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[Q] Why do you guys keep posting [Q]'s in development?

seriously, folks....
Did you not read any of the forum guidelines before you started posting? Did you not understand them? IF YOU AREN'T POSTING UP DEVELOPMENT MATERIAL (e.g a new ROM, a new kernel, a system hack, a new radio) STOP STARTING THREADS IN THERE.
the q and a forum is for questions.
and, if you are having an issue with a particular kernel, rom, radio, troll the thread concerning that particular item. chances are that someone else has had the problem, and that another person solved it. if it hasn't been solved, post in that thread, with specifics to your issue.
you do not need to start a thread. in fact, when you start threads that have to be moved, your leftovers have to be cleaned up behind you.
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and no, i don't need some person (db, i'm looking at you) to come in here and say "blah blah blah you're just a wanna be mod", or some other non-helpful comment. the fact of the matter is that there is a place for everything. please keep it in its place. you're more likely to find your answer by searching first, and posting in the correct place. you will also find that you are not starting a load of silly flaming as people bicker and fight about stupid crap.

Wanna be mod.
Thanks.
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I agree with you. But why do you always have to be that guy who complains about eveyones posts. It gets kinda old also.
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If more developers came in here instead of developer wanna b's answering in such a way as to post boost, then we wouldn't have to...
I personally think the PRI question should be a sticky over there until resolved...but that would be too easy I guess?

nvm.............

r.mauldin said:
I agree with you. But why do you always have to be that guy who complains about eveyones posts. It gets kinda old also.
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why am i complaining? because why should i have to sift through 8 tons of crap because someone else can't read? the development forum is busy enough. if 15 threads weren't moved every day, you'd have to sift through page after page after page of complete nonsense just to find the actual things that belong in there.
sorry. i don't have the time to baby step someone through a complex process when they don't bother to read the simple things.

timothydonohue said:
why am i complaining? because why should i have to sift through 8 tons of crap because someone else can't read? the development forum is busy enough. if 15 threads weren't moved every day, you'd have to sift through page after page after page of complete nonsense just to find the actual things that belong in there.
sorry. i don't have the time to baby step someone through a complex process when they don't bother to read the simple things.
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I did say I agree with you. But you make yourself "that guy".

r.mauldin said:
I did say I agree with you. But you make yourself "that guy".
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But "that guy" isn't alone. Lately I've noticed 8+ of us that are "those guys" and growing.
A simple analogy would be comparing parking in the handicapped space at the mall, not worth the risk so you don't... on XDA there is no risk so people park their Q's in the handicapped space (dev) all day long. Neither scenario is right, nor should be tolerated.

timothydonohue said:
seriously, folks....
Did you not read any of the forum guidelines before you started posting?...yada yada yada and blah blah blah
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I could honestly be missing the point here, but by posting your complaint in the Q&A aren't you just griping to those of us who are already in the correct place for general EVO questions instead of in the dev forum where the offenders actually are?

cardiox said:
If more developers came in here instead of developer wanna b's answering in such a way as to post boost, then we wouldn't have to...
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I think a developer wouldn't want to answer the question of some fool who can't even post in the right forum.

Crotchety said:
I could honestly be missing the point here, but by posting your complaint in the Q&A aren't you just griping to those of us who are already in the correct place for general EVO questions instead of in the dev forum where the offenders actually are?
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yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.

I'm with you OP, its irritating and actually disrespectful to the community
BTW, this should have been posted in dev.. lol

timothydonohue said:
yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.
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I hear you and I just joined XDA not too long ago at all. A few things I learned right away:
- USE THE DAMN SEARCH BUTTON
- READ READ READ READ READ READ
- If you can't find an answer using the search button, open a new tab and Google it
- Still can't find an answer? You'd better search through the other threads before starting a new thread
- These threads wouldn't be so long if people would simply read the OP
- Kittehz r dyin cuz u dont no how 2 reed
Seriously though, I hate to see a great community become angered over lazy people. It ruins it for those of us who do heed the rules.

