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AT&T's Pantech Discover P 9090

AT&T's Pantech Discover combines a 4.8-inch 720p HD display with a 12.6-megapixel camera on a 4G LTE, Android handset.
The smartphone also features a 1.5GHz dual-core Qualcomm MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 Pro processor; NFC, or near-field communication, protocol; and crams in a removable 2,100mAH battery Im buy 2 of this last saturday i'm love it but i cant find any accesories
Overall is aosome phone i hope some one sart work on this phone. :good::good::good::good::good:

So you like the phone? Does it have a lot of bloatware? I am thinking of purchasing one of these for myself, the 12MP camera looks promising. I never owned a Pantech before. Only Samsung, Motorola and recently HTC.
There's cases on Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...p9090,aps,178&rh=n:2335752011,k:pantech+p9090

So I got it!!!
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So although the camera is 12mp I'm not that impressed with the quality of the photos
The pink hat pic was with my amaze the other one is with the pantech
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rachelm920 said:
So although the camera is 12mp I'm not that impressed with the quality of the photos
The pink hat pic was with my amaze the other one is with the pantech
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Try turning off flash?
I find that the flash on my Galaxy Note overwhelms on most close-ups.

rachelm920 said:
So although the camera is 12mp I'm not that impressed with the quality of the photos
The pink hat pic was with my amaze the other one is with the pantech
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Tell me about it turn that flash off lol
cushcalc said:
Try turning off flash?
I find that the flash on my Galaxy Note overwhelms on most close-ups.
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Pantech Discover
I've had the Pantech Discover for about a week now and I have to say, I love this phone! Its beyond fast! Ive included a screenshot of my results from Quandrant Standard and as you can see, nothin touches this phone. The only draw back is there aren't enough developers that own this phone yet so mods will take a while before we will see anything like custom ROMS. I was able to root it, but there arent any versions of CWM Recovery that work yet either, but I dont think it will take long. If anyone is considering getting this device, I would HIGHLY recommend it.

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nelson1030 said:
AT&T's Pantech Discover combines a 4.8-inch 720p HD display with a 12.6-megapixel camera on a 4G LTE, Android handset.
The smartphone also features a 1.5GHz dual-core Qualcomm MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 Pro processor; NFC, or near-field communication, protocol; and crams in a removable 2,100mAH battery Im buy 2 of this last saturday i'm love it but i cant find any accesories
Overall is aosome phone i hope some one sart work on this phone. :good::good::good::good::good:
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How do you unlock this Cell Phone so i can use it on T-Mobile. Thanks

Great Phone, so-so camera!
rachelm920 said:
So you like the phone? Does it have a lot of bloatware? I am thinking of purchasing one of these for myself, the 12MP camera looks promising. I never owned a Pantech before. Only Samsung, Motorola and recently HTC.
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I received this phone as an insurance replacement for my squashed LG "Thrill", and I am so glad I did!
I had been avoiding the Pantech brand because I had never heard of them, assuming the brand to be inferior, but so far I have been wrong on all counts.
The big screen is a relief to my 50+ eyes, and the touch surface is oddly "slick" (oleo-phobic?), refusing to accept fingerprints as easily as any of the others I have used. The phone has a very solid metal frame, and a nice rubberized back cover which snaps firmly in place, yet peels away easily enough to allow access to the SIM, SD card, and battery. Although the build quality is above average, I would be careful with the screen surface which is scratch-resistant and tough-enough plastic (hopefully LEXAN), but certainly not "Gorilla Glass". A screen protector would be welcome insurance against scratches.
IMHO, the screen resolution is spectacular, the audio quality from the built-in speakers is far above average, and the performance is as smooth and quick as I have ever experienced with any phone, including my iPhone 5.
The camera is decent, and I am still experimenting with it, but so far it is no where near as good as the iPhone's since it seems to require a lot of manual "tweaking" to get just the right shot, particularly indoors.
Outdoor shots are nicely saturated, providing very good dynamic range, which is even better when shots are taken in "HDR" mode in bright sunlight, comparing well with those taken with the iPhone.
It performs fairly well in low-light conditions, producing noticeable graininess as the scene becomes darker, but the powerful flash LED will easily wash-out subjects closer than ten feet away, and you can forget about macro shots in very low light, which is no problem for the iPhone camera. Also while shooting indoors, its automatic white-balance doesn't compensate well at times, requiring manual setting for indoor lighting to get the best color. I have not tested the white-balance while shooting outside yet.
The video camera is something else altogether. At full "1080" resolution, it captures surprisingly good video with no stutter or dropped frames, and in low light the incredibly bright flash LED produces amazingly well-lit images. There is a noticeable amount of "flagging" while capturing fast-moving objects in lower light, but this becomes less noticeable in good light, and almost disappears outdoors.
I have not yet tested the GPS except for basic location, but so far the WiFi, and Bluetooth performance have surpassed my expectations. Best of all, the battery life has been as good, if not better, than the iPhone, even with the GPS/WiFi/Bluetooth radios enabled.
In general, the build quality is exceptional as well, but I reserve judgement on the longevity of the plastic screen surface.
All of my impressions so far have been "seat of the pants", so to speak, and are strictly based on my impression of this device as compared with the few others I have had, and despite the lackluster camera, all in all, this device is quickly becoming my favorite!

