WE have a thanks button on here but wheres the DISLIKE button for me people like this...
Like everyone else has said already if you would actually do all the searching you say you do then you would have answered your own question since what you posted has been posted/said/stated many times already. This board is meant for people to help each other out in one way or another not for A$$es like you to try to bash or say dumb things to people that are barely learning.

Points taken and true
Guess I just had to blow off some steam, I was looking for a particular thread that had some answers in it that I needed and was getting frustrated, and yes I was using the search.
I do try to help where/when I can. I was going to quote everybody but if ppl read the thread they'll see that I'm replying to everyone who posted besides myself. I'm going to go get a cup of coffee to enjoy with my humble pie now....
I tried to thank all who posted but I think I reached my limit so...Thanks

I realize this may not appease yours (or others) frustration, but sometimes people ask again because other threads pertaining to the same subject have become so huge it would take hours to search for the answer. I work full time, actually right now I work full time and a half and while I do my best to seek out existing answers I will, at times, just ask and take a chance that someone will be helpful enough to answer rather than saying "just search".
If you've ever worked in tech support then you'd understand that part of the 'job' is repetition, answering the same question, giving the same advice, over and over and over again.
Yes I agree it's good for people to look around, read up on what's out there but when threads become full of back and forth chit chat (which I tend to enjoy reading lol) it makes it harder to find the answer you are looking for, especially if you are on limited time.

Esoteric68 said:
I realize this may not appease yours (or others) frustration, but sometimes people ask again because other threads pertaining to the same subject have become so huge it would take hours to search for the answer. I work full time, actually right now I work full time and a half and while I do my best to seek out existing answers I will, at times, just ask and take a chance that someone will be helpful enough to answer rather than saying "just search".
If you've ever worked in tech support then you'd understand that part of the 'job' is repetition, answering the same question, giving the same advice, over and over and over again.
Yes I agree it's good for people to look around, read up on what's out there but when threads become full of back and forth chit chat (which I tend to enjoy reading lol) it makes it harder to find the answer you are looking for, especially if you are on limited time.
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Actually I generally like the back and forth also, I was using the search and couldn't tell you how many results I got, then trying o filter through them all...UGH!!! I went back to it after my little rant and eventually found what I was looking for, but again...UGH!!!
Never worked in tech. support and don't want to, though one warehouse I worked at I did become the "IT" guy everybody came to before they actually put in a help ticket.
I'm self taught through the help menus and forums in all things tech that I do so I've spent countless hours on my laptop or phone at some truck stop in BFE with a crappy wifi signal that I have to pay by the hour for or very slow data connections trying to figure things out or get some fix/rom/mod/program downloaded. Or just waiting for pages to load so I can read to find out if there's an answer there for me.
and again the humble pie was deserved and probably needed, everyone should have some on occasion, I'm not above admitting that I was wrong.

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If you've ever used search, you understand why no one uses search....
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Exactly!!! LOL! Especially when using the Tapatalk or Xda app.
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This is my kind of subject.... Guys you do know that you can use Google to find stuff on xda. Put your search words in with xda at the end. Just because your a noob here does that mean you have to be a noob in regards to searching the web. How did you find xda how did you find epic touch thread...? No problem helping others who want to help themselves. I know a lot of you say just keep answering the same question but really trying and help yourself....
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If you had used search, you'd have seen that this thread already exists. A lot.
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Google is your friend. I have learned how to theme decompile fix XML files and a host of other things by using Google. So much info on the web its not funny...
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playya said:
Google is your friend. I have learned how to theme decompile fix XML files and a host of other things by using Google. So much info on the web its not funny...
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Couldn't agree more, that's how I learned most of what I know.
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ahoyt05 said:
Couldn't agree more, that's how I learned most of what I know.
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Me too. I agree with your and playaas posts. It get old seeing the same questions asked all the time.
If anyone needs any help with the epic touch hit me up on Gtalk @musclehead84

Helping Others

Just a message to say, that at one POINT we all were noobs at one time, what’s the since of these forums if you can’t find help here? Hell, some of the noobs (including me) may have went thru something that the old timers haven’t been thru, so I see it as any problem is good info to someone. I went thru this power struggle back in the BBS days…arg, I helped crack games and progs, ie INC and Razor911, and so on, and there were a bunch of hot heads with attitudes. I for one cherish the forums for info. But I continuously see people slam others for their lack of knowledge. Others need to realize that a problem to someone is a fix to another. MY OPINION ONLY! Should be a thread for one thing only, IF YOU BRICKED YOUR PHONE, post it here, with what and how, that will answer most of these questions, so the more experienced users can either shine or move along.