I am with the OP and to the persons aying if more devs came and answered there questions in QA they wouldnt ask in dev .... most of the people answering questions in DEv arent the DEVS. the DEVS are busy developing things and shouldnt be expected to waste there time answering the same 3 questions everyday all day.
Many people on the forum DO come to the Q&A and try to provide insight. Some are less helpful then others but in general you will get flamed less, you will get the answer and you wont cause issues with the "neatness" of the forums.

timothydonohue said:
yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.
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Fair enough. As a seasoned XDA vet of a whopping 3 posts (including this one), I would defer to you on this issue, but I just think it looks like you're complaining to the wrong people. We're already in the Q&A which means we're already doing what you devs have been trying to get the offending posters (who are over in the dev forum) to do. They're not gonna see your OP in here because they're too busy bypassing the Q&A and heading over to Dev to annoy you guys with generic questions again.

Basically what has happened is the Evo and other somewhat likfe phones have blown up. Word spread like wildfire that XDA was the place to get any and all help with your phones. (Which don't get me wrong 99% of the people here are more then willing to help.) This brought a lot of new people on the scene and wanting information and help. Unfortunately some of those people don't want to play by the rules of the road.
Maybe it's just me but it seems like over the past couple months this is what's happened. I seem to remember another thread this was brought up and a suggestion was made about being a member for a certain period of time before being able to create a new thread. I'm not saying this needs to happen because I don't think that would solve anything actually.
Ok...my rant's over now too.
*Just my 2 cents*

Like this forum but don't

Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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I'm probably one of those guys that sometimes gives snarky responses. I really am trying to be nice and help the person find what they are looking for. That's 90% of the reason I post on here: I remember what it's like to not know much and to come to this community with very little knowledge.
That being said, I also hope people would follow the rules when posting, one of which is to search before starting a thread. I completely understand the complaints of people saying that there's too many threads on this site and it's difficult to find what you're looking for with search, but making a thread that's identical to an existing one is compounding the problem.
The way I try to help out with the problem is to take the time to write out a full response (not just give a link) and to (hopefully gently) point out that this topic has been covered and to look at the correct thread. I know Cnexus and I have been pretty good about this, although sometimes the deluge of MB1 update threads do make me a little short-tempered, and for that, I apologize.
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You fine man I understand the rules and read them so I know personally to search before asking and when posting make sure its in the right section.... as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
But yes it is annoying when people ask / post same stuff that's been posted already 400 times before them again people should just be nice " hey man that question / concern / opinion has been posted already please search google and forums thank you "
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otterboxfan4l said:
You fine man I understand the rules and read them so I know personally to search before asking and when posting make sure its in the right section.... as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
But yes it is annoying when people ask / post same stuff that's been posted already 400 times before them again people should just be nice " hey man that question / concern / opinion has been posted already please search google and forums thank you "
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I know that the user is traditionally at fault (the old IT adage of PBMAC - the Problem Between Monitor and Chair), but I also think it's partially the fault of the xda app on the phone. The search function on there is so woefully inept that I have only used it once or twice (and have never found what I was looking for). On the other hand, when creating a thread on the PC, the website even gives you a list of similar threads that might help you out. There are many times where I've been creating a thread and when I put in the title, a half dozen similar threads popped up with the exact answer I was looking for. I know coding this into the android app would be difficult (if not impossible), but it must be noted that almost all of the MB1 update threads had the "sent from the XDA app..." tag at the bottom. I still tell them to search before posting, but I honestly can't blame them because of the apps search function's shortcomings.

Hi
To respond to the first part about allowing abuse...we don't. But bear in mind we have 5 milllion users, 50000 new posts a day and moderators that are constantly moving questions from the wrong section, breaking up childish nerd fights, responding to reported posts, investigating kang issues, and trying to have a job, family and life. We are not reading every post that enters XDA. We respond to reports by users. And every mod action requires several minutes of "paperwork" to document what was done.
Now to the post about searching, yup app search stinks, however if you switch to browser view there are more search options available as well as googling and adding XDA in the search parameter. The phone is quite large so searching through browser view or just with google is a lot easier than in days past.
In most cases like with football, the person throwing the last punch draws the penalty. It takes 2 to argue but just one is needed to keep it going.
Thanks
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I don't care about noob questions. what make me mad is when there is 5 "what is the best rom" threads on the first page. Stuff that you could easily flip through a couple pages and find an answer to is what angers me.
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CrfEpic4g said:
I don't care about noob questions. what make me mad is when there is 5 "what is the best rom" threads on the first page. Stuff that you could easily flip through a couple pages and find an answer to is what angers me.
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I agree. I hate that question just for the fact what I like you may not like. Just take a hand full of roms and test them out. Lol
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Dude..........
otterboxfan4l said:
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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The only thing I find aggravating here or ANY forum is the word "respect". Much respect......have respect......yo bro respect to this guy or that guy! What freakin ever! We aren't 1% bikers here. So why are we throwing that word in every sentence. We are all men amongst men(or women). Respect is a given. Let's quit with the manzy panzy complaints and start tweaking our phones to the fullest.
Just my two cents.......do I need a paypal for that? LMAO!]
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kennyglass123 said:
Hi
To respond to the first part about allowing abuse...we don't. But bear in mind we have 5 milllion users, 50000 new posts a day and moderators that are constantly moving questions from the wrong section, breaking up childish nerd fights, responding to reported posts, investigating kang issues, and trying to have a job, family and life. We are not reading every post that enters XDA. We respond to reports by users. And every mod action requires several minutes of "paperwork" to document what was done.
Now to the post about searching, yup app search stinks, however if you switch to browser view there are more search options available as well as googling and adding XDA in the search parameter. The phone is quite large so searching through browser view or just with google is a lot easier than in days past.
In most cases like with football, the person throwing the last punch draws the penalty. It takes 2 to argue but just one is needed to keep it going.
Thanks
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Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...

Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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No, its a volunteer system basically :beer:
jpgranger said:
If I may, I think we are all big boys and girls on this website. I would never take anything said here offensively. I will forget about all of you as soon as I log off.
The only thing I find aggravating here or ANY forum is the word "respect". Much respect......have respect......yo bro respect to this guy or that guy! What freakin ever! We aren't 1% bikers here. So why are we throwing that word in every sentence. We are all men amongst men(or women). Respect is a given. Let's quit with the manzy panzy complaints and start tweaking our phones to the fullest.
Just my two cents.......do I need a paypal for that? LMAO!]
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You say that, but you'd be surprised at some of the things I see posted here every day
And its difficult NOT to take offense when you find your mental capacity, ability to do something, or your integrity insulted. And the majority of the time, people will attack one of above

Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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The only payment they get is that lovely thanks button at the bottom of every post.

Oh forgot about the most important perk of being a mod
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The only payment they get is that lovely thanks button at the bottom of every post.
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This^

Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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Bwahahaha! Thanks for that laugh!
No. All volunteer because we care about the site and helping others.
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What's frustrating is all of these rule quoters that do nothing but add to the spam. Just answer the question then point them in the right direction or just ignore the post...

There is a saying you can led a horse to water but you can't force them to drink. But if can shoot the f*cker if he is too stubborn

I know sometimes when I was new to this forum (i am not a developer), I would get irritated when posting a question and you would see a lot of "views" but no replies/posts with any help. But you have to realize (as I did), as smart as these guys are, sometimes, nobody knows the answer to your question! So posting "crickets crickets" or something else snarky to that effect won't help you get an answer either. Most people are nice enough to help and will either post a link that you may have overlooked, or a real answer (or at least acknowledge your existence)...so in that case just be patient for an answer. Alot of the times when you google search, maybe you did not type in just the right terms and didn't get the link you were looking for.

otterboxfan4l said:
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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Ok I'm going to be the other "other" 50% whose pet peeves is when people author forum posts with little to no punctuation, commas, apostrophes, structure, periods, capitalization, etc.

LordLugard said:
Ok I'm going to be the other "other" 50% whose pet peeves is when people author forum posts with little to no punctuation, commas, apostrophes, structure, periods, capitalization, etc.
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Lol i thought that was just me

otterboxfan4l said:
as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
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So it bothers you that they held your hand instead of spoon feeding you the answer? Talk about first world problems... If they were really being anal about the rules then that link would take you to www.google.com and you'd be on your own for the search terms - be grateful that they held your hand as much as they did
Ascertion said:
What's frustrating is all of these rule quoters that do nothing but add to the spam. Just answer the question then point them in the right direction or just ignore the post...
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If we just answer the question, we encourage further infractions... It would be kind of like banks taking a policy of giving money to anyone who threatens to rob the bank - we would have more robbers, not less...
Ignoring them almost inevitably leads to more noise from them, not less, so that won't fix their broken understanding of the rules...
But if we add to that spam now, there is a chance that someday, maybe it will end... It isn't likely, but I would rather have the rules on my side
I don't enable people to hide behind excuses - every search on the Internet isn't broken, they just require a little effort (almost as much effort as creating a new post, lol)
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styles420 said:
So it bothers you that they held your hand instead of spoon feeding you the answer? Talk about first world problems... If they were really being anal about the rules then that link would take you to www.google.com and you'd be on your own for the search terms - be grateful that they held your hand as much as they did
If we just answer the question, we encourage further infractions... It would be kind of like banks taking a policy of giving money to anyone who threatens to rob the bank - we would have more robbers, not less...
Ignoring them almost inevitably leads to more noise from them, not less, so that won't fix their broken understanding of the rules...
But if we add to that spam now, there is a chance that someday, maybe it will end... It isn't likely, but I would rather have the rules on my side
I don't enable people to hide behind excuses - every search on the Internet isn't broken, they just require a little effort (almost as much effort as creating a new post, lol)
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How about just showing people how well searching works and provide them proof of it's efficiency by linking them to your search results. This both; enlightens the user of search functionality, while also assisting them with their question.

