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My friends has a gs3 he purchased on release day and rooted it. The past week he accepted two ota's which broke his root. So I'm trying to root it for him but here's where the confusion kicks in. On sprints website it actually show these updates are old and not new and there's two more recent ones he never got pushed to him. Right now the phone is on LG2 and won't update any further. What do I need to do to be up to date with root. Should I just look for a way to root this build or try updating it. By the way I haven't seen any root methods for this build which is why I'm asking. Thanks in advance to anyone who responds :beer:
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Not 100% sure what you're needing. But look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31981341
(Latest stock is LI3)
And then here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941546
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drewmonge said:
Not 100% sure what you're needing. But look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31981341
(Latest stock is LI3)
And then here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941546
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Thank you! One more question. I'm reading but I don't see anything regarding data wiped. So does doing any of these steps wipe out all data?
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The method he used to root it in the first place should work again. Try that.
Then once it's rooted again go to this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1904099
Download the file "LI3 STOCK WITH AUTO COUNTER RESET" in the first post and flash the file in recovery. That will put the phone to 100%stock, unrooted, on the latest build.
From that point, if he wants to, he can reroot the phone and install the latest TWRP recovery. After that, tell him not to accept any OTA updates. Come back here to the development forum and someone will have the update in flashable form so that root isn't lost.
AdRock02gt said:
The method he used to root it in the first place should work again. Try that.
Then once it's rooted again go to this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1904099
Download the file "LI3 STOCK WITH AUTO COUNTER RESET" in the first post and flash the file in recovery. That will put the phone to 100%stock, unrooted, on the latest build.
From that point, if he wants to, he can reroot the phone and install the latest TWRP recovery. After that, tell him not to accept any OTA updates. Come back here to the development forum and someone will have the update in flashable form so that root isn't lost.
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Yup thats the most easy way of doing it. you say ur not rooted but do you have custom recovery? If so then re rooting before the flash wouldn't be necessary.
It will not wipe data however its recommended that you do. granted it will probably work just fine if it being installed over top of a stock Rom. Then to keep root/recovery just follow the instructions in the post
billard412 said:
Yup thats the most easy way of doing it. you say ur not rooted but do you have custom recovery? If so then re rooting before the flash wouldn't be necessary.
It will not wipe data however its recommended that you do. granted it will probably work just fine if it being installed over top of a stock Rom. Then to keep root/recovery just follow the instructions in the post
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I'm not sure if he has a custom recovery but I'm assuming if he was able to accept ota's and install them fine he must have stock recovery. I'll have to check and see a lil later as he's at work now.
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Any reason why his phone got these updates pushed back to back? And better yet why did it it stop at LG2 and not push LI3 and the one before that? Those two where his first updates since having the phone and they're mad old lol
Wish you guys had Odin OneClicks like we do for the GS2. Them things are so easy and stoopid proof lol
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RayTrue04 said:
Any reason why his phone got these updates pushed back to back? And better yet why did it it stop at LG2 and not push LI3 and the one before that? Those two where his first updates since having the phone and they're mad old lol
Wish you guys had Odin OneClicks like we do for the GS2. Them things are so easy and stoopid proof lol
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Sprints update system sucks......As for odin, you select the file you want to flash and click start......pretty stupid proof if you ask me. There is a .tar for the most recent update and the jellybean leak available in the development section.
shiftr182 said:
Sprints update system sucks......As for odin, you select the file you want to flash and click start......pretty stupid proof if you ask me. There is a .tar for the most recent update and the jellybean leak available in the development section.
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Yes it is stupid proof but it also makes you have to take an extra step to reset the count. On my phone I just deal with the Odin OC which don't mess with your counts and come rooted then mobile Odin for the rest. Never have to worry about a flash count. But anyways thanks for all the help guys! I'm going to try and get this done tonight. Even though we both going for the note 2 in just a matter of days
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So I updated to 4.1.2 recently and decided I'd simply root my phone. Now today I have the AT&T updater telling me I have an update pending. I'm already on 4.1.2 and the only possible reason I could conceive as to why this is popping up is because during rooting something must have changed and that flagged the updater as me having an obsolete firmware. Anyone else getting this?
