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hi everybody .. i just got HTC Desire for my wife and we have this phone for 2 days now .The phone don't read 3G and when i checked the network info the phone read EDGE and when i checked my nexus at same time i seen the network UMTS . so what i can do make this desire read 3G
Check your carrier's APN setting.
Menu->Settings->Wireless & networks->Mobile Network Settings->Access Point Names
You are on T-Mobile USA right?
Sorry but there is NO version of HTC Desire that is compatible with T-Mobile USA 3G network. No, T-Mobile in Europe does not use the same 3G bands for 3G as T-Mobile USA, so even if the phone was sold with a T-Mobile (Europe) logo on it it won't have 3G in the US.
Currently there are TWO hardware versions of the HTC Desire. The first one, A8181, is the one that is sold in Europe and Asia, and this one does not have 3G in the US. The second one, A8183, is sold in Australia by the carrier Telstra. This version is compatible with AT&T's 3G network in most part of the US, but it is not compatible with T-Mobile USA's 3G network.
tsekh501 said:
You are on T-Mobile USA right?
Sorry but there is NO version of HTC Desire that is compatible with T-Mobile USA 3G network. No, T-Mobile in Europe does not use the same 3G bands for 3G as T-Mobile USA, so even if the phone was sold with a T-Mobile (Europe) logo on it it won't have 3G in the US.
Currently there are TWO hardware versions of the HTC Desire. The first one, A8181, is the one that is sold in Europe and Asia, and this one does not have 3G in the US. The second one, A8183, is sold in Australia by the carrier Telstra. This version is compatible with AT&T's 3G network in most part of the US, but it is not compatible with T-Mobile USA's 3G network.
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Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks
NICEGYPT said:
Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks
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There is, as I said above, the A8183. It works only with AT&T's 3G though.
i have the A8183 And works fine on at&t 3g i will sell if you are interested or anyone for that matter..
$550
NICEGYPT said:
Yeah .. i am T-Mobile US
and my phone is the first one A8181 i bought it from UK . Anyways this mean NO DESIRE work 3G in USA . Thats sucks
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You will find that very, very few "worldwide" GSM phones will work with T-Mobile US's 3G due to the split 1700/2100 AWS band that TMo US uses.
Ironically though, you can take a TMo US phone out of the US and it will happily talk 3G to most other non-US GSM networks.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
You will find that very, very few "worldwide" GSM phones will work with T-Mobile US's 3G due to the split 1700/2100 AWS band that TMo US uses.
Ironically though, you can take a TMo US phone out of the US and it will happily talk 3G to most other non-US GSM networks.
Regards,
Dave
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Most Europe/Asian carriers only use 2100 band for 3G, so as long as your phone supports that band (most GSM phones do) you can get 3G on their network.
T-Mobile USA on the other hand, requires BOTH 1700 & 2100 bands support in order for your phone to get 3G on their network. For a long time, T-Mobile USA was the ONLY carrier in the world that use 1700 band for 3G, and therefore if a phone was not carried by T-Mobile USA it didn't have 1700 3G band support (it doesn't need to because no other carrier in the world used it). Well, lately a new Canadian wireless carrier, Wind, also employs the 1700 & 2100 bands for their 3G network... so the chance of getting more phones to support these 3G bands has slightly increased. Slightly, because Wind is a new and small carrier...
I plan to buy the T-Mobile Galaxy S4. Worried that I may not be happy with T-Mobile's coverage is it possible to use it on AT&T's network? If so will it be able to pick up all bands?
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So, does the S4 follow the S3? Will a T-Mobile S4 work on all other carriers in the US and Canada, but, just not have LTE speeds (Only HSPA+)?
Thanks!
According to [1] the t-mobile version of the S4 has the following LTE bands: 1/2/4/5/7/17, which correspond to 2100 1900 1700 850 2600 700MHz.
- Bands 1 and 4 are clear, as those are the main t-mobile LTE bands.
- Metro PCS uses band 2, so given the pending merger to t-mobile, this makes sense as well.
- Band 17 is used by AT&T, which would hopefully mean a T-Mobile Galaxy S4 can be fully used on AT&T including LTE.
- Band 7, is commonly used around the world, including Canada, some countries in South America and Asia and many countries in Europe. So this should allow for using the device in many countries abroad e.g. through roaming, or buying a pre-paid sim when overseas on business or holidays.
But why did they include Band 5? According to wikipedia [2] that band is only used by very few carriers around the world. Would it have not made more sense to include e.g. Band 3 (1800MHz), which is commonly used for LTE in Europe and Asia, including most of the European T-Mobile networks. That would have allowed for much broader roaming.
