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I'm a new and I don't know if let Arc from x% to 0% batterry (Ex : you are watching movies and listen to music then go to over sleep) and Arc auto turn off --> Arc will be damage ?.
With your experience, would you let me know about this
Thanks !
well from looking at one angle it might cause u serious problem..but if u have an external charger then u can charge and use your phone
dont let lithium batteries to drain till single digits..keep them charging whenever u get a chance
Maybe if you have a custom ROM, my arc s has turned off by itself from low battery and i just recharged until it was strong enough to boot into the homescreen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Prolonging battery pack life
Avoid deep discharge and instead charge more often between uses, the smaller the depth of discharge, the longer the battery will last.
Avoid storing the battery in full discharged state. As the battery will self-discharge over time, its voltage will gradually lower, and when it is depleted below the low-voltage threshold (2.4 to 2.9 V/cell, depending on chemistry) it cannot be charged anymore because the protection circuit (a type of electronic fuse) disables it.
Lithium-ion batteries should be kept cool; they may be stored in a refrigerator.
The rate of degradation of Lithium-ion batteries is strongly temperature-dependent; they degrade much faster if stored or used at higher temperatures.
The rate of degradation of Lithium-ion batteries is also related to battery charge level; they degrade much faster when at 100% charge, than at lower charges. Since batteries die if deep discharged (depleted) and since a battery has some self-discharge it is frequently recommended to store batteries at 40% charge level.
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I hope that tells you the answer.
if you leave it @ 0% for any extended period you run the risk of it never taking charge again. i have done this to countless (not phone) batteries by accident and i can tell you that it is 100% true.
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so basically, it is dangerous to leave it at both 0% and 100%?
d3FytH3m1Nd said:
so basically, it is dangerous to leave it at both 0% and 100%?
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Yes and no lol. Basically using your battery is the best thing you can do.
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I better starting to treat my battery better then, haha..
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If you let it die it may give you a hard time getting it charged again. It needs a certain amount of power to boot the phone to a state where it can check the battery and start the charger. I have killed mine a couple times and had a few tense hours trying to get it charging again. So it is best not to let the battery die completely
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SL_Don said:
If you let it die it may give you a hard time getting it charged again. It needs a certain amount of power to boot the phone to a state where it can check the battery and start the charger. I have killed mine a couple times and had a few tense hours trying to get it charging again. So it is best not to let the battery die completely
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Thanks for your experience. But android don't have any soft auto turn off phone when battery is 10-15% ?
Besides the main battery power, there is also a reserve power when the battery is discharged. If the reserve is depleted, the battery will be completely discharged and cannot be used at all. Prolonged full discharge of the battery will shorten its working life.
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Kinada new to this. But
It is ok to charge the Samsung stock gsm battery at any percentage or should I wait till it low to charge it??
Like if I'm at 30% at night and need full battery for the next day, should I drain it to 10% ish or just let it charge from 30%??
Would it shorten the length of the battery or harm/damage the battery in any way??
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airkenada said:
Kinada new to this. But
It is ok to charge the Samsung stock gsm battery at any percentage or should I wait till it low to charge it??
Like if I'm at 30% at night and need full battery for the next day, should I drain it to 10% ish or just let it charge from 30%??
Would it shorten the length of the battery or harm/damage the battery in any way??
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doesnt matter with lithium.
Samsung Galaxy Nexus uses Li-Ion battery. So it doesn't matter if u charge it any way u like.
follow this for tips: http://lifehacker.com/5875162/how-often-should-i-charge-my-gadgets-battery-to-prolong-its-lifespan
Does leaving the phone plugged into the charger all night degrade the battery?
creeve4 said:
Does leaving the phone plugged into the charger all night degrade the battery?
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yes it does.. overcharging the battery is not good. it may decrease its capacity. it is always recommended to unplug it when your phone is fully charged
- It is best to keep the battery between 20-80% and never fully discharge it except for the first time just for calibration
- It is preferable to use the pc for charging (slow charging is better)
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
mohaimed said:
yes it does.. overcharging the battery is not good. it may decrease its capacity. it is always recommended to unplug it when your phone is fully charged
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What you'd stated is true but doesn't the galaxy nexus have its own safety for this where it stops charging and runs off the battery til it drops to ~98-96% and then charges back up ?