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So I updated to 4.1.2 recently and decided I'd simply root my phone. Now today I have the AT&T updater telling me I have an update pending. I'm already on 4.1.2 and the only possible reason I could conceive as to why this is popping up is because during rooting something must have changed and that flagged the updater as me having an obsolete firmware. Anyone else getting this?
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What is your current firmware
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4.1.2 Baseband I317UCALK7 Build Number JZO54K.I317UCALK7
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4.1.2 Baseband I317UCALK7 Build Number JZO54K.I317UCALK7
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The latest is actually I317UCAMA4; the ALK7 is the one right before that
Thanks, I have TWRP installed so do I have to reinstall the stock recovery and then continue the update and whatnot?
Don't waste your time with the ATT update; just flash almost any custom ROM, and you will have all the benefits plus much more...
wase4711 said:
Don't waste your time with the ATT update; just flash almost any custom ROM, and you will have all the benefits plus much more...
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I agree, but if you want to upgrade, use cf auto root to reinstall stock recovery, use full unroot in super su, then run update
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Android The Greek said:
I agree, but if you want to upgrade, use cf auto root to reinstall stock recovery, use full unroot in super su, then run update
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I've tried this, but the update still fails. Could it be my modified system files from setting up Google wallet?
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bookem11 said:
I've tried this, but the update still fails. Could it be my modified system files from setting up Google wallet?
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Could be, I always keep a stock backup jsut incase. You can always dirty flash a stock rom and see if that works
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If you are going to stick with stock, you may want to use autoruns to disable the check for updates. That way at least the notification will go away.
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I agree, but if you want to upgrade, use cf auto root to reinstall stock recovery, use full unroot in super su, then run update
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I did all of the above. Update was downloaded successfully, Phone reboot itself and started installing update. And than "updated was interrupted" message popped out. I've tried it several times with the same result.
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
Once the firmware is installed, users will have the ability to offload their app installs to the SD card. That's especially important for 16GB device owners who were upset to find that they had just 9.15GB of usable space on the device's storage. Moving apps to the SD card can save some of the needed space. Samsung has also found a way to squeeze another 0.08GB of space on the device's drive, according to SamMobile, which was first to report on the news.
In addition to handling the storage issue, the software update for the Galaxy S4 includes a host of fixes and improvements, including the ability to record HDR video and a fix for the purple effect users were seeing when scrolling through pages.
Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57587984-94/samsung-launches-firmware-update-for-galaxy-s4/
I though this was for the international version only?
I believe the update is for German version of S4 only.
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Its more of a preview piece of what's to come over here in the USA. We have the same problems as the Germans.
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Danzoman316 said:
Its more of a preview piece of what's to come over here in the USA. We have the same problems as the Germans.
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ill have that update very soon
I read someone already flashed this to ATT version of the S4. I've spent all day trying to figure out if this is going to softbrick OUR phones. Part of the new kernal is reported to solve some of the distorted sound issues that happen with certin headphones.
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I read someone already flashed this to ATT version of the S4. I've spent all day trying to figure out if this is going to softbrick OUR phones. Part of the new kernal is reported to solve some of the distorted sound issues that happen with certin headphones.
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itll work only if using a tmobile kernel (im currently on an I9505 rom). That said you cant use an international kernel, so as far as the updated kernel, we will have to wait
Can't updated how can I fix this
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Can't updated how can I fix this
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This message appear because you root your device
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This message appear because you root your device
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Yes I was rooted but I flash the stock firmware whit odin and when I try to update didn't work I think there is something something to fix this but can't figure out please need help thanks guys
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Waiting on the update
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ferlogan said:
Yes I was rooted but I flash the stock firmware whit odin and when I try to update didn't work I think there is something something to fix this but can't figure out please need help thanks guys
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Here you go.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway
You must be rooted to use this. It's called Triangle Away by our very own Chainfire!
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Here is Chainfire's thread in the original development forums. It's about his new rooting method. Zip file via Odin and he also has a link to mention Triangle Away. Buy the full version it's well worth the $2!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2294005
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Hmm
I was rooted as well, used triangle away, then odin'd official stock tar, now my phone just says up to date when i try to update to May 7th's ota.
Shinydude100 said:
I was rooted as well, used triangle away, then odin'd official stock tar, now my phone just says up to date when i try to update to May 7th's ota.
