I'm fairly new to this forum, however have been a member of many other forums.
I find this forum quite interesting from the point of view that anyone who asks a question is in danger of being immediately flamed and potentially to the point of never returning.
I recently looked at a thread where someone asked a question that was answered somewhere else. Three members jumped on the bandwagon to flame to poor sod. Another member jumped in to defend the fact that people should be free to ask questions.
In the end, there were 12 replies to the question that, in that thread, was never actually answered.
12 posts just to discuss the relevance or appropriateness of the question that was not even answered.
Most forums I have been a member of have some very strict views on staying on topic. This reduces the flaming which seems to do more 'cluttering' damage that questions that have been already answered.
So if I have a question, I will STF only to find 42,000 topics on the same thing that don't actually answer anything, but discuss the "relevance or appropriateness of the question that was not even answered".
If the members, who should know better, stayed on topic then people would be able to readily identify the good threads more easily and not feel it nessesary to ask again... and again... and again.
So... Instead of flaming n00b questions that have allegedly been answered before, why don't the members of this forum look in the mirror and...
STAY ON TOPIC!!!
Note that I have posted this where I think this kind of discussion belongs... (i.e. not in any of the threads that actually deal with meaningfull discussions about phones).
Let the flames begin...
sounds like you are talking about the hermes wm6 forum... yes we know there is a problem... yes, we are working on it.. and there is already a thread for this.. so there was no reason to start another
BaggyG said:
I'm fairly new to this forum, however have been a member of many other forums.
I find this forum quite interesting from the point of few that anyone who asks a question is in danger of being immediately flamed and potentially to the point of never returning.
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STFU noob.
ok, I jest... but seriously, it did reach breaking point and something had to give... fortunately it's unwinding itself now.
Also to be fair to long time members though, every time a new OS version is out, the place is flooded with n00bs that usually don't even take the time to look at the threads presend on the same damn page.
It's beyond lazy, it's just ignorant to expect people to wipe their arse for them even if the toilet roll is right there in front of them.
Sometimes help is warranted and they get flamed, but when upgrading these expensive devices, they should take the time to understand more about it
Perhaps we should have an aptitude test before allowing access to the forums hehe.
shogunmark said:
sounds like you are talking about the hermes wm6 forum... yes we know there is a problem... yes, we are working on it.. and there is already a thread for this.. so there was no reason to start another
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Gee... Hermes forum? How'd ya guess
I tried STF for a thread on this, but couldn't decide what to search on: n00b? Flame? Agro? Dummy spit? Ignorant?... So many choices
But okay... I've had my say so I'll pull my head in and get back to my life.
By the way... Great forum and wiki. Very helpful and informative.
Baggy
Same thing can be observed in the prophet forum too, lately. Once a new OS is out for the device the same questions are flooding over and over again. And it's surprising to see that the so called noobs who just started "annoying" the others are flaming the next generation of noobs who introduce themselves with the same kind of "new and unanswered" questions. The people are not stupid,but the are lazy a... I have the feeling that certain forums are laking of active moderators who maintain order when necessary.
While I think it's important to encourage all members (yes I've seen a few senior members asking things that have been previously discussed in the same thread) I think the whole attitude about it is wrong. There's really no need to get all pissy about it, and much less calling people "noob". Really someone that goes off on a noob rant can't have much of a life in my opinion. We are all busy -some more then others- and we really don't want to waste time answering redundant questions, but isn't going off on someone and calling them a noob an even worst usage of our valuable time? besides..... who really gives a rats ass about getting called a noob.
In closing, if you feel a noob is bothering you, ignore him and he might eventually get the point, or behave like a human beign and help the guy out. However, as BaggyG says don't turn the damn thread into a name calling fiasko. One 20 word post asking a question is not as irritating as a 500 word essay on the stupidness of noobs.
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Same thing can be observed in the prophet forum too, lately. Once a new OS is out for the device the same questions are flooding over and over again. And it's surprising to see that the so called noobs who just started "annoying" the others are flaming the next generation of noobs who introduce themselves with the same kind of "new and unanswered" questions. The people are not stupid,but the are lazy a... I have the feeling that certain forums are laking of active moderators who maintain order when necessary.
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since i dont frequent the prophet forum's and im not sure who our active mod(s) are for prophet, if you would let me know what threads need to be moderated i will be more than happy to flex my muscle in there.
and actually on that note....
If anyone see's anything anywhere on this board that needs to be moderated then please either report the post or shoot me a pm or any of the other mods and i will be more than happy to do what i think is necessary with the thread or posts.
