As the chip is Snapdragon 8930, which containes worldwide telecommunciation ability of using GSM / WCDMA / CDMA EV-DO(3G) / TD-SCDMA / LTE-TDD / LTE-FDD. How to make One VX able to use all of these bands?
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Peter Schneider
Peter_Schneider said:
As the chip is Snapdragon 8930, which containes worldwide telecommunciation ability of using GSM / WCDMA / CDMA EV-DO(3G) / TD-SCDMA / LTE-TDD / LTE-FDD. How to make One VX able to use all of these bands?
Thanks,
Peter Schneider
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The baseband is capable but a lot of features can be disable either by Qualcomm or HTC, hardware wise. Most likely, it is not possible. Besides, this model is exclusive to AT&T as far as I know.
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It is "exclusive" to AT&T however it can be simunlocked pretty easily. Runs fine on T-Mobile 2G/3G.
I don't have T-Mobile 4G/LTE access in my area to know if it works fine on that band.
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It is "exclusive" to AT&T however it can be simunlocked pretty easily. Runs fine on T-Mobile 2G/3G.
I don't have T-Mobile 4G/LTE access in my area to know if it works fine on that band.
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when i had it i was getting 4g, and it was pretty well steady, i wasnt able to get LTE, since they didnt have LTE for tmobile yet
OP wants to use this device in another region. This is a gsm only device with hspa 3g and lte 4g.
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The baseband is capable but a lot of features can be disable either by Qualcomm or HTC, hardware wise. Most likely, it is not possible. Besides, this model is exclusive to AT&T as far as I know.
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Yeah, I agree. But one of the big interests for smartphone hackers is to make the phone work or run beyond general-users' experience, like HTC HD, which can run Windows Mobile 6.5 / Windows Phone 7.X / Android / even Meego OS (Some OS may not stable, but it is fun). If One VX can work under all of the bands its chip supports, then I think it will be another amazing phone in future.
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It is "exclusive" to AT&T however it can be simunlocked pretty easily. Runs fine on T-Mobile 2G/3G.
I don't have T-Mobile 4G/LTE access in my area to know if it works fine on that band.
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heyy, I have done bootloader unlock,s-off and root....how can I use my other carrier ship?? I put it in but requests pin..
someone help mee
there are some devices that have this kind of features blocked by software but most of them have a hardware restriction. phones like droid razr, htc rezound, samsung s3 verizon to name a few, have this restriction by software to work globaly (CDMA+GSM).
im not saying it can not be done, just unlikely (by software).
back when windows mobile 6 was still alive we saw a lot people with this kind of concerns. different models with the almost the same specifications. htc models with qwerty keyboard had tv out while non-qwerty ones had fm radio. others with the bands. this is even involves laws. the country i live the 700mhz spectrum is still being used for analog tv, hence, no other kind of devices can use that frequency.
again im not say it cannot be done at all, just unlikely.
my suggestion, search other forums of similar devices to see if anyone has tryed something like that.
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Could someone answer a novice question for me? I'm kind of confused.
Can I get an (unlocked) HTC Desire originally from Alltel or US Cellular (CDMA) and convert it to a GSM phone (for T-mobile)? If so, is rooting required?
Thanks a lot.
No, different hardware.
You would have to find a suitable CDMA antenna, and even then it probably wouldn't work properly. Carrier is differentiated, for the most part, by the phones physical antenna. That's what dictates which carriers network the phone will work with.
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Thanks. I think the CDMA version does not even have a SIM slot.
I'm currently in Israel, and I had a LTE GN sent to me from America. I see that it has a microSIM card slot. If I were to get a microSIM, would I be able to hop off the networks here?
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No one knows?
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No one knows?
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To be honest, I think you are the first one ever, to IMPORT a US-specific carrier-phone to try to use it internationally instead of just getting the international GSM version
a LTE GN from usually means this one: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_nexus_i515-4301.php
as such it is a cdma phone, but LTE requires it to have a micro sim. It has no GSM radio whatsoever. And most likely it is locked to verzion.
simply put, no.
Ha, right. Well I didn't intentionally do this, it just happened that a friend had an upgrade with Verizon and he some how got the Nexus for free. He's using his BB here in Israel so he let me play with it. Its nice to have a solid feel with ICS.
