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[Q] Should I buy the HTC Desire Z?

I want to buy the HTC Desire Z but a few things that I read on the net are really freaking me out:
1) BATTERY LIFE: Some users say the battery lasts for less than a day, while others say they have no problem for 2 days. Now I have a ZTE Blade(which I plan to sell) that also has bad battery life, somewhat similar, so its kinda OK as long as its not really that bad.
I wont really have the Wifi turned on 24/7, coz I am a conservative user(although when I get the phone initially I'll check it out every 10 seconds... only for some days).
Can the battery life be fixed by using custom ROMs or Kernels or is it just the underpowered battery pack?
2)Keyboard Hinge: It seems that the screen falls loose when you turn the phone upside down. Some people complain of loose hinges .
I will be using the keyboard frequently.
3)LAG AND BUGS: Actually, its software related so it doesn't really matter I would probably flash a Custom ROM as soon as I get.
So should I buy this phone or not? Please tell me about the other problems in this phone...
If you say "NO", then please suggest an alternative in the same price segment!
Thanks a lot!
Regards,
jj_95nano

I've had my Desire Z since august last year.
Pros:
-great dev support with PLENTY of ROMs to choose from, you get choices between AOSP, GB Sense, GB MIUI, ICS Sense and ICS MIUI.
-good sound quality output through headphone jack
-great screen with nice viewing angles and colours.
-good battery life lasting 2 full days regularly for me under light to medium use.
-great keyboard which has a good feel to it.
-fantastic build quality, i've dropped my DZ a bit more than a handful of times and it barely has any scratches anywhere.
-the "z-hinge" is much more sturdy than it seems and it will definitely last the test of time.
-the phone is blazing fast with AOSP ROMs and can play pretty much every game right now.
-Call quality is really good when there is good reception (read below)
Cons:
-sometimes not-so fantastic performance when it comes to Sense ROMs.
-my keyboard is becoming unresponsive and requires very hard pushes to register the keys Q,W,E and more recently the space bar is having this issue too.
-i have had both wifi and cellular signal death grip issues that occur when the keyboard is out and my hands are wrapped around the device.
-With wifi, a full bar signal can drop down to half signal or less than half if you hold the device as i described.
-With cellular signal, i have very poor reception at my house where i'll get 3/4 bars at the most but a lot of the time, if i hold my phone for more than 30 seconds while the keyboard is out with my hands wrapped around it, i will end up completely losing reception. That said, this has been an issue with previous phones of mine anyway though.
-The device does get hot at times where it can make your hands sweaty but it never really gets burning hot.
-call quality is quite terrible for me at times at my house due to the bad reception that i have and the death grip issues seem to interrupt calls as well at times as i've had a drop outs during calls before.
I hope that helps a bit. Oh and about the tightness of the Z-hinge, i can hold my phone upside down with the keyboard open without it closing, it takes a little bit of practice but my hinge is quite tight and it's still as tight as it was when i bought my phone so as mentioned earlier, the hinge will definitely last the tests of time.
Overall, the pros outweigh the cons for me simply because of how much i love android, so i'd give the phone about an 8/10. If you can find it for like $250USD or less, i'd buy it if i were you, but otherwise, i would just wait for the next best qwerty slider.

magic_android said:
I've had my Desire Z since august last year.
Pros:
-great dev support with PLENTY of ROMs to choose from, you get choices between AOSP, GB Sense, GB MIUI, ICS Sense and ICS MIUI.
-good sound quality output through headphone jack
-great screen with nice viewing angles and colours.
-good battery life lasting 2 full days regularly for me under light to medium use.
-great keyboard which has a good feel to it.
-fantastic build quality, i've dropped my DZ a bit more than a handful of times and it barely has any scratches anywhere.
-the "z-hinge" is much more sturdy than it seems and it will definitely last the test of time.
-the phone is blazing fast with AOSP ROMs and can play pretty much every game right now.
-Call quality is really good when there is good reception (read below)
Cons:
-sometimes not-so fantastic performance when it comes to Sense ROMs.
-my keyboard is becoming unresponsive and requires very hard pushes to register the keys Q,W,E and more recently the space bar is having this issue too.
-i have had both wifi and cellular signal death grip issues that occur when the keyboard is out and my hands are wrapped around the device.
-With wifi, a full bar signal can drop down to half signal or less than half if you hold the device as i described.
-With cellular signal, i have very poor reception at my house where i'll get 3/4 bars at the most but a lot of the time, if i hold my phone for more than 30 seconds while the keyboard is out with my hands wrapped around it, i will end up completely losing reception. That said, this has been an issue with previous phones of mine anyway though.
-The device does get hot at times where it can make your hands sweaty but it never really gets burning hot.
-call quality is quite terrible for me at times at my house due to the bad reception that i have and the death grip issues seem to interrupt calls as well at times as i've had a drop outs during calls before.
I hope that helps a bit. Oh and about the tightness of the Z-hinge, i can hold my phone upside down with the keyboard open without it closing, it takes a little bit of practice but my hinge is quite tight and it's still as tight as it was when i bought my phone so as mentioned earlier, the hinge will definitely last the tests of time.
Overall, the pros outweigh the cons for me simply because of how much i love android, so i'd give the phone about an 8/10. If you can find it for like $250USD or less, i'd buy it if i were you, but otherwise, i would just wait for the next best qwerty slider.
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Thank you for answering!
But there are a few new problems(Call reception, bad signal) that you have just enlightened me about. But should it really matter at a place with full network strength?
But seriously, the PROS seem tooo attractive! The number of ROMS is amazing.
I guess I might just go to an E-store and check out the DZ today!
Then I'll make up my mind.
Thanks again for your helpful post.

jj_95nano said:
Thank you for answering!
But there are a few new problems(Call reception, bad signal) that you have just enlightened me about. But should it really matter at a place with full network strength?
But seriously, the PROS seem tooo attractive! The number of ROMS is amazing.
I guess I might just go to an E-store and check out the DZ today!
Then I'll make up my mind.
Thanks again for your helpful post.
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I bought my DZ a year and a half ago and i've never encountered major issues other than ROM depending ones.
I live in a french "big city" and never have signal troubles.
Sure he doesn't have incredible performances (mostly with Sense 3.x Roms) and if you want to use it while lying on your bed and holding it above you you will suffer of a loose hinge but if you can find it at a reasonable price, it's still a good deal and one of the best with an HW Keyboard.

Might be worthwhile to check out the official review thread in the General section.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA

If you live somewhere with good reception and you can get the desire z at a good price, then i'd say go for it . When i have good reception, calls sound pretty much perfect. It's just that my carrier somewhat sucks haha.

magic_android said:
If you live somewhere with good reception and you can get the desire z at a good price, then i'd say go for it . When i have good reception, calls sound pretty much perfect. It's just that my carrier somewhat sucks haha.
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Thanks for replying!
My carrier sucks too, but only outside the city, but I get full signal strength with my ZTE Blade in my house. Considering that the ZTE Blade has similar network issues, I think I don't mind the bad reception issue. Things are getting positive for this phone... I couldn't go to see it today, but I'll try tomorrow!
Ditamae said:
Might be worthwhile to check out the official review thread in the General section.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA
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Its great you pointed me out to that thread, it added to my knowledge about the DZ!
And I also found a ZTE Blade owner who had upgraded to DZ on that thread!
TenMaKo said:
I bought my DZ a year and a half ago and i've never encountered major issues other than ROM depending ones.
I live in a french "big city" and never have signal troubles.
Sure he doesn't have incredible performances (mostly with Sense 3.x Roms) and if you want to use it while lying on your bed and holding it above you you will suffer of a loose hinge but if you can find it at a reasonable price, it's still a good deal and one of the best with an HW Keyboard.
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Yes, HW keyboard is important as I always face issues with my existing phone when it comes to using the on-screen keyboard. Well, I'll just grin and bear the loose hinge.
Thanks to everyone on this thread. I seem to like the phone now.I just need to see it in reality to make up my mind.

it's just the keyboard issue, other than that , the phone is awesome

Very quick fix if you feel the keyboard is loose. Check the thread on the spring fix. I did both mine and my girlfriends g2s in 20min. As for reception there are more radios to pick from then on any other device I've used so chances are at least one is good in your area and this may help with battery life too. Also I get about 20 hrs give or take with most roms and I'm a heavy user. My gf still has over 80% battery when she plugs in at night as a light user. Not to mention many after market batteries to pick from.
Did a lot of research before I bought us both g2s and I could not find a better option for us as the keyboard was the hw biggest need for us
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium

The screen is meant to be loose, in that it allows you to flip the keyboard open and closed with almost no effort. I actually find it pretty tough to hold the phone in such a way, that it opens when upside down. Any contact with your fingers/hands on the "screen" portion of the phone will prevent it from opening accidentally. You actually have to be holding the back "half" of the phone without touching the front "half" in order for it to open while upside down. A few people have mentioned that the phone opens when they are using the phone and laying down. But I often use my Z while laying on the couch, and have never found this to be an issue. My opinion is that the hinge "issue" has been completely overblown, and don't let it negatively sway your opinion of the phone.
Battery life is obviously a very difficult thing to compare between users, as its very dependent on how you use your phone, and also reception. But with fairly moderate use, the Z will easily get you through the day, and then you charge overnight. With light usage, I can often get 2 days. On the other hand, when I'm hiking in the woods, in poor reception areas, I can kill the battery in 8 hours or less, without even using it. Forcing the phone to EDGE seems to help, as some of the battery drain seems to be from the phone constantly trying to connect to a dodgy 3G signal. Similarly, in less populated areas (but still in built up towns) I will sometimes get battery life much less than the usual 1-2 days I can get at my home and work locations. I guess the moral of the story, your mileage will certainly vary. But for average conditions, I'd say the Z has pretty good battery life for a smartphone.
All that said, the Z is a solid phone, and a great community here. But I'd be hard pressed to recommend buying one at this time. The phone is a year and a half old. The CPU and memory specs are really showing their age. And its unfortunate that flagship devices with hardware keyboards seem to be becoming an extinct species. I'd only consider this device if you really require a hardware keyboard, and can get a good price.

redpoint73 said:
The screen is meant to be loose, in that it allows you to flip the keyboard open and closed with almost no effort. I actually find it pretty tough to hold the phone in such a way, that it opens when upside down. Any contact with your fingers/hands on the "screen" portion of the phone will prevent it from opening accidentally. You actually have to be holding the back "half" of the phone without touching the front "half" in order for it to open while upside down. A few people have mentioned that the phone opens when they are using the phone and laying down. But I often use my Z while laying on the couch, and have never found this to be an issue. My opinion is that the hinge "issue" has been completely overblown, and don't let it negatively sway your opinion of the phone.
Battery life is obviously a very difficult thing to compare between users, as its very dependent on how you use your phone, and also reception. But with fairly moderate use, the Z will easily get you through the day, and then you charge overnight. With light usage, I can often get 2 days. On the other hand, when I'm hiking in the woods, in poor reception areas, I can kill the battery in 8 hours or less, without even using it. Forcing the phone to EDGE seems to help, as some of the battery drain seems to be from the phone constantly trying to connect to a dodgy 3G signal. Similarly, in less populated areas (but still in built up towns) I will sometimes get battery life much less than the usual 1-2 days I can get at my home and work locations. I guess the moral of the story, your mileage will certainly vary. But for average conditions, I'd say the Z has pretty good battery life for a smartphone.
All that said, the Z is a solid phone, and a great community here. But I'd be hard pressed to recommend buying one at this time. The phone is a year and a half old. The CPU and memory specs are really showing their age. And its unfortunate that flagship devices with hardware keyboards seem to be becoming an extinct species. I'd only consider this device if you really require a hardware keyboard, and can get a good price.
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I guess if I buy the phone, I'll have better battery life as I have my cellular plan limited to 2G so that is going to make a big difference. Anyways its not like my existing phone(ZTE Blade) has great battery life and reception, so I'm used to this.
And ay the community here is AMAZING, the number of ROMs and Radios is superb! I am no fan of OC'ing so CPU speed doesn't matter. HW keyboard is soo tempting.
Thanks a lot for all your responses... I'll search for the spring fix for the keyboard...

jj_95nano said:
I am no fan of OC'ing so CPU speed doesn't matter.
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Actually have to say that this statement is a bit backward. If you were into overclocking, that would make up a bit for the lower "stock" CPU clock speed of 800 MHz. As it is, the CPU on the Z is good enough for most tasks. But newer CPUs are pushing 1.5 GHz, and multi cores, and you can really tell the difference. My tablet is a HTC Flyer, with a 1.5 GHz CPU, and it just, well . . . flies. So much more smoother interface experience (even with Sense), smooth video playback (Rockplayer), and this is only with single core (most phones are now coming dual core, and quad core coming soon). Plus 1 GB of RAM means much less dropping of apps from memory. My Flyer acts like I wish my Z would.
Again, don't get me wrong. The Z is solid, and will still have plenty of life left, if you really need the keyboard. But its nowhere near cutting edge, and for me its time to move on. I'll likely be picking up the One X when its released.

redpoint73 said:
Actually have to say that this statement is a bit backward. If you were into overclocking, that would make up a bit for the lower "stock" CPU clock speed of 800 MHz. As it is, the CPU on the Z is good enough for most tasks. But newer CPUs are pushing 1.5 GHz, and multi cores, and you can really tell the difference. My tablet is a HTC Flyer, with a 1.5 GHz CPU, and it just, well . . . flies. So much more smoother interface experience (even with Sense), smooth video playback (Rockplayer), and this is only with single core (most phones are now coming dual core, and quad core coming soon). Plus 1 GB of RAM means much less dropping of apps from memory. My Flyer acts like I wish my Z would.
Again, don't get me wrong. The Z is solid, and will still have plenty of life left, if you really need the keyboard. But its nowhere near cutting edge, and for me its time to move on. I'll likely be picking up the One X when its released.
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I mostly agree with this post and his previous one.
I'm also considering buying an HTC One X.
It seems so great : Tegra3 1.5Ghz QuadCore - 1GB RAM - Screen resolution : 1280*720px, Internal Memory 32GB, Front Camera, NFC, Native ICS + Sense 4 in its full version
Compared to our DZ, that's just like WOW !!
But no hardware keyboard anymore and no real HDMI connection (you need a special cable).... for a 600€ phone.... that really pisses me off.

@ the OP, i think you should wait a couple of months until some new phones come out so that you have more choice. I'm personally HIGHLY considering getting a One X or One S if i can find the money for it as the keyboard on my phone is driving me nuts xD.

redpoint73 said:
Actually have to say that this statement is a bit backward. If you were into overclocking, that would make up a bit for the lower "stock" CPU clock speed of 800 MHz. As it is, the CPU on the Z is good enough for most tasks. But newer CPUs are pushing 1.5 GHz, and multi cores, and you can really tell the difference. My tablet is a HTC Flyer, with a 1.5 GHz CPU, and it just, well . . . flies. So much more smoother interface experience (even with Sense), smooth video playback (Rockplayer), and this is only with single core (most phones are now coming dual core, and quad core coming soon). Plus 1 GB of RAM means much less dropping of apps from memory. My Flyer acts like I wish my Z would.
Again, don't get me wrong. The Z is solid, and will still have plenty of life left, if you really need the keyboard. But its nowhere near cutting edge, and for me its time to move on. I'll likely be picking up the One X when its released.
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I don't want to contradict you, but I never overclocked my existing phone which is only 600MHz and I was pretty satisfied because I used custom ROMs. The only Overclocking that I did was to OC the GPU. But the stock 800MHz on DZ is good with custom ROMs as I saw on youtube...
Well I'm still a teen so the One X is a tad too expensive. I txt, so HW keyboard is a necessity. I have an iPod touch 4 for 1GHz . I use that for Gaming, media, etc(you obviously know)...
Yes the market is full of Dual and Quad core phones and tabs out there but I might just venture out to that segment when I'm actually looking for a good quality phone to use long-term when I'm older(Coz my parents don't think I'd handle those kinda expensive Gizmos)
magic_android said:
@ the OP, i think you should wait a couple of months until some new phones come out so that you have more choice. I'm personally HIGHLY considering getting a One X or One S if i can find the money for it as the keyboard on my phone is driving me nuts xD.
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After reviewing the phone in a store I was pretty impressed and there really wasn't anything wrong with the keyboard(firm enough) on that piece so I think I'll just have to have my fingers crossed to get a piece that has a stiff keyboard.
I need to buy a phone quick as my ZTE Blade's value is going down and I don't want to spend too much on upgrading. The only competitor IMHO to the DZ is Xperia Pro. So I think I'd either buy the DZ or the Xperia Pro...

