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AT&T VS International?

So from my understanding,
The international one is Tegra 3 while the ATT model is a S4?
Is there a huge difference in performance between the two?
i mean.. one is quad,,and the other is only a dual..

tian105 said:
So from my understanding,
The international one is Tegra 3 while the ATT model is a S4?
Is there a huge difference in performance between the two?
i mean.. one is quad,,and the other is only a dual..
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There's fairly lengthy disucssion on this over on the One XL forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1609878

Yes but the S4 has proven that quad isn't necessarily better than dual! The performance is almost the same, in some cases the S4 is even better (not THAT better tho) but in others (like multitasking and gaming) the Tegra 3 really shines
*performance-wise*

if they both had 32 gb, then i'd have to decide. as is, i don't want a 16 limit.

Considering that ICS is GPU accelerated when It comes to UI, wouldnt the T3 version feel smoother than S4? (gestures and UI interactions, not loading speeds) Since its GPU is better capapble than the Adreno 225. I mean thats why the GNEX doesnt feel as smooth as a SGS2 for example, the dual core TI OMAP has some seriously powerful CPU but subpar GPU to push that 720p screen...
Just a thought
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AT&T: 28 nm Cortex-A15 Base
Int'l: 40 nm Cortex-A9 Base
It's like comparing a 1st gen quadcore to a current gen dualcore in the pc world (maybe not that drastic, but you get the point)
The Adreno 225 is only marginally slower in gaming, not enough to make a fuss over. According to my contact at AT&T it is perfectly smooth.
http://briefmobile.com/htc-one-x-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidia-tegra-3-comparison

Thank everyone for posting your opinions!
After reading the link BarryH_GEG Provided,
I have made the decision to passup the X and to get the XL instead. For the following reasons:
1. better battery life.
2. LTE
3. More snappiness due to OS utilization?
4. Quadcore is useless to me in real life. Why? because the first quadcore desktop CPU launched almost 7 years ago. Even until now, software developers are just slowly learning to utilize more than two cores.
Ready to buy, tomorrow!
And thank everyone again

designgears said:
AT&T: 28 nm Cortex-A15 Base
Int'l: 40 nm Cortex-A9 Base
It's like comparing a 1st gen quadcore to a current gen dualcore in the pc world (maybe not that drastic, but you get the point)
The Adreno 225 is only marginally slower in gaming, not enough to make a fuss over. According to my contact at AT&T it is perfectly smooth.
http://briefmobile.com/htc-one-x-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidia-tegra-3-comparison
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on a side note, will you be developing for the XL ?

designgears said:
AT&T: 28 nm Cortex-A15 Base
Int'l: 40 nm Cortex-A9 Base
It's like comparing a 1st gen quadcore to a current gen dualcore in the pc world (maybe not that drastic, but you get the point)
The Adreno 225 is only marginally slower in gaming, not enough to make a fuss over. According to my contact at AT&T it is perfectly smooth.
http://briefmobile.com/htc-one-x-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidia-tegra-3-comparison
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The snapdragon s4 is based on krait which is totally different from A15. Performance is only slightly better than A9 in terms of integer but vastly better for floating point and memory bandwidth. The Adreno 225 is much slower than the geforce in tegra3. But it wont be felt in general UI and games since they hardly tax the 220 before it and even the several times slower 205 runs most games like deadspace without a problem.

tian105 said:
because the first quadcore desktop CPU launched almost 7 years ago. Even until now, software developers are just slowly learning to utilize more than two cores.
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i actually bought the Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme quite a few years ago and the only thing i have had to upgrade for gaming is the video card and RAM. i imagine i'm going to get a few more years of high quality gaming out of this PC before i need to upgrade. i don't have DDR3 RAM or PCI Express 3, but i doubt it matters much. i just hope the CPU doesn't die before then! i'm just shocked at how long i've been able to stay on the quad, and now they have 8 cores?

tian105 said:
on a side note, will you be developing for the XL ?
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lol..we will wish him good luck

tian105 said:
on a side note, will you be developing for the XL ?
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I sure plan on it, hope to release a rom at some point for it.
Trying to dump the X for the XL(AT&T) right now.