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DynamicRam said:
- It is best to keep the battery between 20-80% and never fully discharge it except for the first time just for calibration
- It is preferable to use the pc for charging (slow charging is better)
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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Is slow charging really better? In my experience, when charging from AC, the battery lasts longer than when I charged it from my laptop.
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Is slow charging really better? In my experience, when charging from AC, the battery lasts longer than when I charged it from my laptop.
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It should be better because its cooler also its more steady than an AC Charger
I just charge it at night before sleeping and unplug it when I wake up..taught the battery stop overcharging??
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Does leaving the phone plugged into the charger all night degrade the battery?
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No, the charger will stop charging when the battery is full. If it didn't, an explosion would awaken you at night....
Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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Only with my laptop and dewalt 18volt lol. Because it is a nicad battery.
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tld88 said:
Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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I don't think it will hurt the battery to leave on charge for an hr or two at 100%. It is recommended to not charge till you are 10% or under from what I read
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These phones are lithium batteries. Once it hits 100% or too hot to charge the circuit shuts down. Even my stupid cordless drill does this.
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Thanks guys. Much appreciated.
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I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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I do the same
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mcskibadee1 said:
I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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I am going to give this a try itbis a good idea thanks never thought of using a low amp
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tld88 said:
Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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Lithium Ion batteries are in an ideal state of equilibrium when at 50% charge. If you want to maximize the overall shelf life of the battery, do your best to keep it around 50% charge and avoid the extremes like 0% and 100%. Practically speaking this is tough to do. I am frequently near a charger, so I can unplug around 60% and plug it back in around 40%. The high amperage chargers that come with the phone can add 20% in about 30-40 minutes.
So the answer to your question is, the less time your battery spends at 100% the better to maintain the quality of the battery.
LOL, I keep phone on the charger all the time. Then again, I usually have the screen on most of time.
The only danger I can think of is if someone comes out with a kernal that does SBC which can give batteries more charge, but can also damage the battery if overcharged. I haven't kept up on all the kernals, but I don't believe anyone has made any with SBC.
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Lithium Ion batteries are in an ideal state of equilibrium when at 50% charge. If you want to maximize the overall shelf life of the battery, do your best to keep it around 50% charge and avoid the extremes like 0% and 100%. Practically speaking this is tough to do. I am frequently near a charger, so I can unplug around 60% and plug it back in around 40%. The high amperage chargers that come with the phone can add 20% in about 30-40 minutes.
So the answer to your question is, the less time your battery spends at 100% the better to maintain the quality of the battery.
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50% is for storage. When in use it is optimal to charge to 100% and recharge between 10-20%, ideally at the 15% warning, which is why it's there. Charging to 100% overnight wouldn't have a huge impact on battery life for a li-ion unless you left it plugged in for several days straight. All newer good quality cellphone and mobile device li-ions have a voltage regulator and charging circuit built in. When the battery reaches 90% the voltage regulator drops the input voltage so its receiving less power til 100% once it reaches 100% the charging circuit opens and stops charging the battery, once the battery begins to discharge again while plugged in the voltage regulator switches to "trickle" charge mode which puts back a small amount of power every minute or so. When "trickle" charging the input power is so low the battery can actually drain while still charging if its being used. These are safety measures to prevent damage to the phone and battery and lessen the risk of the battery exploding, but it also helps prolong the life of the battery by preventing it from constantly overcharging if you forget to unplug it or charge over night. Hope that helps explain a bit about how charging works. Its also better to charge the battery at lower amperage outside of the device. Optimal charging for a li-ion is around 750ma on an external charger or while the device is off.