You're talking about the mini pro? Or is there another version of it? The dz will probably have a larger community since that device wasn't advertised too much. It's still a great device though, a friend of mine's got it and I had the chance to play around with it.
The phone's hardware, as redpoint73 stated, is indeed starting to age. It can last for a bit more than a year, if you don't mind the slower hardware. So, it might just be worth it if you upgrade every 1,5-2 years.
Sent from my DZ.

crestofawave said:
You're talking about the mini pro? Or is there another version of it? The dz will probably have a larger community since that device wasn't advertised too much. It's still a great device though, a friend of mine's got it and I had the chance to play around with it.
The phone's hardware, as redpoint73 stated, is indeed starting to age. It can last for a bit more than a year, if you don't mind the slower hardware. So, it might just be worth it if you upgrade every 1,5-2 years.
Sent from my DZ.
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No I'm talking about this: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php <<< It has a resolution of 480x854, so its bigger and it has a 1GHz processor. Only thing is that it does not have a good community(or maybe no community...)
I bought my ZTE Blade just 5 months back, so you know that's pretty short... I will obviously upgrade in the future if there is another phone that I fall in love with
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php

jj_95nano said:
I don't want to contradict you, but I never overclocked my existing phone which is only 600MHz and I was pretty satisfied because I used custom ROMs. The only Overclocking that I did was to OC the GPU. But the stock 800MHz on DZ is good with custom ROMs as I saw on youtube...
Well I'm still a teen so the One X is a tad too expensive. I txt, so HW keyboard is a necessity. I have an iPod touch 4 for 1GHz . I use that for Gaming, media, etc(you obviously know)...
Yes the market is full of Dual and Quad core phones and tabs out there but I might just venture out to that segment when I'm actually looking for a good quality phone to use long-term when I'm older(Coz my parents don't think I'd handle those kinda expensive Gizmos)
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Its largely a matter of personal preference and needs, so feel free to disagree! Its you buying the phone, after all. But for me, its really quite evident when comparing the Z to more modern phones, the difference in CPU. Lightweight ROMs help, but its really just a Band-Aid when the CPU is falling this far behind. But if you're on a budget, and can get a good deal on a Z, its still a solid phone.
Slightly off topic, but speaking of CPUs on newer phones, have you guys seen the recently posted benchmarks on the US (AT&T) version of the One X (actually One XL)? Dammmnnnn, this thing embarrasses every phone currently on the market, including the Galaxy Nexus. Much less an older phone like the Z:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1565181

jj_95nano said:
No I'm talking about this: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php <<< It has a resolution of 480x854, so its bigger and it has a 1GHz processor. Only thing is that it does not have a good community(or maybe no community...)
I bought my ZTE Blade just 5 months back, so you know that's pretty short... I will obviously upgrade in the future if there is another phone that I fall in love with
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php
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I think that we don't care about the slight difference between the 2 processor as you can OC your DZ from 800Mhz to 1.8Ghz without problems (i know u can even go higher but i've never tried). Even if you're not fond of OCing, that's still a possibility.
Screen resolution doesn't seem relevant to me neither. 480*800 VS 480*854.....
On the other hand, the community should be a major argument as it's the one thing that allows our DZ not to be totally outdated.
P.S: Sorry, i'm pretty sure my english is terrible

TenMaKo said:
P.S: Sorry, i'm pretty sure my english is terrible
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Um, almost perfect, actually. And more better than many native English speakers on XDA. ;-)

Planning to buy HTC One V - Is my decision correct?

I am in mobile market for past 15 days and after some research only one phone has touched my heart i.e. HTC One V. It's design is fantastic, screen is good, has expandable memory, has snob value, good build quality, expandable memory, running latest android os, fair battery capacity, camera is better than most phones in this category etc. Only issue is single core 1GHZ processor because of which many have turned against this phone. I haven't tried this phone my self yet but from most youtube videos I can see that this phone hardly lags or slow downs. It is almost capable of running most of the applications.
Now coming down to my requirements from a phone
-> Basic phone usage i.e incoming/outgoing calls and SMSes.
-> Internet browsing/Email
-> Music listening
-> Taking Photos
-> Watching movies/youtube videos
After considering these requirements I find HTV One V a perfect phone for myself. I hardly play any game and it looks VFM. (Retailing for around 17K with 8GB card).
Please suggest me whether I should stick to this phone or is there any new better model coming up?
Xperia U is ruled out because of non-expandable memory, Xperia Sola and others are not touching heart (not feeling exclusive as design is almost same across the XPERIA range).
I have seen that there are number of complaints for HTC One V like yellow spots, phone not charging etc. I don't want any issues in a new phone. Are those issues now solved or was particular to a specific manufactured lot?
Any other phones in my fixed budget of 20K?

I haven't got any issue with my One V. I'm just lovin the phone...
Sent from my HTC One V using xda premium

good phone
bluevolt said:
I am in mobile market for past 15 days and after some research only one phone has touched my heart i.e. HTC One V. It's design is fantastic, screen is good, has expandable memory, has snob value, good build quality, expandable memory, running latest android os, fair battery capacity, camera is better than most phones in this category etc. Only issue is single core 1GHZ processor because of which many have turned against this phone. I haven't tried this phone my self yet but from most youtube videos I can see that this phone hardly lags or slow downs. It is almost capable of running most of the applications.
Now coming down to my requirements from a phone
-> Basic phone usage i.e incoming/outgoing calls and SMSes.
-> Internet browsing/Email
-> Music listening
-> Taking Photos
-> Watching movies/youtube videos
After considering these requirements I find HTV One V a perfect phone for myself. I hardly play any game and it looks VFM. (Retailing for around 17K with 8GB card).
Please suggest me whether I should stick to this phone or is there any new better model coming up?
Xperia U is ruled out because of non-expandable memory, Xperia Sola and others are not touching heart (not feeling exclusive as design is almost same across the XPERIA range).
I have seen that there are number of complaints for HTC One V like yellow spots, phone not charging etc. I don't want any issues in a new phone. Are those issues now solved or was particular to a specific manufactured lot?
Any other phones in my fixed budget of 20K?
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I am very pleased with my one v so far, with the help of the fine people on the site I am rooted and rocking along and I do use the V.M. CDMA, FYI, if you go with this phone I had much better luck with twrp than CWM for back up.

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I am very pleased with my one v so far, with the help of the fine people on the site I am rooted and rocking along and I do use the V.M. CDMA, FYI, if you go with this phone I had much better luck with twrp than CWM for back up.
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which CWM did you use?

The one found here is the one i tried http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28251351#post28251351
attempted a couple of times just could not get it to work for me but I am super noob so you might rock it but the TWRP recovery work the 1st time
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Hello bluevolt,
I can understand that feeling of a phone touching your heart. Design and styling wise you don't have much options. Battery capacity is good and for your intended use will stay for about 30hrs on full charge. The display is something that is excellent (visibility problem only with bright sunlight) but I do have some reservations about the camera. Images look good on phone screen but the shortcomings are visible on bigger screens or print (my wife's sony xperia x10 mini 5MP camera gives better images). Here I am not talking about image clarity but image quality. Many take both as same. Colors feel extra bright sometimes (particularly in bright portraits) like some artificiality. I don't think you plan to use the camera for something more than casual photography and so it should suffice.
Coming to complaints - yes I faced the issue of yellow spots on display right at bottom and top left corners. It was not affecting anything but annoying sometimes (white background especially) more because you expect a company to quality check each and every product before it comes to market (they will put stickers "QC passed") and still miss something like that on screen!!! I procured the set from Malaysia and did not want to part with the phone for long :silly: so decided not to report the issue. Then one day when I was traveling, my phone just died in my pocket without any reason (enough battery, no chance of combination keys being active) and realized that HTC service center is as bad as it can be. It took almost a month for them to declare it irreparable and provide a replacement (yet to come to my hand).
You have an alternative in Xperia Neo L which is retailing at about 18K. You will definitely get a better camera, and 4" screen, but battery may be compromised (please see the specifications in detail). It all boils down to personal preference
If you plan to buy HTC One V, properly check for any display issues right in the shop. It must be visible on the white background when you switch it on (especially in corners) and also if you try google play store (without net connection - grey background) and also if you open ebooks. If so reject the piece outright. Shop will get it replaced. You argue for another set or moneyback.
I have to agree on one thing. OneV is a looker and it grows on you. I was more worried about not having it in my hand rather than thinking about getting the complaint rectified.
Regards