TheAxman said:
Just a message to say, that at one POINT we all were noobs at one time, what’s the since of these forums if you can’t find help here? Hell, some of the noobs (including me) may have went thru something that the old timers haven’t been thru, so I see it as any problem is good info to someone. I went thru this power struggle back in the BBS days…arg, I helped crack games and progs, ie INC and Razor911, and so on, and there were a bunch of hot heads with attitudes. I for one cherish the forums for info. But I continuously see people slam others for their lack of knowledge. Others need to realize that a problem to someone is a fix to another. MY OPINION ONLY! Should be a thread for one thing only, IF YOU BRICKED YOUR PHONE, post it here, with what and how, that will answer most of these questions, so the more experienced users can either shine or move along.
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Im the same way. I always will try to answer a question if i have a clue about it. I have gotten slammed before too just for asking questions but oh well. Every one is different, we aren't all the same.

Its a double side sword man I wouldn't flame someone but unfortunately some other people refuse to help themselves. They want answers spoon fed to them I try to search as much as I can before posting a problem and if there is a thread related to it I ask there first as well. Then you also have people posting in dev sections for request and questions because they will get more people to view their threads.
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ebatr8 said:
Its a double side sword man I wouldn't flame someone but unfortunately some other people refuse to help themselves. They want answers spoon fed to them I try to search as much as I can before posting a problem and if there is a thread related to it I ask there first as well. Then you also have people posting in dev sections for request and questions because they will get more people to view their threads.
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Half the people who get flamed dont read threads dont read how to flash or root phones properly then when they screw up they want their hand held and someone to coddle them and say its ok, waste of time tbh

Crisis - FYI if you are the second person to post in a forum thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post.

dkmdlb said:
Crisis - FYI if you are the second person to post in a forum thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post.
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Got em again coach! Lol
This has and will always be a picky subject. Can't win em all but if you know the knowledge just lead them the right way.
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chrisram88 said:
Got em again coach! Lol
This has and will always be a picky subject. Can't win em all but if you know the knowledge just lead them the right way.
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All the knowledge is already here, people just want others to find it for them and that's when the dookie hits the fan. Most users lurked and learned before even making accounts or pointless threads. I have been here since Cyanogen put out his 1st mod for the G1 and didn't make an account til a year after I had learned how to follow directions and search for answers.

ebatr8 said:
Its a double side sword man I wouldn't flame someone but unfortunately some other people refuse to help themselves. They want answers spoon fed to them I try to search as much as I can before posting a problem and if there is a thread related to it I ask there first as well. Then you also have people posting in dev sections for request and questions because they will get more people to view their threads.
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I agree, but you can tell the non-readers, like you said posting in the wrong forum would be one of them, but I saw a guy get ripped for asking a simple question about what mods work with what...just rubbed me the wrong way.

KillaHurtz said:
All the knowledge is already here, people just want others to find it for them and that's when the dookie hits the fan. Most users lurked and learned before even making accounts or pointless threads. I have been here since Cyanogen put out his 1st mod for the G1 and didn't make an account til a year after I had learned how to follow directions and search for answers.
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Agreed. I did not want to start a war, but the reply the guy got was a bunch of shi*** and were long posts about not the problem, but how he was a noob. If the person wants to rag another, don't write a 100 word post on the issue of noob, or don't post at all.

KillaHurtz said:
All the knowledge is already here, people just want others to find it for them and that's when the dookie hits the fan. Most users lurked and learned before even making accounts or pointless threads. I have been here since Cyanogen put out his 1st mod for the G1 and didn't make an account til a year after I had learned how to follow directions and search for answers.
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A great example of this is the G2x forums... The noobish questions are one after another. Same dam questing anx that's why people get irritated.
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For me personally I don't mind the flaming for the people that do stupid crap lol. Then again I also come from clubrsx which is a car forum with much more grown up people. Usually stupid questions there and noobs who do stupid things are met with incredibly funny and harsh flaming lol . On a more serious note we will always have flaming and always have silly threads because we just will noobs will never read or try to be self sufficient no matter how big the bold letters might be telling them to. I do commend the people that search first and do try to find there own answers before asking for help I've had some users pm me asking for help with stuff I totally don't mind helping someone out but I'm use to everyone I know asking me to help root and mod their phones.
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ebatr8 said:
On a more serious note we will always have flaming and always have silly threads because we just will noobs will never read or try to be self sufficient no matter how big the bold letters might be telling them to. I do commend the people that search first and do try to find there own answers before asking for help I've had some users pm me asking for help with stuff I totally don't mind helping someone out but I'm use to everyone I know asking me to help root and mod their phones.
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well if I see that they have 1 or so post, I see them at first legit questions, then, see them again post somewhere else asking stupid questions again, that would be considered to be those lazy as*** that you guys are referring to, humm, you guys have been here a long time, and seen alot, so I will keep the crap to myself. Sorry guys for bringing it up.