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If anyone see's anything anywhere on this board that needs to be moderated then please either report the post or shoot me a pm or any of the other mods and i will be more than happy to do what i think is necessary with the thread or posts.
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Just wondering if it would be possible to put an announcement or sticky on each forum identifying the mods for that particular forum.
Just a though...
Baggy
Damn. I saw the title and thought "Man, that'd be fun!" and everyone in here is complaining about it? (joking).
Seriously though it is a problem. But everyone here can do something about stopping it. I mean, if you know there is a solution to the question they asked and it's somewhere else in the forums, give them a link and tell them how to find these answers. If you don't know exactly where it is, tell them what forum to search. At the very least, say nothing. When people only read the last page of a thread it is very annoying but those are best ignored. There is absolutely no need to publicly flame someone and waste even more space on a thread.
I'm currently working on a bug tracking system for new roms so hopefully that will reduce a lot of these kind of questions by keeping answers with the questions and moderators and chef's being able to easily delete repeated posts.
It's just a bit of common courtesy which is as sadly lacking as common sense at the moment unfortunately.
Maz
http://maz.net.au/
one of the other things is the sheer VOLUME of replies, in the Hermes section, there are over 250 replies in a couple of threads! not meaning to sound lazy, but that is a hell of a lot!!!
of corse i'm reading them and reading repeat after repeat of questions that are the same.
Its great when the #1 topic poster goes through the posts and copies soloutions to problems and presents it in the 1st post!
hmm think thats covered just about everything on my mind
*gets flamethrower out*
Flamin' time =D
kiddin'
Y'all have to admit. Some of the "senior" members here have this god complex.
Once they manage to have their devices run unofficial stuff - even if it isn't their own work, and they were just following simple instructions, which don't really take much work once you get down to it - they think it gives them every right to go Bastard Operator From Hell to just about anyone else.
I guess it's pretty normal for unofficial channels, innit - I see the same kind of folks in emulation and driver forums. Not to mention linux and hardware boards. But some of the "ascended" here ought to remember that they didn't start as gods, and may not really be that much of a "god" after all.
You know there are noobs and then there are noobs.
Take a look at this thread. If every novice would put half the effort in as this guy did we wouldn't be having this dessication at all.
Don't get me wrong, I do not support flaming (well maybe with some small exceptions) and say what you will about senior members but at least all those guys who "just followed simple instructions" had the sense to go find and read those instructions.
So can your really blame someone who spent time reading and learning when he sees the forum flooded by people who expect to be walked through something step by step without bothering to put in even a minimum effort?
No, dozen responses that don't answer the question are not the solution, but hey everyone needs to went somehow.
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You know there are noobs and then there are noobs.
Take a look at this thread. If every novice would put half the effort in as this guy did we wouldn't be having this dessication at all.
Don't get me wrong, I do not support flaming (well maybe with some small exceptions) and say what you will about senior members but at least all those guys who "just followed simple instructions" had the sense to go find and read those instructions.
So can your really blame someone who spent time reading and learning when he sees the forum flooded by people who expect to be walked through something step by step without bothering to put in even a minimum effort?
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I agree. There's WAAAAYY too much "how do I. . ." posts in the forums when all the information is already there for READING. More stickys at the top of the forums won't solve the problem, because the ones that are there WITH the information are not being read by the noobs even now.
It's really sad for me to see the direction that this board has taken in the past year. When I first registered, it was an AWESOME site with LOTS of users developing useful tools and apps to make these devices even better . . . a place to share ideas and to try out the cooked ROMs.
Then, we had an influx of new users about 6 months ago that simply couldn't -- or WOULDN'T -- search for answers before posting. Now, the board is so bloated with those useless posts/threads that it's a nightmare using the search function anymore.
While I still come here daily to check the General section and the Wizard section, I don't do much posting and only read the threads of general interest to me. I'll help where I can on answering questions -- but only if they haven't already been asked a gazillion times before. I still look for the tools and apps from the developers here to keep tweaking my phone to get the absolute MOST out of it, and I've flashed more ROMs from this site than Quaker's got oats. -- and all without asking "how do I. . ." or "I've bricked my phone. . . " because I READ THE INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!!
It's really that simple. All you have to do is READ and FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS -- step by step. Don't skip a step or leave anything out, and it works!!!
that it's a nightmare using the search function anymore.
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As much as I see your point, I have only 2 words to say. "Vicious Cycle".
I'm also a noob but i dont care because i know my options, first do a search ( which by the way is pratically unusable, but not only here all foruns have this problem), but in a community so big it´s comprehensive cause sometimes the answer to the problem is two threads bellow or in the next page, but no let´s open another thread asking the same thing, and i know that such attitude will lead to saturation of the older members.