One V is great, but if I had the choice again I'd go for the One S.
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bluevolt said:
I am in mobile market for past 15 days and after some research only one phone has touched my heart i.e. HTC One V. It's design is fantastic, screen is good, has expandable memory, has snob value, good build quality, expandable memory, running latest android os, fair battery capacity, camera is better than most phones in this category etc. Only issue is single core 1GHZ processor because of which many have turned against this phone. I haven't tried this phone my self yet but from most youtube videos I can see that this phone hardly lags or slow downs. It is almost capable of running most of the applications.
Now coming down to my requirements from a phone
-> Basic phone usage i.e incoming/outgoing calls and SMSes.
-> Internet browsing/Email
-> Music listening
-> Taking Photos
-> Watching movies/youtube videos
After considering these requirements I find HTV One V a perfect phone for myself. I hardly play any game and it looks VFM. (Retailing for around 17K with 8GB card).
Please suggest me whether I should stick to this phone or is there any new better model coming up?
Xperia U is ruled out because of non-expandable memory, Xperia Sola and others are not touching heart (not feeling exclusive as design is almost same across the XPERIA range).
I have seen that there are number of complaints for HTC One V like yellow spots, phone not charging etc. I don't want any issues in a new phone. Are those issues now solved or was particular to a specific manufactured lot?
Any other phones in my fixed budget of 20K?
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If it touched your heart, you have to go for it! Because if you like the design you're not going to enjoy anything else. Don't worry about the processor, it runs very smooth. I had a 1.5GHz dualcore before, and noticed no real speed difference. HTC is even releasing a 600MHz phone these days, the Desire C. And you can overclock. It's perfectly stable at 1.5GHz, and with any luck you can go to 2GHz. Any more than that just needlessly reduces battery life. You will be able to go over a day without charging, and laugh at everybody who can't.
As for your personal requirements, I think it does all of those fine. I don't know whether watching full-length movies on a 3.7" screen will be fun, in case you meant that. But any of the bigger phones will barely have the battery life to do that. It's best to get a cheap tablet and use the V as a wifi router in that case.
I don't know about manufacturing errors, as my phone came just fine. But I'm not seeing too many complaints on this forum. And I think you will just get a replacement in that case. They say the One series is a bit easy to brick though, but if you are careful you should be fine.
As for alternatives, if you don't need GPS capabilities, a used Galaxy S would offer roughly the same hardware for a lot less money. I don't think you will enjoy it with the One V in the back of your mind though. And the Xperia Ray might be worth looking up in case you are fine with such small a screen. Also you can try this to get some more ideas. Just be sure to google whether they have any flaws. Most One V alternatives do have some crippling flaw, the One V does not.
I am not aware of interesting alternatives being released soon. And if you get a newly released phone you will have to go without custom roms for quite a while. The One V already has an official MIUI, and will soon have CyanogenMod9.
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if I had the choice again I'd go for the One S.
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Bad battery life, and from what I read getting a GPS fix takes two minutes. Also the low button placement makes it really fumbly and easy to drop.

1FRANKS said:
I do use the V.M. CDMA
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Euh, noob question, but what the hell is that?

HTC One V GSM edition users can take advantage of the NinjaTel ROM, which is always a bonus over other phones

guys from where i should purchase the phone? - normal shops like hotspot or malls like croma etc?
Will they open the new piece for me to check for any screen issues?

croma will give at cheap rates
and no dey wil not open.. once u confirm your purchase then they will open and give a demo
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I am in mobile market for past 15 days and after some research only one phone has touched my heart i.e. HTC One V. It's design is fantastic, screen is good, has expandable memory, has snob value, good build quality, expandable memory, running latest android os, fair battery capacity, camera is better than most phones in this category etc. Only issue is single core 1GHZ processor because of which many have turned against this phone. I haven't tried this phone my self yet but from most youtube videos I can see that this phone hardly lags or slow downs. It is almost capable of running most of the applications.
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Hi,
I own one for two weeks now and it is my first Smartphone. The reasons I got it were:
- handling with a single hand possible
- nice design, good finnish and build quality
- size is small enough to fit in Jeans pocket, large enough to be usable
- HTC makes a lot of fuzz about their photo chip, well...it was a reason. But I am not satisfied.
- expandable storage via MicroSD
- modern model
I did not have any issues, yet, except of a full SD card wipe out, reformat and factory settings reset, but that was not caused by the phone itself, I assume it was GTAIII or some of the background apps I had installed like Avast and Automagic.
The "slow" CPU is not an issue at all (I also play games). I never ever came across some slow CPU performance. The only real issue might be the low amount of RAM. This I find a bit lacking. 768MB, or better, 1GB, would have been nice. Also it lacks a lot of sensors, that I would like to have, such as Gravity, Magnetometer, Rotation Vector, Orientation, Pressure and Temperature But then, I am a Geek.
What I also miss is a special button, directly for the camera. I should be able to hit it and the phone would wake up with the cam set ready and the next press would shoot a photo.
I do not find the camera to be soo good as advertised. Some reviews say it's great, others say it's not.
Also, 3.7" is a eeny wheeny tad to small.
The phone I like the most ATM would be the HTC One S, since it's got a 4.3" screen but they made it so, that it si nearly as sleek as the One V and can be handled with a single hand. However, and that is the big big problem with it: It's got no storage expansion. You are damned to feel good enough with 16GB of RAM, which I find a joke. I have a MacBook with an SD card reader and an SSD in it. I store my music on a file-server at home (NAS) and export them for mobile use (Laptop and Phone) as MP3 onto SD Cards. This way I can plug the cars into the Laptop and the phone. Otherwise I'd need a much bigger SSD which is too expensive (and still would need one, two SD cards for the phone). I can't wait for the 512GB MicroSDs
Okay, enuough of my own Smartphone philosophy (amazing topic!).
Summing it up: for that, what you want to do, the phone is enough. It is even enough for me, who plays games as well. "HTC Sense" is very nice and capable! The phone is very easy and comfortable to use. It has a very nice display, IMO, reading ebooks seems like on an E-Ink display. Audio quality (with ear-phones) is also very good, IMO. I did not yet stress test it, but battery life is sufficient for my use. I plug it in anyway, as soon as I am home. Of all the offers on the market, it may be only medium class, but is, overall, still one of the best. The CPU is no issue at all, IMO. The RAM is, sometimes. Also, more than 1GB of internal storage would have been nice, so you can install more apps, that you really really want to make sure, are always with you. However, this is more an esotheric issue and not really at hand, since you most obviously will use SD cards. Oh, and the metal-unibody is nice, too. Very sturdy, is good in the pocket. The cam? You won't really find any satisfying camera outside of some NOKIA or SONY offers, but they have other drawbacks. I would say: Get it! :cyclops:

hackajar said:
HTC One V GSM edition users can take advantage of the NinjaTel ROM, which is always a bonus over other phones
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You suck, you know that ?? Advertising your stolen product openly to someone who still did not even buy three product.:thumbdown:
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Amon_Re said:
Euh, noob question, but what the hell is that?
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Its virgin mobile on cdma network in the USA .
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those who own HTC One V can you please tell me if this phone is easily fittable in trouser's/jeans's side pockets and there is no issue while sitting/driving car/riding bike etc???

bluevolt said:
those who own HTC One V can you please tell me if this phone is easily fittable in trouser's/jeans's side pockets and there is no issue while sitting/driving car/riding bike etc???
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Not at all...it's compact.
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bluevolt said:
those who own HTC One V can you please tell me if this phone is easily fittable in trouser's/jeans's side pockets and there is no issue while sitting/driving car/riding bike etc???
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You will need sort of soft case or hard case to prevent damages. I feel like my phone is squeezed in my Jean's side pocket. But this phone is still pocketable.