Furthermore, can someone confirm that the information on the webpage is correct and particularly that T-mobiles S4 really has band 7 (2600MHz) included?
[1] www samsung com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-M919ZWATMB-specs
[2] en wikipedia org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
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knowthenazz said:
So, does the S4 follow the S3? Will a T-Mobile S4 work on all other carriers in the US and Canada, but, just not have LTE speeds (Only HSPA+)?
Thanks!
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Theoretically, yes, it should work on AT&T fine as the device does support all of AT&T's bands, including their LTE bands. Of course it needs to be SIM unlocked in order for you to be able to put an AT&T SIM in it though.
apmon said:
According to [1] the t-mobile version of the S4 has the following LTE bands: 1/2/4/5/7/17, which correspond to 2100 1900 1700 850 2600 700MHz.
- Bands 1 and 4 are clear, as those are the main t-mobile LTE bands.
- Metro PCS uses band 2, so given the pending merger to t-mobile, this makes sense as well.
- Band 17 is used by AT&T, which would hopefully mean a T-Mobile Galaxy S4 can be fully used on AT&T including LTE.
- Band 7, is commonly used around the world, including Canada, some countries in South America and Asia and many countries in Europe. So this should allow for using the device in many countries abroad e.g. through roaming, or buying a pre-paid sim when overseas on business or holidays.
But why did they include Band 5? According to wikipedia [2] that band is only used by very few carriers around the world. Would it have not made more sense to include e.g. Band 3 (1800MHz), which is commonly used for LTE in Europe and Asia, including most of the European T-Mobile networks. That would have allowed for much broader roaming.
Furthermore, can someone confirm that the information on the webpage is correct and particularly that T-mobiles S4 really has band 7 (2600MHz) included?
[1] www samsung com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-M919ZWATMB-specs
[2] en wikipedia org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
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2600 mhz band and is for T-Mobile in European Union
To your question why. .....if they did include this to American version S4 then there will not be difference to international S4 LTE version. ....There is two different devices 9500&9505...it's a market democracy that separate this market for known reason. ....otherwise ....There is going to be way some time on road to flash different modem to give you other bands. ....flashing modem will not make hardware frequency to make changed. ...
Just follow XDA there is a lot of smart people out there that will make them
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2600 mhz band and is for T-Mobile in European Union
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T-mobile mostly uses the 1800Mhz band in Europe (UK, Germany, Croatia, Hungary, Netherlands and Czech Republic) although it does have some licenses for the 2600MHz band as well. 2600MHz is heavily used by other carriers in Europe though, which is why I was interested to get a confirmation that the t-mobile US version of the Galaxy S4 really does have that band included, as I will likely want to use it in Europe too.
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T-mobile mostly uses the 1800Mhz band in Europe (UK, Germany, Croatia, Hungary, Netherlands and Czech Republic) although it does have some licenses for the 2600MHz band as well. 2600MHz is heavily used by other carriers in Europe though, which is why I was interested to get a confirmation that the t-mobile US version of the Galaxy S4 really does have that band included, as I will likely want to use it in Europe too.
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If you go to US tmobile website and go to specification you will see exactly what you looking. ...just remember there is also important to look for given band on frequency you will operate in Europe. ..my note II Was running fine on A1 Austria Tmobile Orange and tele ring company. ...When I was in Europe. ...in Australia I was not capable running LTE be cause I do have 2600 MHZ frequency just no band for Australia. ....
There it pulled T-Mobile
Bands and frequency
HSPA+ Bands: I (UMTS 2100), II (1900), IV (1700/2100/AWS), V (850)LTE Bands: Band 1 (2100), 2 (1900), 4 (1700/2100), 5(850), 7 (2600) & 17GSM Bands: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
So if you looking for carrier that operating on 1800 it will support only GSM .......GPRS data
On other frequency you should pick high speeds data
This are A&TT Baseband and frequency from Samsung site
Frequencies and Data Type: LTE: Bands 1/4/7/17; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/1900/2100MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz*
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A&TT site
Wireless Technology
4G-LTE*Band 4 and 174G*HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul3G - UMTS*850/1900/2100MHzGSM/GPRS/EDGE*850/900/1800/1900MHz
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If you go to US tmobile website and go to specification you will see exactly what you looking. ...
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Ah, looks like they have updated their page to include more details now. When I looked a couple of hours ago it still only said "LTE compatible" with no indication of the exact frequency and bands it supports.