I also am loving this phone (coming from a Sensation 4G). Despite the lack of support, I have been able to root and unlock. Now the wait for CWM and the eventual Roms...
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Flex
Would it be possible to use some of the files from the pantech flex in order to get closer to getting CWM on the Discover?

Hmm
I'm thinking about getting this phone.

How Do I Calibrate My Pantech p9090
Suddenly I'm not able to touch the 3 command keys on the screen of my pantech rest of the screen is working fine. Please tell me how to calibrate on pantech p9090. I tried rebooting and reseating but nothing helped.

Ashendust said:
Suddenly I'm not able to touch the 3 command keys on the screen of my pantech rest of the screen is working fine. Please tell me how to calibrate on pantech p9090. I tried rebooting and reseating but nothing helped.
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probably your digitizer, that's where mine started and now it's touching itself lol, i need a new screen

good information
thanks

Note 2 owners... Convince me

I'm between the s3 and note 2. Help persuade me.
I like that the note 2 is bigger, I will be happy to read my books on it (instead of, or in conjunction with, my nexus 7)..
Battery life.
Ram.
But what else.
How's the camera compare.
Is it too big?
What don't people like.

it's a bit bigger which can be a downside for some people, but other than that everything is exactly the same or better.
the cpu is an overclocked version of the one in the international s3
the camera is the same.
the battery holds 50% more, plenty to compensate for the bigger screen and adding a bit more usage time.
RAM is the same as the US s3, and twice as much as the international model.
the screen is the same resolution, but because of the better subpixel layout the note 2 has a sharper looking screen.
the size is an issue for some, but if you often use your phone as a computer/tablet the convenience of a large screen outweighs the inconvenience of a large device.

Dual core (S3) vs Quad Core (N2)
S Pen functions
3100 milli amp battery
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jewnersey said:
I'm between the s3 and note 2. Help persuade me.
I like that the note 2 is bigger, I will be happy to read my books on it (instead of, or in conjunction with, my nexus 7)..
Battery life.
Ram.
But what else.
How's the camera compare.
Is it too big?
What don't people like.
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More screen, more battery, less plastic
The best HD Super AMOLED yet
Quad-core plus LTE
Perfect balance between a small tablet and large phone
Spen
Bigger ... and better?
The PDA strikes back
Performance
Camera
Software
Battery life
List goes on and on and on ................

Went to Verizon and played with both. Definitely leaning towards the N2.
What do you usually use the spen for? Feel like I would never pop it out?
I might be getting an n2 for 300-350 (used) ... But that's a steal right.

I use the stylus mostly for browsing and typing, and sometimes for notes(S note app) and drawing(colors!, and Photoshop touch)
browsing works better because small links are easier to click, scrolling works with smaller motions, and mouse-over events are handled correctly.
rather than typing, I use Swype which works very comfortably with the S-pen.
the included keyboard app also has swype-input(swiftkey flow actually) as well as a very accurate handwriting option, but I prefer swype.
several drawing apps have support for the S-pen, so they can respond to the button and can adjust the brush sizes or opacity based on pressure.
some puzzle/casual games can be very comfortable to play with a stylus, I play mahjong solitaire, Klondike solitaire, hextacy, sudoku, and collapse with the stylus.
some different game genres also work well with the stylus.
final fantasy III for example, or the music game osu!droid.
when I got the note 2 I already knew I was going to use the stylus for drawing, games, and browsing, but I never considered using any note-taking apps until I got a chance to use the S-pen with S note.

Why I think the Note 2 is worth getting instead of the S3:
1. Bigger Screen and despite the lower pixel density its not much noticeable.
2. Much Better battery performance (a very big factor)
3. Double the RAM meaning better suitable for future ROM upgrades.
4. Faster CPU although not by much.
5. Spen- very handy for some creativity work.
6. Better and louder sound on the external speaker
7. Housing and Display are easier to replace compared to S3.
8. More premium feel
9. @ Point 1- Larger screen+ lower DPI= easily replaces a tablet and suitable for ported Tablet ROMs.
10. Its the latest in phablet models compared to the S3 that has already been outdated by the S4.
Need I say more?
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bushako: I find the difference very noticeable.
from a distance of 30-50cm I can already see a pattern like a chain-link fence on the S3(or any pentile screen) but on a Note 2 I can't see it's grid pattern beyond 5-10cm.
so I'd say the note 2 has a better screen, even without counting the bigger size.