Bummer.
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There's no LTE networks in Israel...
...yet. Now that there's this whole boom the Communications Minister caused by getting all the new carriers to join the market, I think that Golan Telecom is the only one who is planning on getting the whole system up to 4G (LTE) when their thru.
In the meantime, though, your out of luck. Even if you did unlock the Verizon LTE phone, and get a microSIM (which is, btw, no problem here in Israel, all the carriers have them), you still wouldn't be able to use it as a cell phone since all the networks here are 3G and don't support LTE.
Damn zombies. Friends don't let friends resurrect threads that have been dead and buried for several months.
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I have the chance to buy a sgs. Could I unlock it and have it work on Verizon's network? The sellers insists it could with the right APNs. Can any one enlighten me?
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I have the chance to buy a sgs. Could I unlock it and have it work on Verizon's network? The sellers insists it could with the right APNs. Can any one enlighten me?
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If the phone is manufactured for Verizon, like it says verizon on the device, then yes it will. However, if its a T-Mobile or ATT SGS3, then NO it wont work. ATT and T-Mobile SGS3 doesnt have CDMA bands.
If its a sprint SGS3, then yes you can unlock it to work on Verizon. Hope that clarifies things for you.
It doesn't have the right 4g bands?
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It doesn't have the right 4g bands?
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No the T-Mobile and att phones don't have any cdma bands at all.
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No the T-Mobile and att phones don't have any cdma bands at all.
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That is correct there is complete incompatibility between the carriers cdma vs. gsm, CDMA is more frequently used here in the us its a older technology and GSM is more world wide the only phone i really seen that carries both bands are the iphone 4s
Thanks for your info guys
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Any phone that sports the "global" tag will work on any carrier. Such as the "Droid 2 Global" and I believe that there is actually a worldwide variation of the htc one x or one s as well.
Google is your best bet.
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Any phone that sports the "global" tag will work on any carrier. Such as the "Droid 2 Global" and I believe that there is actually a worldwide variation of the htc one x or one s as well.
Google is your best bet.
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I heard the Verizon S3 is supposed to be "Global" however, remember that T-Mobile is special and uses that 1700 mHz aws frequency for 3g therefore global phones wont get 3g on tmobile. Like my Sprint Touch Pro 2 for instance
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Any phone that sports the "global" tag will work on any carrier. Such as the "Droid 2 Global" and I believe that there is actually a worldwide variation of the htc one x or one s as well.
Google is your best bet.
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The only "global" phones that have CDMA bands are Verizon and Sprint phones in the US.
Why would a GSM carrier put GSM bands in their phone when you can use a GSM phone overseas already?
I'm not talking about overseas, I'm telling the op a global phone would work on any carrier...
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I'm not talking about overseas, I'm telling the op a global phone would work on any carrier...
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But they won't. A global phone from AT&T or T-Mobile will not work on Verizon or Sprint. A Verizon or Sprint global phone is also not likely as the other carriers will not activate it. However it is much more likely.
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But they won't. A global phone from AT&T or T-Mobile will not work on Verizon or Sprint. A Verizon or Sprint global phone is also not likely as the other carriers will not activate it. However it is much more likely.
Edit: I will concede that certain devices can only use certain frequency ranges however, as I stated -any phone that sports the global tag can and will tap any frequency.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but your most definitely wrong. Most Gsm phones for the United States will not work overseas, its just the "name" of the US network. CDMA works transparently with TDMA. If you know anything about APNs and cat radios then you'll be able to figure it out.
I have personally cracked verizon for AT&T and vice versa.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but your most definitely wrong. Most Gsm phones for the United States will not work overseas, its just the "name" of the US network. CDMA works transparently with TDMA. If you know anything about APNs and cat radios then you'll be able to figure it out.
I have personally cracked verizon for AT&T and vice versa.
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So I can use a UK phone here, but I can't use an unlocked AT&T phone in the UK? That makes no sense. So why do people overseas buy unlocked phones from the US? So they can use them for paperweights?
The difference between GSM here in NA vs the rest of the world is the frequencies used:
Most of NA and SA use 850/1900 while the majority of the planet uses 900/1800. http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
So if you want to use a phone from the US overseas it must be at least Triband or quadband (more common).
For 3G to work outside the US the phone will also need the 2100 band.
