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Open Letter to XDA Regarding strongsteve

In regards to what happened with strongsteve earlier this evening, I hope that you will come to the realization that you made a mistake. I know that you are attempting to work it out with Steve directly, but that resolution could, and should, be an admission of your misstep and immediate correction of the error.
I don't think anyone on here would argue with your logic in breaking the forums up into general topics. But in this case, the area was gray at best. If all of Steve's users and supporters knew his work and his information to be in the Dev section, what is the harm in leaving it in the Dev section? Instead, you so insulted a great contributor to the point that he felt compelled to shut his project down. I would strongly argue that that is far more harmful than having Steve's work appear in the Dev section of the forum.
I'm not suggesting that the notion of sub-forums be removed. We can't have chaos here. But in the case of something so gray, something so questionable, you made a bad call. Hell, I'm sure it is just a matter of time before this thread gets moved. But I wanted Steve and his supporters to read this, and this is the sub-forum they are trolling.
So I ask you to simply right your wrong. Because if you don't, a great many of us are going to miss out on some fantastic DEV WORK that Steve is doing.

So what I miss?
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locoboi187 said:
So what I miss?
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Mod:
This is clearly a themed ROM - using a base that is a deodexed base of the stock ROM. This is not an Original Development ROM, but is a themed ROM - so it is moved to Themes & Apps. It is entirely appropriate to place themed ROMs in the Themes section.
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Steve:
I will no longer be supporting these roms or developing any more odexed modded roms since they are not considered worthy for the Dev section
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Just read his threads. His work is original development. Go read a dictionary for "develop" ... Jerdog is in the wrong. Taking away CIQ is not a theme either lol. He was the first to have it odexed, it is original
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I can't believe nobody has started to flame this thread for being posted in the Dev section... lmao

SupahDave said:
I can't believe nobody has started to flame this thread for being posted in the Dev section... lmao
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I'm more civilized compared to others when it comes to moving threads. It's the internet,nbd lol
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in b4 lock

Also in regards to "original" development. This isn't the international thread for the galaxy s2. They have separate sections for original development and the other normal development. We have one, it's called development, and the developer was only developing
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just read the thread, and if thats the case, every rom here is a direct copy of samsung/sprint

These guys are rough.
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T.C.P said:
just read the thread, and if thats the case, every rom here is a direct copy of samsung/sprint
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+100000000
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Not to troll but I'm sure this thread will be closed in a few so I'd like to comment about this situation.. I don't know the full jist but I would think that we as a community would do anything in our power to keep these devs happy cause without them we got NOTHING...Well maybe Rootzwiki but Like I just said....NADA!!! So I support Steve all the way!!!

Considering how few roms have been developed so far we should be embracing all that we have. Looking over the thread I can see how this decision by the mods is heavy handed.

What ROM did Steve make?

psych2l said:
Considering how few roms have been developed so far we should be embracing all that we have.
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Agree with this.
one less dev. not cool.

jerdog said:
I think you missed the point here - no one is saying what has been done here isn't worthy - quite the contrary. This is an effort to move things that are original development and separate them from things that are MOD's and Themes. There is a difference between creating a ROM from scratch and theming someone else's work by taking pieces from here and there, making changes and then zipping it up into an update.zip.
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This is ridiculous. Has anyone here made a rom from scratch?!? I'd love to meet a dev who can create their own rom without ANYTHING from samsung and sprint. Steve's odexed roms are top notch and some of the best roms I've used. No los, no problems. As for people who say you can flash separate mods, you can to some extent but I've found even trying to flash the stock kernel to be a pain for some roms. Steve may have used other elements such as the ICS theme but he gave credit for whom it was due and he made one of my fav roms. Leave it in the DEV section!