You get one thing with Teg3 you don't with the S4. A really cool game. It's built in to the system and really visualizes the Teg3 chip in action. And being the only Teg3 phone on the market, it's a One X exclusive.
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That's right! It's your battery indicator! Imagine how impressed your friends will be when they actually get to watch your battery life count down in real time. Thier phones can't do anything as trick.

BarryH_GEG said:
You get one thing with Teg3 you don't with the S4. A really cool game. It's built in to the system and really visualizes the Teg3 chip in action. And being the only Teg3 phone on the market, it's a One X exclusive.
That's right! It's your battery indicator! Imagine how impressed your friends will be when they actually get to watch your battery life count down in real time. Thier phones can't do anything as trick.
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LOL, nice one

brent8577 said:
i actually bought the Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme quite a few years ago and the only thing i have had to upgrade for gaming is the video card and RAM. i imagine i'm going to get a few more years of high quality gaming out of this PC before i need to upgrade. i don't have DDR3 RAM or PCI Express 3, but i doubt it matters much. i just hope the CPU doesn't die before then! i'm just shocked at how long i've been able to stay on the quad, and now they have 8 cores?
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my point exactly!
cheers!

designgears said:
LOL, nice one
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I'm sounding *****y but I'm really happy with the phone. After some charging cycles I'm getting decent battery life based on the way I use it. I'm going on a trip Friday which will be the real test as I'm much heavier on my phone when I'm on the road. I'd still recommend it and I like the larger amount of storage. So don't let my sarcasm put people off, it's still a great device.

Odd CPU scaling behaviour

I've been playing around with TegraStats for a while now and found out, that the CPU's up- and downscaling acts kinda weird from time to time.
For example, running CPU intensive tasks like Antutu benchmark will fire up all four cores, but maximum clock was always 1200 MHz instead of 1400 MHz. Seems kinda "capped" through kernel parameters (correct me if I'm wrong).
So I've tried Shadowgun after benchmarking. In this case, the CPU scaled down to around 360 MHz from time to time, resulting in heavy stuttering during gameplay in huge environments. That's what really bothered me, 'cause same happened with Riptide GP from time to time, just random encounters.
So I installed good old ROM Toolbox (very nice tool by the way) and enforced Performance governor.
Result of this was that cores 0 and 1 scaled very nicely during gameplay (Shadowgun), but cores 2 and 3 were shut down permanently. Really weird stuff, but the game ran much, much better with just those 2 very stable scaling cores!
My best guess is that HTC really messed up the default governor, I hope they'll release kernel sources soon, so our kernel devs can take a look at this.

more2come said:
My best guess is that HTC really messed up the default governor, I hope they'll release kernel sources soon, so our kernel devs can take a look at this.
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Nvidia's low-level code and drivers are proprietary and have been since Teg2. So there's only so much the devs (and HTC) can do.
What you're describing is exactly what happened to the Asus Prime when the first few updates were released. Clock speeds were locked (that hadn't been) and the way the cores worked together was modified and in the process both performance and battery life were lost. It appears that in real world use the way the processors step is very different than Nvidia's marketing material.
I'd be willing to bet you that you'll observe different results using different updates. Code and drivers are going to be modified to fix the graphics issues and improve battery life and those changes are going to alter the way the processor taps and manages the different cores.
Does your phone flicker? It would be interesting to see the results of TegraStats on flickering vs. non-flickering phones. It's a shame you have to be rooted to use it because that limits the number of people who can post results.
Is there some sort of test you can come up with that people can use to compare different phones to see if the results are different? I'm not rooted or I'd help.