As the specs on t-mobile.com and samsung's us page now match in claiming it does have support for band 7, I'll assume it actually does. But given that the AT&T page still claims the S4 has FM radio and the supported LTE frequencies of the AT&T spec page don't match the Samsungs's spec page, it seems even the "official" specs can't always be trusted.
Thanks
Here is what the Canadian versions use:
GSM Bands:850/900/1800/1900
HSPA+/HSPA Bands:850/1900/2100
LTE Bands:2100/2600
So the T-mobile version should work no problem in Canada if we end up with a bootloader locked version up here.
Well, it looks like the Tmobile version of the S4 may be the one to get for a lot of us on ATT and in Canada since it has the right bands and the bootloader isn't locked. It just needs to be sim unlocked.
i am very interested in this option. I guess what we need is some confirmation from folks in the field/first hand experience.
I guess we need to wait for someone to sim unlock and test the LTE?
mircury said:
Well, it looks like the Tmobile version of the S4 may be the one to get for a lot of us on ATT and in Canada since it has the right bands and the bootloader isn't locked. It just needs to be sim unlocked.
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Anyone tried the menu unlock for the sim like the Note 2 had?
tietherope said:
Here is what the Canadian versions use:
GSM Bands:850/900/1800/1900
HSPA+/HSPA Bands:850/1900/2100
LTE Bands:2100/2600
So the T-mobile version should work no problem in Canada if we end up with a bootloader locked version up here.
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Hi,
Is this for all Canadian versions (The Big 3 and Wind/Mobilicty)?
Thanks!
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mircury said:
Well, it looks like the Tmobile version of the S4 may be the one to get for a lot of us on ATT and in Canada since it has the right bands and the bootloader isn't locked. It just needs to be sim unlocked.
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Is the Canadian version confirmed to be SIM locked (the same as AT&T)?
Thanks!
Is the sim on the T=mobile version a micro? AT&T uses full size sims. Of course, getting a micro-sim from AT&T or using a sim cutter should work, but it is still a consideration. It also needs to be determined if the radio (software baseband) of the T-Mobile S4 takes advantage of the Hardware frequencies the phone supports. In other words, will it be optimized for AT&T networks.
The next important question is - how do you SIM UNLOCK the T-mobile S4?
If T-Mobile doesn't give you the unlock code, then this is moot.
knowthenazz said:
Hi,
Is this for all Canadian versions (The Big 3 and Wind/Mobilicty)?
Thanks!
The big 3 yes. Wind/Mobilicity, no clue but I'll check when I wake up and get to work in about 7 hours.
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Is the Canadian version confirmed to be SIM locked (the same as AT&T)?
Thanks!
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SIM locked it would be as always. Bootloader locked no one knows yet. SIM unlock on previous Galaxy devices has been done for free, or for a minimal cost.
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lanwarrior said:
The next important question is - how do you SIM UNLOCK the T-mobile S4?
If T-Mobile doesn't give you the unlock code, then this is moot.
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Order it from Negri Electronics and it comes unlocked, or order an unlock code online somewhere.
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tietherope said:
Order it from Negri Electronics and it comes unlocked, or order an unlock code online somewhere.
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I want to buy it from a US Carrier be use it comes with US Warranty. I bought Intl Note before and went dead on me...no warranty of course. I know this is rare, but having a dead $600 phone once is enough for me
Anyways, if Tmo won't provide the SIM unlock code (AT&T does), then there's no point buying it from Tmo because the phone is always locked to their network.
I would have bought the phone from AT&T, but the bootloader is locked.
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I want to buy it from a US Carrier be use it comes with US Warranty. I bought Intl Note before and went dead on me...no warranty of course. I know this is rare, but having a dead $600 phone once is enough for me
Anyways, if Tmo won't provide the SIM unlock code (AT&T does), then there's no point buying it from Tmo because the phone is always locked to their network.
I would have bought the phone from AT&T, but the bootloader is locked.
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Ouch, that's understandable for sure. I've been lucky that my international Galaxy S I-III are all still running well.
Did you buy it from an online store that claims to have a warranty or eBay or similar?
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I bought the Note 1 from Amazon - the seller was selling it through Amazon Prime. When I searched for the International Note, none that I found (eBay, Amazon, etc.) offer a 1-year warranty with Samsung USA.
Interestingly, I used to buy the International version of Nokia phones (remember those good ol day?) and Nokia USA WILL honor the warranty (I have to ship it to Melbourne, FL).
I wish Samsung USA will do the same or have a local Samsung store, like Sony Store so I can buy the phone full price from them and have full warranty. Heck, even Amazon and NewEgg are selling the Xperia ZL unlocked with US warranty! Right now my options are limited (AT&T have locked bootloader, T-Mobile SIM locked, I don't want CDMA phones).