Simply the Note 2 has more performance because of his RAM and CPU. It also have more battery capacity and the S Pen is a great feature to use. Because of that I use it in school and I great because the big screen make it easier to write. Another thing is the screen, it has a great resolution so videos and images look great. Web navigation is also easier with the big screen and with some mods you can use the multiwindow feature with all apps.
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Well I'm sold. The size is my only concern, but everywhere I look, nobody complains, so it cannot be that bad.

jewnersey said:
Well I'm sold. The size is my only concern, but everywhere I look, nobody complains, so it cannot be that bad.
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You will get used to, when I carry my Note 2 around many people say how I can use such a big phone but surprisingly you'll like it after you use it, and I can say that now anything smaller than the note seems small to me
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thedicemaster said:
bushako: I find the difference very noticeable.
from a distance of 30-50cm I can already see a pattern like a chain-link fence on the S3(or any pentile screen) but on a Note 2 I can't see it's grid pattern beyond 5-10cm.
so I'd say the note 2 has a better screen, even without counting the bigger size.
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Yea but I find that noticeable only if I focus hard enough and up close on the pixels otherwise the S3 has a fairly descent display. That is not to say the Note 2 isnt, in fact i find it just as good. My main problem with the low pixel density of the Note 2 is when lowering the DPI anywhere lower than 240, its when the icons start showing rough edges. Other than that, I'm quite happy with the both I think that although you don't see the grid patterns on the Note 2, it does come at the expense of slightly reduced clarity.
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[Q] Should I buy the ZL?

I'm really torn.
I currently have the HTC One S and really love the form factor and build.
The issues that really make me want to upgrade include: No expandable memory or removable battery, smallish screen, mediocre screen res and pentile (although it is bright and has good coloration), outdated resources - especially the 1 GB Ram, and useless notification light.
The other piece of info is that I am using Simple Mobile.
The ZL seems to take care of all of the above (except the battery), but does it do it by enough to justify a full price purchase?
1) While it can take an sd card, (I think) it is is limited to 32GB and has only 16 GB built in. The HTC One Dev Ed has 64 GB (best) and the S4 has 16 or 32 and can take a 64.
2) While the ZL has a 5" 1080p, it loses some real estate from the onscreen buttons and the washout at angles (I saw it firsthand at the Sony Store), while the One & S4 seem to have amazing screens (each in their own way - super lcd vs amoled)
3) In the resource department, the 600 or Octa don't seem to be significant upgrades to the S4 Pro and all 3 blow away the One s. (Antutu: One S = 10,644, ZL = 20,743. The One & S4 are 2-4k higher).
4) Notification Light - ZL by far.
And yet, it just seems like Sony did a lot of things mediocre on the ZL (by current flagship standards).
The screen already mentioned.
Battery Life.
The reviews are hard on the ZL's camera also. One interesting negative I came across is that it only takes 1 mp stills during video.
I'm not crazy about the onscreen buttons. Are there mods to make more use of them i.e. NavBar/NavRings? Has anyone tried using an app like Swipe Pad with them?
Can the toggles in the Notification Panel be removed? I'd rather use something like Elixir or Widgetzoid.
What I really like:
The price! I'm seeing the 6502 as low $515 no tax and 6506 $540, while the S4 or One would be more like $700 or more after tax.
The Power Button placement and the physical camera button (the One's placement on top is really unacceptable).
Lack of Carrier bloatware and yet fully compatible with both AT&T and T-Mobile.
The sound and screen enhancements and tweakability (Bravia, White Balance, xLoud, etc.)
And some more questions:
How is the rear speaker for music and in calls compared to the S4? The Note 2? By it's placement and the way the camera comes out a little it looks like it might have the "N8 effect" on a hard surface.
How is call quality on T-mobile?
Will the camera work better/differently on CM or in stock using something like Camera Zoom fx?
Thanks a lot in advance. I've spent many hours doing research, saw all the phones in person at the stores, etc. but it's such a large purchase so I'd really appreciate the feedback!