Let's be nice people

Been skulking here for a few days and now that I picked up my new S4 (!!!!), I'll be here alot (he said happily).
I'm noticing a lot of snottiness already.
It sure does ruin my experience seeing the trolls that cannot resist scolding people or just generally being snotty.
Let's set the tone early and all promise to be nice to each other.
An example that comes to mind are the people who can't resist chiding people for not doing a search first. Myself, I have had the worst luck searching but always do before posting.
Just my two cents.

One thing I hate is when people ask stupid questions that could have been answered with a simple search, sometimes just a google search would answer it. Although I'm being very nice since this is a new device and for some people this may be their first Samsung phone so I'm a little lenient right now. Anyways welcome, and I'm sure you'll love this phone.
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elflip88 said:
One thing I hate is when people ask stupid questions that could have been answered with a simple search, sometimes just a google search would answer it. Although I'm being very nice since this is a new device and for some people this may be their first Samsung phone so I'm a little lenient right now. Anyways welcome, and I'm sure you'll love this phone.
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You make my point nicely, Thanks.
You don't like someones post, you can always just ignore it. Thanks for being so lenient.
I was always taught that the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. And as I said, speaking from experience, searching doesn't always find results here.
Newbies need our help....not to be scolded, chided, attacked, or otherwise harrassed. I've seen other forums here that are ruthless. And have heard people comment that they are afraid to ask a question or apologise ahead of time lest the trolls swoop in.
This is all discussed elsewhere in the forum rules....likely under Etiquette.
Again just trying to help set the tone. If I know the answer, I'll answer. If I don't I won't. Either way, I promise to be nice.

ickster said:
You make my point nicely, Thanks.
You don't like someones post, you can always just ignore it. Thanks for being so lenient.
I was always taught that the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. And as I said, speaking from experience, searching doesn't always find results here.
Newbies need our help....not to be scolded, chided, attacked, or otherwise harrassed. I've seen other forums here that are ruthless. And have heard people comment that they are afraid to ask a question or apologise ahead of time lest the trolls swoop in.
This is all discussed elsewhere in the forum rules....likely under Etiquette.
Again just trying to help set the tone. If I know the answer, I'll answer. If I don't I won't. Either way, I promise to be nice.
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And I speaking from experience is if you search you'll find the answer. I understand newbies need help sometimes, HELP not be held by the hand thru everything, cuz then they will never learn. We were all newbs at one point or another so if I could search and find answers without having to ask stupid questions ( and no the only stupid questions aren't the ones you don't ask) then so can others.
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ickster said:
Been skulking here for a few days and now that I picked up my new S4 (!!!!), I'll be here alot (he said happily).
I'm noticing a lot of snottiness already.
It sure does ruin my experience seeing the trolls that cannot resist scolding people or just generally being snotty.
Let's set the tone early and all promise to be nice to each other.
An example that comes to mind are the people who can't resist chiding people for not doing a search first. Myself, I have had the worst luck searching but always do before posting.
Just my two cents.
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THANK YOU!!! I'd considered posting a thread just like this days ago. This is my first time in Tmobile, but I've been around XDA for a long time, and I've been appalled by some of the comments (consistently left by the same people). How hard is it to be nice or just abstain from commenting if you're just going to be a jerk. Thinking back many of the post that received nasty comments were or up by people with only 1-20 post on XDA. They're noobs, people, just like we once were.
Just yesterday I answered a question about having an AT&T GS4 unlocked to use on T mobile. Yes, the post should have been in the AT&T forum, and it should have been in the Q&A section at the very least. But I knew the answer and have the information with a link to the appropriate thread. Kindly.
On a happier note, how awesome is this phone?!