Hi there,
Can anyone confirm for sure and tested the following question:
How many bands for GSM, HSDPA and LTE does the T-Mobile Galaxy S4 (M919) have? Are they the same bands as the International S4 LTE (I9505)?
Based on the wikipedia page for Samsung Galaxy S4, the model I9505 has more LTE bands than the T-Mobile M919 version, is that completely true and technically proven?
Most of the websites state that the M919 and the I9505 has the same bands for all GSM, HSDPA and LTE.
I appreciate if someone can lead me to the ultimate answer.
Thanks.
Tmobile uses AWS for 4g LTE which requires 2100/1700 frequency. The GT-i9505 only supports 2100mhz i believe, which is not enough.
I think the GT-i9505 supports one of the several frequencies that Tmobile uses for HDSPA, so HDSPA coverage may be a bit spotty with the phone. This was referenced off the top of my head, but I had done some research online about this before as I had similar questions as you.
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Here's an article on the frequencies that just came out that may help you OP.
tikoracer said:
Hi there,
Can anyone confirm for sure and tested the following question:
How many bands for GSM, HSDPA and LTE does the T-Mobile Galaxy S4 (M919) have? Are they the same bands as the International S4 LTE (I9505)?
Based on the wikipedia page for Samsung Galaxy S4, the model I9505 has more LTE bands than the T-Mobile M919 version, is that completely true and technically proven?
Most of the websites state that the M919 and the I9505 has the same bands for all GSM, HSDPA and LTE.
I appreciate if someone can lead me to the ultimate answer.
Thanks.
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You can find all the information on the Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4
I9505 lacks the 1700MHz LTE band which is needed in T-Mobile LTE.
That's weird, I can swear that wiki page had different information yesterday about the I9505 LTE bands
macaumen said:
You can find all the information on the Wiki page
I9505 lacks the 1700MHz LTE band which is needed in T-Mobile LTE.
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Hey so looking at the wiki that you guys posted up there it says following for the tmobile version: 700 MHz (Band 17), CLR, AWS, PCS, IMT, IMT-E
now i somehow got my hand on one of these devices in europe for rather cheap and totally new, so im confused now what these CLR, AWS, PCS, IMT, IMT-E are, does any of these stand for any other than the 700mhz band? like 1700/1800mhz? or in other words, is it possible to get lte to work in europe with the tmobile usa s4? Can the modem perhaps be flashed with an i9505 one and than get the additional bands or is the hardware actualyl that different (as in antennas and amplifiers)?
Its not really a dealbreaker for me as LTE in my country is quite some time away but still, would like to know.
thanks
In simple words, the LTE bands are (not in order): Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 4 (1700), Band 5 (850), Band 7 (2600), Band 17 (700), so we have the LTE bands available for the T-Mobile version: 700, 850, 1700, 1900, 2100 and 2600.
crnkoj said:
Hey so looking at the wiki that you guys posted up there it says following for the tmobile version: 700 MHz (Band 17), CLR, AWS, PCS, IMT, IMT-E
now i somehow got my hand on one of these devices in europe for rather cheap and totally new, so im confused now what these CLR, AWS, PCS, IMT, IMT-E are, does any of these stand for any other than the 700mhz band? like 1700/1800mhz? or in other words, is it possible to get lte to work in europe with the tmobile usa s4? Can the modem perhaps be flashed with an i9505 one and than get the additional bands or is the hardware actualyl that different (as in antennas and amplifiers)?
Its not really a dealbreaker for me as LTE in my country is quite some time away but still, would like to know.
thanks
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tikoracer said:
In simple words, the LTE bands are (not in order): Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 4 (1700), Band 5 (850), Band 7 (2600), Band 17 (700), so we have the LTE bands available for the T-Mobile version: 700, 850, 1700, 1900, 2100 and 2600.
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sorry for asking it again, but that basically means the tmobile version has most bands that are used enabled? just have to figure what bands are being used in my country... thanks really
edit: checked the bands here naturally its 800 and 1800, so my question remains, can i somehow flash the phone to work on these?
Check the picture attached, this photo is from the original T-Mobile US Samsung Galaxy S4 (M919) box.
crnkoj said:
sorry for asking it again, but that basically means the tmobile version has most bands that are used enabled? just have to figure what bands are being used in my country... thanks really
edit: checked the bands here naturally its 800 and 1800, so my question remains, can i somehow flash the phone to work on these?