The answer is simple if someone is in the mood answer if not leave it, until the users realize their options to search for things this will never end.
I'm glad to be here because above all it's a learning place for the ones who enjoy this platform and the ones who just like to know about varied stuff.
Cheers and have a nice weekend
yes thanks everyone for all thr help and advice. Keep it up!
Peace out
Registration fees
To alleviate the amount of worthless posts and to give something back to those that dedicate so much time and effort to this forum (rom cookers, admins and mods) why dont we add a registration fee to this forum?
Just a thought, but I would happily pay an annual fee of 20 eur / 15 GBP for this forum.
Searching
I think that quite a lot of the problem is with how difficult it is to get answers out of the forum search facility if you're not used to it.
Could it be possible to add a dumb-ass version that's the default?
There have been no end of times in the past when i've been searching for info on upgrading and I have to trawl through hundreds of irrelevant posts (most of them telling people to go to other posts that don't have the right info on them).
Also, back in the day there was a lot more info on the wiki section relating to the upgrading/modding etc but now (understandably given the number of devices available) the information only seems to be in the forums.
I like the idea of having a sticky in each thread listing useful articles on common topics. I bet no one will bother to read them though.
I still think my library illustration I gave over at TC stills says it best.
We all know the library is full of info on so many things you could want to know. And we all know what's expected of us in a library; go find the book on the subject. If you have trouble finding the answer, then ask your question.
I think where so many go wrong is thinking that they can just walk in to the library and start asking questions from whoever just happens to be there, rather than first trying to find the answer for themselves in the variety of books available.
And what's wrong with someone who at first was a noob - asking repeated questions - and then learning what's expected of them, and then expecting the same from others? You got told to be quiet in the library, at first you were offended, and then began to realize the benefit, and then inturn expect the same from others.
I really don't expect people to figure it out. Call me a pessimist or call me a realist.
Oh, by-the-way, have you noticed that this kind of topic always results in long, drawn-out posts?
Hi..!
I've got an idea and maybe you mods can add this on xda.
When new members for the first time enters the forum, maybe its an idea to show them a page with rules and faq's and maybe a sort of quiz, and the answers they need to fill in, they can find them on the wiki page.
*they can only enter when the answers are right...
*maybe random questions so they can not be helped by others
This all to show them WIKI is the source of wisdom. And this prevents lame ass threads with stupid questions *I didn’t used search or WIKI, what is WIKI actually..
And dont get me wrong, some people actually use search/WIKI and cant find what they are looking for, thats ok , but sometimes people are just stupid or lazy
let me give you a example what lame ass thread is!;
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Note: Sorry if my English isn't perfect
I like the idea and it even sounds like fun
On one hand this is a great idea to get the forum a bit closer to the way it started - a limited group of knowledgeable people.
On the other hand this forum is now known as one of the best and biggest free/open communities for PDA owners on the net and restricting access is likely to frustrate more than a few people and generate negative publicity.
(Then again, too much publicity is what caused us to loose the ROMs...)
A poll to see who thinks threads like "THE BATTLE OF THE ROMS!" should be deleted
Hello - there are so many threads posting useless questions that have already been answered, and those asking what the best ROM for the Trinity is out there. This really gets my goat - is useless and as the creator of the above mentioned thread clearly said in his first post: "...there hv been many threads abt which the best ROM is in ur opinion, but none of them hv really continued and provided some usefull opinion..."
These threads pollute the forum - an otherwise valuable source of information - and make it more difficult to find the information that people want (especially for newbies). As a result they cerate a new thread asking their question - It's known as the snowball effect.
So I think we should have a vote on it: should these threads be deleted / moved or not? The comments in the above mentioned thread lead me to believe that nobody finds these useful - but let me and everyone else know please.
Nuff said! Time to kick ass, i voted that we should group them all, so that at least we have some funny thread to read in our iddle times. ;-)
L.
haha.. this made my day! great post nealed!
Everyone keeps banging on about useless pointless threads being created and I agree it is a pain but this is an open forum and I'm sorry but you will never be able to stop it unless a major overhaul to the way in which the site is operated is carried out.
You can complain and whinge until you're blue in the face but it ain't gonna stop so why bother?
Just ignore them instead of lashing out!
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Everyone keeps banging on about useless pointless threads being created and I agree it is a pain but this is an open forum and I'm sorry but you will never be able to stop it unless a major overhaul to the way in which the site is operated is carried out.
You can complain and whinge until you're blue in the face but it ain't gonna stop so why bother?
