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I'm not sure if anyone has noticed it so far.. when charging the phone, and you do intensive WIFI/3G downloads (like updating apps from Play for example), the back of the phone at the camera area becomes really hot after awhile, and the LED indicator, which normally shows a always-on Orange light, will start to blink orange-green-orange-green...
After a day of experimenting, i think that the orange-green blinking is an indicator to tell us that the phone is running too hot, and needs to cool down before charging can continue..
anyone has similar experience?
Camera = hot spot
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limestone said:
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed it so far.. when charging the phone, and you do intensive WIFI/3G downloads (like updating apps from Play for example), the back of the phone at the camera area becomes really hot after awhile, and the LED indicator, which normally shows a always-on Orange light, will start to blink orange-green-orange-green...
After a day of experimenting, i think that the orange-green blinking is an indicator to tell us that the phone is running too hot, and needs to cool down before charging can continue..
anyone has similar experience?
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I have beed using one x for last 2 days, charged it twice fully but it does not get too hot, a lill hot while charging but no bliking led as you said
*#*#4636#*#* > choose Battery Information
The temperature and status will be listed there. I'm guessing that it stops charging at 50c
saj2001ind said:
I have beed using one x for last 2 days, charged it twice fully but it does not get too hot, a lill hot while charging but no bliking led as you said
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it doesn't get that hot if you're not using the phone while charging, but try charging AND using the wifi/3G at the same time. within 10 minutes, my phone got pretty hot at the camera area.
I had a flashing led last night too
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my phone gets very hot too.. then it will fail to detect the sim card and drop the mobile connection..
fi3ry_icy said:
my phone gets very hot too.. then it will fail to detect the sim card and drop the mobile connection..
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do you mean while charging or with normal use itself ?
All smartphones have this problem including SGS2 and Iphone 4s.
If you use max brightness + games for more than 10 mins it will get very warm no matter what's the brand or model you use.
The only treatement is to decrease brightness or downclock the CPU with SetCPU (temp profiles)
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do you mean while charging or with normal use itself ?
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both..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1581349
the problem started to happen yesterday nite..
fi3ry_icy said:
both..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1581349
the problem started to happen yesterday nite..
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install battery indicator and check the how miuch the battery is heated, I have checked it quite a few times and it should within 30-32 C which is normal
dont find it getting heated with normal use, I am keeping the player on for many hours and calls etc, only when I charge it gets a bit warm but again not hot I would say
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Not excactly but it became also hot for all when I charge
Orange green indicator will happen when you are charging the phone (orange) and when you have a notification (missed call, msg, downloaded app). Heating up happens naturally when you do work on your phone while charging. It will happen even if you do nothing while charging.
A Dutch website called Tweakers.net tested the temperature in comparison to other phones, and found it got hotter than other phones when used intensively. See attachment image to see what I mean.
What is says: "toestel" = device. "frontpage" means they let the browser display the frontpage of their website. Shadowgun is an intense 3D game from the market. "Shadowgun + lader" means playing Shadowgun while connected to the charger.
I only experience the high temperature when playing games on my phone for 5 mins onwards. Charging is fine. I think mine is working pretty fine considering I resides in Singapore where everyday is summer.
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dmestriner said:
A Dutch website called Tweakers.net tested the temperature in comparison to other phones, and found it got hotter than other phones when used intensively. See attachment image to see what I mean.
What is says: "toestel" = device. "frontpage" means they let the browser display the frontpage of their website. Shadowgun is an intense 3D game from the market. "Shadowgun + lader" means playing Shadowgun while connected to the charger.
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3C though - barely anything..?
DomCowell said:
3C though - barely anything..?
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I forgot to mention they also say that this heat is felt through the entire body of the phone, as where on other handsets the heat is concentrated in one place.
It's perfectly normal dude!
It's the screen that gets hot and because the One X has a 4.7'' screen it's all over the phone
vegetaleb said:
It's perfectly normal dude!
It's the screen that gets hot and because the One X has a 4.7'' screen it's all over the phone
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i never leave the screen over half the brightness so hope its just this
i'm starting to be concerned honestly, Desire/Nexus 1 are operating at their maximum thermal capacity and it used to get hot too, Desire HD has snapdaragon2 with very relaxed thermals and to be honest i don't like to have a hot rod in my hands, the DHD always feels pleasantly cold
the thermal image posted by DomCowell seems fine and normal when compared with other phones....i dont know
knoobie said:
I only experience the high temperature when playing games on my phone for 5 mins onwards. Charging is fine. I think mine is working pretty fine considering I resides in Singapore where everyday is summer.