Ordered a ZL and have a few questions

I placed an order with shopblt.com for a Xperia ZL (6506) and have a couple of questions. I do realize that (maybe) I should have asked them prior to ordering, but it's too late for that!
- Has anyone tried a 64GB microSD card? The specs say the ZL has support for upto 32GB, so I'm not sure 64GB would work.
- Is the camera as bad as everyone makes it out to be? Soft and fuzzy pics are the norm?
- And how is the battery life? Does it get you through 24 hours? Any improvements once the battery had a few cycles?
The expandable storage and near-stock UI is what made me select this device over the HTC One and Samsung GS4!
Additionally, this forum is pretty slow. Hopefully, the release of the ZL in Canada today should bring some folks over.

rajeshr said:
I placed an order with shopblt.com for a Xperia ZL (6506) and have a couple of questions. I do realize that (maybe) I should have asked them prior to ordering, but it's too late for that!
- Has anyone tried a 64GB microSD card? The specs say the ZL has support for upto 32GB, so I'm not sure 64GB would work.
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Yes, as long as it is formatted as FAT.
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- Is the camera as bad as everyone makes it out to be? Soft and fuzzy pics are the norm?
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Image quality is a hit and miss. You may get a good picture, take the exact same shot the next second, and the quality may not turn out as good. I suspect the camera software is at fault.
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- And how is the battery life? Does it get you through 24 hours? Any improvements once the battery had a few cycles?
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Light usage (~1 hour of screen on-time): Yes
Moderate usage (~3 hours of screen on-time): Depends on application. Gaming/Video streaming or running at 70%+ brightness constantly? Probably not.
Heavy usage (5+ hours of screen on-time): No.

rajeshr said:
I placed an order with shopblt.com for a Xperia ZL (6506) and have a couple of questions. I do realize that (maybe) I should have asked them prior to ordering, but it's too late for that!
- Has anyone tried a 64GB microSD card? The specs say the ZL has support for upto 32GB, so I'm not sure 64GB would work.
- Is the camera as bad as everyone makes it out to be? Soft and fuzzy pics are the norm?
- And how is the battery life? Does it get you through 24 hours? Any improvements once the battery had a few cycles?
The expandable storage and near-stock UI is what made me select this device over the HTC One and Samsung GS4!
Additionally, this forum is pretty slow. Hopefully, the release of the ZL in Canada today should bring some folks over.
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1. 64GB uSD works perfectly well. AND the phone does not end up corrupting your cards like the Samsung phones do. Pick up one of them Sandisk Ultra Pro cards and you'll be a happy camper.
2. Can't comment, never use camera on a phone. Its pointless IMO unless you have something like the Nokia 808
3. I constantly get 4+ (almost 5) hours of screen on time. Auto brightness, an equal mix of gaming, browsing (on HSPA), IM'img and calling, about an hour of GPS Sports tracking and music. I am really happy with the battery life. Takes me through the day without any hiccups.
The development of the ZL will pick up, but don't hold your breath. A couple of good ROMs is all I can see coming for this phone. The GS4 is going to take all the limelight in spite of all its mediocrity.

anirudh412 said:
1. 64GB uSD works perfectly well. AND the phone does not end up corrupting your cards like the Samsung phones do. Pick up one of them Sandisk Ultra Pro cards and you'll be a happy camper.
3. I constantly get 4+ (almost 5) hours of screen on time. Auto brightness, an equal mix of gaming, browsing (on HSPA), IM'img and calling. I am really happy with the battery life. Takes me through the day without any hiccups.
The development of the ZL will pick up, but don't hold your breath. A couple of good ROMs is all I can see coming for this phone. The GS4 is going to take all the limelight in spite of all its mediocrity.
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I fully agree with what's said above. About the ZL camera here are my thoughts (post #13&16). For battery life see here (post #3&5).

Sd card has to be formatted to fat32? Cuz its not a working on mine.
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cheapshot789 said:
Sd card has to be formatted to fat32? Cuz its not a working on mine.
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Yes, 32 kB cluster. I would try to let the phone do it if it is able to detect the card inserted.

Canceled my order from shopblt and bought it direct from Rogers. At least I get 14 days to try it out - if I don't like it, I can return it. Just charging it right now, so I don't have too many initial thoughts. So far the size seems fine and I do like the textured back. The 64GB card also seems to work, so that is good.
Thanks to all for the help provided. I'll definitely check out the camera settings and see what happens in my case.

More feedback after a day of usage:
- Feels great in the hand, and the textured back helps you grip the phone firmly. Size is right for me.
- Build quality is outstanding. Don't know who came up with the design of the SIM/SD card cover as that is the only weak point there.
- Screen looks amazing head on. As you angle it away, it starts washing out fairly quickly. If I leave it on my desk while working, I cannot read much of the text unless I pick it up. It is pretty annoying have to pick it up all the time to read my incoming emails/text etc.
- The camera is awful. I've adjusted the settings manually, but the photos come out so soft.
- It seems like the LTE radio is weak. I get little to no signal in locations where I get a medium strength signal with the GS3 or the HTC 8X.
- Call quality is fine - nothing great, and nothing too bad either.
- Battery life seems fine - doesn't seem to deteriorate too rapidly even on LTE.
Between the display & camera issues, I may be tempted to go back the S3 for some time and wait to check out the GS IV or the HTC One X. I'll try it out another week or so and see if I can get used to it.

rajeshr said:
More feedback after a day of usage:
- Feels great in the hand, and the textured back helps you grip the phone firmly. Size is right for me.
- Build quality is outstanding. Don't know who came up with the design of the SIM/SD card cover as that is the only weak point there.
- Screen looks amazing head on. As you angle it away, it starts washing out fairly quickly. If I leave it on my desk while working, I cannot read much of the text unless I pick it up. It is pretty annoying have to pick it up all the time to read my incoming emails/text etc.
- The camera is awful. I've adjusted the settings manually, but the photos come out so soft.
- It seems like the LTE radio is weak. I get little to no signal in locations where I get a medium strength signal with the GS3 or the HTC 8X.
- Call quality is fine - nothing great, and nothing too bad either.
- Battery life seems fine - doesn't seem to deteriorate too rapidly even on LTE.
Between the display & camera issues, I may be tempted to go back the S3 for some time and wait to check out the GS IV or the HTC One X. I'll try it out another week or so and see if I can get used to it.
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I picked the phone up yesterday when a retailer near me finally had one (none on tuesday)
and I agree the feels good in the hand, gives you a confidence that my Arc just didn't have
I don't see the SD/SIM cover a weak point, how often are you really opening that up?
as far as angling the phone away, it's sitting on the desk beside me right now and I can see everything just fine, I have 74% battery left and it's 11:56pm. it's -8 outside and feels like -9... I could read anything just fine from here
haven't really tested the camera out, but that wasn't a selling feature for me so not a big deal
I'm unable to get any LTE signal in Winnipeg, but I"m going to attribute that to Rogers not having LTE service anywhere in Manitoba...
Call quality seems pretty good, the one call I made worked out just fine
Battery seems to last a good long while, however it seems that charging the phone through USB (not the wall charger) is nearly impossible if the screen is on.
With the display issues, I remember seeing that Sony put screens from two different manufacturers in the phones, have you checked to see which one you have? I think I saw a thread around here with instructions for how to find the info, I'll see if I can find it.

Villain of Brandon said:
I picked the phone up yesterday when a retailer near me finally had one (none on tuesday)
and I agree the feels good in the hand, gives you a confidence that my Arc just didn't have
I don't see the SD/SIM cover a weak point, how often are you really opening that up?
as far as angling the phone away, it's sitting on the desk beside me right now and I can see everything just fine, I have 74% battery left and it's 11:56pm. it's -8 outside and feels like -9... I could read anything just fine from here
haven't really tested the camera out, but that wasn't a selling feature for me so not a big deal
I'm unable to get any LTE signal in Winnipeg, but I"m going to attribute that to Rogers not having LTE service anywhere in Manitoba...
Call quality seems pretty good, the one call I made worked out just fine
Battery seems to last a good long while, however it seems that charging the phone through USB (not the wall charger) is nearly impossible if the screen is on.
With the display issues, I remember seeing that Sony put screens from two different manufacturers in the phones, have you checked to see which one you have? I think I saw a thread around here with instructions for how to find the info, I'll see if I can find it.
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Mine is the Sharp panel. But the display is horrible off-angle, so much so that I contemplating returning the phone.

No problem here. Reads fine off angle. I wonder whether you got bad one....
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rajeshr said:
Mine is the Sharp panel. But the display is horrible off-angle, so much so that I contemplating returning the phone.
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I agree.
Q.Entity said:
No problem here. Reads fine off angle. I wonder whether you got bad one....
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Even though I dont have 'problems' reading text off angle (which BTW, I rarely find myself doing), the washout is undeniable. Makes it seem that the phone has a cheap knockoff panel. When your main point of advertizing is the amazing screen to body ratio, one would think a top quality panel would be the priority.