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50% is for storage. When in use it is optimal to charge to 100% and recharge between 10-20%, ideally at the 15% warning, which is why it's there. Charging to 100% overnight wouldn't have a huge impact on battery life for a li-ion unless you left it plugged in for several days straight. All newer good quality cellphone and mobile device li-ions have a voltage regulator and charging circuit built in. When the battery reaches 90% the voltage regulator drops the input voltage so its receiving less power til 100% once it reaches 100% the charging circuit opens and stops charging the battery, once the battery begins to discharge again while plugged in the voltage regulator switches to "trickle" charge mode which puts back a small amount of power every minute or so. When "trickle" charging the input power is so low the battery can actually drain while still charging if its being used. These are safety measures to prevent damage to the phone and battery and lessen the risk of the battery exploding, but it also helps prolong the life of the battery by preventing it from constantly overcharging if you forget to unplug it or charge over night. Hope that helps explain a bit about how charging works. Its also better to charge the battery at lower amperage outside of the device. Optimal charging for a li-ion is around 750ma on an external charger or while the device is off.
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This. These batteries should be above 70 precent or so as much as possible to remain efficient. Also never let it die that decreases life span.
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-Does keeping the phone plugged in via USB (when battery is at 100%) decrease battery life?
-Approximately how long should the battery last if the phone idles? If the screen is on 24/7?
-Are these batteries any good compared to the stock one?
IamaznX said:
-Does keeping the phone plugged in via USB (when battery is at 100%) decrease battery life?
-Approximately how long should the battery last if the phone idles? If the screen is on 24/7?
-Are these batteries any good compared to the stock one?
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1.) Plugging in the phone while charged does decrease the battery life as you can only charge a battery for lets say 1000 cycles or so.
2.) Battery life depends on how long you use your phone, your ROM so I couldn't say. But my phone with the screen on lasts about 8 hours (SGH-T989)
3.) Check the reviews, it has five stars so I would assume that the battery is pretty good.
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1.) Plugging in the phone while charged does decrease the battery life as you can only charge a battery for lets say 1000 cycles or so.
2.) Battery life depends on how long you use your phone, your ROM so I couldn't say. But my phone with the screen on lasts about 8 hours (SGH-T989)
3.) Check the reviews, it has five stars so I would assume that the battery is pretty good.
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Is losing about 30% battery life overnight (about 7 hours) with the screen off normal?
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Is losing about 30% battery life overnight (about 7 hours) with the screen off normal?
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Ehh I wouldn't think so...unless something is waking it up every now and then like a app or something...I normally loose about 10% if that if I let it sit over night
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Is losing about 30% battery life overnight (about 7 hours) with the screen off normal?
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Not at all. I would use a battery monitor app to see what's draining the battery because that's very excessive drainage.
I can't imagine how much it drains when you're actually using it...
what rom/kernel are you using?
I agree with what others here have said, but just to add a little something, I heard that for the best battery "life" its best to try and keep it between 20% to 90%. Don't quote me, I heard it on one of those YouTube tech channels, I wonder if that is true. I always thought that it was best to completely kill the battery and then fully charge it.
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I agree with what others here have said, but just to add a little something, I heard that for the best battery "life" its best to try and keep it between 20% to 90%. Don't quote me, I heard it on one of those YouTube tech channels, I wonder if that is true. I always thought that it was best to completely kill the battery and then fully charge it.
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That's for a new battery. Only for a couple full cycles. Else it's best to charge when you hit 15-20 and charge uninterrupted to 100.
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Is it safe to charging at night, if it's not, what will it do to the battery?
Customer service always tells me to charge it just for 3-4 hours, but I have difficulty with that since I get home late and I leave early, but I still manage to get a full battery without it charging overnight but I would just like to know
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Is it safe to charging at night, if it's not, what will it do to the battery?
