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[Q] 30 FPS cap????

Does anyone have a work around for the 30 fps cap the Incredible has on the GPU?

What 30fps cap?
More like, it just doesn't have enough balls to hit 30+ fps, most the time

hahaha true true. I've read that HTC has capped the EVO and the Incredible at 30fps on the GPU.

No, just the Evo. Something to do with HDMI.

I would expect a higher quadrant score with the 1ghz processor the Droid X almost puts up the same numbers and it's running 2.1.

The GPU is making up for it. Quadrant is very GPU oriented.
That and the OMAP is faster. So its a lose-lose situation for us. The GPU in the X walks all over ours.
Kind of like integrated graphics vs a discrete graphics card in a computer.

Makes sense...too bad though I'm the type of guy that always has to have the latest and greatest don't get me wrong the incredible is a great phone can't beat the form factor but I wish it had a little more power under the hood in the area of graphics processing.

HeyItsLou said:
Makes sense...too bad though I'm the type of guy that always has to have the latest and greatest don't get me wrong the incredible is a great phone can't beat the form factor but I wish it had a little more power under the hood in the area of graphics processing.
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I agree 100%.

adrynalyne said:
The GPU is making up for it. Quadrant is very GPU oriented.
That and the OMAP is faster. So its a lose-lose situation for us. The GPU in the X walks all over ours.
Kind of like integrated graphics vs a discrete graphics card in a computer.
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It's pretty interesting actually. I thought the same thing, until I saw quadrant run on a droid X. It does get higher fps in most of the 3d tests, (the rotating planet/moon is really choppy and in the low teens of fps)
Anyway, because I had nothing better to spend my money on, I bought the advanced version of quadrant.
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The GPU does score a bit higher in 3d, though for whatever reason the I/O (read/write test) scores crazy high compared to anything else. That's where the most
of the score is coming from...
but on topic, there is no framerate cap. Download fps2d fro the android market and see for yourself.

It's interesting that you say that. I've been doing a lot of development work lately on the DInc and when transferring files I have been getting blazing speeds... much higher than on any other solid state/card reading device I own (why couldn't Nvidia stick a sexy little GPU in there... *sigh* just have to wait a couple years).

I think the lack of 3D performance on the Incredible is due to the drivers HTC includes for the Adreno GPU. I've read that the drivers they include aren't optimized or tweaked at all.
I remember there being a thread a while back about porting drivers from the Samsung devices using it since they were getting much better performance out of the same GPU. Anyone remember that or have any new info on that development?

I'm very disappointed with the Slackdragon chip. I hate the slow downs during game play. Asphalt consistently crashes on this phone.
The guys using the more than 3yr old HTC Vogue just got a new kernel and are enjoying over 30fps on Neocore. I have never reached 26fps. Granted they have DZO who's a brilliant programer but there is no reason why a phone that's years old and is not even an Android phone (at least not native) should be anywhere close to our phone. That phone came with a 400mhz chip and no drivers for the GPU.
I love the form factor and screen on this phone but I doubt any amount of overclocking will ever solve its problems. My next phone will definitely not have Qualcomm chip.
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I enjoy the phone for what it is.
Otherwise I would have returned it. If someone bought this phone thinking it was a gaming powerhouse...LOL?
Buyer beware, research first.
I will take a 1ghz CPU over a 550mhz CPU, even if it plays games better. I need it to be fast as a phone, not crappy slow except for games.
When Android starts being GPU driven, then I will pay more attention to faster gpus.
You can have the fastest GPU of all, and still run like crap. Ask Samsung Galaxy S owners who are suffering lag and slowness due to apps installing only to sd internal storage But hey, they run games fast!