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Maybe t mobile haven't send you the new update that's what I think but i think you can try Kies on your desktop to manually updated. . I have a question did you use this method to root your phone. Because if it works for you I will try this thanks and another question did you buy the app tryangle from the play store ? Sorry men im new on this
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Maybe t mobile haven't send you the new update that's what I think but i think you can try Kies on your desktop to manually updated. . I have a question did you use this method to root your phone. Because if it works for you I will try this thanks and another question did you buy the app tryangle from the play store ? Sorry men im new on this
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Nah, T-mobile DID send me the update, the very day i purchased my phone, like May 7th or 8th, I had the incremental update that i noticed changed my transparent notification bar to like charcoal black. I had noted the dates as April 26 before the update, and May 6-7 on the newer update.
It's just I decided to try CF Auto-Root, once i realized i just wanted things back to the way i had it, yes, I BOUGHT triangle away, ran the reset flash counter, saw my status on rom read custom, so i flashed the official stock tar by odin and now it says i'm on official.
Issue now is, although my counter is at 0, and the status says official, won't ota to may 7th. I will try Samsung Kies though.
Edit: Even Samsung Kies Reports i'm up to date, which, i suppose I am for the most part, but still not up to date with the incremental May 7th release.
Shinydude100 said:
I was rooted as well, used triangle away, then odin'd official stock tar, now my phone just says up to date when i try to update to May 7th's ota.
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Which official tar did you Odin? If it was the MDL build that is the may 7 update so that's why your phone would say up to date.
woops.
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Which official tar did you Odin? If it was the MDL build that is the may 7 update so that's why your phone would say up to date.
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Oh wow, really? Yeah.. it's the MDL update.. gosh, how could i have made that mistake..
(just for reference to everyone else, i mean i odin'd this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2258628
where it says "Download UVUAMDL Official TAR" )
See what I was looking at thinking I was behind was the kernel version..
I got so used to seeing the kernel get updated whenever a new update rolls out on my old phone that I had no idea the may 7th update didn't bring a newer kernel.
Yes. I have MDL on baseband/modem and on the build number. Thing that was throwing me off was paying attention to the kernel version as Friday, April 26, also, i could of sworn the homescreen status bar isn't supposed to be transparent, but mine is, looking back at how it wasn't transparent before last time i was on the may 7th build, now that it's transparent on some things, i just got really confused. might of been the old background i had before, seeing to it that it's clear on homescreen now, and charcoal black when i open settings.
What I did to get an I9505 Odin build on my M919 was just flash the firmware, wait for it to fail at modem, then odin flash the UVUAMDL modem. Reboot and everything is perfect (except the Samsung Knox modified notification, of course).
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Oh wow, really? Yeah.. it's the MDL update.. gosh, how could i have made that mistake..
(just for reference to everyone else, i mean i odin'd this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2258628
where it says "Download UVUAMDL Official TAR" )
See what I was looking at thinking I was behind was the kernel version..
I got so used to seeing the kernel get updated whenever a new update rolls out on my old phone that I had no idea the may 7th update didn't bring a newer kernel.
Yes. I have MDL on baseband/modem and on the build number. Thing that was throwing me off was paying attention to the kernel version as Friday, April 26, also, i could of sworn the homescreen status bar isn't supposed to be transparent, but mine is, looking back at how it wasn't transparent before last time i was on the may 7th build, now that it's transparent on some things, i just got really confused. might of been the old background i had before, seeing to it that it's clear on homescreen now, and charcoal black when i open settings.
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I have UVUAMDL stock firmware
If I root my device then use tryangle I will be able to update to the newest update from the phone because now I can't I have this
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ferlogan said:
I have UVUAMDL stock firmware
If I root my device then use tryangle I will be able to update to the newest update from the phone because now I can't I have this
Edit..nevermind I just double checked that pic you posted
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ferlogan said:
I have UVUAMDL stock firmware
If I root my device then use tryangle I will be able to update to the newest update from the phone because now I can't I have this
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Did you get that image ota? We are in the same state and I still haven't.