I never experienced any flickering so far, seems to be just fine!
Well, easiest part to reproduce is test 1, I guess. Your phone needs to be rooted, you need TegraStats from the Play Store and Antutu Benchmark.
During CPU benchmarking, all four cores are at 100% load, but they're stuck at 1.2 GHz.
Another thing that bothers me is the browser performance with web pages that include alot of different content, like the desktop page of engadget.com .
The One X lags alot during pinch to zoom, I think it's because of text reflow and constant repositioning of pictures and flash content. But with performance governor, the browser runs like hell!
I'll keep playing around with some settings, will post them here if something useful comes out.

What sort of Quadrant/ Antutu scores are you getting with performance governer?

When I test my phone they stay at 1.4 but do go to 1.5 in games but not in benchmarks, maybe the CPU has a turbo boost of some sort.
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Cpu also spikes when you scroll between screens. Largely due to the carousel effect on Sense. Spikes too much imo. They need to optimize Sense for the Tegra 3.
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I read that 1.5Ghz was the fastest single core speed and for multi cores the fastest is 1.4Ghz. So a benchmark using all cores will hit 1.4Ghz but a game running on a single core will hit 1.5Ghz...
"Up to Single Core 1.5 GHz /Quad-Core 1.4 GHz"
Has anyone been able to test this with the One X yet? I know it works with my Transformer Prime
"3D Stereo Gaming - This capability leverages NVIDIA’s award-winning NVIDIA 3D Vision® technology to automatically, and in real-time, convert OpenGL based games and apps into Stereo 3D."

Tried setting up Performance and my system became somewhat unstable.
Running ARHD 5.0 @ Firmware 1.29
Browser didnt rly improve in performance, too. Compared the desktop site of engadget with interactive and performance. Both performed pretty poor here.
Plus: With performance I get 1400Mhz constantly, and my phone heated up pretty fast pretty bad. In regular homescreen use I easily reached 40 degrees whereas with interactive I usually reach tops of 32-33 degrees....

TremF said:
I read that 1.5Ghz was the fastest single core speed and for multi cores the fastest is 1.4Ghz. So a benchmark using all cores will hit 1.4Ghz but a game running on a single core will hit 1.5Ghz...
"Up to Single Core 1.5 GHz /Quad-Core 1.4 GHz"
Has anyone been able to test this with the One X yet? I know it works with my Transformer Prime
"3D Stereo Gaming - This capability leverages NVIDIA’s award-winning NVIDIA 3D Vision® technology to automatically, and in real-time, convert OpenGL based games and apps into Stereo 3D."
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just tested for you
1) all 4 cores on during benchmark
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2) 2 cores disabled (dual core)
as you can see with 4 cores the max was 1.2GHZ where as on only 2 cores the max was 1.4GHZ
even with setting the max cores to 1 it still used 2 cores so i concluded it wouldn't be a fair test.

I wonder if HTC have messed with the CPU working somehow? Nvidia def state "Up to Single Core 1.5 GHz /Quad-Core 1.4 GHz" here.
and the test I was asking about was the 3D Stereo Gaming
I like how with my Prime there's 3 diff settings. Powersave - 1.0Ghz, Standard 1.2Ghz and Full speed (not the actual names but I don't have my Prime in front of me) 1.4Ghz so you can set it depending on what you are doing. Plus with root and overclock upto 1.6Ghz or 1.7/8Ghz with kernal change/custom rom.

TremF said:
I wonder if HTC have messed with the CPU working somehow? Nvidia def state "Up to Single Core 1.5 GHz /Quad-Core 1.4 GHz" here.
and the test I was asking about was the 3D Stereo Gaming
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still going to count the tests as valid lol, on 4 cores my phone only got to 1.2 GHz where you posted it should be 1.4 which was only the case on 2 cores.