Dude I didn't buy the phone to replace my xbox but it'd be nice if games didn't crash on my phone. On paper the snapdragon seems great but in all actuality the first Droid isn't far behind at all at half the speed and it out performs this phone when overclocked to 1.2ghz.
I still really like this phone especially now with Froyo but that doesn't mean I can't wish the snapdragon chip wasn't a slacker. I did my research and unless I went with the iphone (which I'd never get) I was not get better 3d performance...on paper. Even video slows down on this phone sometimes. That just doesn't seem right
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Take Froyo on both phones.
Run Linpack with Moto at 1.2ghz, and Dinc at 1ghz.
Chuckle at how much higher score the Dinc gets.
The game performance is about the same (with oc'ed Moto Droid taking the lead), but the rest is not even in the same ballpark as the Dinc.

It's likely capped at 30 fps to sync with display refresh rate (otherwise known as v sync ) and yes with modifications to the drivers it will be possible to increase this. But as for now I agree with adrenaline and enjoy the phone for what it is.
Don't get me wrong I'm always game for more performance but even at stock clock speeds the incredible is plenty fast. Faster gpu would be at the bottom of my list for tweaks to be made. Even so I'm sure someone will be working on it soon enough.
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Would you upgrade your ET4G to this phone? SHV-E120L

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Epic Touch 4G and would definitely buy Samsung again. I have to say I would consider upgrading to his phone if Sprint got it (a CDMA version) within the next year -
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/21/samsung-shv-e120l-comes-out-of-the-development-dark-is-the-xtin/
dual-core 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, 4.7-inch 1280 x 720 HD display, 2 megapixel front-facing / 8 megapixel rear camera, 1GB RAM, 16GB of onboard storage, WiFi, Bluetooth and NFC.
Yes, there is always something better coming and this is the only phone I would think about.

It looks like a good phone and the specs suggest the phone should be pretty awesome, but I don't see myself going away from the ET4G any time soon. The development is just starting and who knows what could be made out of this phone. It's good enough as is to compete with any phone so who knows what kind of performance we could see with stable roms/kernels/tweaks etc. The 4.52 inch screen is just the perfect size imo. Anything bigger might as well be considered a tablet.

I don't really need to go much bigger than 4.5 - but 4.7 would still be just fine for me. The 1280 x 720 resolution would be sweet though. The processor on the ET4G is GREAT so going to 1.5 isn't a big deal for me. I don't really care about the NFC that phone will have so for me it really comes down to the higher res and I think the 4.7" screen will actually be the perfect size for me. That would be about as big as I could go and still do 1 handed typing.

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I don't really need to go much bigger than 4.5 - but 4.7 would still be just fine for me. The 1280 x 720 resolution would be sweet though. The processor on the ET4G is GREAT so going to 1.5 isn't a big deal for me. I don't really care about the NFC that phone will have so for me it really comes down to the higher res and I think the 4.7" screen will actually be the perfect size for me. That would be about as big as I could go and still do 1 handed typing.
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I don't even think the proc is even a upgrade. Maybe even a downgrade.
My next phone will have to come with jellybean on the OS. Otherwise I will have nice hardware running on aged software. With Samsung don't expect anything more than what is in the box.
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I'm hearing rumors the ET4G won't support EVDO rev B. If this new phone supports it, for me that would easily justify my next upgrade.

I won't be jumping to that with that CPU in there. It will be slower than the ET4G for sure.

Im perfectly fine with the ET4G for a good while.
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Nope...satisfied ;-)
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Silent25r said:
I don't even think the proc is even a upgrade. Maybe even a downgrade.
My next phone will have to come with jellybean on the OS. Otherwise I will have nice hardware running on aged software. With Samsung don't expect anything more than what is in the box.
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right. adding GHz wont help an inferior GPU.
Mail-400 is a beast. There is an article explaining why the Tmobile version, even though clocked at 1.5GHz, wont be better than the exynos. Im sure it will still be a good phone, but ill take exynos over snapdragon ANY day.
if sprint did get it, the only reason id consider it would be because of the enhanced resolution as long as it was a super amoled+ or better, other than that this is my dream device

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Nope...satisfied ;-)
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Your tapatalk sig and your xda sig are conflicts of interest lol

Throw in a quad core exynos processor and then we'll talk. The Epic Touch is almost perfect.
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oboroninja said:
Throw in a quad core exynos processor and then we'll talk. The Epic Touch is almost perfect.
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Exactly. No thanks on the Snapdragon.