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No, you can't flash a I9505 rom to a M919 device, if you do, you will brick it. The best option for you to get 800 and 1800 frequencies is to go for the GT-I9505, it's the Samsung Galaxy S4 LTE version, and it has the following bands for LTE Cat 3 (800 / 850 / 900 / 1,800 / 2,100 / 2,600 MHz). This is the official Samsung page: http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-I9505ZKAXSA-spec
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sorry for asking it again, but that basically means the tmobile version has most bands that are used enabled? just have to figure what bands are being used in my country... thanks really
edit: checked the bands here naturally its 800 and 1800, so my question remains, can i somehow flash the phone to work on these?
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Yes, it seems that the I9505 has LTE bands for each region, it's not dedicated for America (North, Central and South), it also support Europe and Asia, while it doesn't contain most bands for a specific region, it's a world phone, unlucky doesn't fully support T-Mobile 4G UTMS network (1700/2100), but still a good option for those who travel to other continents.
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Tmobile uses AWS for 4g LTE which requires 2100/1700 frequency. The GT-i9505 only supports 2100mhz i believe, which is not enough.
I think the GT-i9505 supports one of the several frequencies that Tmobile uses for HDSPA, so HDSPA coverage may be a bit spotty with the phone. This was referenced off the top of my head, but I had done some research online about this before as I had similar questions as you.
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Flashing just the modem doesn't work either?
I haven't tried flashing modems into another devices that don't correspond to their own. I can't help you with that answer at this time
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Flashing just the modem doesn't work either?
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I haven't tried flashing modems into another devices that don't correspond to their own. I can't help you with that answer at this time
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i asked that because i have an att atrix, on which its possible to flash european modems without a problem, thanks for your time man, i hope someone will try this and it works
Question...are all those other things i've been hearing about other ppl successfully getting 4g reception after doing something to either with the aws band's, or to the software true? does anyone know for sure? i'm very thankful for any input, as i've been hearing so many conflicting things when it comes to the i9505 and getting 4g service with t-mobile, i just want a proven answer :/
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Question...are all those other things i've been hearing about other ppl successfully getting 4g reception after doing something to either with the aws band's, or to the software true? does anyone know for sure? i'm very thankful for any input, as i've been hearing so many conflicting things when it comes to the i9505 and getting 4g service with t-mobile, i just want a proven answer :/
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T-mobile is 4g lte and super fast
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crnkoj said:
Hey so looking at the wiki that you guys posted up there it says following for the tmobile version: 700 MHz (Band 17), CLR, AWS, PCS, IMT, IMT-E
now i somehow got my hand on one of these devices in europe for rather cheap and totally new, so im confused now what these CLR, AWS, PCS, IMT, IMT-E are, does any of these stand for any other than the 700mhz band? like 1700/1800mhz? or in other words, is it possible to get lte to work in europe with the tmobile usa s4? Can the modem perhaps be flashed with an i9505 one and than get the additional bands or is the hardware actualyl that different (as in antennas and amplifiers)?
Its not really a dealbreaker for me as LTE in my country is quite some time away but still, would like to know.
thanks
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I bought my S4 T-mobile (SGH-M919) in USA. And it is fine working in Spain with 4G. But when i have upgraded it to Marshmallow then only works with HSPA(H+) as better. Change baseband? i am not sure to do it...mmmm
does anybody know where i can buy it from outside US ?
when calling ATT, they keep asking for ssn so non-us citizen can buy it
(living in Canada)
thanks !
mrdindon said:
does anybody know where i can buy it from outside US ?
when calling ATT, they keep asking for ssn so non-us citizen can buy it
(living in Canada)
thanks !
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My understanding is that the AT&T Note 8 is only available in the US. So the short answer to your question is -- nowhere.
Maybe find one on ebay?
kenmitch said:
Maybe find one on ebay?
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I wish... but couldn't find any on the web..
There was 1 on ebay US when I posted. BIN $550 but not sure if they shkp to CA tho.
Mine was delivered yesterday. I added 2 lines to my share plan. Got 1 S4 Active and a Note 8 LTE for $362 shipped. The Active I'm selling and terminating the line. Needed to buy Active for $99 to get the Note 8 for $199. If I get the $100 billing credit it showed I got.a smoken deal.
The AT&T promotion might make more available on eBay possibly.
There is an sgh-i467M model for Canada. Samsung just hasn't released the details about it yet. Pretty sure it's coming here and it will be different than the U.S. one. Maybe give it one more week. Starting to see leaks about July 11.
Streakr said:
There is an sgh-i467M model for Canada. Samsung just hasn't released the details about it yet. Pretty sure it's coming here and it will be different than the U.S. one. Maybe give it one more week. Starting to see leaks about July 11.