OK, I'll bite only because this is my thread.
What gives you or anyone else the right to scold people?
Read the rules. It is explicitly said that trolling is not cool. And attacking people because their post does not meet your criteria is trolling.
And it makes you look bad.

@eflip88, I am not directing this directly at you. No disrespect intended. I asked for input. I appreciate the discourse.
I was speaking generally, at the people who DO feel the need to be jerks. Not at you or your actions. Although your reply summed it up nicely.

ickster said:
OK, I'll bite only because this is my thread.
What gives you or anyone else the right to scold people?
Read the rules. It is explicitly said that trolling is not cool. And attacking people because their post does not meet your criteria is trolling.
And it makes you look bad.
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Dude I'm not scolding or attacking anybody, and don't talk about rules because the first rule is SEARCH.
Sent from Flip's Galaxy S4

Most of the time it takes less keystrokes to answer a question than to give someone a hard time. So it is usually more productive to be nice as well. ha ha
Peace.

Whats life without a little tough love?

ickster said:
Most of the time it takes less keystrokes to answer a question than to give someone a hard time. So it is usually more productive to be nice as well. ha ha
Peace.
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you must be new to the internet.
let me be the first to say;
WELCOME.
:highfive:

Searching does not always answer what one is looking for.............

+1 when I first came to xda people were being a little snotty but whatevs lol
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There's just certain people that have an obsessive need for conflict...It doesn't matter whether it's the internet or anything else they do..They'll always look for the worst way to handle something.....Your best bet is to just ignore them and move on...They want you to respond, That's the point..To fuel their misery...It sucks to see but it's never going to stop..especially when they have a computer screen to feel 9ft tall behind..

The worst is when people actually write out some long reply about searching instead of freaking linking the person to the relevant post, so annoying....

I have been on XDA long enough to know that people always want instant gratification to their needs. It is like they are entitled to it. Instead of searching like the way forums are meant to be. Day after day, they kept posting the same freaking question. There are community members who participate in these forums, and there are leechers who just come for the information and leave as quickly once they got what they wanted. These leechers usually dont even search the forums for answers, they just ask questions that have been answered like more than 20x (literally). We can be nice up to a point, but after that, you gotta take out the broom to sweep them away. Sometime it is better not to have than to have.
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Awe... do you want a wah burger with your french cries?

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Awe... do you want a wah burger with your french cries?
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Lol, why would I be crying? The only people who would be crying are those so called leechers who wont be getting any help and get scolded in the forums.
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ickster said:
OK, I'll bite only because this is my thread.
What gives you or anyone else the right to scold people?
Read the rules. It is explicitly said that trolling is not cool. And attacking people because their post does not meet your criteria is trolling.
And it makes you look bad.
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Well attacking someone doesn't constitute as trolling but is certainly against the rules either way.
If I see that someone has asked a question which can easily be found via a search, I will give the user the answer and mention that it was easily found by SEARCHING and that they'll have more luck finding things if they actually search first. <-- As you can see, it gets the point across that they should search but does so in a friendly manner.
If, however, I see that the same person is constantly asking questions which require extremely little effort to find the answer, I'll change my response to something like "Here's a great idea BUT it's quite revolutionary and might be a bit shocking at first.
Try using the search feature this site has provided us with.
I told you it was shocking. It's fine though because once you've got used to the idea, you'll realise that I'm actually correct in what I'm saying and you will then begin to search for answers (otherwise you might find yet another really shocking post).
Normally I wouldn't respond like this but this isn't exactly the first time you've asked a question which would only take a few seconds of searching. Whenever you have a question, you don't even think of searching. You just come straight out and ask it, without taking into consideration how dumb it could possibly make you look.
Believe it or not, this is a DEVELOPMENT site. Not a childcare site. Not a help desk. A development site. Are questions allowed here? Certainly but no one is here to hold your hand and give you all the answers. We also expect some work from you aswell. Even if that's simply searching before you post and actually paying attention to what you read, that's good enough.
You start doing that and then I can start to help you if you have any real problems." <-- This is not so friendly but well deserved and there's nothing wrong with this response in the slightest. It's very rare I'll make a post like this but when I do it's really effective and the user ends up becoming a better member because of it.
I totally agree with your intentions though and hope a better attitude can ensue across the entirety of XDA so that it can become a friendlier place to be

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Searching does not always answer what one is looking for.............
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This may help!
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'noob' unfriendly forum!