ymmp said:
I'm really torn.
I currently have the HTC One S and really love the form factor and build.
The issues that really make me want to upgrade include: No expandable memory or removable battery, smallish screen, mediocre screen res and pentile (although it is bright and has good coloration), outdated resources - especially the 1 GB Ram, and useless notification light.
The other piece of info is that I am using Simple Mobile.
The ZL seems to take care of all of the above (except the battery), but does it do it by enough to justify a full price purchase?
1) While it can take an sd card, (I think) it is is limited to 32GB and has only 16 GB built in. The HTC One Dev Ed has 64 GB (best) and the S4 has 16 or 32 and can take a 64.
2) While the ZL has a 5" 1080p, it loses some real estate from the onscreen buttons and the washout at angles (I saw it firsthand at the Sony Store), while the One & S4 seem to have amazing screens (each in their own way - super lcd vs amoled)
3) In the resource department, the 600 or Octa don't seem to be significant upgrades to the S4 Pro and all 3 blow away the One s. (Antutu: One S = 10,644, ZL = 20,743. The One & S4 are 2-4k higher).
4) Notification Light - ZL by far.
And yet, it just seems like Sony did a lot of things mediocre on the ZL (by current flagship standards).
The screen already mentioned.
Battery Life.
The reviews are hard on the ZL's camera also. One interesting negative I came across is that it only takes 1 mp stills during video.
I'm not crazy about the onscreen buttons. Are there mods to make more use of them i.e. NavBar/NavRings? Has anyone tried using an app like Swipe Pad with them?
Can the toggles in the Notification Panel be removed? I'd rather use something like Elixir or Widgetzoid.
What I really like:
The price! I'm seeing the 6502 as low $515 no tax and 6506 $540, while the S4 or One would be more like $700 or more after tax.
The Power Button placement and the physical camera button (the One's placement on top is really unacceptable).
Lack of Carrier bloatware and yet fully compatible with both AT&T and T-Mobile.
The sound and screen enhancements and tweakability (Bravia, White Balance, xLoud, etc.)
And some more questions:
How is the rear speaker for music and in calls compared to the S4? The Note 2? By it's placement and the way the camera comes out a little it looks like it might have the "N8 effect" on a hard surface.
How is call quality on T-mobile?
Will the camera work better/differently on CM or in stock using something like Camera Zoom fx?
Thanks a lot in advance. I've spent many hours doing research, saw all the phones in person at the stores, etc. but it's such a large purchase so I'd really appreciate the feedback!
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I have the ZL and am using a 64GB SD card with no problems being recognized. Also I've had an iphone 5, htc one for a week and the ZL's battery is better, way better than the htc one and a little better than the iphone 5. Actually really impressed with battery life for a 5" screen that is 1080P. As far as the screen being washed out at an angle that's true but useless criticism as far as i'm concerned. The only time I can see it washed out is when it is at an angle i would NEVER use it. Looking right at the screen for normal use it's as good as any phone out there, HTC one included. As far as the onscreen buttons, I wouldn't have it any other way, its the way android was designed anyway. When I had the htc one for a week the buttons on there just sucked (and why they went from 3 to 2 buttons i have no idea, stupid decision). It takes 2-4 presses usually to get them to work, not that way with the onscreen buttons. I have no regrets on getting this phone.

All I can say, coming from a droid 3:
- The screen is awesome.. personally the viewing angles dont bother me at all since I use it from front angle
- Yes the screen uses a lot of power, but it also did on my droid 3 and that screen sucked major ass. Also, the idle time is the best I've seen on any recent smartphone. With wifi I can stay a fixed percentage for 2 hours easy. When you use it it will drop reasonably fast but it's OK because you still have 95% when you start watching a movie I always can go through 1 day.
- It's super fast. 2GB is awesome
- The camera is supposedly getting better with every update

DoubleYouPee said:
All I can say, coming from a droid 3:
- The screen is awesome.. personally the viewing angles dont bother me at all since I use it from front angle
- Yes the screen uses a lot of power, but it also did on my droid 3 and that screen sucked major ass. Also, the idle time is the best I've seen on any recent smartphone. With wifi I can stay a fixed percentage for 2 hours easy. When you use it it will drop reasonably fast but it's OK because you still have 95% when you start watching a movie I always can go through 1 day.
- It's super fast. 2GB is awesome
- The camera is supposedly getting better with every update
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The thing I like, I have a Galaxy S2-i9100 and use it with a otterbox case, the ZL with a simple clear case is as 'small' as my S2 in the otterbox.
and it feels real solid. I still have to hack it. but all in all it seems to be a very good phone...
Make sure you switch on the Stamina mode for the battery...
Video on this is crystal clear... have not toyed with the camera...
I hope Sony comes with AOSP for the ZL...
Ans 64GB SD should work... on most devices... folks prefer to format it exFAT which may not be supported on some custom roms but factory images definitely support it.
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Note 3 Vs the Note 4 - Design, Features and Speed Test

Covered Design, Features, What was removed as well as added and a Speed Test. Is it worth the jump from the Note 3 to the Note 4?
After using the Note 3 as my main device for a year then getting the Note 4, I like to say that there is a difference and it feels refreshed. With the 1440p Display, New Touch Wiz Ui, and a few new features. Now I did notice that there are somethings missing from the Note 4 that the Note 3 had. There are also something that have been moved and changed, like the Pen Window feature is now used with the Multi-Window feature on the Note 4. Spec wise there is not a massive push but its still a beast of a phone. Watch the Full comparison below and let me know what you think. Is it worth the jump from the Note 3 to the Note 4?