12MaNy said:
Exactly. No thanks on the Snapdragon.
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on top of that, a9 architecture is much better than a8. snapdragon cores are heavily modified a8's, but still wont beat an a9

I will say coming from the EVO 3D to the Epic Touch 4G I didn't really notice a speed difference. I don't play video games on my phone so maybe that is important for some people. I think sense can probably have an impact on perceived speed/smoothness.
I will say if the ET4G doesn't support EVDO rev. B, the network speed would be far, far more important to me.

Why I chose the Nitro (for $50 on-contract!) over Galaxy Nexus/Note

First, here's how I scored my Nitro for $50 (on contract).
Currently AT&T (instore and online) is selling the Nitro with an instant $100 off.
If you go to http://www.retailmenot.com/view/att.com and click through their AT&T Promo link that's another $100 off. So now the phone costs $50 (plus tax) and free 2-day shipping.
As you can see in my signature, I'm a Nexus One user. The very MINUTE the phone was available for order on their site, I did.
I was a devout Nexus fan (actually, still love my Nexus One), I love the notion of no-bloat and completely open ended system. When the Galaxy Nexus was due, you can imagine my excitement. Now imagine my complete frustration with the constant delays and misinformation. I was also quite disappointed that Google decided to put the 1.2GHz Exynos CPU in their supposed "Hardware platform pusher" phone. Blah!
But during the time I eagerly awaiting the GNex, I see a new offering from Samsung in the salacious Galaxy Note! a 5.3" beauty with all the guts of the GNex (actually, a FASTER processor with 1.4GHz Exynos) and a stylus with Wacom certified screen!...But dammit!, no US version! The International GSM version will work on AT&T, but NOT 4g LTE! And the Note's Verizon LTE version would have the snapdragon with the Adreno 205 GPU in it (OLD, WEAK GPU!!).
Too many strikes against the front runners and too many yummies for the Nitro underdog!

Are you able to upgrade a line using this, or is it just New Customers/Add a line?

I'd imagine this is for New Customers only...At least for the extra $100 from retailmenot:
*Offer requires online activation via att.com/wireless on qualified rate plans $39.99 or more with a two-year agreement. iPhone, GoPhone, netbooks, and certain other devices not eligible. Certain devices require a minimum data or messaging plan. Discount will be automatically applied to your shopping cart. Credit approval and other restrictions apply.

I can't get any of the discounts to show up, at least over a week later.

Sadly that RetailMeNot discount could be regional. I've heard quite a few others had issues getting the discount to work in other areas (I'm in the NJ area).

Another good reason to choose the Nitro over those two - no screen burn-in.

There are more to processors than the mhz rating. the 1.2 A9 in the gnex absolutley destroys the nitro's 1.5....Also take a look at the development between both, enough said!

Just curious, was/is Glaxy Nexus expected for AT&T network?

[email protected] said:
Just curious, was/is Glaxy Nexus expected for AT&T network?
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Yes, based on leaked FCC specs 3G only, no LTE. But this is kind of speculation only.

droidstyle said:
There are more to processors than the mhz rating. the 1.2 A9 in the gnex absolutley destroys the nitro's 1.5....Also take a look at the development between both, enough said!
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"absolutely destroys" the Nitro's 1.5? Really? Any actual proof of that? And I'm not talking about specsheet comparisons, I mean actual benchmarks.
Seriously though, I've been searching the net and can't find any decent benches for comparison between these 2.