Finally, I gave up on the phone. For a device that cost me $750 (hardware purchase + taxes), the issues were enough for me to return the phone. It is a promising device, but a couple of key issues made me want to return it.
- The display: Great head-on, every other viewing angle is terrible.
- Camera: The images are rather soft. I would assume this could be fixed by firmware, but I'm not going wait for it. I've been burned in the past by other Android manufacturers promising these kinds of fixes.
- Weak LTE signal compared to the other phones.
I think I'll wait and see how the HTC One or the Samsung GS IV turn out - till then I'll use my GS III or BB Z10.
Too bad, Sony! The ZL had tremendous potential, but it just wasn't for me!

rajeshr said:
Finally, I gave up on the phone. For a device that cost me $750 (hardware purchase + taxes), the issues were enough for me to return the phone. It is a promising device, but a couple of key issues made me want to return it.
- The display: Great head-on, every other viewing angle is terrible.
- Camera: The images are rather soft. I would assume this could be fixed by firmware, but I'm not going wait for it. I've been burned in the past by other Android manufacturers promising these kinds of fixes.
- Weak LTE signal compared to the other phones.
I think I'll wait and see how the HTC One or the Samsung GS IV turn out - till then I'll use my GS III or BB Z10.
Too bad, Sony! The ZL had tremendous potential, but it just wasn't for me!
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Sorry it didnt work out for ya. Having the S3 which is a perfectly capable device, I dont see a reason to switch to GS4. Maybe wait for the next Nexus? Off topic, how do you like the Z10?

anirudh412 said:
Sorry it didnt work out for ya. Having the S3 which is a perfectly capable device, I dont see a reason to switch to GS4. Maybe wait for the next Nexus? Off topic, how do you like the Z10?
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I really like the Z10 - the size is perfect (I personally think 4.2" is the perfect size), the Hub is an awesome idea, call quality is amazing and the battery life is only second to the RAZR HD. A couple of things let it down - only eight running apps are allowed; no 3rd party apps can hook into the hub. It is also let down by the lack of apps - most people are aware of this prior to buying the phone, but it's even worse once you use the phone for a little time. Most apps are ports of Android and the UI paradigm is really different. If more developers migrated to BB, it might help improve the viability of BB.

LG G4 Overheating while charging and under basic browser load.

Hello everyone!
I just aquired this phone yesterday and so far, I am amazed with the screen it has.
Although, as soon as I plugged it into the charger, the phone began heating up quite a bunch. The upper frame of the phone is where the heat comes from, almost as if it's coming from the processor or some shorted circuitry.
It's not unbearable to the touch, but it's really close to, which got me really worried.
Is it normal to heat like that on that upper frame while charging and under simple browser load? It also heats up a lot while downloading stuff from the Google Play store, even if not plugged to the charger. Oddly enough, the phone doesn't seem to have throttled down and I didn't have any lags or something. I ran a 3D Mark test when the phone was charging and got really warm, it still scored over 17.5k.
There's a screenshot below for the temperatures I am getting, those were actually low, some of those sensors appeared over 65C earlier on.
Is it faulty hardware? Should I return the product? Could anyone help me? Any help is really appreciated!

Mine never gets that hot. Only warm, as I would describe it best.
I'd try for a return/swap before it's too late and something fries.

G4 temperature testing
Keep in mind it depends on your environment of course, but unless you're living in the depths of hell I seriously doubt 48c while doing nothing much isn't a hardware (SoC thermal) problem. I'd be pushing for a replacement, where'd you buy it from?
By the way 65c? Jesus even my Oneplus 2 didn't get that hot.

hyperfriend said:
Mine never gets that hot. Only warm, as I would describe it best.
I'd try for a return/swap before it's too late and something fries.
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Yeah, I'll probably try it. I had a Xperia Z1 before and it never gave me heating problems, not to mention the battery would last an entire day with my using and watching videos. Already talked to the seller actually and the person said she'll be waiting for me to change the phone. I don't know, really; might be me and my location, it's really hot in here. Always about 30~35C+. But I still believe the phone shouldn't get that warm when charging.
I actually made a little comparison and my modem/router reaches about the same temperature as it; that is, without any cooling, the little modem gets incredibly hot to the touch.
I actually tried a few things I read around, hard/soft resetting, trying a less juicy charger (taking in consideration the one it comes with delivers 1.8 amp), tried one with 1 amp max output, still heated...
Either way, would you mind posting a screenshot like mine with your phone after some heavy usage/gaming? That'd be really helpful! Thanks in advance for replying!

Ran Antutu, midway switched to Aida and:
Do note: phone still does not feel "hot". Warm, sure. Hot, not quite :good:

Stevles said:
G4 temperature testing
Keep in mind it depends on your environment of course, but unless you're living in the depths of hell I seriously doubt 48c while doing nothing much isn't a hardware (SoC thermal) problem. I'd be pushing for a replacement, where'd you buy it from?
By the way 65c? Jesus even my Oneplus 2 didn't get that hot.
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Well, that's what the sensors were showing, I don't have a good way to actually measure the temperature the hardware is reaching... Does the OP2 heats up? xD
Well, Brazil isn't really far from hell, common temperatures ranging from 35-43 during the day is...pretty close, I suppose.
Pfeffernuss said:
Ran Antutu, midway switched to Aida and:
Do note: phone still does not feel "hot". Warm, sure. Hot, not quite :good:
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Thank you for the reference! It's strange though, my sensors reached about the same temperature, but the phone doesn't simply feel warm... As I said earlier, it really feels like a cheap-o ADSL modem on a hot day. You can hold your hand over the screen, for an example, but it becomes uncomfortable. The sides also gets really warm. I managed to figure where most of the heat came from though, it's just at the upper-left edge of the phone, close to the frontal-facing camera.

I've had 4 different Verizon g4's now and the all did the same thing , the two I have that are newest (one a couple weeks old) and they would get so hot around the modem and CPU i couldn't touch them and if even smell the chemicals in the plastic starting to release vapors (which that's not far from actual ignition) but the newest one isn't quite as bad. They all still worked through the heat without any noticeable damage, but I still have to pop the back off while using chrome plugged or not and hold it in front of a fan. This is the weirdest damn phone I've ever seen. .so picky and requires a lots of care but setup just right with a balance of what is continuously running especially how many and what kinda persistent services and it has become a real powerful toy lol
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The LG G4 is hot because of the Snapdragon 808 processor... See the link here I started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/lg-g4-thermal-compound-mod-t3255074#post64038221

37 and 39 ° on bms? seriously dude, thermal throttling starts at ~45°. Your phone is absolutely normal!
Don't look at tz sensors, they are components instant temperature.

dadrumgod said:
I've had 4 different Verizon g4's now and the all did the same thing , the two I have that are newest (one a couple weeks old) and they would get so hot around the modem and CPU i couldn't touch them and if even smell the chemicals in the plastic starting to release vapors (which that's not far from actual ignition) but the newest one isn't quite as bad. They all still worked through the heat without any noticeable damage, but I still have to pop the back off while using chrome plugged or not and hold it in front of a fan. This is the weirdest damn phone I've ever seen. .so picky and requires a lots of care but setup just right with a balance of what is continuously running especially how many and what kinda persistent services and it has become a real powerful toy lol
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Oh my god, I have been doing that with mine, that's hilarious! I mean, my Xperia Z1 would get really hot with some applications, but then I'd just take it under a tap and cool it off... xD
On the other hand, I really didn't know I'd need to care so much about heat under normal usage with a flagship phone. It's sad because it becomes really uncomfortable to hold.
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The LG G4 is hot because of the Snapdragon 808 processor... See the link here I started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/lg-g4-thermal-compound-mod-t3255074#post64038221
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Uh...okay, I will sure check that, thanks! But the last thing I want to do is to open a damn phone just to apply thermal compound. I wouldn't mind doing that to a PC every week, but doing once for a phone is kinda sad...
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37 and 39 ° on bms? seriously dude, thermal throttling starts at ~45°. Your phone is absolutely normal!
Don't look at tz sensors, they are components instant temperature.
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I kinda figured that out, the temperature they were showing is really over the head. The problem is, the upper part of the screen feels way hotter than 40C. I also did another run with the phone while heated and it showed throttling this time. Scores from Antutu and 3D mark were about 15~20% off.