Surprisingly no mention of 2x2 MIMO capability on the WiFi, which I don't recall the note 3 having, but admittedly I do not know for sure as I came from an SIII and have never actually owned the note 3.
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My thoughts on this are
Note 3 - Good: size, speed until the end lol. battery life was good too
- Bad: poor wifi (random drops, very weak signal) LTE would just vanish, very poor camera lag would always miss "the shot", drop calls all the time,
Note 4 - REALY great wifi signal all over the house, no random drops, lte is always avail now! yay! AWESOME camera! never miss a shot!
Silly fake metal sides, tho they do look good, I don't want to put a case on it that will hide that. I really like the multi sensor by the flash, (Pulse/ox/uv) finger print scanner is a little tricky still one of those gimmicks i think.
There is one thing that has really made me upset about moving to the new note 4, I used to use my note 3 as a GPS with Waze, and run xiia to listen to internet radio while driving to work. I was able to do this using my IBolt ProDock. and run the audio out one cable connected to the usb port. I can no longer do this I have to have an extra cable connected to the head phone jack to get the audio out which clutters up the dash.
Thanks sammy for fugging that part up.

raiu said:
My thoughts on this are
Note 3 - Good: size, speed until the end lol. battery life was good too
- Bad: poor wifi (random drops, very weak signal) LTE would just vanish, very poor camera lag would always miss "the shot", drop calls all the time,
Note 4 - REALY great wifi signal all over the house, no random drops, lte is always avail now! yay! AWESOME camera! never miss a shot!
Silly fake metal sides, tho they do look good, I don't want to put a case on it that will hide that. I really like the multi sensor by the flash, (Pulse/ox/uv) finger print scanner is a little tricky still one of those gimmicks i think.
There is one thing that has really made me upset about moving to the new note 4, I used to use my note 3 as a GPS with Waze, and run xiia to listen to internet radio while driving to work. I was able to do this using my IBolt ProDock. and run the audio out one cable connected to the usb port. I can no longer do this I have to have an extra cable connected to the head phone jack to get the audio out which clutters up the dash.
Thanks sammy for fugging that part up.
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The note 4 has a real metal band which i feel is a nice touch to the phone. everything else is spot on.

raiu said:
My thoughts on this are
Note 3 - Good: size, speed until the end lol. battery life was good too
- Bad: poor wifi (random drops, very weak signal) LTE would just vanish, very poor camera lag would always miss "the shot", drop calls all the time,
Note 4 - REALY great wifi signal all over the house, no random drops, lte is always avail now! yay! AWESOME camera! never miss a shot!
Silly fake metal sides, tho they do look good, I don't want to put a case on it that will hide that. I really like the multi sensor by the flash, (Pulse/ox/uv) finger print scanner is a little tricky still one of those gimmicks i think.
There is one thing that has really made me upset about moving to the new note 4, I used to use my note 3 as a GPS with Waze, and run xiia to listen to internet radio while driving to work. I was able to do this using my IBolt ProDock. and run the audio out one cable connected to the usb port. I can no longer do this I have to have an extra cable connected to the head phone jack to get the audio out which clutters up the dash.
Thanks sammy for fugging that part up.
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Yeah, fake metal sides on Note 3, real metal on Note 4, brutha.

It would have been lovely with a tegra 4 or K1.

raiu said:
My thoughts on this are
Note 3 - Good: size, speed until the end lol. battery life was good too
- Bad: poor wifi (random drops, very weak signal) LTE would just vanish, very poor camera lag would always miss "the shot", drop calls all the time,
Note 4 - REALY great wifi signal all over the house, no random drops, lte is always avail now! yay! AWESOME camera! never miss a shot!
Silly fake metal sides, tho they do look good, I don't want to put a case on it that will hide that. I really like the multi sensor by the flash, (Pulse/ox/uv) finger print scanner is a little tricky still one of those gimmicks i think.
There is one thing that has really made me upset about moving to the new note 4, I used to use my note 3 as a GPS with Waze, and run xiia to listen to internet radio while driving to work. I was able to do this using my IBolt ProDock. and run the audio out one cable connected to the usb port. I can no longer do this I have to have an extra cable connected to the head phone jack to get the audio out which clutters up the dash.
Thanks sammy for fugging that part up.
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Note 4 uses real metal what are you talking about bruh

Pull the pen out guys, it's white plastic. It looks nice but it's just a plastic. :good:
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Maybe even graphite.

raiu said:
Pull the pen out guys, it's white plastic. It looks nice but it's just a plastic. :good:
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Maybe even graphite.
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It's not a metal chassis but it is a thin metal band. Samsung sticks with a majority of polycarbonate for a reason, it's stronger and better for phones. It has give that metal does not have. Samsung did a great combination here to give the phone a feeling people so ignorantly want. The grade of plastic they use is not cheap and is truly premium but the average consumer unfortunately doesn't know any better :/
Just look at how other phones show wear and tear after just a few short months because of an all metal body. My galaxy s4 though still looks almost brand new out of the box a year and a half later. That in itself proves the worthiness of polycarbonate. Samsung KNOWS what they are doing.