Ha, yes-it really is!! I love xda, find lots of great stuff, I buy the apps, blah, blah.. I even tried to comment(no reply). How many 'dislikes noobs' do I see lol!! I'm not hideously noobie & we all start somewhere right?! Kind of off putting to be honest..not really fair to those of us that like using the site-I wonder how many questions go unanswered..
Just my little rant.. disgruntled, female(aaargh!), noob..xx

Hehehehe..
If someone says he dislikes noobs. it is his personal opinion not of xda...
We at xda focus on helping everyone who needs it. (I too need help as m nt a developer)
So if some of the questions go unanswered ..belive the fact that either no one knows it or the one who knows it havent seen it yet
I know one of the member who was very rude ... bt he helped others alot (scolding them alongside to search first )

lol!
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Hehehehe..
If someone says he dislikes noobs. it is his personal opinion not of xda...
We at xda focus on helping everyone who needs it. (I too need help as m nt a developer)
So if some of the questions go unanswered ..belive the fact that either no one knows it or the one who knows it havent seen it yet
I know one of the member who was very rude ... bt he helped others alot (scolding them alongside to search first )
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Thanks, was venting-just being female!! Onwards & upwards!:laugh:

Hi xeexe,
As doctor_droid mentioned, sometimes questions can go unanswered purely because others don't know the answer OR it was buried in the forum too quickly and therefore more people, who may have been able to help, wouldn't have seen your thread.
Just like any other situation, whether it be on an internet forum or in real life, there'll always be those who are helpful and those who will ignore/moan at you asking a question. That's natural but there's generally more people around ready to help than there are to dislike you. Don't let it put you off though as this forum has a great community and you can learn a ton of new stuff from here aswell.
By the way, if you're still having the same issue with your phone I suggest editing your thread again so that the question is posted and then bump your thread up so that people will be able to see it at the top of the forum again

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Hi xeexe,
As doctor_droid mentioned, sometimes questions can go unanswered purely because others don't know the answer OR it was buried in the forum too quickly and therefore more people, who may have been able to help, wouldn't have seen your thread.
Just like any other situation, whether it be on an internet forum or in real life, there'll always be those who are helpful and those who will ignore/moan at you asking a question. That's natural but there's generally more people around ready to help than there are to dislike you. Don't let it put you off though as this forum has a great community and you can learn a ton of new stuff from here aswell.
By the way, if you're still having the same issue with your phone I suggest editing your thread again so that the question is posted and then bump your thread up so that people will be able to see it at the top of the forum again
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Thank you I ended up sorting out my 'issue' anyway but then you need to ask to have a post removed, do you? And could you?! My previous post-had an issue flashing roms but it's okay, I was being a noob, lol!
Yeah, I won't let it put me off, love the site-just over-sensitive I guess

xeexe said:
Thank you I ended up sorting out my 'issue' anyway but then you need to ask to have a post removed, do you? And could you?! My previous post-had an issue flashing roms but it's okay, I was being a noob, lol!
Yeah, I won't let it put me off, love the site-just over-sensitive I guess
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In most cases threads won't actually be deleted but as the issue is resolved abd had no replies anyway, just report it by using the orange triangle on that post and ask for it to be deleted due to the above reasons

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In most cases threads won't actually be deleted but as the issue is resolved abd had no replies anyway, just report it by using the orange triangle on that post and ask for it to be deleted due to the above reasons
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Thanks

Okay, so since we have things resolved I'm making a noob friendly closure of this thread

noob rooting

Is there a vid how to root from note 4 6.0.1 ??

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Is there a vid how to root from note 4 6.0.1 ??
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Do you need someone to hold your hand? You've played this game before.
If there is a "vid" it hasn't been posted here. Do you need help in using Google?

Yes, I do. Don't want to brick my phone. Not playing games either.Just asking , don't have a cow, breathe

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Yes, I do. Don't want to brick my phone. Just asking , don't have a cow, breathe
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Try helping yourself. I know, it's a tough concept.
There are three or four threads right on the very front page of this subforum that will answer all of your questions.
Have a cow? I'm not having a cow. I'm sick of people that can figure out how to post a completely redundant question without following rule number one of the forum.
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting or creating a new thread. Whether you have a question or just something new to share, it's very likely that someone has already asked that question or shared that news
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douger1957 said:
Try helping yourself. I know, it's a tough concept.
There are three or four threads right on the very front page of this subforum that will answer all of your questions.
Have a cow? I'm not having a cow. I'm sick of people that can figure out how to post a completely redundant question without following rule number one of the forum.
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No need to be an ass about it..