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same here.. but my phone gets pretty warm quite fast..
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hamdir said:
i never leave the screen over half the brightness so hope its just this
i'm starting to be concerned honestly, Desire/Nexus 1 are operating at their maximum thermal capacity and it used to get hot too, Desire HD has snapdaragon2 with very relaxed thermals and to be honest i don't like to have a hot rod in my hands, the DHD always feels pleasantly cold
the thermal image posted by DomCowell seems fine and normal when compared with other phones....i dont know
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the phone is warm most of the time.. at leat the unit i have is....
Hello,
I want to know whether it is normal, if I play a game like ShadowGun THD, after 2 minutes the phone is about 40 to 45C?
I use the Gauge Battery Widget for testing, because that shows an immediate temperature.
I also have a test.
battery recharge
Put in airplane mode.
Brightness at 100% put
Stand 10 minutes.
After 10 minutes the phone on standby, then immediately turned on the phone, the app started, and looked at how warm the phone was. And he was about 31.8C
Is this normal or not? because at play after 2 minutes the phone all at 40 to 45C.
Sincerely,
djbosanac
It is normal, but I don't consider it "OK". It is overheating badly.
The worse thing is it will also not charge when over 49... (it will discharge fast in fact)
Mine started getting that hot and caused the simcard contacts to warp. So I sent it back for a replacement. I do think the later updates cooled it down a bit but by that time the damage was done
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Hmm so it isent ok? that is about overheating of 31.8C on standby and if i play on 40 to 45C ?
Is there a way that i can resolve this problem or not?
Or do i must bring the phone back for a new one ?????
djbosanac said:
Hello,
I want to know whether it is normal, if I play a game like ShadowGun THD, after 2 minutes the phone is about 40 to 45C?
I use the Gauge Battery Widget for testing, because that shows an immediate temperature.
I also have a test.
battery recharge
Put in airplane mode.
Brightness at 100% put
Stand 10 minutes.
After 10 minutes the phone on standby, then immediately turned on the phone, the app started, and looked at how warm the phone was. And he was about 31.8C
Is this normal or not? because at play after 2 minutes the phone all at 40 to 45C.
Sincerely,
djbosanac
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When I was on 1.28 I had the same problem, in fact it went up to 50 degrees regularly.
After the first 1.29 update it was much much better.
Updated to 1.29.401.11 about a week ago and it seems to have gone back to how it was on 1.28!
48 is when the overheating green/red notification kicks in anything under 48 is fine.
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treebill said:
48 is when the overheating green/red notification kicks in anything under 48 is fine.
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Uhm is that automaticly, that you get a notification when the phone is overheating.
But is isent so damageable? for my phone or?
@PurpleRob how stuppid can they be, to set is as it was before the latest update? so that you have again a overheated phone ?
djbosanac said:
Uhm is that automaticly, that you get a notification when the phone is overheating.
But is isent so damageable? for my phone or?
@PurpleRob how stuppid can they be, to set is as it was before the latest update? so that you have again a overheated phone ?
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While on charge as soon as it hits 48c it flashes green/red, when that starts it stops charging till the temp drops below that limit.
While off charge the battery should be good up to 60 the CPU is set to shut down the phone at 99 c
/sys/kernel/debug/tegra_thermal/shutdown_temp_tj
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I regularly see 50-55ºC even while browsing. But mine will still charge (1.29.401.11) maybe they raised the threshold? It's never shutoff on me but I've heard the upper limit for the phone was 60ºC.
I've contacted Expansys about this issue as when my phone stays above 50ºC for a while the screen yellows right above the home key. Hoping for a replacement, mainly because a case I used has already scratched the screen but it'd be nice is the yellowing and overheating was fixed.
When i check the temp_tj it says my cpu is 43,5 degrees right now, and i'm not doing anything ?
aren't some people reporting battery temp and other cpu temp ?
What software version are you running? My guess is 1.29.401.11 did something that while fixes the screen flickering, it causes the CPU to get too hot.
fellas,
the only solution currently available to reduce the heat is to use corecontrol app and change it to dual-core.
u'l notice considerable difference ofcourse without any loss in the performance..
what does it means, when you plugged in your phone to a load up again, and you get a red light? is that because the battery is full, or to heat? because when i unplug it, it is oke..
Charging
The red light when you plug it in is the phone simply telling you that it is charging, it will turn green when fully charged!
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The red light when you plug it in is the phone simply telling you that it is charging, it will turn green when fully charged!
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thanks, the phone makes me a little bit angry
More and more things are going wrong.