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hi
i have my s3 on 4.1.1 and it's rooted
i wanted to know if i can update it to 4.1.2 through kies or do i have to unroot it first??
and if i update will the root stay? if not where can i find instructions on how to do so
-really new to this stuff so sorry for stupid question
I updated my rooted 4.1.1. To 4.1.2. Through kies with no problem. And yes you will lose root. But just re root it after.
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fireboy987 said:
hi
i have my s3 on 4.1.1 and it's rooted
i wanted to know if i can update it to 4.1.2 through kies or do i have to unroot it first??
and if i update will the root stay? if not where can i find instructions on how to do so
-really new to this stuff so sorry for stupid question
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There is already a stock 4.1.2 rooted update.zip file available to update with.
i have same issue,however kies indicates 4.1.1 is up-to-date.
any suggestions for kies issue?
Right now 4.1.1 is up to date I called att they said they found a bug in the internal software so they stopped pushing the update out but it'll be back soon.
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jmatt78 said:
Right now 4.1.1 is up to date I called att they said they found a bug in the internal software so they stopped pushing the update out but it'll be back soon.
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Of course. And after promising the update after advertising it they halt it. And they put out no official posting of this that I could find. Or the person you talked to is full of it because they don't know why you have not got it and don't want to bother or don't know how to figure it out. The last is the most likely.
Now of it is true about the bug I wonder if they will push the bug free version out to everyone again.
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I still show that an update is available.... Holding off on downloading.
Questions and help issues go in Q&A and Help section
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when i connected my s3 to kies it says my 4.1.1 is the latest firmware
so did att stop rolling out the update?
You updated via Kies? I believe AT&T is only updating OTA, not through Kies.
Also, I was pure stock, but rooted. The update failed. It left my phone half updated and I couldn't get it to update, even after unrooting. This appears to be what happened to most rooted 4.1.1 phones on AT&T.
I had to flash back to stock via Kies in order for the update to work.
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richb500 said:
You updated via Kies? I believe AT&T is only updating OTA, not through Kies.
Also, I was pure stock, but rooted. The update failed. It left my phone half updated and I couldn't get it to update, even after unrooting. This appears to be what happened to most rooted 4.1.1 phones on AT&T.
I had to flash back to stock via Kies in order for the update to work.
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i'm not with AT&T. my phone is unlocked and i'm using it with another carrier
vanisleryan said:
I updated my rooted 4.1.1. To 4.1.2. Through kies with no problem. And yes you will lose root. But just re root it after.
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I was on 4.1.1 rooted and updated to 4.1.2 via OTA. What method did you use to re-root your phone?
Oh I'm sorry. Since this is an AT&T forum I just assumed.
I'm sure in a worse case scenario you can just flash it back to stock. I choose to use Kies because then I didn't have to download the correct firmware like you do with Odin.
The flash counter still says 1, but the Device Status did reset to Normal. Of course I lost root.
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Rooting for 4.1.2
I'd love to know a proper way to root without tripping the counter on 4.1.2. I rooted the other day and now it wont let me turn on my wifi. Good thing the phone was only a month old lol, new phone is already on the way from AT&T. Any help is greatly appreciated as I have searched and googled already.
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I was on 4.1.1 rooted and updated to 4.1.2 via OTA. What method did you use to re-root your phone?
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PS4AndroidHacker said:
I'd love to know a proper way to root without tripping the counter on 4.1.2. I rooted the other day and now it wont let me turn on my wifi. Good thing the phone was only a month old lol, new phone is already on the way from AT&T. Any help is greatly appreciated as I have searched and googled already.
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I don't think rooting enables tripping the counter. From what I understand, Tripping flash counter occurs when you flash a custom recovery on jellybean. Best method is to just reset the flash counter when you are going to unroot your phone by using the TriangleAway app: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1494114
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I'd love to know a proper way to root without tripping the counter on 4.1.2. I rooted the other day and now it wont let me turn on my wifi. Good thing the phone was only a month old lol, new phone is already on the way from AT&T. Any help is greatly appreciated as I have searched and googled already.
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I used mrRobinson's method... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426. You have to use TriangleAway to reset counter.
Hello,
I have always thought that OTA update would fail with a custom recovery. However after reading about another user's experience I decided to try it. This person stated that when they did the update CWM warned them that it would be replaced and asked if they wanted to fix it. It also warned that they would lose root and asked if they wanted to fix it. Sound familiar to anyone?