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I dont think it will be so different... I guess the "M" in the sgh-i467M is for marketing
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I dont think it will be so different... I guess the "M" in the sgh-i467M is for marketing
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You could be right but I don't remember seeing a difference with the Note II. There's always the advantage of the proper frequencies and warranty coverage though.
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You could be right but I don't remember seeing a difference with the Note II. There's always the advantage of the proper frequencies and warranty coverage though.
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SGH-I467 uses north-american lte frequencies so its the same for Canada and US
Finally found one on ebay, should arrive in a few days
I just dont get it why nobody sells them yet on ebay !!
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I dont think it will be so different... I guess the "M" in the sgh-i467M is for marketing
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mrdindon said:
SGH-I467 uses north-american lte frequencies so its the same for Canada and US
Finally found one on ebay, should arrive in a few days
I just dont get it why nobody sells them yet on ebay !!
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Well for one thing the LTE Bands most used in Canada is the AWS 1700/2100 and then the 2600 Band. Most people in Canada don't want the AT&T version. They want the full version with phone function. The HK or Singapore version has the 2600 LTE Band but you have to watch out for the HSPA Bands because some of those models are missing the 1900 3G Band. Rogers/Fido uses the 2600 Band though it's not as large an area as the AWS Band. The HK version should work but I don't know of anyone here with one to test.
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Well for one thing the LTE Bands most used in Canada is the AWS 1700/2100 and then the 2600 Band. Most people in Canada don't want the AT&T version. They want the full version with phone function. The HK or Singapore version has the 2600 LTE Band but you have to watch out for the HSPA Bands because some of those models are missing the 1900 3G Band. Rogers/Fido uses the 2600 Band though it's not as large an area as the AWS Band. The HK version should work but I don't know of anyone here with one to test.
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I tought the sgh-i467 wasn't the hk version but the att version ... don't att and rogers uses the exact same frequency range ?
also, for the phone feature, it's not in the sgh-i467 ? do you mean only the apk was removed or also the microphone ?
thanks !
mrdindon said:
I tought the sgh-i467 wasn't the hk version but the att version ... don't att and rogers uses the exact same frequency range ?
also, for the phone feature, it's not in the sgh-i467 ? do you mean only the apk was removed or also the microphone ?
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I'm talking about the device as it relates to it's N5120 LTE version number not specifically the source code numbers sgh-i467, sgh-i467M. The AT&T version removed the phone earpiece hardware from their model. If you look at the HK model you will see the earpiece speaker above the Samsung logo. I don't know if the internals have been changed but the source code doesn't allow for phone function. People are trying to get the phone function to work through Bluetooth or wired headphones but I haven't heard of anyone doing it yet.
In Canada the 2 LTE Bands are AWS 1700/2100 and the 2600.
I think AT&T also use the AWS and the other one is 800 or something like that. Ok so it's the 700 not 800.
I was looking at the tech specs for the new HTC One and T-Mobile has less support for LTE bands.
Is it just a matter of HTC referring only to the bands that matter to each carrier or is it actually a question of different radios.
I ask because apparently the Google Play edition follows T-Mobile's hardware (possibly to provide support for both US GSM carriers), and makes it a no deal for international customers that need support to other bands.
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I was looking at the tech specs for the new HTC One and T-Mobile has less support for LTE bands.
Is it just a matter of HTC referring only to the bands that matter to each carrier or is it actually a question of different radios.
I ask because apparently the Google Play edition follows T-Mobile's hardware (possibly to provide support for both US GSM carriers), and makes it a no deal for international customers that need support to other bands.
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In the review on Engadget they say there are 6 different versions of the phone. It seems the everyone who got it early for review received the international version without US LTE support. These are the radios for the AT&T and T-Mobile versions.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
AT&T: (850/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
AT&T: (700/850/AWS/1800/1900/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
I've been looking into it myself because I'd like to get the T-Mobile version and flash the GPE rom and it does look like the GPE is the same hardware as T-Mobile's copy.
I really hate how these companies make a bunch of different hardware configurations. They're obviously capable of putting all the radios in one device, LG did it for AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint with the Nexus 5. N5 on T-Mobile is my current phone, I'm still trying to decide if the M8 is a worthy upgrade.
Yes the lack of compatibility between the two carriers is extremely annoying. I have the Dev Edition of M7 right now and it irks me to no end that I am stuck with AT&T with it. I'd totally buy the M8 if it supports all the frequencies of the AT&T version PLUS AWS for HSPA+.
I travel overseas a lot and I am very disappointed that I get more usage out of my old Samsung Galaxy S2 than the M7.