My battery on the One X I think is bad, when I check facebook or Twitter on WiFi, it drains 1% every minute and it annoys me. Playing simple games also drains 1% every minute...really annoying. Is there a problem please help?
Bryannrx said:
My battery on the One X I think is bad, when I check facebook or Twitter on WiFi, it drains 1% every minute and it annoys me. Playing simple games also drains 1% every minute...really annoying. Is there a problem please help?
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If You are under mobile data It is normal
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Same thing here!
Bryannrx said:
My battery on the One X I think is bad, when I check facebook or Twitter on WiFi, it drains 1% every minute and it annoys me. Playing simple games also drains 1% every minute...really annoying. Is there a problem please help?
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It happens to me as well, but only if I turn on WiFi and let the phone use it´s online services.
Hoping that the Jelly Bean update with Sense 4+ brings some kind of optimization.
I have my HOX configured pretty much like my SGS3 and my S3 lasts 20, 30% longer and about 7ºC colder.
Same here, kinda want to change my phone again if HTC doesnt fix this problem.
do a battery calibration, app like this works https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration&feature=search_result
before the app 1 day usage = 60% of power left
after = 85% left
HTC made too much of the safty triggers for the battery if u use it lightly every day its minimizing side effects by making new one (less charge)
How long have you had your One X, OP? It takes several full charge cycles for the battery to calibrate, it's one thing about One X that's weird. I remember being completely disheartened with battery life when I first got mine - and it was horrible, pretty much like you've described it, 1% every minute or so - but only kept it because my mobile operator wouldn't replace it before making sure there is a hardware malfunction, which could have taken weeks, and I was impatient. Then I learned from xda that this slow calibration phenomenon is a thing with this phone.
I hope you're right svucinic811 I'm really getting worried here
I am wondering what a good rate of discharge is cos if i leave it on standby overnight it went from 99% to 79% in about 8.5 hours. personally i think it should have been 99% to 89% in 8.5hrs but anyways...
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I am wondering what a good rate of discharge is cos if i leave it on standby overnight it went from 99% to 79% in about 8.5 hours. personally i think it should have been 99% to 89% in 8.5hrs but anyways...
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It should only discharge at most a few percent. Check your wakelocks with BetterBatteryStats.
tomascus said:
It should only discharge at most a few percent. Check your wakelocks with BetterBatteryStats.
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will do....what should i look for?
Raider0001 said:
do a battery calibration, app like this works https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration&feature=search_result
before the app 1 day usage = 60% of power left
after = 85% left
HTC made too much of the safty triggers for the battery if u use it lightly every day its minimizing side effects by making new one (less charge)
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Will this work even without rooting my phone? I'm running on Stock Sense 4.1, but this seems like it would help a lot.
As well, if you (for a couple days) go without charging your phone in the middle of the day and let it run down until you charge it again I think you will see some results in the battery life. My battery would die everyday before school ended for me (Wake up at 7:00 AM, Phone dead by 5:00 PM). Unless it was just a placebo affect for me, its worth a try.
Does anyone else has this problem where, yes the battery drains fast, but takes forever to get charged to 100% ? FYI, I'm using the real charger, not via PC~USB
how do i calibrate betterbatterystats?
RohinZaraki said:
Does anyone else has this problem where, yes the battery drains fast, but takes forever to get charged to 100% ? FYI, I'm using the real charger, not via PC~USB
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What's forever? 3 hours is about normal, unless you're heavily using it.
You don't have to calibrate Better Battery Stats. Just charge it up to full, then wait for it to happen again. Open it up, choose Since unplugged (obviously you should not have plugged it in at any point of time since the full charge), then take a screen shot of Kernel Wakelock, Partial Wakelocks and Process.
@Rohin, USB Cable quality plays a big part as well. A cheap rubbish USB cable even connected to the wall socket charger can only charge at 300+mAh, while a good one can charge up to about 750+mAh. About 85%-90%, charging usually slows down to about 200-300mAh, then slows down even more as it approaches 100%.
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will do....what should i look for?
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partial wakelocks, if any.
i wonder if this is still a problem in 4.0.4
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/14/htc-one-x-battery-life-got-you-down-here-is-a-fix/
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partial wakelocks, if any.
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i don't know how to read the stats on it.
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i don't know how to read the stats on it.
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So give it about a few hours on standby and then run BetterBatteryStats, then select partial wake locks from the drop down box and it should present you with a list of the wake locks, easy enough?
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So give it about a few hours on standby and then run BetterBatteryStats, then select partial wake locks from the drop down box and it should present you with a list of the wake locks, easy enough?
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oh ok, i see some have varying red bar sizes, what do they mean?