Just asking about vid, rooted my previous phones before, upgraded to note 4 . Been waiting root and os upgrades. Been reading alot about how to root this phone. Look like this is alot if steps to do so. And alot of miss communication how to do so.... that's why I ask about a vid.. Geez

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No need to be an ass about it..
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Did you join just to post this or are you a sock puppet?
Nobody was being an "ass." The forum rules say to search first. There are at least three threads on the front page that say "noob" and cover what the OP had asked for. Typing a response to the same question over and over because "noobs" are too lazy to help themselves is tiring.
If the OP is incapable of following directions, of reading where others had screwed up and how to fix it, a video isn't going to help.

Never called u names, so let's not start.... I will just move on, thanks for your warm suggestions. Have a good one

Blastoff29 said:
Never called u names, so let's not start.... I will just move on, thanks for your warm suggestions. Have a good one
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Come back in a couple of weeks when you can start yet another thread!

Someday u will get out of your mom's basement. Get a life

There are a few videos on YouTube but the rooting is scary. My N4 is my only phone so I read up and took the plunge. It all worked out but not without a few hangups. People on XDA will help you out of a jam if needed.
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Blastoff29 said:
Someday u will get out of your mom's basement. Get a life
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My mom is dead and I'm 600 miles from her house, but thanks for playing. See you in a couple of weeks. Will you be bringing a new sock puppet?

douger1957 said:
Did you join just to post this or are you a sock puppet?
Nobody was being an "ass." The forum rules say to search first. There are at least three threads on the front page that say "noob" and cover what the OP had asked for. Typing a response to the same question over and over because "noobs" are too lazy to help themselves is tiring.
If the OP is incapable of following directions, of reading where others had screwed up and how to fix it, a video isn't going to help.
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Joined just to post this. I've been lurking the forums for a long time as I have a rooted Note 4 but never had a reason to post. You showing very little respect for your peers on the forums caused me finally create an account so my voice could be heard. If you still believe I'm a sock puppet you can google my username and find I am active across a wide range of forums and platforms. I'm in no way associated with blastoff but I have been in his situation before so I understand where he is coming from and have sympathy for him. He tried to be civil about it and you are throwing accusations at him about making puppets without any possible proof other than it being a new account. This is a place meant for people to converse, ask questions, and be friendly and yet somehow you have managed to do the exact opposite. I get that he posted a new thread instead of searching but instead of posting a snappy response about how he broke the rules and should help himself you could maybe show a sliver of kindness and welcome him to the forums and inform him that all his answers are in previously posted threads. This will the last time I respond on this thread as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone on the other side of a screen.
With that said, Blastoff, if you need any assistance please feel free to message me and if I'm able to I will assist you. Good luck on your journey to rooting your phone!

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Joined just to post this. I've been lurking the forums for a long time as I have a rooted Note 4 but never had a reason to post. You showing very little respect for your peers on the forums caused me finally create an account so my voice could be heard. If you still believe I'm a sock puppet you can google my username and find I am active across a wide range of forums and platforms. I'm in no way associated with blastoff but I have been in his situation before so I understand where he is coming from and have sympathy for him. He tried to be civil about it and you are throwing accusations at him about making puppets without any possible proof other than it being a new account. This is a place meant for people to converse, ask questions, and be friendly and yet somehow you have managed to do the exact opposite. I get that he posted a new thread instead of searching but instead of posting a snappy response about how he broke the rules and should help himself you could maybe show a sliver of kindness and welcome him to the forums and inform him that all his answers are in previously posted threads. This will the last time I respond on this thread as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone on the other side of a screen.
With that said, Blastoff, if you need any assistance please feel free to message me and if I'm able to I will assist you. Good luck on your journey to rooting your phone!
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This is blastoffs 2nd thread with the same question. Both times posting ridiculous questions about note 4 root. If he had searched, he'd have his answer, and that's the point. Douger1957 has assisted tons of people with root, unlock, firmwares, etc. So before you pass judgement, search a little yourself, and see how douger1957 responds overall, not just with trolls.
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siyman4 said:
Joined just to post this. I've been lurking the forums for a long time as I have a rooted Note 4 but never had a reason to post. You showing very little respect for your peers on the forums caused me finally create an account so my voice could be heard. If you still believe I'm a sock puppet you can google my username and find I am active across a wide range of forums and platforms. I'm in no way associated with blastoff but I have been in his situation before so I understand where he is coming from and have sympathy for him. He tried to be civil about it and you are throwing accusations at him about making puppets without any possible proof other than it being a new account. This is a place meant for people to converse, ask questions, and be friendly and yet somehow you have managed to do the exact opposite. I get that he posted a new thread instead of searching but instead of posting a snappy response about how he broke the rules and should help himself you could maybe show a sliver of kindness and welcome him to the forums and inform him that all his answers are in previously posted threads. This will the last time I respond on this thread as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone on the other side of a screen.
With that said, Blastoff, if you need any assistance please feel free to message me and if I'm able to I will assist you. Good luck on your journey to rooting your phone!
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Tott