Again you clearly didn't look. It's white plastic where the supposed "metal band" is.
If you take a close look at it it's painted plastic. If it is metal then it's super thin.

raiu said:
Again you clearly didn't look. It's white plastic where the supposed "metal band" is.
If you take a close look at it it's painted plastic. If it is metal then it's super thin.
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its metal, just how much of it is though. Its plastic but there is metal there unlike the note 3.

raiu said:
Again you clearly didn't look. It's white plastic where the supposed "metal band" is.
If you take a close look at it it's painted plastic. If it is metal then it's super thin.
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Looking right now, I see metal on top of plastic, just like advertised, don't know what you're looking at.

raiu said:
Again you clearly didn't look. It's white plastic where the supposed "metal band" is.
If you take a close look at it it's painted plastic. If it is metal then it's super thin.
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I like what Samsung has done to put the thin metal band around to give it a premium look & feel, while keeping the phone weight low by using durable plastic chassis and a cover that allows battery and memory card slot access. Bravo! Aluminum material is over-rated. GN4 is much much stronger and more durable than the unreasonably expensive iPhone 6 Plus by a large margin.

Dont get me wrong. I like the device. Just wish native support for audio out of the usb was there. I have a usb audi interface coming on monday to find out if that will work.

With how many high end Android devices are available, it always boggles my mind about constant complaining when someone gets a new device. Am I alone here?

WizeGuyDezignz said:
With how many high end Android devices are available, it always boggles my mind about constant complaining when someone gets a new device. Am I alone here?
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I just spent eight hours setting up my Note 4 the way my Note 3 was set up. I have 150 apps so it's a pain in the ass including signing in to them all and initializing them. Add to that every time you connect a Gear to a new device it blows away its configuration so it needs to be completely rebuilt too.
Some observations:
So the former menu button was supposed to be Android blasphemy. So now instead of having one hard key to universally access menus across the device you get to play "find the settings" across apps and the UI. After just going through setting up 100+ apps it's amazing how many different places menus can be placed, how many different settings indicator icons devs can unleash, how different the contents are, and how little app developers really care about UX. Google's UI flexibility sucks if what I described can exist and making it all "flatter" in 5.0 ain't going to help. Samsung had it right in the first place.
This is a nifty new tool that offers a soft key replacement for the old hard key menu button. Now that phablets are gaining in popularity you'd think app devs would realize it's a 6" stretch to reach the upper left of the display. It's impossible one handed. Samsung's still got some cleverness left in them.
There's a huge performance difference between the 3<>4. Everything's more fluid, installing apps is about three times as fast, scrolling is lag free, apps open faster, and in-app performance is faster (EG: all aspects of stock browser performance). And whether it's s/w optimization or brute force power via S-805 it's all very noticeable.
The Note 4 is fantastic battery wise. It charges unbelievably fast; even using a standard charger. It's blazingly fast with the high output charger. It also sips battery compared to the N3. As an example I was configuring my Note 4 using SideSync via my N10.1-14. The Note 4 actually went from 65% to 100% while on my battery booster while it was active for three hours. You could watch the Note 3's battery drop under the same circumstances. I have a ton of apps and syncs running in the background so I'm an extreme use case. I'd guess for my usage the Note 4's at least 25% better on battery use than my Note 3 configured exactly the same way.
I abhor change for change sake. That's what Samsung did with a lot of their stock apps and UI elements. All the photo-related apps for example. They do exactly the same things their predecessors did but everything's been rearranged for no particular reason. Stuffs been stripped out too. Driving mode which read messages aloud when the phone was in the car is gone. So is cloud and FTP integration in My Files. There's a lot of head scratching feature changes (adds and deletes) along with some questionable usability choices.
For those with a Gear all the wonkiness with Gear Manager is finally gone. The Note 4 and Gear play very well together. But the Note 4's device ID is screwed up in the Gear App Store so some app that I had no longer show available. That can be fixed. The wretched way the Gear and Note 3 worked together was beyond repair.
Wireless performance is exceptional and noticeably faster than the Note 3 both on Wi-Fi and LTE. I have a high-end AC router and downloads are jaw dropping fast. My Note 3 had no GPS issues and I know some folks did. In my case, GPS is about a tie or maybe even a bit better on the Note 3. The Note 4's fine but it takes it a while to lock and if it's moved to the background and back it gets lost until it locks again. It's not bad, it's just not as good as Wi-Fi and LTE.
Design, materials, and build quality. I feel sorry for Samsung. Everyone *****es them out about their "plasticky" phones, they do something about it, and it's not enough. The Note 4 is exceptionally well built to some of the most exacting tolerances I've seen on a mobile device. Look at how the plastic bezel insert flawlessly abuts the aluminium trim it's part of. Look how tight the back cover snaps on to be completely flush with the metal. There's even little body-colored inserts in the rocker switches that look perfectly aligned. So folks may not like Samsung's choices but the phone's solid, feels good in the hand, and has a "special" feel to it. Its biggest problem is that from six feet away it's hard to tell apart from the Note 3. But I was OK with Note 3's design any way and my phone's a tool not jewelry. As for the "gap." I'm not sure whether mine has one or not. There's three things happening at once on the edges of the phone - the 2D lip creates a reflection, the metal band creates a reflection, and at least on the white version I can't tell if there's a gap or not. There's so much going on visually at the edges of the display even if there was a gap no one but the anal retentive could possibly find it. Again, poor Samsung.
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The camera makes it worth every penny. What a world of difference! Like, polar. I can't believe the same company made both phones- the improvements to the camera h/w and s/w interface are immeasurable.
TouchWiz looks much nicer imo. Never had any issues with speed on the note 3, but the 4 does seem snappier. Design has definitely been improved- personal taste.
I don't really notice much of a difference in the screen unless I am looking at one of the beautiful photos I just took with insane detail. That is very nice. The screen allows you to appreciate the camera for sure.
Love the metal trim!
Speaker audio sounds louder and crisper, more full. I like the change in placement so my hand doesn't cover it up on the bottom.
S pen feels so much more responsive to light touch. I am a huge s pen user as I draw lots of diagrams and schematics. Never had an issue with the note 3 stylus, but this one feels like a very nice improvement (less pressure required to draw).
After trimming the fat off of background services (as I did on Note 3), my battery life seems slightly better than before- though the N3 seemed great as well. Time will tell.
Lots of other little details- too many to mention. A very happy customer. How someone could think the note 3 is better with such a huge difference in camera quality, I do not know.
Yes, very much worth it if you ask me!