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Oh my god, I have been doing that with mine, that's hilarious! I mean, my Xperia Z1 would get really hot with some applications, but then I'd just take it under a tap and cool it off... xD
On the other hand, I really didn't know I'd need to care so much about heat under normal usage with a flagship phone. It's sad because it becomes really uncomfortable to hold.
Uh...okay, I will sure check that, thanks! But the last thing I want to do is to open a damn phone just to apply thermal compound. I wouldn't mind doing that to a PC every week, but doing once for a phone is kinda sad...
I kinda figured that out, the temperature they were showing is really over the head. The problem is, the upper part of the screen feels way hotter than 40C. I also did another run with the phone while heated and it showed throttling this time. Scores from Antutu and 3D mark were about 15~20% off.
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The Xperia Z1 runs on a Snapdragon 800, not a 808 so it's not the same. That's the reason the G4 used a 808 instead of a 810 as the 808 is throttled back. As for opening the phone, it's the easiest phone to open and you only need to do it once for the thermal interface material, G3 had heating problems too. A Smartphone is still a computer as it's a entire Unix workstation that fits in your pocket. The processor is 6 cores and is 64 bit and it's located on the top part of the screen.

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The Xperia Z1 runs on a Snapdragon 800, not a 808 so it's not the same. That's the reason the G4 used a 808 instead of a 810 as the 808 is throttled back. As for opening the phone, it's the easiest phone to open and you only need to do it once for the thermal interface material, G3 had heating problems too. A Smartphone is still a computer as it's a entire Unix workstation that fits in your pocket. The processor is 6 cores and is 64 bit and it's located on the top part of the screen.
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Yeah, I know that quite well, believe me. It still makes me a bit sad about having a phone of this kind heating like a piece of plastic you find at those cheap-o stores. I would have actually bought a Xperia Z3+, but I heard so much about the thing overheating that made me really sad.
I also found one of those travel pack kits, with a battery and a external charger, is it a good idea to get one? You know, make usage of this lovely thing that swappable battery is.
Oddly enough, my own battery seems to be lasting pretty okay, fully charged yesterday, did some gaming, watched videos on YT, installed applications and such. Still going for over 24 hours right now and it has some juice left.

michaelnishi said:
Yeah, I know that quite well, believe me. It still makes me a bit sad about having a phone of this kind heating like a piece of plastic you find at those cheap-o stores. I would have actually bought a Xperia Z3+, but I heard so much about the thing overheating that made me really sad.
I also found one of those travel pack kits, with a battery and a external charger, is it a good idea to get one? You know, make usage of this lovely thing that swappable battery is.
Oddly enough, my own battery seems to be lasting pretty okay, fully charged yesterday, did some gaming, watched videos on YT, installed applications and such. Still going for over 24 hours right now and it has some juice left.
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Remember that Sony has always been known as a quality electronics brand. LG = GoldStar... until they had flat screen tv's, GoldStar was always a low end brand. It's no different than Hyundai having their new Genesis or whatever car and trying to be in the luxury market. The brand will never be the same level as the luxury brands like Cadillac, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti if you know what I mean.
No idea about the travel pack kits as I have never seen one here, depends if it's a good value or not as the battery alone is about $US30 and you really only need the battery. If you really wanted another battery, just call the wireless carrier and claim that your battery have issues, they'll send you one for free without having to send the old one back. I have over 760 apps installed including system apps and I have to greenify everything, otherwise Google Play Store won't download and install and hangs, doesn't do it on my Motorola Xoom tablet with less memory but only happens on phones even Motorola's for some reason. I noticed if I freeze Lookout, my battery life is way longer.

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Remember that Sony has always been known as a quality electronics brand. LG = GoldStar... until they had flat screen tv's, GoldStar was always a low end brand. It's no different than Hyundai having their new Genesis or whatever car and trying to be in the luxury market. The brand will never be the same level as the luxury brands like Cadillac, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti if you know what I mean.
No idea about the travel pack kits as I have never seen one here, depends if it's a good value or not as the battery alone is about $US30 and you really only need the battery. If you really wanted another battery, just call the wireless carrier and claim that your battery have issues, they'll send you one for free without having to send the old one back. I have over 760 apps installed including system apps and I have to greenify everything, otherwise Google Play Store won't download and install and hangs, doesn't do it on my Motorola Xoom tablet with less memory but only happens on phones even Motorola's for some reason. I noticed if I freeze Lookout, my battery life is way longer.
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True about the brand thing. But I really thought LG improved a lot. With their flat-screens and phones at least. I have been using LG monitors and TVs for a while now, only issue I had was with a LCD monitor, after 5 years of usage the thing won't stay on for over 5 minutes. The monitor would reboot and freeze at the LG logo.
The carrier thing isn't a choice where I live. The phone is "unlocked", so you can use with any carrier you want. My model is also the H818, dual-sim version. And yeah, it's going really cheap here, it's about 90 BRL, which is about 23 bucks. I found it in a good retail store and the product is certainly original from LG.
I also thought about getting the brand new Xperia Z5, but it's far too expensive here and it would have a smaller screen. While the Z5 premium isn't even an option because it hasn't reached the stores yet. So, the best option I had was the LG G4. Best price, swappable battery, larger screen, great camera and the best of those was the expandable storage. I own a toshiba class 10 64 gig SD, didn't want it to go to waste with a Samsung phone. ^^

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True about the brand thing. But I really thought LG improved a lot. With their flat-screens and phones at least. I have been using LG monitors and TVs for a while now, only issue I had was with a LCD monitor, after 5 years of usage the thing won't stay on for over 5 minutes. The monitor would reboot and freeze at the LG logo.
The carrier thing isn't a choice where I live. The phone is "unlocked", so you can use with any carrier you want. My model is also the H818, dual-sim version. And yeah, it's going really cheap here, it's about 90 BRL, which is about 23 bucks. I found it in a good retail store and the product is certainly original from LG.
I also thought about getting the brand new Xperia Z5, but it's far too expensive here and it would have a smaller screen. While the Z5 premium isn't even an option because it hasn't reached the stores yet. So, the best option I had was the LG G4. Best price, swappable battery, larger screen, great camera and the best of those was the expandable storage. I own a toshiba class 10 64 gig SD, didn't want it to go to waste with a Samsung phone. ^^
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It really depends on how many of the components are made by LG. Samsung makes more of the things inside their devices. As for LG, their OLED Flat Panel displays are full of problems if you look at avsforums which results into replacing panels and even sending full refunds. Panasonic sources the LG panels and then uses their own electronics and the thing is better but the Panasonic is atleast $US10k while the LG is $US5k.
I had never seen a LG monitor until recently as I'm still on a Silicon Graphics Inc 1600SW made by Mitsubishi Industrial in Japan, this is the same display used by the big CEOs on their desks including Bill Gates.
You can use the Verizon Wireless LG G4 with any carrier you want too, it's just the data part might not be 4G LTE speeds as those are all carrier dependent. Wow, 23 bucks is cheap for a phone since wouldn't it actually be cheaper buying another G4 than the so called battery kit you mentioned? The LG G4 supposedly has better reception than even Motorola phones from what I heard so not all is bad, basically they don't put 100% into a product so they can have room to introduce better models at a later date. LOL. The LG G4 is the only phone currently that has both a replaceable battery and MicroSD slot. To me, the second one is a requirement while the first one is good to have.

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It really depends on how many of the components are made by LG. Samsung makes more of the things inside their devices. As for LG, their OLED Flat Panel displays are full of problems if you look at avsforums which results into replacing panels and even sending full refunds. Panasonic sources the LG panels and then uses their own electronics and the thing is better but the Panasonic is atleast $US10k while the LG is $US5k.
I had never seen a LG monitor until recently as I'm still on a Silicon Graphics Inc 1600SW made by Mitsubishi Industrial in Japan, this is the same display used by the big CEOs on their desks including Bill Gates.
You can use the Verizon Wireless LG G4 with any carrier you want too, it's just the data part might not be 4G LTE speeds as those are all carrier dependent. Wow, 23 bucks is cheap for a phone since wouldn't it actually be cheaper buying another G4 than the so called battery kit you mentioned? The LG G4 supposedly has better reception than even Motorola phones from what I heard so not all is bad, basically they don't put 100% into a product so they can have room to introduce better models at a later date. LOL. The LG G4 is the only phone currently that has both a replaceable battery and MicroSD slot. To me, the second one is a requirement while the first one is good to have.
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Oh, sorry my english failed me there, second language and stuff, you know? I meant the charger kit is 23 bucks in here. 90 BRL converted to USD is about 23 bucks. The phone itself costed me almost 500 USD, got the one with black leather back, damn it looks great.
There's a lot of stuff about components I didn't know. Decent monitors here such as gaming ones are really expensive. LG ones manages good image quality and are also quite cheap. There is cheaper stuff in here, but the image quality on them is really bad.
Swappable battery isn't a must for me either, it's just nice to have. Now the MicroSD slot is a must, I like carrying a lot of stuff on the phone. Music, videos, games and such. Just 32 gigs wouldn't be enough for me xD

At $US23, it's still a bargain for the charger kit. I have the black leather back as well except the thread on mines is black as I basically used shoe cream on it to condition the leather after hearing some people's leather worn off.
About all monitors are cheap compared to my SGI which was $US2,500. I actually never use the internal SD because if something happens to the phone and it won't boot, you're in trouble as I have my Titanium backups on a 200GB MicroSD card which was actually cloned from my Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx HD.