Hope this helps.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but your most definitely wrong. Most Gsm phones for the United States will not work overseas, its just the "name" of the US network. CDMA works transparently with TDMA. If you know anything about APNs and cat radios then you'll be able to figure it out.
I have personally cracked verizon for AT&T and vice versa.
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Lol, GSM phones can be used worldwide. The only real big place that uses CDMA bands is inside the USA, almost everywhere else is straight GSM. Funny how people buy US phones from overseas, and never once have complained that they don't work. But I'll definitely take your word for it.
But since you supposedly can make an AT&T phone work on Verizon, mind getting me a Galaxy Note that works on Verizon? Unless of course its not possible, which its not.
Why not make them the same so everyone get all the benefits in mods roots ect?
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Why not make them the same so everyone get all the benefits in mods roots ect?
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Because different carriers operate on different frequencies or even a different technology (CDMA vs GSM), and thus different radios have to be manufactured. Some countries also lack LTE networks - hence S3s deployed there would lack the LTE chip to save production cost.
If you want to be compatible with as many networks as possible, you either make a dual-mode world phone (expensive) or make specific variants for specific carriers.
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Because different carriers operate on different frequencies or even a different technology (CDMA vs GSM), and thus different radios have to be manufactured. Some countries also lack LTE networks - hence S3s deployed there would lack the LTE chip to save production cost.
If you want to be compatible with as many networks as possible, you either make a dual-mode world phone (expensive) or make specific variants for specific carriers.
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ok! i allways wondered about that, well answered thanks man im just very dessapointed on at&t devices couse we never get the new updates and nice roms wont work with our carrier but big thanks!
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If you want to be compatible with as many networks as possible, you either make a dual-mode world phone (expensive) or make specific variants for specific carriers.
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Apple managed to make a world phone without making it expensive. So that argument is invalid.
The only real reason is to fragment the market even more than it already is.
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Apple managed to make a world phone without making it expensive. So that argument is invalid.
The only real reason is to fragment the market even more than it already is.
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I find idevices to be extremely expensive off contract, 600-800$for that thing.
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Apple managed to make a world phone without making it expensive. So that argument is invalid.
The only real reason is to fragment the market even more than it already is.
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Not exactly, while the iPhone 5 (and many other Verizon phones released since last year) have GSM radios, they often don't support the AWS band, and so far none of them support the LTE used by non-CDMA carriers. Technically a world phone, but not "world" enough.
Making pentaband radios is already costly enough. Putting in a pentaband radio and a CDMA radio and support for both types of LTE would be pretty darn expensive. On the other hand, making one CDMA phone and one AWS phone and one non-AWS phone, etc, is probably cheaper on the production line.
Personally idevices aren't worth the money you spend on them there too locked down.. You can jailbreak etc still big woop I guess. Plus the worse downfall is no expandable SD and the camera ehh so so would I personally pay for iPhone Nope unless its dirt cheep
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Apple managed to make a world phone without making it expensive. So that argument is invalid.
The only real reason is to fragment the market even more than it already is.
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I could be wrong but I think that statement is false the only reason there is no fragmentation with Apple is cause they control the hardware as well as software. The realease all updates at the same time for their devices. Its as if all android devices out there would all be nexus devices, there would be little to no problem with fragmentation.
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I'm on T-mobile and not sure which one to get. I'm all about rooting it and flashing rom and don't really care about WiFi calling .
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I'm on T-mobile and not sure which one to get. I'm all about rooting it and flashing rom and don't really care about WiFi calling .
Thanks.
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WiFi calling and texting from air plan would be the only different. But, you don't care for those.
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I'm on T-mobile and not sure which one to get. I'm all about rooting it and flashing rom and don't really care about WiFi calling .
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toiday said:
WiFi calling and texting from air plan would be the only different. But, you don't care for those.
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If your on T-mobile buy T-mobile .. the Dev edition is not the exact same phone, their are LTE radio differences
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I'm on T-mobile and not sure which one to get. I'm all about rooting it and flashing rom and don't really care about WiFi calling .
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The cost is the same and it is easy to unlock the T-Mobile version, so I would buy that to ensure you have support for all TMO bands.