I did download the update but when I tried to install it failed. Now AT&T says my software is up to date, which is not true.
I am still on 4.1.2, rooted, CWM installed. Best way to upgrade now? I can't even find the OTA upgrade file that I downloaded.
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Hello,
I have always thought that OTA update would fail with a custom recovery. However after reading about another user's experience I decided to try it. This person stated that when they did the update CWM warned them that it would be replaced and asked if they wanted to fix it. It also warned that they would lose root and asked if they wanted to fix it. Sound familiar to anyone?
I did download the update but when I tried to install it failed. Now AT&T says my software is up to date, which is not true.
I am still on 4.1.2, rooted, CWM installed. Best way to upgrade now? I can't even find the OTA upgrade file that I downloaded.
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From my experience with 3 i747m phones, rooted systems well not take an ota update.
Yup, you cannot get the ota if rooted, or with a custom recovery. You need to be full stock. Best way is a fresh firmware flash and factory reset.
I don't have to install OTA, I just wanted to update to the latest official AT&T version. Is there a flashable available that will work coming from 4.1.2?
By the way I used triangle away, downloaded update again, thought it was going to work but the update crashed
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The latest firmware that's available is the 4.3 build. Havent been able to make a working one for 4.4.2 yet. But you can update using that firmware then use one of the threads in this section to update to kk.
Ok confused. Not sure how to install 4.3. Have read about bootloaders and modems needed before flashing. Guess I will have to keep reading. How to gy from 4.1.2 rooted, CWM, to the latest official which now I think is 4.3?
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You can either follow the OP through step 4, or flash the firmware from this thread using Odin. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2722660
After that you can follow the remaining steps in this OP, or try to get the official ota to update to 4.4.2.
Since you do not have the 4.3 bootloader, you could start fresh by installing stock 4.1.1 from sammobile.com using Odin and then just keep running OTA until you get to 4.4.2. Remember, using Odin will wipe everything on the phone so make sure you backup your important data.
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Since you do not have the 4.3 bootloader, you could start fresh by installing stock 4.1.1 from sammobile.com using Odin and then just keep running OTA until you get to 4.4.2. Remember, using Odin will wipe everything on the phone so make sure you backup your important data.
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Everytime I try to download something from Sammobile.com my AVG pops up a warning. Is this normal? I haven't yet made it through all of their stalls, installs, etc. to get to downloading the actually firmware.
Used to love AVG. But I think theyve gone downhill and this is a perfect example. Its a false positive. (Unless your browsers been hijacked or youre clicking on a bad/fake link).
Ive been using sammobile for years and never had a single problem.
I have been using sammobile for quite some time.
The site is legit. Maybe avg is causing the problem. I can download with no problem.
Not trying to be annoying, as I said haven't done any of this for a while but.....could I not flash a stock recovery, use triangle away, unroot, and then get the ota to work?
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rblancrt said:
Not trying to be annoying, as I said haven't done any of this for a while but.....could I not flash a stock recovery, use triangle away, unroot, and then get the ota to work?
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You could try that but there is no guarantee that it'll take the OTA update after going through the procedure you described.
If you removed too many Samsung Apps, that may cause the OTA update to fail as well.
Don't think I removed any Samsung or ATT apps I just had them disabled. Since I tried to run the update though they have all resurrected themselves. I have never flashed a stock recovery or unrooted before though
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Don't think I removed any Samsung or ATT apps I just had them disabled. Since I tried to run the update though they have all resurrected themselves. I have never flashed a stock recovery or unrooted before though
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All I can say is try it and see what happens. If it doesn't work, the simplest would be to restore to completely stock and start the OTA update process.
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Since you do not have the 4.3 bootloader, you could start fresh by installing stock 4.1.1 from sammobile.com using Odin and then just keep running OTA until you get to 4.4.2. Remember, using Odin will wipe everything on the phone so make sure you backup your important data.
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I guess I can't read, but so far I have been unable to download the 4.1.1 from sammobile. I have gotten some media player, etc. which I don't know whether is still on my computer or not, but have not gotten to the download of the actual software.
Do I have to agree to everything that they try to get me to install?
You are probably hitting one of the ads that put up fake download buttons. Just a guess though.
It seems that registering helps
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