Namuna said:
"absolutely destroys" the Nitro's 1.5? Really? Any actual proof of that? And I'm not talking about specsheet comparisons, I mean actual benchmarks.
Seriously though, I've been searching the net and can't find any decent benches for comparison between these 2.
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The Snapdragon APQ8060 is just naturally slower then the 1.2GHz OMAP4 in the GNexus, because it's Cortex A9.
Qualcomm used a modified Cortex A8 design for more battery efficiency, but you sacrifice horsepower.
Now the 1.2GHz Exynos chip... that is a battery drainer, but the amount of horsepower that thing has is just godly.

droidstyle said:
There are more to processors than the mhz rating. the 1.2 A9 in the gnex absolutley destroys the nitro's 1.5....Also take a look at the development between both, enough said!
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nitro destroyed by galacy nexus:
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nitro destroyed by galacy nexus:
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Time after time benchmarks have proven to be inaccurate. The Galaxy Nexus's processor is much faster than the Nitro's.

8mileroad said:
Time after time benchmarks have proven to be inaccurate. The Galaxy Nexus's processor is much faster than the Nitro's.
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i was replying to the following poster's request for a benchmark, i provided one. you are free to interpret it anyway you choose, even discount it entirely, it makes no difference to me. I interpret it to correspond to my real world use of the nitro. as experience proves time and again, it's not always a faster processor that makes a fine performing phone.
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"absolutely destroys" the Nitro's 1.5? Really? Any actual proof of that? And I'm not talking about specsheet comparisons, I mean actual benchmarks.
Seriously though, I've been searching the net and can't find any decent benches for comparison between these 2.
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Longcat14 said:
The Snapdragon APQ8060 is just naturally slower then the 1.2GHz OMAP4 in the GNexus, because it's Cortex A9.
Qualcomm used a modified Cortex A8 design for more battery efficiency, but you sacrifice horsepower.
Now the 1.2GHz Exynos chip... that is a battery drainer, but the amount of horsepower that thing has is just godly.
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This is yet more conjecture. After more digging I've attached an image I found from one of Anandtech.com's articles, showing a comparison chart between the ARM Cortex A8, A9 and our Nitro's Qualcomm Scorpion.
Indeed while searching for more technical information on the architecture of the APQ8060 chip I found some info that it's based on the ARM Cortex A8, but if you look at the attached image...The Scorpion is mostly equal to or HIGHER SPEC than the A9, such as in pipeline-depth and NEON.
Now, since we're talking about System-on-Chip here, let's not forget what GPU the GNex is using vs. the Nitro... PowerVR SGX540 vs. the Adreno 220 in the Nitro. Doesn't take much searching to find the Adreno 220 is superior to the SGX540 and here's a few benches showing the Nitro higher on the performance results vs. GNex:
OpenGL-ES 2.0 graphics performance benchmark:
http://nena.se/nenamark/view?version=2
As to the remark that benchmarks are inaccurate...Well I certainly agree that I've seen my fair share of benches being debunked or showing inaccurate info based on outdated software, but at least their TESTED results and not just opinions based on spec sheets.

OpenGL-ES 2.0 graphics performance benchmark:

i have a few more days before my 30 days is up with the nitro, seriously debating whether or not to return it and just get an SGS2, because the nitro doesn't seem to be selling in volumes enough to get real dev support

Galaxy S III CPU details leaked (Exynos 5)

This seems to align with my earlier statements that the GSIII will more likely be a dual-core CPU at 2-2.5Ghz rather than a quad-core at 1-1.5Ghz.
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Did the murmurings about a quad-core Galaxy S III this morning leave you feeling a bit... meh? We don't blame you. Sure, four cores and integrated LTE sounds great but (and this is a big "but"), Cortex-A9 is old hat. What we really want to hear about are those upcoming Cortex-A15 chips. Well, this should get your blood flowing -- a slide has leaked, allegedly loaded with detailed Exynos 5 specs. Looks like initial entrants will have a pair of A15 cores running at 2GHz, backed up by a quad-core Mali T-604 MP4 GPU. All of that will supposedly be built with Samsung's new 32nm High-K Metal Gate process. We've been unable to independently verify these details, but they are in line with what we've been led to expect. Still, until some Sammy PR comes down the pipeline we're taking everything with a grain of salt.
- Engadget
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I'm more excited for this than the quad-core.
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What are the advantages of a15 over a9? smaller and higher clock speed? Anything else?
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Gotta love the rumor mill. It may also come with wireless charging capabilities.
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/19/samsung-galaxy-s-iiis-secret-weapon-is-wireless-charging-rumor/