I had my One X for about 3 months...I don't know sometimes my battery is good and sometimes its bad...hope when the OTA update for jelly bean helps to use less battery. Who knows how to recalibrate the One X battery by charging??
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My phone suddenly turned off at 52% of battery left. When i turned on again, the battery are 0%, this happen several times. What happen?
makankaki said:
My phone suddenly turned off at 52% of battery left. When i turned on again, the battery are 0%, this happen several times. What happen?
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rom? kernel? newly installed rom?
Xperian UI by DoO, hurtsky kernel v4.0 reverted. About a week ago i flash this
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Xperian UI by DoO, hurtsky kernel v4.0 reverted. About a week ago i flash this
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hmm ic. if its newly installed rom then i think its normal. i also encounters that but after 2 or more charging cycles its back to normal. but since ur using it for almost a week, idk. maybe battery related.
Oh, if someone have counter this before this than i relieve a bit. I have charge more than 5 times and counting maybe..
makankaki said:
Oh, if someone have counter this before this than i relieve a bit. I have charge more than 5 times and counting maybe..
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btw, ur battery is not bloated?
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btw, ur battery is not bloated?
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Nope, still flat.
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Turned off again just now, battery still around 60% when turned off.
My original battery got bloated, so I bought a new one, and the phone was turning off on 30% every time, then I called guarantee, they changed the battery to other one and this never happened again.
Maybe the problem is with your battery.
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FelixMG said:
My original battery got bloated, so I bought a new one, and the phone was turning off on 30% every time, then I called guarantee, they changed the battery to other one and this never happened again.
Maybe the problem is with your battery.
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when i flash another rom, the problem still same but different result, the battery percent only decrease, not 0% just like when i posting this.
i already use SGW over one year and nothing happen.
maybe battery problem because when i recheck my battery, it bloating a bit.
tomorrow i go buy new battery and try again. hope this problem settled
makankaki said:
when i flash another rom, the problem still same but different result, the battery percent only decrease, not 0% just like when i posting this.
i already use SGW over one year and nothing happen.
maybe battery problem because when i recheck my battery, it bloating a bit.
tomorrow i go buy new battery and try again. hope this problem settled
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My phone suddenly turned off at 52% of battery left. When i turned on again, the battery are 0%, this happen several times. What happen?
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Sounds to me like your battery is on it's way out. When my original battery failed I experienced many random crashes, shut downs, reboots - the battery looked fine at a glance, but upon closer inspection (ie taking it out and laying it on a hard, perfectly flat surface) there was just the smallest, tiny amount of bloat starting to occur (barely visible - but enough to show the battery was past it's prime).
I replaced the battery, calibrated it and the problems all went away.
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Sounds to me like your battery is on it's way out. When my original battery failed I experienced many random crashes, shut downs, reboots - the battery looked fine at a glance, but upon closer inspection (ie taking it out and laying it on a hard, perfectly flat surface) there was just the smallest, tiny amount of bloat starting to occur (barely visible - but enough to show the battery was past it's prime).
I replaced the battery, calibrated it and the problems all went away.
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but i dont experinced any crashes, only sudden turn off.
yeah, i can spin my battery on flat surface
i'll try to change my battery tomorrow
update: before i change new battery, the problem not occur anymore, when i play game only occur, i change the battery and play game, the problem have gone,
First two days I had the phone it had great battery. I was getting 16-18 hours of life with 4-6 sot. Now the last two days at work it's worse than my op2. By the time I got home yesterday I was at like 35%. Previous days I was well over 60.My android system is taking most of the blame. On my good days it was at like 8% when the phone would die. Right now with my phone at 79% it's already at the top with 5%. I've barely used the phone while I'm at work right now. It's been unplugged for 3 hours and my sot is 35 minutes. Not sure if it's got something to do with the ambient display. Maybe finger print scanner. Any one have ideas?
Download gsm battery monitor, are you rooted?
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cameron1292 said:
First two days I had the phone it had great battery. I was getting 16-18 hours of life with 4-6 sot. Now the last two days at work it's worse than my op2. By the time I got home yesterday I was at like 35%. Previous days I was well over 60.My android system is taking most of the blame. On my good days it was at like 8% when the phone would die. Right now with my phone at 79% it's already at the top with 5%. I've barely used the phone while I'm at work right now. It's been unplugged for 3 hours and my sot is 35 minutes. Not sure if it's got something to do with the ambient display. Maybe finger print scanner. Any one have ideas?