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At $US23, it's still a bargain for the charger kit. I have the black leather back as well except the thread on mines is black as I basically used shoe cream on it to condition the leather after hearing some people's leather worn off.
About all monitors are cheap compared to my SGI which was $US2,500. I actually never use the internal SD because if something happens to the phone and it won't boot, you're in trouble as I have my Titanium backups on a 200GB MicroSD card which was actually cloned from my Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx HD.
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It is really cheap indeed, just ordered one. The kit's model is BCK-4800, it comes with an extra battery, a battery case and the external charger. Really great deal!
Did not know about that thing on the leather back... I do have a simple TPU case here, I haven't been using it because the phone's temperatures. It's really odd though, today isn't so hot in here (About 25-30C most) the phone is warm but it charged really quickly, it jumped from 5% to 85% in less than an hour. xD
Either way, that sounds like a really expensive monitor...Woah...

I'm using a battery pack as I still didn't get the free promotion of the battery, battery case and leather back yet as they ran out of stock. Last email from LG on October 20, 2015 was another 4-6 weeks which has came and gone, they haven't responded to my emails either. I'm using a Ringke Fusion case except it always pulls the entire leather back off when I try to take off the case.
http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-LEATHER-Back-Absorption-Protection-Customizable/dp/B00V51QOXA
When I got my monitor, it was in 2000 so it's still alive and kicking... LOL. It's basically the 17.3" version of the Apple 22" display. SGI is the big workstation manufacturer that has 500" or larger screens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW

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I'm using a battery pack as I still didn't get the free promotion of the battery, battery case and leather back yet as they ran out of stock. Last email from LG on October 20, 2015 was another 4-6 weeks which has came and gone, they haven't responded to my emails either. I'm using a Ringke Fusion case except it always pulls the entire leather back off when I try to take off the case.
http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-LEATHER-Back-Absorption-Protection-Customizable/dp/B00V51QOXA
When I got my monitor, it was in 2000 so it's still alive and kicking... LOL. It's basically the 17.3" version of the Apple 22" display. SGI is the big workstation manufacturer that has 500" or larger screens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW
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I did a quick search on it and saw that! I am actually using a old LG CRT monitor because my old 23 inch LCD one broke.
That case looks really good, but it's not shipped to Brazil... Oh well, nothing new, really.

removeable battery

just curious can note 7 avoid this catastrophe if the battery was removeable ,what are your views ?

Since we don't know what the cause was, my opinion is I don't know (well, I read something I haven't seen anywhere on the boards or any other news source but one but I won't state it because I have been accused of reading the news, it is in a language most won't understand anyway). But I am confident they should be able to fix the issue. I would largely prefer them to keep the IP68 rating.

You asked for some views so here are mine, much to the chagrin of many I'm sure but that's ok, that's just fine, really.
Based on currently available information which includes how Li-Ion batteries actually work, I personally would say the actual reason(s) that the Note 7 devices are considered to be defective is not because of the battery itself. So, while having a removable battery is a great thing - and I prefer devices that have removable batteries personally and only buy such devices with my own cash (I got my GS7A as a trade for a laptop so it didn't cost me any cash out of pocket).
Try this hypothetical situation for just a moment, if you will.
Without naming name brands or particular models, say you have a smartphone that has a removable back cover and a removable battery inside. To get to that battery and remove it you must handle the device well enough to be able to get at the back cover, probably find the tiny little gap that most have so you can insert a fingernail into it or perhaps a nail file, a butter knife, anything at all that can fit in that little gap so you can then start to lift the back cover off the device, unsnapping the retainer clips as you do so.
Follow me so far?
After the back cover is fully removed from the device you then have to remove the actual battery itself. Most removable batteries have a spot where you can "hook" a fingernail into and then pull gently to pry the battery up and out of the frame of the phone itself. If necessary you can probably turn the smartphone display side up and then smack the phone into your palm and the battery would probably drop out into hand, but generally most people just use their fingernail or perhaps a spudger to pry the battery loose from the device.
Voila, you've removed the battery entirely, congratulations.
Now here's where it gets interesting:
Say this smartphone has a defect that is occurring at random times on some devices - some of them will exhibit the defect (as cause and effect) and some devices may never exhibit it because of the random nature of how it presents itself. Considering this random nature of the defect presenting itself, say that at some point either while you are actually using your smartphone in your hand, or it's in your pocket, or it's mounted to your dash in your car with a holder, or it's sitting on a desk or table, or anywhere at all really and...
It starts smoking.
I mean it literally starts smoking and the smoke is quiet visible and you can see it easily. You can even smell it as it's happening. If the phone is in your hand when it starts smoking your most common reaction will be to drop the device right then and there, especially if in addition to the smoke you feel some heat buildup, like it was somewhat cool a few seconds ago but now it's smoking and it's getting damned hot, fast.
Again, most people in that situation are going to drop the device immediately.
But your device has a removable battery under the removable back cover, right? So...
If you dropped the device because it was smoking and getting hot there's a chance, a small chance but a chance nonetheless, that in the act of dropping your device when it hits the ground or it lands on a desktop or table top it might just cause the back cover to pop off and the battery might just pop out of the device entirely. That's a possible thing, right, you can actually imagine that dropping a smartphone with a removable back cover and removable battery might just make the back cover pop off and the battery pop out.
Still following me? Good but here's my point.
If you have a smartphone and it starts smoking, anywhere - be it in your hand, pocket, dash holder, tripod holder for pictures, on a flat surface, in a pool, under water, in a toilet, desktop, table, gravel, dirt, sand, on a road, it doesn't matter - the primary way to get the battery out of that device means you have to remove the back cover and then remove the battery and that requires you to hold it but since it's smoking and getting hotter by the second that's not really an option anymore.
So what then? Does that mean having a removable battery is a bad thing? Well, no, not really, but in a situation where the device fails in some manner and causes - that's the important thing here, the cause - the battery to fail as well and burn itself up it means you could potentially suffer some injury yourself because you have to manually remove the back cover then the battery.
tl;dr Yes it's a good thing to have a removable battery, but if a device with a removable battery fails and you want to remove the battery during the failure hoping to save the device itself from further damage, you might be injured yourself because you have to handle the device to some degree to get that failing battery out before it does damage the device or in the most extreme situation explode which destroys the device and also might release the gases from the battery which are incredibly toxic to humans.

I'm just speculating here.
My answer is: Maybe.
If I read is correct and the fault lies with the design flaw more than a battery defect, having removable battery would mean losing water resistance and the curve design, and maybe not apply too much pressure on to the physical battery itself.
What I do know is, if we had removable battery, Samsung would have avoided a full on major recall and just exchange the battery. If size is a problem, maybe a smaller capacity in exchange for safety. And maybe a small refund or a token of gesture to make up for the smaller capacity.
Oh well. What a waste.

Aimara said:
just curious can note 7 avoid this catastrophe if the battery was removeable ,what are your views ?
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IF the battery is-was the problem then your question has an obvious answer. WE don't know yet what the problem is so no one can yet say.
Its yet more of these threads with yet more speculation over a done and dusted deal.
Ryland

I do agree with broadband. Even with removable batteries, if the batteries were damage, I wont be fast enough to remove it to prevent total loss.
But yah, it will drastically affect the recall process. Recall batteries are still better than the whole phone. And there will be plentybof after market alternatives to tide over temporarily

One of the reason is also easy troubleshooting , but a faulty set is needed to test the theory, example a faulty note 7 came with a removable battery, reports states that it will get extremely hot before smoking up, sure many of you who own Samsung older version of phones, changing battery is quite fast if the techniques is right, ok just a example, if the first one is a sdi battery as claimed, went faulty, threw it off before smoking up.
Went to claim from Samsung, which is ampere battery(forgot the name), if it didn't does a thermal? What's the deduction then?
If the second battery did smoke up, high chance its the phone issue? Of course this is just a theory, with all the reported note 7 smoking up and burned like crisp, it's quite hard to csi it.

Based on my observations, it seems like the replacement units are more prone to blowing up than the original. Even with the ATL batteries.