This is going to work the same way it works for "Regular" computer CPUs.
Core i7 scales frequencies (and does turboboost) depending on the overral load. You get the highest boost with just one core, a little lower with two, and very little with all of them (this depends on package heat dissipation and is usually set by BIOS in laptops - not sure about desktops). For computers, there is software called Throttlestop which allows you to tune some of these parameters, not sure what can be done on Tegra3.

treebill said:
still going to count the tests as valid lol, on 4 cores my phone only got to 1.2 GHz where you posted it should be 1.4 which was only the case on 2 cores.
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Aye. Can't argue with proper test results. I think for games I'll stick to my Prime with 1.6Ghz max, less heat and more battery

Weird problem CPU clocked at 1000 MHz why?

Hi am currently running on arhd 6.0.0 bricked kernel 0.3 why is my CPU clocked at 1000mhz and why not 1500 MHz?
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See the screenshot here..
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If battery is below a certain level (not sure about the % someone else might help) the CPU underclocks to 1GHz to save battery

harsharockzzz said:
Hi am currently running on arhd 6.0.0 bricked kernel 0.3 why is my CPU clocked at 1000mhz and why not 1500 MHz?
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if your battery is less than 30%, the CPU frequency is set to 1GHZ.
The Tegra 3 is set to the following frequencies:
1.5GHz max for 1 core
1.4GHz max for 2 cores
1.2 GHz max for 3 to 4 cores

Bigmille said:
if your battery is less than 30%, the CPU frequency is set to 1GHZ.
The Tegra 3 is set to the following frequencies:
1.5GHz max for 1 core
1.4GHz max for 2 cores
1.2 GHz max for 3 to 4 cores
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So by your logic.. even if the phone is charged to 100% the frequency will be 1200 mhz if all the cores are working ?

harsharockzzz said:
So by your logic.. even if the phone is charged to 100% the frequency will be 1200 mhz if all the cores are working ?
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I think he's correct, if you are using all 4 cores then the max clock speed is 1200MHz. 4 cores at 1200MHz will out perform 1 at 1500MHz of course so it's not as if you'd be better off on 1 core or anything like that.

farnsbarns said:
I think he's correct, if you are using all 4 cores then the max clock speed is 1200MHz. 4 cores at 1200MHz will out perform 1 at 1500MHz of course so it's not as if you'd be better off on 1 core or anything like that.
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and just to double the correctness
look at terga stats at bottom on screens
4 cores bench
2 cores bench

My friends hox did this he did a factory reset and it fixed the core speed.

Here are the screen shorts of running AnTuTu on 2 cores, 3 cores and 4 cores
2 cores = 1.4 GHz maximum
3 cores = 1.2 to 1.4 GHz maximum
4 cores = 1.2 GHz maximum
Set no of cores using CoreControl
Monitor CPU usage using Tablet CPU Usage
Hope this will clear up any questions.

harsharockzzz said:
So by your logic.. even if the phone is charged to 100% the frequency will be 1200 mhz if all the cores are working ?
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Yes. That is how the processor is designed. It isn't "his" logic it is Nvidia's.

joshnichols189 said:
Yes. That is how the processor is designed. It isn't "his" logic it is Nvidia's.
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Yup running 1.5 on 4 cores would over heat and is monster over kill
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treebill said:
Yup running 1.5 on 4 cores would over heat and is monster over kill
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Running on 4 cores is monster overkill period.
I've been running on 2 cores for the last couple of days and everything runs fine inc demanding games (GTA III, Dark Meadow and Shadow Gun).
P.S. I did found the game loads a bit slower than running on 4 cores.

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Running on 4 cores is monster overkill period. I've been running on 2 cores for the last couple of days and everything runs fine inc demanding games (GTA III, Dark Meadow and Shadow Gun).
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Agreed if you install tegra stats you'll see it doesn't often run all 4 cores. I'm doing the same just running on 2 cores.
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I can confirm that...
I tried a few games last weekend, after setting only two active cores and got less heating and mostly just a tricke of discharge while plugged into the wall charger - whereas before I would get overheating and fast discharge even when connected to the mains
PS - discharge while charger plugged in only with 3D demanding games (shadowgun and GreatLittleWarGame)
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Snapdragon 808 vs Snapdragon 650/652? Which is better?

hello, I wanted to know from 3 processors, which of the 3 best yields in games, heating etc? Greetings and thank you

Anyone know?