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Seems like you had been on LTE for quite long. Mobile data takes pounding on battery life. You will always see android system, android os and Google services etc on battery stat when using mobile data. Not the same case with wifi.
same here
i have mixed net usage with m,mostly lte on and wifi
can anyone have its quick fix pls report asap
i have greenified many OPservices but it didnt helped
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Not rooted yet. Didn't want to loose dash charge with a new rom but cat just chewed the cord so guess I'll make a jump. Is that only a rooted app?
saurabh40629 said:
Seems like you had been on LTE for quite long. Mobile data takes pounding on battery life. You will always see android system, android os and Google services etc on battery stat when using mobile data. Not the same case with wifi.
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Humm I thought it was the other way around. Nevertheless I have WiFi at work. Can't remember if I was on it though. I'll have to test that out.
You don't have to run a custom rom or loose dash charge cause your rooted. I'm still using stock oxygen 3.1.3,and have the basic functions like dash charge working. I'm not sure if you have to be rooted to use gsm, cause I'm always rooted, but it may gave you more specific insight as to what exactly is draining your battery quickly.
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Not sure if it's got something to do with the ambient display. Maybe finger print scanner. Any one have ideas?
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You know the image you attached, with the graph on it? Tap that and check the Awake heading. Is it one long solid blue bar? If yes: your phone stays awake (doesn't go in deep sleep mode). Does restarting it make a difference (i.e. does the solid blue bar get broken up)?
The problem emerged on my OP3 as well yesterday AND I had it on my prevous phone (a OPO). On the OPO the problem was that it wouldn't release a wakelock that kicked in during charging. While I haven't explored the problem on my new OP3 enough to know if this is the same problem, here's what fixed it for me if the problem is indeed charger related: when charged to your liking turn off your phone with the charging cable still in. Once turned off, remove the cable and restart the phone.
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You don't have to run a custom rom or loose dash charge cause your rooted. I'm still using stock oxygen 3.1.3,and have the basic functions like dash charge working. I'm not sure if you have to be rooted to use gsm, cause I'm always rooted, but it may gave you more specific insight as to what exactly is draining your battery quickly.
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I'll have to check that out. I'll root today. Just haven't had a need with the OP3 I'm digging this version of oxygen and not missing any of my root abilities. Also I use android pay. But I guess I can live without it lol
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You know the image you attached, with the graph on it? Tap that and check the Awake heading. Is it one long solid blue bar? If yes: your phone stays awake (doesn't go in deep sleep mode). Does restarting it make a difference (i.e. does the solid blue bar get broken up)?
The problem emerged on my OP3 as well yesterday AND I had it on my prevous phone (a OPO). On the OPO the problem was that it wouldn't release a wakelock that kicked in during charging. While I haven't explored the problem on my new OP3 enough to know if this is the same problem, here's what fixed it for me if the problem is indeed charger related: when charged to your liking turn off your phone with the charging cable still in. Once turned off, remove the cable and restart the phone.
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Are you talking about under history details? I'll check tonight once my phone is drained. I did a battery cycle yesterday. Let it die and charged to 100 while it was off. We'll see how it goes today. And your saying it was an actual charger problem?
Heavy battery drain might have to do with the "pocket problem". The fingerprint sensor constantly activates and is not properly blocked by the proximity sensor.
There are several threads and posts about it, here and on the oneplus forums...
js931 said:
Heavy battery drain might have to do with the "pocket problem". The fingerprint sensor constantly activates and is not properly blocked by the proximity sensor.
There are several threads and posts about it, here and on the oneplus forums...
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Yea I had that once in a while with my op2 I'd take the phone out of my pocket and it would say too many attempts at the scanner. Nothing on this phone like that though. And of course today is a different story with the battery lol its good today. So maybe it's while I'm at work. Idk it's odd. I need some more testing. Currently I'm at 9.5 hours on battery with 56% left and almost 3 hours sot. I'll see how this week goes at work and see if I can diagnose anything
I've been having this problem as well, losing as much as up to 20% of battery overnight, while it was doing absolutely nothing. I've tried a couple of things, but last night it 'only' drained 5%, betterbatterystats reports 0.6% of drainage per hour.
I think this is due to the weather option in the launcher, could anyone else try turning it off and see if battery life improves significantly?
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Are you talking about under history details?
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Yes.
I'll check tonight once my phone is drained.
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You don't even need to do that. You can just check it after an hour or even less. Just put the phone away for an hour with the screen off and check history details.
And your saying it was an actual charger problem?
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Not quite. I'm saying it was a wakelock that kicked in during charging and that wasn't released when I took the phone off the charger. I don't know if it was the charger caused the wakelock.
Great for two days now I'm leaving work with 45% battery and only an hour and a half sot. Unplugged for 9 hours. Idk I feel like it's hit or miss