[Q] (READ PLEASE) Why is everyone a big DOOOSSHH?? (yes I know what i did there)

My goodness lol I know a lot about hacking, my phone, roms ,general troubleshooting and a lot of other things and also a lot about forums and the vermin that live in them. I just don't say much because I never was a forum posting guy I'm a do it my self guy. Throwing "NOOB" around to some guy/girl that just wants to know how to operate or troubleshoot his/her galaxy that he paid a great deal for is b.s. I read countless a** hole replies that don't even answer the question, a lot of the answers are just failed attempts to sound like the "cool" sarcastic guy that sits in the back of a remedial math class. I've been coming to xda since I had a g2 (never registered) and slowly and slowly the community is turning from people that would kind of help you to d**ks with a false sense of entitlement that reply with a totally unreasonable response. Yeah it's common knowledge to a lot of people but some people really don't know what they are doing and don't want a brick and need the help of this lovely community. I'm not ranting its just my opinion on whats CLEARLY going on if you don't like it f*** off and go fly a kite.
I do not support smart guys who constantly ask eta questions though.

The problem I see is that, as you say, these people don't know what they're doing and want the information handed to them.
I've never seen a post get a BAD response when the person clearly outlined their problem and explained what they already knew and why their research wasn't getting them anywhere.
The people that DON'T make posts like that need to do some research - not just have the information thrown at them for their own good. Think about if you just gave someone information on how to build and operate a bomb without them knowing how it worked and how to do it safely. Sure, they're probably not going to lose fingers - but they could brick an expensive device and it's kinder to give some tough love and pointing in the direction of research, knowledge, and understanding before they make a mess that they can't get out of.
In the words of H.P. Lovecraft : "Do not call up that which you can not put down".

Yeah I know what your saying and I agree. Just that some people ask questions live what boxes should I check in Odin, whats a zip lol, should I wipe b4 or after, what original dev, how do I root. Those a simple questions and they are common knowledge to a lot (maybe not how do I root because many things can go wrong if you derp it up). These can get simple responses or links but ppl will post turd responses like noon read the op, we answers that in 2011 look it up, just don't root. Stuff like that I'm not saying go in to depth with a dude asking about something when he doesn't ever know the dos, don'ts and risk. I know I'm not the only one there's threads about it.
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I agree 100%. The thing that irritates the F out of me is the few that run around here acting like they know it all... Then ***** and say search, then like each others post for being asshats to someone who asked a simple question that deserved a simple answer. I do occasionally call them out but it doesn't do any good.
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Lol yeah one guy asked does any one know where I can find the inverted YouTube I'm new.. A did responded Noob you'll find it in a different section. Thank me for the help.
Then a civilized guy posted a link to the apk (which is simple to find for the average user) and said to the guy above something like I think this is what you meant to do but the xda douche in you did not allow it.
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Because they think they are cool when in reality they are more noobish than the person they are replying to. There's a simple if you don't have anything good to say dont say nothing at all...but I guess their mamas didn't teach them that common sense.
For some reason they rather reply being a total dipsh*t than simply IGNORE the post. Don't get me wrong some of the replies Realy are deserving like the ones when the person constantly whines about their problem and want to b*tch aT the dev...most of the time noobs...such as my self just want simply answered because we've search and couldn't find the answers or we found an answers but it pertains to another device.
They probably didn't get much love from high school so wants to be the cool jogs here
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To all in this thread.......
Most of the moderators would appreciate it if everyone were considerate, kind and patient........BUT......... that said,
Some do act with arrogance and inconsideration, ......report them we are here to assist.
Understand that the important responsibilities of a member is to Read enough that they can understand what to ask and how to ask it.
One of the overriding problems with XDA is we (the members) are not from one country, or one culture..so, many have to use Google translator or some other method to post in in English.
This creates an additional layer of misunderstanding, which in turn, makes things even more complicated.
Couple all of this with have a bunch of adolescent kids posting as well..... and now you have described XDA.......
So, with this explanation......it basically means to be patient, polite and considerate and when others begin to troll, or flame report them, this keeps these inconsiderates participation to a minimum
Unfortunately, this is thread is way to prone to escalating a flame-war....
Thank you for posting and "venting" off some of the common frustration we all feel from time to time....
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There is also the thread below that you can link people to regarding their posting attitudes.
Posting Etiquette - Don't Anger a Developer