Everyone is so excited about the camera, but does it:
1) allow take pictures while shooting 60fps 1080p videos?
2) have 60fps video with image stabilization?
3) does the camera keeps your settings if you switch to different modes and then quit/kill the camera app? (such as size, burst, stabilization, face detection. To test it, change these settings and switch to HDR mode, then hit home button and use the phone for a while by loading different apps, filling up the memory, until camera app gets removed from memory)
For Note 3 the answers are: no, no, no

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Everyone is so excited about the camera, but does it:
1) allow take pictures while shooting 60fps 1080p videos?
2) have 60fps video with image stabilization?
3) does the camera keeps your settings if you switch to different modes and then quit/kill the camera app? (such as size, burst, stabilization, face detection. To test it, change these settings and switch to HDR mode, then hit home button and use the phone for a while by loading different apps, filling up the memory, until camera app gets removed from memory)
For Note 3 the answers are: no, no, no
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You can take pictures while shooting video. Image stabilization is a thing when shooting in 1080p but not 4k. Not sure about the last, I didn't take a notice to that.

The video does seem more stable without software stabilization, probably the OIS I would imagine. Or maybe I'm just placebo-ing

Which Features would you wish for the Note 8?

Rumors say that the Note 8 will be renamed as the "S8 Plus". Well whatever its name, there were features missing from the Note 7 which I sure would like to see on the Note 8.
Features like:
- Dual Speakers. (For stereo speaker output when watching movies. That would be nice. Way better than a useless Iris Scanner imo using space and resources for nothing).
- 4K Display. (2k VR is cool but the screen door effect, not so cool. I always thought that 4K VR is that sweet spot between accessible VR and meaningful VR).
- 3D Camera. (Maybe something between the new dual lens technology and 3D stereoscopic technology. A camera that would allow to shoot at least 180 3d 4k videos). (They could even replace the iris scanner with a 2nd front Camera to go all 360 degrees.).
That's my list. How about you dudes?
Any ideas except Removable Battery?

most wanted feature: NO RECALL

a flat screen.