This is not a school we are grown people that are subpose to make a community of something we enjoy since when did everyone get there panties In a twist and further more I like to see the moderator Dec anything cause last time I check every rom has sprints of base and everey. Rom thread has thank yous to other devs. Tweaks . Let us work together cause if stuff like this keeps happening people are gonna start jumping ship to rootswiki it ppc. And that's my 2 cents VERY DISAPPOINTED XDA!
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ervman1 said:
This is ridiculous. Has anyone here made a rom from scratch?!? I'd love to meet a dev who can create their own rom without ANYTHING from samsung and sprint. Steve's odexed roms are top notch and some of the best roms I've used. No los, no problems. As for people who say you can flash separate mods, you can to some extent but I've found even trying to flash the stock kernel to be a pain for some roms. Steve may have used other elements such as the ICS theme but he gave credit for whom it was due and he made one of my fav roms. Leave it in the DEV section!
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Yes, you can flash separate mods if you are deodexed, but Steve odexed some of those mods that otherwise were only meant to be used on deodexed roms by their original developers. As I understand, he was working on odexing others as well. In addition, the other roms on here include all sorts of mods created by others. The all also give credit where credit is due, Steve included as stated previously.
Please leave Strongsteve's roms in the dev section as he has created the only odexed roms with the goodies we all want to have and was continually adding more as he revised the original mods to be compatible with an odexed rom.

PLEASE!! be nice to Strongsteve's he does deserve the respect..... at the same time I wanna give a shoutout to Strongsteve's for all the great job he has done. I thank you very much.

I totally agree with this and feel they are way off base. I support strongsteve fully.
It takes a lot to admit being wrong but that is what needs to happen here from mods.
It was nice to finally see odexed getting some respect not to mention the dev section for this phone finally getting a good amount of activity.
A good thing has been taken away. Please reconsider.
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What would be the Ultimate ROM ????

What would be the ultimate ROM. If a DEV could have all the Tweaks and Mods in a single flash. All the different lock screens. All the customization's and MODs from our favs. We have some flash addicts here I know. I had the Skyrocket before with a lot of different ROMs. Now that I have the Note 2, I've tried a bunch. I bet there is a DEV out there who could make the [Everything ROM] One with like I said, a little of all the options. Would Aroma installer be the best way to flash it. Have all the mods and customizing available for you to choose.*Or just choose ALL.... That would be sick......It might be impossible, but then again nothing is here @ XDA.....Love this site.
Thanks to all you DEVs that take the time to make our phones better.!!!!

The ultimate ROM is the one you like the most
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The EVERYTHING ROM
No, I run the SKYNOTE 8 ROM. Its a beast! I just think it would be sick to have a EVERYTHING ROM. With Aroma installer and tons of options. Dont know if it can be done though. I am reading up on making ROMs as we post. I'm the type to stay up all night just to get something to work.

LuckyColdJohnson said:
No, I run the SKYNOTE 8 ROM. Its a beast! I just think it would be sick to have a EVERYTHING ROM. With Aroma installer and tons of options. Dont know if it can be done though. I am reading up on making ROMs as we post. I'm the type to stay up all night just to get something to work.
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If you built one yourself that would be epic:thumbup:
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cdshepherd said:
If you built one yourself that would be epic:thumbup:
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Lol
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Lucky going 2 for 2 closed threads in one day. Lol

The one that can incorporate everything every user and dev and tinkerer can imagine with of course insane battery life and stability.

Im new but know my stuff. I MOD everything...
SlsAustin said:
Lucky going 2 for 2 closed threads in one day. Lol
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Lol. Im not going 2 for 2. I have much respect for this site and just want to be involved you know...

Getting one thread closed that you made earlier.. And then trying to work around the rules by posting another similar thread with a topic that is completely correlated with the now locked thread isn't having respect for the site, nor its users.
Edit: to keep from bumping this thread, I'll reply here.
better yet, buddy, tell me how this thread is showing respect for xda.
Here: for the next time that you have an Off Topic idea that you want to "just throw out there"
You said you came from the i727 forums. If you know anything about that forum, then you know that stupid threads like this aren't allowed. What you learn in one forum, apply to the next that you visit. That's how it's disrespectful.
Take the advice given to you. Build something, find someone to collaborate with, whatever, and then ask what you can do to make it better for the users. This thread stands to put pressure on devs to do more than they already work their butts off doing.