Thanks guys. I'm gonna pick up the t-mobile then. Have the s6 now, lovely phone but I'm a flash addict lol
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If your on T-mobile buy T-mobile .. the Dev edition is not the exact same phone, their are LTE radio differences
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I think there is a fix for that now.
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I think there is a fix for that now.
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If their is, please share
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If their is, please share
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I'm pretty sure I saw it on here recently as I just received the Dev edition. Remember, Google search is your friend.
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I'm pretty sure I saw it on here recently as I just received the Dev edition. Remember, Google search is your friend.
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Lol, why would i google it ? I have a Developer edition on AT&T
If your on T-mobile buy a T-mobile phone like I said at the beginning
T-Mobile phone will likely contain band 12 which is a big deal for the refarmed area as it's in the 700mhz spectrum. More indoor penetration for better reception. I would get a T-Mobile variant > Sunshine > Flash Dev edition if you really don't care too much about Wifi Calling. Unless I'm mistaken and the Dev unit contains band 12. But usually the Dev edition caters more to AT&T than T-Mobile
Here is listing of developer and unlocked bands.
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I just went through this and sent my dev edition back for the T-Mobile variant for 1 reason... Tmobiles HSPA+ allows download speeds of 42mbps.. On the Dev edition you will get HSPA+ but it's capped at 14mbps... So while the LTE bands may be supported it doesn't support T-Mobile's network fully
I guess the ATT Dev Edition is also different and probably doesn't support the T-Mo bands fully as well? Or are they similar?
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I guess the ATT Dev Edition is also different and probably doesn't support the T-Mo bands fully as well? Or are they similar?
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Their is only one Developer Edition and one Unlocked edition - they are both identical to the AT&T version hardware wise
Ok but the HTC direct Dev Edition is different from both ATT and TMO edition when it comes to bands?
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Ok but the HTC direct Dev Edition is different from both ATT and TMO edition when it comes to bands?
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If your on either ATT or T-Mobile there is no reason really to get a Dev edition... Since it's so easy to root these things there no point imo
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If your on either ATT or T-Mobile there is no reason really to get a Dev edition... Since it's so easy to root these things there no point imo
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Understood but there seems to be nuances and different answers in the bands and hspa.
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Ok but the HTC direct Dev Edition is different from both ATT and TMO edition when it comes to bands?
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No the Developer Edition is identical to the AT&T phone except it unlocked and bloatware free (as well as different firmware numbers / CID)
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No the Developer Edition is identical to the AT&T phone except it unlocked and bloatware free (as well as different firmware numbers / CID)
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But what about this? It appears there is a difference.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7
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So, from what I gathered, based on just searching HTC and T-mo's sites, these are the bandwidths supported for each device in question:
HTC One M9 Unlocked & Developer Edition Band Support
2 (1,900 MHz)
3 (1,800 MHz)
4 (1,700 MHz AWS)
5 (850 MHz)
7 (2,600 MHz)
12 (700 MHz lower A/B/C)
13 (700 MHz upper C)
17 (700 MHz lower B/C)
29 (700 MHz D/E)
30 (2,300 MHz WCS)
T-Mobile Band (frequency):
Quad Band GSM; LTE: 2, 3, 4, 7, 12, 17
UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850)
Maybe someone a bit more savvy in this department can interpret this information into layman's terms? The HTC band frequencies seem easy enough, though I don't understand the letters at the end of specific frequencies. But interpreting the T-Mobile frequencies, at least in the UMTS section, is proving difficult in order to make an educated decision as to whether the developer edition is compatible. Personally, I don't care about WiFi calling and VoiLTE that comes with a T-Mobile branded device. I'm currently using an unlocked Att M7 on T-Mo network. But I do notice that the radio is different as far is signal, without hitting the forums for info. What I do care about is not having bloatware and having a fully unlocked device, so should I want to flash a WiFi calling tweak, if there is a stable one, I can do it with a little more ease. And no, I don't wish to use special apps to remove bloatware on a T-Mo version. I asked my husband since he did electrical engineering for the Navy to interpret but his exact words were " I do not understand civilian radio frequencies". So, a better understanding would be most appreciative. Thank you.
Edit: So far, I was able to find out from a friend that Dev Ed. wouldn't do well with 3G due to the lack of the combination of 1700/2100 frequencies. I can't see that as being too terribly important, but I figured I'd throw that in.