Clearly the 808 I would guess.

RogerF81 said:
Clearly the 808 I would guess.
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Nope.
650 is better.
http://mobile.hdblog.it/2016/01/15/Chip-confronto-Snapdragon-650-vs-808-vs-Helio-X10/

Cloudus91 said:
Nope.
650 is better.
http://mobile.hdblog.it/2016/01/15/Chip-confronto-Snapdragon-650-vs-808-vs-Helio-X10/
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Oh, I find this really surprising!

RogerF81 said:
Oh, I find this really surprising!
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The 808 and 810 were "bad" cpus from Qualcomm as they both had major issues with overheating and were mostly stock arm design (A57/A53). While the 650 is also a stock design the big cores are now A72 and that should come with some performance gain. It is worth noting the that 650 is 28nm HPm but the 808 was 20nm HPm and that should give the 808 a edge for power use but that could be canceled out by core design.
Please note that the links below are about a combination of of core design and fabrication process. In the case of 808 -> 650 you get a better core but a less ideal fabrication.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9184/arm-reveals-cortex-a72-architecture-details
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/arm-details-its-new-high-end-cpu-core-cortex-a72/

The 820 runs games perfect. Max settings with no frame drops over here. Its power consumption is quite low too

Kye2000 said:
The 820 runs games perfect. Max settings with no frame drops over here. Its power consumption is quite low too
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Well, besides the 821, I think the 820 is the best Snapdragon out there. But the price is accordingly to that, unfortunately...

lart2150 said:
The 808 and 810 were "bad" cpus from Qualcomm as they both had major issues with overheating and were mostly stock arm design (A57/A53). While the 650 is also a stock design the big cores are now A72 and that should come with some performance gain. It is worth noting the that 650 is 28nm HPm but the 808 was 20nm HPm and that should give the 808 a edge for power use but that could be canceled out by core design.
Please note that the links below are about a combination of of core design and fabrication process. In the case of 808 -> 650 you get a better core but a less ideal fabrication.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9184/arm-reveals-cortex-a72-architecture-details
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/arm-details-its-new-high-end-cpu-core-cortex-a72/
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I can see the adreno 418 inside the 808 is on par on the adreno 510 of the snapdragon 652? Am i right?
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I can see the adreno 418 inside the 808 is on par on the adreno 510 of the snapdragon 652? Am i right?
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808 vs 652 should get about the same 3d graphics.
http://www.gsmarena.com/antutu_benc...napdragon_820_tops_competition-news-17097.php