All I know is only that phone can lure me away from this one

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All I know is only that phone can lure me away from this one
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master acehole said:
All I know is only that phone can lure me away from this one
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Lure isn't the word for it. That phone could coerce me into jumping into a pitch of fire. Lol.
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i too would prefer the enhanced dual core over the quadcore at 1.5 each core. Who needs quadcore on their phones when dualcore hasnt even been fully optimized yet, ya they say it helps with battery drain but they said that about dual core as well on the g2x which has extremely terrible battery life.
I still love my g2x for its incredible display and nvidia gpu but this epic touch 4g just pwned it lol
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If this phone is less than a 4.5 inch screen, I can't do it. Can't go back. I need NOTE size if anything.

globalninja said:
What are the advantages of a15 over a9? smaller and higher clock speed? Anything else?
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I don't know the intricacies of the architecture, but it's made with (I believe) a 32nm die instead of the 45nm Cortex-A9s, which usually means less power consumption and more performance. There are also new instructions supported by the CPU which allow it to perform tasks more efficiently. Other than that, I don't quite know. But it's smaller and faster. The A15s are going to blow all A9-based chips out of the water. I'm interested to see how the new A15s stand up against the S4 Krait processors from Qualcomm. That thing got 218mflops in Linpack... nearly shat my pants.
If this is real and Sammy puts it in the SGS3 you can bet your sweet ass it's going to be the fastest phone ever made.

I think there are gonna be two variants one a15 dula core 2ghz and other quadcore a9.
What would ppl choose battery or performance?
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Hmmm I don't think this is slated for the GSIII, but rather Samsung's 2013 device lineup. The GSIII is expected to run a quad A9 SoC.

Hey, how about this for something. Maybe there is going to be multiple variations of the SGSIII that will each satisfy the rumors? Just a thought lol

Dchibro said:
Hmmm I don't think this is slated for the GSIII, but rather Samsung's 2013 device lineup. The GSIII is expected to run a quad A9 SoC.
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That makes no sense. Why follow up a quad core with a dual core.
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stumpyz9 said:
That makes no sense. Why follow up a quad core with a dual core.
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Because more cores doesn't always mean better.

Or how about forget all the rumors and we just wait till Samsung tells the world about it. It might not even really be ready yet.

The world would be a boring place without rumors. If you don't like them don't comment on them.
A quad-core Cortex-A9 GS3 would make me a sad panda. There are going to be a lot of kickass A15 and Krait-based phones out this year. If Sammy goes with A9 it's going to lose its competitive edge.

All I know is that I don't want it to be called the within on sprint
The "epic win" or "samsung emperor" would be much better names
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gtuansdiamm said:
All I know is that I don't want it to be called the within on sprint
The "epic win" or "samsung emperor" would be much better names
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Samsung emperor sounds like a penguin lol

Dchibro said:
Because more cores doesn't always mean better.
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Yes, well a majority of consumers arent technically inclined and automatically think more cores equals better performance.
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Exynos 9825 very disappointing compared to SD855

When you buy the top notch phone that retails more than $1000 you expect to get the best performance. Not only Samsung didn't equipt the Note 10+ with the new SD885+, the new Global version of the phone comes with the Exynos 9825 that lacks in performance against the old SD855. That's not acceptable. What do you think?