Like this forum but don't

Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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I'm probably one of those guys that sometimes gives snarky responses. I really am trying to be nice and help the person find what they are looking for. That's 90% of the reason I post on here: I remember what it's like to not know much and to come to this community with very little knowledge.
That being said, I also hope people would follow the rules when posting, one of which is to search before starting a thread. I completely understand the complaints of people saying that there's too many threads on this site and it's difficult to find what you're looking for with search, but making a thread that's identical to an existing one is compounding the problem.
The way I try to help out with the problem is to take the time to write out a full response (not just give a link) and to (hopefully gently) point out that this topic has been covered and to look at the correct thread. I know Cnexus and I have been pretty good about this, although sometimes the deluge of MB1 update threads do make me a little short-tempered, and for that, I apologize.
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You fine man I understand the rules and read them so I know personally to search before asking and when posting make sure its in the right section.... as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
But yes it is annoying when people ask / post same stuff that's been posted already 400 times before them again people should just be nice " hey man that question / concern / opinion has been posted already please search google and forums thank you "
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otterboxfan4l said:
You fine man I understand the rules and read them so I know personally to search before asking and when posting make sure its in the right section.... as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
But yes it is annoying when people ask / post same stuff that's been posted already 400 times before them again people should just be nice " hey man that question / concern / opinion has been posted already please search google and forums thank you "
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I know that the user is traditionally at fault (the old IT adage of PBMAC - the Problem Between Monitor and Chair), but I also think it's partially the fault of the xda app on the phone. The search function on there is so woefully inept that I have only used it once or twice (and have never found what I was looking for). On the other hand, when creating a thread on the PC, the website even gives you a list of similar threads that might help you out. There are many times where I've been creating a thread and when I put in the title, a half dozen similar threads popped up with the exact answer I was looking for. I know coding this into the android app would be difficult (if not impossible), but it must be noted that almost all of the MB1 update threads had the "sent from the XDA app..." tag at the bottom. I still tell them to search before posting, but I honestly can't blame them because of the apps search function's shortcomings.

Hi
To respond to the first part about allowing abuse...we don't. But bear in mind we have 5 milllion users, 50000 new posts a day and moderators that are constantly moving questions from the wrong section, breaking up childish nerd fights, responding to reported posts, investigating kang issues, and trying to have a job, family and life. We are not reading every post that enters XDA. We respond to reports by users. And every mod action requires several minutes of "paperwork" to document what was done.
Now to the post about searching, yup app search stinks, however if you switch to browser view there are more search options available as well as googling and adding XDA in the search parameter. The phone is quite large so searching through browser view or just with google is a lot easier than in days past.
In most cases like with football, the person throwing the last punch draws the penalty. It takes 2 to argue but just one is needed to keep it going.
Thanks
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I don't care about noob questions. what make me mad is when there is 5 "what is the best rom" threads on the first page. Stuff that you could easily flip through a couple pages and find an answer to is what angers me.
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CrfEpic4g said:
I don't care about noob questions. what make me mad is when there is 5 "what is the best rom" threads on the first page. Stuff that you could easily flip through a couple pages and find an answer to is what angers me.
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I agree. I hate that question just for the fact what I like you may not like. Just take a hand full of roms and test them out. Lol
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Dude..........
otterboxfan4l said:
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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The only thing I find aggravating here or ANY forum is the word "respect". Much respect......have respect......yo bro respect to this guy or that guy! What freakin ever! We aren't 1% bikers here. So why are we throwing that word in every sentence. We are all men amongst men(or women). Respect is a given. Let's quit with the manzy panzy complaints and start tweaking our phones to the fullest.
Just my two cents.......do I need a paypal for that? LMAO!]
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kennyglass123 said:
Hi
To respond to the first part about allowing abuse...we don't. But bear in mind we have 5 milllion users, 50000 new posts a day and moderators that are constantly moving questions from the wrong section, breaking up childish nerd fights, responding to reported posts, investigating kang issues, and trying to have a job, family and life. We are not reading every post that enters XDA. We respond to reports by users. And every mod action requires several minutes of "paperwork" to document what was done.
Now to the post about searching, yup app search stinks, however if you switch to browser view there are more search options available as well as googling and adding XDA in the search parameter. The phone is quite large so searching through browser view or just with google is a lot easier than in days past.
In most cases like with football, the person throwing the last punch draws the penalty. It takes 2 to argue but just one is needed to keep it going.
Thanks
Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
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Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...

Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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No, its a volunteer system basically :beer:
jpgranger said:
If I may, I think we are all big boys and girls on this website. I would never take anything said here offensively. I will forget about all of you as soon as I log off.
The only thing I find aggravating here or ANY forum is the word "respect". Much respect......have respect......yo bro respect to this guy or that guy! What freakin ever! We aren't 1% bikers here. So why are we throwing that word in every sentence. We are all men amongst men(or women). Respect is a given. Let's quit with the manzy panzy complaints and start tweaking our phones to the fullest.
Just my two cents.......do I need a paypal for that? LMAO!]
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You say that, but you'd be surprised at some of the things I see posted here every day
And its difficult NOT to take offense when you find your mental capacity, ability to do something, or your integrity insulted. And the majority of the time, people will attack one of above

Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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The only payment they get is that lovely thanks button at the bottom of every post.

Oh forgot about the most important perk of being a mod
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The only payment they get is that lovely thanks button at the bottom of every post.
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This^

Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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Bwahahaha! Thanks for that laugh!
No. All volunteer because we care about the site and helping others.
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What's frustrating is all of these rule quoters that do nothing but add to the spam. Just answer the question then point them in the right direction or just ignore the post...

There is a saying you can led a horse to water but you can't force them to drink. But if can shoot the f*cker if he is too stubborn

I know sometimes when I was new to this forum (i am not a developer), I would get irritated when posting a question and you would see a lot of "views" but no replies/posts with any help. But you have to realize (as I did), as smart as these guys are, sometimes, nobody knows the answer to your question! So posting "crickets crickets" or something else snarky to that effect won't help you get an answer either. Most people are nice enough to help and will either post a link that you may have overlooked, or a real answer (or at least acknowledge your existence)...so in that case just be patient for an answer. Alot of the times when you google search, maybe you did not type in just the right terms and didn't get the link you were looking for.

otterboxfan4l said:
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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Ok I'm going to be the other "other" 50% whose pet peeves is when people author forum posts with little to no punctuation, commas, apostrophes, structure, periods, capitalization, etc.

LordLugard said:
Ok I'm going to be the other "other" 50% whose pet peeves is when people author forum posts with little to no punctuation, commas, apostrophes, structure, periods, capitalization, etc.
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Lol i thought that was just me

otterboxfan4l said:
as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
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So it bothers you that they held your hand instead of spoon feeding you the answer? Talk about first world problems... If they were really being anal about the rules then that link would take you to www.google.com and you'd be on your own for the search terms - be grateful that they held your hand as much as they did
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What's frustrating is all of these rule quoters that do nothing but add to the spam. Just answer the question then point them in the right direction or just ignore the post...
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If we just answer the question, we encourage further infractions... It would be kind of like banks taking a policy of giving money to anyone who threatens to rob the bank - we would have more robbers, not less...
Ignoring them almost inevitably leads to more noise from them, not less, so that won't fix their broken understanding of the rules...
But if we add to that spam now, there is a chance that someday, maybe it will end... It isn't likely, but I would rather have the rules on my side
I don't enable people to hide behind excuses - every search on the Internet isn't broken, they just require a little effort (almost as much effort as creating a new post, lol)
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styles420 said:
So it bothers you that they held your hand instead of spoon feeding you the answer? Talk about first world problems... If they were really being anal about the rules then that link would take you to www.google.com and you'd be on your own for the search terms - be grateful that they held your hand as much as they did
If we just answer the question, we encourage further infractions... It would be kind of like banks taking a policy of giving money to anyone who threatens to rob the bank - we would have more robbers, not less...
Ignoring them almost inevitably leads to more noise from them, not less, so that won't fix their broken understanding of the rules...
But if we add to that spam now, there is a chance that someday, maybe it will end... It isn't likely, but I would rather have the rules on my side
I don't enable people to hide behind excuses - every search on the Internet isn't broken, they just require a little effort (almost as much effort as creating a new post, lol)
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How about just showing people how well searching works and provide them proof of it's efficiency by linking them to your search results. This both; enlightens the user of search functionality, while also assisting them with their question.