So how does this translate for M8 bought from somewhere else but used on T-Mobile network. I have ordered the M8 from Amazon (Prime shipping FTW), but it does not mention LTE bands.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/tech-data/B00J3554KE/ref=de_a_smtd
If I assume all non carrier branded M8 are the same, would the Play store description be accurate?
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_m8
Play store description mentions "700 MHz, AWS", which is a match with the engadget article "T-Mobile: (700/AWS)".
Would flashing a different radio software allow getting past incompatibilities, or the hardware itself is set to specific bands.
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Just noticed this note at the bottom of Play Store page:
Compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile in the US. Check with your carrier for details about coverage.
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But also noticed this on the Amazon page:
4G LTE (1900 MHz) with availability in limited markets; 3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
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From quick research, T-Mobile will get LTE in 1900MHZ by "end of 2014". I think I need to ask around a bit on Amazon/T-mobile and research some more...
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So how does this translate for M8 bought from somewhere else but used on T-Mobile network. I have ordered the M8 from Amazon (Prime shipping FTW), but it does not mention LTE bands.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/tech-data/B00J3554KE/ref=de_a_smtd
If I assume all non carrier branded M8 are the same, would the Play store description be accurate?
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_m8
Play store description mentions "700 MHz, AWS", which is a match with the engadget article "T-Mobile: (700/AWS)".
Would flashing a different radio software allow getting past incompatibilities, or the hardware itself is set to specific bands.
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Someone with more knowledge of radios can probably give a better answer than me but, as I said earlier, at first glance it looks like the Play Store (GPE) version has the same radios as the T-Mobile version. There's also a YouTube video of someone using a T-Mobile sim in their Verizon copy and it worked although, according to the data in the Engadget review, I don't think data speeds are as fast as they would be with the T-Mobile specific phone, at least on HSPA+.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
Verizon: (850/900/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
Verizon: (700/AWS/1800/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
These are the radios in the GPE version
GSM/GPRS/EDGE quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA/UMTS quad-band 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
3G (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
HSDPA 21, HSUPA 5.76
4G LTE (700 MHz, AWS)
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Someone with more knowledge of radios can probably give a better answer than me but, as I said earlier, at first glance it looks like the Play Store (GPE) version has the same radios as the T-Mobile version. There's also a YouTube video of someone using a T-Mobile sim in their Verizon copy and it worked although, according to the data in the Engadget review, I don't think data speeds are as fast as they would be with the T-Mobile specific phone, at least on HSPA+.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
Verizon: (850/900/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
Verizon: (700/AWS/1800/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
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I see some not so heartening details on Amazon/Play store. Updated my previous post. Will need a bit of research regarding the radio flashing as well as the LTE bands, but looks like T-Mobile and Amazon M8 may have trouble playing together.
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I see some not so heartening details on Amazon/Play store. Updated my previous post. Will need a bit of research regarding the radio flashing as well as the LTE bands, but looks like T-Mobile and Amazon M8 may have trouble playing together.
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I just looked at the one Amazon is selling and it seems to me to be a Sprint version, although I don't know that the radios listed are actually correct since the Engadget article said all versions will support GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) and there's no mention of those on the Amazon product page. There's no mention of GSM or HSPA/HSPA+ at all so based on their data it wouldn't work with AT&T or T-Mobile.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Un...52509-3704704?ie=UTF8&n=2335752011&s=wireless
3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
LTE (1900 MHz)
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I just looked at the one Amazon is selling and it seems to me to be a Sprint version, although I don't know that the radios listed are actually correct since the Engadget article said all versions will support GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) and there's no mention of those on the Amazon product page. There's no mention of GSM or HSPA/HSPA+ at all so based on their data it wouldn't work with AT&T or T-Mobile.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Un...52509-3704704?ie=UTF8&n=2335752011&s=wireless
3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
LTE (1900 MHz)
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Not sure, but maybe the data over there is not accurate? Even the Amazon M8 page for ATT version shows the same information.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Gunmetal-Grey/dp/B00IZ1VNZ2
This thread over on the M8 forum does not have much concrete info either:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694630
The radio situation is indeed a veritable mess. I wonder if there are any real tech/cost challenges which limit the radio compatibility or is it just the carriers being evil. I assume a standard hardware chip across all devices will be easier and cheaper to put in, so it must be the evil carriers forcing HTC then.
I am somewhat banking on the fact that unlocked phones (the one on Amazon) are most likely to be GSM compatible. Must get in touch with Amazon customer care I suppose rather than ranting here.
The Anandtech review actually shows that the GPe version combines the best of AT&T and T-Mobile!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
It should work for both carriers.