The Exynos wins in single core performance and app launch time, they have comparable battery life and the SD wins in multi threaded workloads and GPU. But if you look at the 9820 vs sd855 anandtech review, the gpu is actually almost on par with the SD version and while the 9825 is very slightly overclocked it shouldnt lose this hard. Looks like an optimization issue to me rather than a raw power one. At the end of the day they perform similar in everyday use, but since more people use sd devices than exynos once they will be more optimized for games and such. Dont worry about it too much imo, yes it sucks that we got a worse version globally but its not a huge deal and definitely not a dealbreaker.

I would of thought more people used the Exynos version considering it's pretty much the entire world, while SD is mainly just north america or are samsung's sales outside America really that bad?

Pretty much to be expected as always.

I guess that optimization will improve the 9825 but not sure if it will make it to the SD855 performance. AFAIK Samsung can't use the Exynos chip in the USA because of patent protections so they using SD's. At least they should sell the Exynos version cheaper...

I Think that it's about time I stop buying an exynos note. It performs way worse than the snapdragon variant 3rd year in a row.
For me it is a deal breaker.
A phone asking 1000+ $ and flagged as flagship must have the latest soc, fact.
But....they wouldn't dare putting 855+ in comparison with the exynos9825 that maybe can compete with the almost 2 years old 845 soc. Really a shame.
No upgrading for me, sticking to my note9 and waiting for a proper flagship with flagship specs, means 855+ soc.

I already bought the Note 10+ Exynos before I knew it was inferior to the SD version. But if the next samsung flagship will not fix this, it will be the last Exynos device I'm buying maybe the last Samsung device altogether.

liamR said:
I already bought the Note 10+ Exynos before I knew it was inferior to the SD version. But if the next samsung flagship will not fix this, it will be the last Exynos device I'm buying maybe the last Samsung device altogether.
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Well, aside from performance, if you are into rooting your device, the SD is pretty much not a choice unless you get the Hong Kong version. AFAIK, the only fully rootable version is the Exynos. I personally, would never consider the locked down version of the SD just based on principle. If I own the device and pay over $1000, I want to be the judge of what I can and can't do to it. It's like buying a Ferrari and being told the insurance company has disabled parts of it and it won't drive more than 60 mph. Weather you actually root or not becomes irrelevant. It's the principle.
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I have no issues with the Exynos, it runs smoothly, performance is perfectly acceptable, yes the 855 might be slightly better in certain areas, but I think its marginal.....

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Well, aside from performance, if you are into rooting your device, the SD is pretty much not a choice unless you get the Hong Kong version. AFAIK, the only fully rootable version is the Exynos. I personally, would never consider the locked down version of the SD just based on principle. If I own the device and pay over $1000, I want to be the judge of what I can and can't do to it. It's like buying a Ferrari and being told the insurance company has disabled parts of it and it won't drive more than 60 mph. Weather you actually root or not becomes irrelevant. It's the principle.
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In my last 3 phones from Samsung I didn't feel the need to root so that not a deal breaker for me. If you pay for Ferrari you don't want to end up with Maserati

Have you seen the battery on exynos version. https://youtu.be/RTezwqJgo5M
7 h and 47 min on gaming and rec 4k 60fp. Beat all competitors flagship without p30 pro Exynos is awesome even if is surpass in performance. Lets be real. Exynos will manage anything we drop at him no matter what.Battery is important. And so far by youre complains on xda compare to exynos sd is a failure.
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Have you seen the battery on exynos version. https://youtu.be/RTezwqJgo5M
7 h and 47 min on gaming and rec 4k 60fp. Beat all competitors flagship without p30 pro Exynos is awesome even if is surpass in performance. Lets be real. Exynos will manage anything we drop at him no matter what.Battery is important. And so far by youre complains on xda compare to exynos sd is a failure.
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I saw this test, but I didn't see the SD version tested. Also I have no problem to sacrifice some battery time for more performance (within reason).

I backup my opinion with my eperience. 1 day with note 10+ exynos version. Litle bit waze, 1h talk, 7 h youtube, 1/2 4g 1/2 wifi, some 3d attemp, heavy usage. Phenomenal battery. Exynos from s10+ and note 10+ is a win.
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