Customer service always tells me to charge it just for 3-4 hours, but I have difficulty with that since I get home late and I leave early, but I still manage to get a full battery without it charging overnight but I would just like to know
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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Hmm that's weird, but from the sounds of that, I don't think it's healthy for the battery to charge for a long time
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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That thread is perfect! I would use it but I need notifications to notify me but I did use it for a night! Amazing difference
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Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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I do use that guide. My signal is terrible and is what drains my battery. I really don't believe that is related to any app running wild and draining my battery because from completely dead to 100% takes about 2.5-3 hours with me using it, WiFi on, brightness at 100%, etc; I can also easily get over 2 days without a charge with light use... It would be more but my lack of signal accounts for an almost 1.5% per hour idle drain. Good signal areas I'll drain less than .5% per hour with no use/app changes outside of having a strong signal.
Weird...
When your phone charges to 100%, your phone knows to stop charging, mine always stops charging when is says "reached 100%". I just leave it on the charger and it stays steady at 100 until i take it off.
It shouldn't effect the lithium ion, either.
I thought that was the special thing about lithium ion?
They don't wear down?
Idk, could be wrong.
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Overnight charging is a no no. More info here http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
I always leave it charging when I fall asleep. And if, IF I wake up in the middle of my sleep and see that it's at 100% I'll unplug it. If I don't wake-up I'll just leave it charging until I wake up. Been doing that since before I even had a smartphone and never had any problems. Then again I do switch phones every year
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I do use that guide. My signal is terrible and is what drains my battery. I really don't believe that is related to any app running wild and draining my battery because from completely dead to 100% takes about 2.5-3 hours with me using it, WiFi on, brightness at 100%, etc; I can also easily get over 2 days without a charge with light use... It would be more but my lack of signal accounts for an almost 1.5% per hour idle drain. Good signal areas I'll drain less than .5% per hour with no use/app changes outside of having a strong signal.
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A bad signal will definitely drain your battery. When I know I am in an area without signal and will be there for a few hours I turn my phone's power off so I have some battery left when I need it.
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I've always charged my phone at night and have never had usages with the battery.
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Bought some cheap batteries on Amazon, I charge whenever I want, however I want (typically overnight, all night). If I ruin the battery, so be it, I can just pop it out and replace it in 5 seconds. This is the real advantage of having a removable battery.
I've always left my smartphones on the charger overnight. Seven years going and haven't had any issues. I do tend to replace my battery after 9-12 months of use though.
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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This sums it up. Per the article linked earlier in the thread about charging li-ion, it sounds (relatively) trivial for the device manufacturer to implement a charging cut-off after the cells reach a specific voltage level. Once the cells drop to a certain level they're safe to charge again, and the cycle starts over. I don't imagine it's great for the battery to sit on that recharge cycle, but it's not going to over-charge and become a fire hazard.
I imagine external battery chargers might be a little different. That $3 battery & charger from eBay isn't going to have the same safety regulations as a major manufacturer like Samsung.
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Overnight charging is a no no. More info here http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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An interesting tidbit from that article.
Li-ion does not need to be fully charged, as is the case with lead acid, nor is it desirable to do so. In fact, it is better not to fully charge, because high voltages stresses the battery.
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I'm pretty sure a $600 phone can handle any of your charging blunders. Relax kid.
We're not dealing with Nokia's anymore.
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Avoiding full charge has benefits, and some manufacturers set the charge threshold lower on purpose to prolong battery life.
Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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I'm pretty sure a $600 phone can handle any of your charging blunders. Relax kid.
We're not dealing with Nokia's anymore.
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All the other comments say not to charge over night...
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I charge mine overnight with no issues.
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I just called Samsung and they highly recommend me to not charge it over night
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norml said:
Avoiding full charge has benefits, and some manufacturers set the charge threshold lower on purpose to prolong battery life.
Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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I get the general concepts that the article presents, but it doesn't really address any advances in charging methodologies that newer devices could add. It reads like it was designed for 'dumb' devices such as cordless phones, rechargable power tools, etc. For instance, it says never to charge with the device powered on. Yet Windows Phones (at least my Lumia 800) won't charge with the device off...plugging it in automatically boots the phone up.
Our phones obviously have more advanced power circuitry, such as being able to hold the power button in and have the device power cycle no matter what state the phone is in, and I assume it applies to other parts of the phone as well.