Really
Brad.S. said:
Getting one thread closed that you made earlier.. And then trying to work around the rules by posting another similar thread with a topic that is completely correlated with the now locked thread isn't having respect for the site, nor its users.
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I'm not talking about all the ROMs. Im just throwing an idea out there about the EVERYTHING ROM. A lttle of each liked ROM or an Aroma Installer with a ton of options. Tell me how thats disrespectful. I can see why my first ever post got closed. Dont see that here buddy. Thanks

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Do not open another "Best Rom" Thread again..... they are not helpful........ the 1st post's answer is the right one....... the rom you like .....is the best........
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[Q] Kernel Sticky?

Ok, i am very comfortable flashy roms now to the point where it is second nature. Now, like i use to with the OG epic, i am ready to play with kernels. Is there a sticky anywhere or a place i can go where they are easily found and compared? Thanks in advance and pardon my ignorance if i missed something...

MrEpic said:
Ok, i am very comfortable flashy roms now to the point where it is second nature. Now, like i use to with the OG epic, i am ready to play with kernels. Is there a sticky anywhere or a place i can go where they are easily found and compared? Thanks in advance and pardon my ignorance if i missed something...
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There's only like 4 or five. It's all in the Android Original Development section. That section isn't very...crowded.

Thank you very much. I also just noticed that the goodness rom had them included in their rom!!
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And as The Root said there are very few. Make sure they match your ROM whether it be AOSP or TW.

Also make sure they are for the Sprint GS3, do not flash a kernel that is not specifically for the Sprint variant.
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Thanks all....Im on the KToonez one now...not particularly sure or let alone aware of what it is doing but im using it nonetheless. I have only been using it since about my last post so i guess i will soon find out...

Why is this not a sticky in every sub-forum?

I ran across this in the Nexus 4 Dev forum..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982483
So why is this not the header of every dev section!!! ¡
I know you don't know.. Lol...
So you guys think we should have a similar post?
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Agree
PJcastaldo said:
I ran across this in the Nexus 4 Dev forum..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982483
So why is this not the header of every dev section!!! ¡
I know you don't know.. Lol...
So you guys think we should have a similar post?
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Definitely needed in this forum, seems like a lot of cherry-pickers looking for acknowledgment for cutting and pasting other peoples stuff.