Complete Guide to AMD CPUs: Generations, Names, Good and Bad

AMD has been around for a long time trying its best to claw into Intel’s dominance in the CPU market. The past few years have seen the company really rise to the occasion and is now a popular choice among gamers and PC enthusiasts. The reason for that is most of the modern AMD CPUs perform better than their Intel counterparts and thanks to their aggressive pricing, they provide great value for money.
Just like Intel, the company has a wide variety of competitive processors and APUs in various categories, and similarly, the nomenclature can be difficult to keep up with. In this post, I am going to try to clear some of the confusion when it comes to naming AMD’s processor range. To keep things simple, I have kept this guide limited to the company’s Ryzen processors that are based on the Zen microarchitecture. There are a total of four generations of the Zen microarchitecture:
First Generation: AMD Ryzen 1000 CPUs, 14nm Zen architecture (March 2017)
Second Generation: AMD Ryzen 2000 CPUs, 12nm Zen+ architecture (April 2018)
Third Generation: AMD Ryzen 3000 CPUs/Ryzen 4000 APUs, 7nm Zen 2 architecture (July 2019)
Fourth Generation: AMD Ryzen 5000 CPUs, 7nm Zen 3 architecture (November 2020)
Rather than using Zen, Zen 2, Zen 3, etc. AMD chose to name its second-generation Zen+. The family of processors is denoted by the ‘Ryzen’ branding which is similar to how Intel uses ‘Core’. There is also a number affixed to the name where the higher you go, the more cores and processing power you get:
Ryzen 3: Quad-core processors primarily used for budget-friendly PCs. Comparable to Intel Core i3 series
Ryzen 5: Made for high-performance processors capable of handling heavy multitasking and gaming. Available with quad-core and six-core configuration and comparable to Intel’s Core i5 series.
Ryzen 7: These are meant for enthusiasts or ‘prosumer’ available with quad-core going up to an octa-core configuration. These are comparable to Intel Core i7 processors
Ryzen 9: Targeting serious professionals including professional gamers, content creators, and creative professionals who need maximum performance. These are available from octa-core configuration going up to 16-cores. These are as good or even better than Intel’s Core i9 series.
Threadripper: AMD’s HEDT or high-end desktop CPU, the Ryzen Threadripper delivers the highest possible performance and is available with up to 64 cores and 128 threads. These are meant for professional workloads and are comparable to Intel’s Xeon line of processors.
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These model names remain constant throughout generations. What differs is the processor name. For instance, a Ryzen 9 5950X is more powerful than the Ryzen 9 5900X.
AMD also uses suffixes when it comes to naming its processors:
No Suffix- Standard desktop processors.
X- High-performance desktop processors that require discrete graphics cards.
XT- CPUs with boosted clock speed and performance compared to processors with the ‘X’ suffix.
G- CPUs with integrated graphics.
S- Low power consumption desktop processor with integrated graphics.
H- High-performance processors with integrated graphics for laptops. Mostly for gaming and other high-end laptops.
U- CPUs used in thin and light laptops and mobile devices. They have lower clock speeds and consume less power.
The latest-gen Ryzen 5000 series CPUs currently the best processors from the company. What I like about the Ryzen series is that if you are running a Ryzen 3000 series, you can upgrade to the latest generation without having to buy a new motherboard. AMD had confirmed that a simple BIOS update should bring support for new newer CPUs. You do have to consider an important factor though. A majority of AMD's mainstream desktop processors do not come with integrated graphics. This means that you need a dedicated graphics card if you want to use a Ryzen CPU.

I am using ryzen 5 2500u based Laptop and I can play Demanding games at low - med settings easily. Thanks to inbuilt vega 8 Graphics....

Sidgup1998 said:
I am using ryzen 5 2500u based Laptop and I can play Demanding games at low - med settings easily. Thanks to inbuilt vega 8 Graphics....
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Yeah AMD Vega is okay for games like League of Legends.
Lots of decent AMD powered laptops have been discounted lately so maybe you can get an upgrade at some point too. Definitely worth checking out the deals.

Good thing AMD has a high-end CPU with Integrated graphics like 5600G or 5700G

zoel.fahmi said:
Good thing AMD has a high-end CPU with Integrated graphics like 5600G or 5700G
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Yes, just too bad there are almost not one decent laptop with iGPU only - such thing should run for days on battery...
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=nb&xf=12128_17~12822_6~1482_AMD~8149_zzw~9_1920x1080
Whenever I check a model it turns me off quickly: soldered RAMs, battery inferiorally small... or something else.

I recently got a alienware m15 r5 ryzen edition with ryzen 7 5800h and rtx 3060 it's runs better than my desktop in certain applications it's run very close to ryzen 9 3900x and I have rtx 3070 I have been using amd since the phenom days I been really pleased how far amd has come to become one of the greatest cpus ever

I recently purchased a 2021 model HP pavilion 15z-eh100 and up'd the ram to 32gb with 1TB nvme m.2 2280. It has a Ryzen 5 5500U. Sort of false advertising imo. The Ryzen 5500U uses the older Zen 2 architecture and is not a Zen 3 CPU like the other Ryzen 5's are. I still compile roms on it but I believe I would have been much better off getting something more powerful. Something with Zen 3 architecture would have been a big difference.
(Updated after some months using HP pavilion)