It is instead missing WCDMA 900 so not optimal if you want to use it in Asia/Europe.
Elythor said:
The Anandtech review actually shows that the GPe version combines the best of AT&T and T-Mobile!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
It should work for both carriers.
It is instead missing WCDMA 900 so not optimal if you want to use it in Asia/Europe.
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I did see somewhere that the DE has AT&T radios and the GPE has T-Mobile but that really doesn't make a lot of sense. I trust Anand so I think they're probably the most accurate.
So to understand if I bought a tmobile version it work on at&t and verizons networks as well? I thought Verizon just had cdma phones not Gsm like tmobile and at&t
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xda23 said:
So to understand if I bought a tmobile version it work on at&t and verizons networks as well? I thought Verizon just had cdma phones not Gsm like tmobile and at&t
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No, T-mobile version will work for AT&T but not for Verizon.
What a ridiculous mess! Carriers shouldn't dictate what bands the phone comes in and they should all just be released in ONE model for GSM and all carriers get it.
I understand needing special models for Sprint and Verizon but for GSM its getting ridiculous.
Even the tmobile version doesn't show the 1700 frequency. Isn't that a requirement to be fully compatible with tmobile??
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The Amazon AT&T page updated to show following specs for network:
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IZ1VNZ2
3G - WCDMA: Domestic 850/1900MHz with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps; Roaming 2100 MHz -- 4G – LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900MHz; Roaming 1800/2600 MHz
Developer edition specs were also updated to show same specs.
http://smile.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Developer-Edition/dp/B00J3AYHOI/
The unlocked version (non developer shows Verizon like specs). Hope they are more accurate now.
EtherealRemnant said:
What a ridiculous mess! Carriers shouldn't dictate what bands the phone comes in and they should all just be released in ONE model for GSM and all carriers get it.
I understand needing special models for Sprint and Verizon but for GSM its getting ridiculous.
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Exactly can't understand what the morons at HTC are doing.
Anandtech has clarified the radio stuff in the first page of their review.
http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
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busab said:
Even the tmobile version doesn't show the 1700 frequency. Isn't that a requirement to be fully compatible with tmobile??
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AWS = T-Mobile frequencies
AT&T, Unlock, and Dev versions will work on T-Mobile.
LTE = YES
HSPA+ = Depends if you area has LTE or HSPA converted from AWS to 1900
2G = YES
T-mobile version loses spectrum for LTE due to spectrum deals and HSPA+ spectrum support.
Qualcomm charges to license spectrum for their radio chips. Also it requires more hardware to support more frequencies. There has to be give and take, and would you pay $900 for the HTC One if it supported more frequencies?
Tidbits said:
AWS = T-Mobile frequencies
AT&T, Unlock, and Dev versions will work on T-Mobile.
LTE = YES
HSPA+ = Depends if you area has LTE or HSPA converted from AWS to 1900
2G = YES
T-mobile version loses spectrum for LTE due to spectrum deals and HSPA+ spectrum support.
Qualcomm charges to license spectrum for their radio chips. Also it requires more hardware to support more frequencies. There has to be give and take, and would you pay $900 for the HTC One if it supported more frequencies?
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Really? Apple has all the bands in one model. $350 Nexus 5 has all the necessary bands. So it is bull that it costs more, they just screw up every time. By the way I use the unlocked model and enjoying the M8 but no excuse for not having a single gsm model.
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kirdroid said:
Really? Apple has all the bands in one model. $350 Nexus 5 has all the necessary bands. So it is bull that it costs more, they just screw up every time. By the way I use the unlocked model and enjoying the M8 but no excuse for not having a single gsm model.
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Sorry I firmly believe Google subsidizes a bit of the cost for their phones. They are using the console model to generate revenue.
Apple devices have a premium cost compared to majority of the items out there and doesn't include how much they make from iTunes.
The T-Mobile version is cheaper than the other GSM models.
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Sorry I firmly believe Google subsidizes a bit of the cost for their phones. They are using the console model to generate revenue.
Apple devices have a premium cost compared to majority of the items out there and doesn't include how much they make from iTunes.
The T-Mobile version is cheaper than the other GSM models.
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Ok I will give you one more example...Sony unlocked devices in Sony store cost same as HTC One and they have all the necessary radios to work perfectly on r T-Mobile and AT&T. It's not that hard you know if you want to do a single gsm model.
And no Google is not subsidizing $500 or something, may be little bit they take a hit on profits from selling hardware but in no way they are fools to subsidize huge dollars. Like T-Mobile was selling Nexus 5 for $500 or something? Which might be the actual price.
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