Just ignore them instead of lashing out!
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simply because of the described "snowball effect". I think we need moderators who are fair - but who do that - moderate - and make the forums what they should be - an easily accessible source of info for all - experienced and newbie users.
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Hello - there are so many threads posting useless questions that have already been answered, and those asking what the best ROM for the Trinity is out there. This really gets my goat - is useless and as the creator of the above mentioned thread clearly said in his first post: "...there hv been many threads abt which the best ROM is in ur opinion, but none of them hv really continued and provided some usefull opinion..."
These threads pollute the forum - an otherwise valuable source of information - and make it more difficult to find the information that people want (especially for newbies). As a result they cerate a new thread asking their question - It's known as the snowball effect.
So I think we should have a vote on it: should these threads be deleted / moved or not? The comments in the above mentioned thread lead me to believe that nobody finds these useful - but let me and everyone else know please.
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Darn ..... you posted faster ...
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simply because of the described "snowball effect". I think we need moderators who are fair - but who do that - moderate - and make the forums what they should be - an easily accessible source of info for all - experienced and newbie users.
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Agreed. But this puts extra pressure on the moderators, and until it is implemented (and it may not) there's nothing anyone can do! Do you see my point?
I think you're flogging a dead horse!
yea, watever, watever you guyz think, I created it for the benifit of others, and I dont know what you find so offensive or wrong in that thread, but watever you say guyz. a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research can come here to make a slightly better decision... i dunno why so many ppl find it offensive, i wasn't trying to create competition, or no such thing... wat is it that got you guyz so angry abt this, i have no idea....
so much of anger over that thread?? "polluting the forum", "make it difficult to find information" wow, wow, I didn't expect this to happen... so much of anger against that thread??? wow.... if its that bad, i sincerely apologize for creating that thread, but still why so much of this anger???
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yea, watever, watever you guyz think, I created it for the benifit of others, and I dont know what you find so offensive or wrong in that thread, but watever you say guyz. a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research can come here to make a slightly better decision... i dunno why so many ppl find it offensive, i wasn't trying to create competition, or no such thing... wat is it that got you guyz so angry abt this, i have no idea....
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AK - CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND:
1. New guys cannot find what they want - because of so many junk posts
2. As you yourself said - there has never been anything useful come out of asking people what the best ROM is or to say which one they prefer.
It's not gettin anyone anywhere - the info is there - maybe we need more stickies for the pertinant threads and moderators to dump the junk. Then we'd have a much more useable forum.
" a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research" that's the Wiki - and all can edit / contribute. people need to use the Wiki tho.....
alright, i understand, i get it... ignore that thread and bury it.....
lets get it over with, i dunno why there is so much hype against this...
so, i sincerely apologize for creating that thread.
Talking about useless threads....this one is the perfect example of useless waste of keyboard strokes...
yea, as if this thread isn't "polluting" the forum...
Roms are Roms, Depend On You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi to all brothers and friends, No one actually can reply to this type of question, what's the best ROM, its depend on each of us, for what type of uses, whats we are looking for etc etc..... All the cooking chefs as always do their best to share with Us, no one of us can pay these guys,
SO IF ANYONE OF US WANNA KNOWS WHATS THE BEST ROM SO BROTHERS "DOWNLOAD THEM ALL" AND LIKE US TRY THEM ALL.
Then decide by your own whats the best goes fit for our Mobile.
None offence, no anger, no mood off, Take your time and see what's U need best for yourself.
A BIG STANDING OVATION TO ALL GREAT COOKING CHEFS HERE. and also a big thanks to all members helping this Site.
Here here beautifully put beautyangel.
Peace and love to all trinity owners
I simply don't understand where are the mods to deal with all this mess.. It has become really irritating
There should be a SE LiveView Forum. I bought one when they first came out and it was pretty boring because of no developement. I picked up a new phone and thought I would have another go of the SE LiveView, dig it out of the draw and found out there are some pretty cool plug-ins for them now.
When searching XDA it seems like users ask questions in other sub-forums. I think it all should be in one forum for easy access and help support this little dude.........
And there is currently no forum site regarding it, so it would be good to get a head start.
What you think?
I think it's more of an accessory, And this is a mobile device forum, as in handsets, Although there was a large thread about it in the Accessory forum
Hi
I hope this is ok to post but I also have a liveview and wanted a place dedicated to it
So I have created a site st
Http://www.machman.co.uk/lv
It's a bit lacking content at the moment but obviously it needs members to start to add stuff
Hopefully it can be a good place to find info about the liveview
Sent from my HTC Desire