siyman4 said:
Joined just to post this. I've been lurking the forums for a long time as I have a rooted Note 4 but never had a reason to post. You showing very little respect for your peers on the forums caused me finally create an account so my voice could be heard. If you still believe I'm a sock puppet you can google my username and find I am active across a wide range of forums and platforms. I'm in no way associated with blastoff but I have been in his situation before so I understand where he is coming from and have sympathy for him. He tried to be civil about it and you are throwing accusations at him about making puppets without any possible proof other than it being a new account. This is a place meant for people to converse, ask questions, and be friendly and yet somehow you have managed to do the exact opposite. I get that he posted a new thread instead of searching but instead of posting a snappy response about how he broke the rules and should help himself you could maybe show a sliver of kindness and welcome him to the forums and inform him that all his answers are in previously posted threads. This will the last time I respond on this thread as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone on the other side of a screen.
With that said, Blastoff, if you need any assistance please feel free to message me and if I'm able to I will assist you. Good luck on your journey to rooting your phone!
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That's the thing , I read alot how to root. Rooted many other phones myself. Maybe my first post wasn't in the right spot... Tried to be very civil about it. But just got way to many negative vibes . I have read post , how to root in this forum . Never once this guy pointed me in the right direction... I really think this guy has failed this Forum. .. :/

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That's the thing , I read alot how to root. Rooted many other phones myself. Maybe my first post wasn't in the right spot... Tried to be very civil about it. But just got way to many negative vibes . I have read post , how to root in this forum . Never once this guy pointed me in the right direction... I really think this guy has failed this Forum. .. :/
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Oh, look. Two sock puppets talking to each other. How cute.
I didn't fail the forum, Bunky. I failed a troll. I won't lose any sleep over it.

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Is there a vid how to root from note 4 6.0.1 ??
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Yes there's plenty of vids. I've rooted plenty of phones, but can't seem to root this one. The vids say use kingo root, but I tried every one I found and none rooted my note 4 verizon.

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Oh, look. Two sock puppets talking to each other. How cute.
I didn't fail the forum, Bunky. I failed a troll. I won't lose any sleep over it.
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You did fail the forum. It sounds like you're usually pretty good on here, but there's almost a page of garbage here now because of your initial reply. This thread could have been 2 posts. "Is there a vid" and some time in the future "http://hereIsThe.vid".
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You did fail the forum. It sounds like you're usually pretty good on here, but there's almost a page of garbage here now because of your initial reply. This thread could have been 2 posts. "Is there a vid" and some time in the future "http://hereIsThe.vid".
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Ok ......here's the thing...On July 9th Douger1957 gave blastoff a link to the threads that explain in detail the processes to help him get rooted and unlocked. Then exactly 10 days later blastoff starts a new thread asking for a video....sorry, vid...this isn't rocket science. No need for a second thread, no need for drama.....simply search first, help yourself, ask informed questions that show you've at least tried something, anything! .......root?......vid? Of course you're going to get a response with some frustration included. In the last couple of weeks more 1 post members have shown up than ever before, with disrespectful questions, comments, and responses. Wtf. They drop these questions, get helped, don't thank anyone, show no respect for the members that have helped the most. Tons of people come, ask, take, complain, and don't contribute or thank the devs. Hsbadr has complained about this very thing, hundreds of downloads and a minimal amount of thanks or donations. So, go ahead and say what you will, my opinion is, the people who are assisting others all the time, should get the benefit of the doubt when these situations arise. And the single post members should exhaust all avenues of search before asking questions about things that have 4 or 5 detailed threads already.
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