I would have to add revert back to Corning gorilla glass 4 as the 5, though more drop resistant, was softer thus more prone to marks.
Again I would agree with a flat screen but only because its bloomin impossible to purchase screen savers that work.
Stereo speakers would be a nice touch but useless in any device this size, a better DAC would be great.
Other than that..........It was simply superb. In all sincerity I do hope Samsung introduce a replacement sooner rather than later, as for the name I don't care.
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
I would have to add revert back to Corning gorilla glass 4 as the 5, though more drop resistant, was softer thus more prone to marks.
Again I would agree with a flat screen but only because its bloomin impossible to purchase screen savers that work.
Stereo speakers would be a nice touch but useless in any device this size, a better DAC would be great.
Other than that..........It was simply superb. In all sincerity I do hope Samsung introduce a replacement sooner rather than later, as for the name I don't care.
Ryland
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That's been debunked... Gg5 is just as scratch resistant as 4 and more shatterproof. The tests were done with contaminated moh tools.
https://youtu.be/nOz4Kf5AL7Q
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The whole audio experience could use a refresh. Better quality speaker and a more robust DAC would go a long way into fleshing out everything else I loved about my Note7.
4k screen would be fantastic as well.
They could kill the physical home button and put a fingerprint scanner on the back to make the screen bezel even smaller. The on-screen buttons in Nougat would allow for that easily. That's a matter of preference though as I have never once registered my fingerprint or iris scan on any phones so it's rather useless, in my opinion, to reduce screen real estate to house a legacy button because of a fingerprint scanner. Imagine an even smaller bezel with a 4k resolution 6" screen instead of the 5.7" quad screen. I'm down for that.

Bigger/better ram management.
Don't make the screen smaller!!
Waterproof
Blue Coral!

a bit smaller DIAGONAL size, and no recall, nothing more.

There will be no note 8....
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18MP+, f1.0 aperture, 50-24000 ISO (useable), 12nm Dodeca-core 3.2GHz, 8GB Memory with Apple like optimization, vibrating ribbed pen.

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18MP+, f1.0 aperture, 50-24000 ISO (useable), 12nm Dodeca-core 3.2GHz, 8GB Memory with Apple like optimization, vibrating ribbed pen.
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now why would you want 12 cores?

Get rid of the entire glass body, most retarded decision ever. Metal body instead.
Removable battery would be nice to have again. Specifically for the ability to use larger capacity batteries.
I just want a stylus again I miss my note 3, would have gotten the 7 had this fiasco not happened.
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Flat screen. 5.8

Removable battery and bigger battery (4000 mah).
NON glass back. Plastic is fine, glass breaks much more easily plus 99% of us use a case anyway.
Flat screen, but still almost zero bezels on the sides still.
Dual speakers, preferably on the back instead of the bottom.
Bring back the IR blaster.
All this is assuming that the main features of the N7 are kept: IP68, physical home button, S Pen, SD card slot, etc.

The one feature i sincerely ask for is the IR blaster. I still have my note 3 and i use this feature so much. Everything. Air conditioners tv set top etc. Moving to a phone without one removes so much convenience and additional usefulness of the phone.
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I loved the iris scanner. Great when you have wet or dirty hands

teegunn said:
Removable battery and bigger battery (4000 mah).
NON glass back. Plastic is fine, glass breaks much more easily plus 99% of us use a case anyway.
Flat screen, but still almost zero bezels on the sides still.
Dual speakers, preferably on the back instead of the bottom.
Bring back the IR blaster.
All this is assuming that the main features of the N7 are kept: IP68, physical home button, S Pen, SD card slot, etc.
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What he said.
Keep the home button a physical button on the front.
Could loose the ir blaster tho, I never used it.
I do not like the edge screens which is one of the main reasons why I don't want the s7 edge.

removable battery with ip68 ratings , speakers doesnt matter unless they can fit two 40 mm inside lol , full edge experience , still prefer the glass concept , shiny and sleek , some might not agreed but the edge is one of the main selling point as no other brands has it .

I'll be over the moon so long as they keep all the features in the Note 7. I *love* the iris scanner, for example, and would hate to see that go.
If they want to add anything, it would be a 4k screen for me. 2k only gives you something like standard def for VR. A higher pixel density would be a huge boost for VR.
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Could loose the ir blaster tho, I never used it.
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Well it doesn't have one, so that's hardly surprising.

surprised at people wanting rid of the glass back, it is actually a really good feature, it's not only more resistant than plastic, it is also better than metal as it doesn't block things like the NFC and radio antennas. it's why every metal phone has to have lines in the metal to put the aerials in then you have the like of apple who have had to use a different material for the apple logo to allow the NFC chip to transmit through the back of the phone, or the likes of Sony who have moved it to the front of the phone making it a pain if you are using anything NFC and want to see the screen. so really the glass back adds a lot of functionality, it's the same reason the pixel has went 1/3 glass on the back to help with transmission.