Most roms out there are just cm or aokp with a few tweaks and cosmetic changes or a straight port .....always been that way and always will. Gonna be a real quiet dev section if "copies" weren't allowed. Most are just learning by doing this and sharing....I see no harm in it personally.
If we had more development than we do.....an original dev section and regular dev section may work....like nexus 7 forum for example....but with t989 I think moving roms to general or another dev section isn't necessary.
Just my opinion.
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kj2112 said:
Most roms out there are just cm or aokp with a few tweaks and cosmetic changes or a straight port .....always been that way and always will. Gonna be a real quiet dev section if "copies" weren't allowed. Most are just learning by doing this and sharing....I see no harm in it personally.
If we had more development than we do.....an original dev section and regular dev section may work....like nexus 7 forum for example....but with t989 I think moving roms to general or another dev section isn't necessary.
Just my opinion.
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If you read the post. Those ROMs could go in the general section until they mature past a learning experience.
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PJcastaldo said:
If you read the post. Those ROMs could go in the general section until they mature past a learning experience.
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I read it just fine. And my personal opinion (yes...imho) is that it just mucks up the general section. Let people flash the copy roms if they want...their choice. And like I said....about half the t989 roms would end up there.
I just don't think our dev section is busy enough to be worried about this. Some phone sections definitely need these rules, nexus devices for example....but the t989 dev section is not so packed that I think those roms are muddying the waters much.
Where do you suggest the line be drawn as to what is suitable for dev section? We have cm, slim, aokp, skyrocket ports and other roms being altered slightly and in our dev section.....they aren't hurting anyone...and the guys are learning a lot and sometimes making improvements.....but, are they original works? ? So they will all go to general section?
I guess then, to agree in part, I think an original dev section, and a regular dev section may be a better idea. Again....like the nexus 7 for example.
The noobs get slammed by enough unamed veterans already for not searching hard enough.....putting a bunch of roms in general will just make it messy and worse.
Check out the i9100 general section. A mess if you ask me.
K....sorry for the novel!
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Also....with t989 devs getting new devices and moving on....why not encourage and support the guys just starting out. Let them go at their pace.....they may be the veterans soon as our current top devs move on.
As I said, its the users choice to flash the roms they flash.....what's the difference what section they're in? To me....all roms should be in dev section. Much less confusion.
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kj2112 said:
Most roms out there are just cm or aokp with a few tweaks and cosmetic changes or a straight port .....always been that way and always will. Gonna be a real quiet dev section if "copies" weren't allowed. Most are just learning by doing this and sharing....I see no harm in it personally.
If we had more development than we do.....an original dev section and regular dev section may work....like nexus 7 forum for example....but with t989 I think moving roms to general or another dev section isn't necessary.
Just my opinion.
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Eh, that's not completely true about Nexus forums; there are a lot of Nexus only/original ROMs out. Most newer devices have two dev forums; one for original development (custom kernels, 'original' ROMs, etc.), and the other just 'normal' android development (kangs like stated above).
If you want to see the 'original' ROMs, check out the original dev section.
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android88 said:
Eh, that's not completely true about Nexus forums; there are a lot of Nexus only/original ROMs out. Most newer devices have two dev forums; one for original development (custom kernels, 'original' ROMs, etc.), and the other just 'normal' android development (kangs like stated above).
If you want to see the 'original' ROMs, check out the original dev section.
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I know what you're saying...and I think its a far better idea than putting any roms in general. Just too messy!
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Yeah. I see where your coming from. It would be messy and that may get annoying as well.
But to be honest there is to much leniency in this forum. Dropping straight compiled builds from source "to learn" is not helping the community and is not helping that person learn...
I can build from source and compile that doesn't mean that I know how to build a ROM or that it's a good idea to post them and clutter up the dev section.
I can unzip an already built rom and move some application files around and add some stuff to the build.prop. Does that mean I built a ROM? No. It means that I know how to use WinZip. And definitely should never be in any dev section.
Now I also know some c# , some basic, a little bit C++. Now if I or somebody else use that knowledge to take a pre existing ROM and actually assist in the development or fix problems or issues then that is development and that would belong in the development section.
This is obviously all my opinion. Some of you may agree , some of you may not, some of you might even be one of these people I'm talking about. And this is neither here nor there I simply think everyday dev section should have a sticky like this.
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[Q] Which TW Rom do you believe is the best on AT&T Note II? Why?

I'm just curious and want to hear answers from you guys, what do you believe is the best TouchWiz ROM on the Note II? If you could list your pro's and con's I would greatly appreciate it.
Also, if you're running AOSP Roms, I'd like to hear your reason why you got away from TouchWiz?
Thanks in advance!

The best one is the one that suits your needs best! Why else would there be so many good ones to chose from? Try them and or read about them and find the one that you like. This will be closed soon I'm sure.
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Kreateablaze said:
The best one is the one that suits your needs best! Why else would there be so many good ones to chose from? Try them and or read about them and find the one that you like. This will be closed soon I'm sure.
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Clearly, you didn't read. I am just trying to start a conversation on what ROM you are running and why you like it the most. I'm not asking for myself so that I can flash a ROM.

I happen to like threads like these. I just hate when a bunch are opened. The whole idea that all roms are created equal is the silliest thing I've seen since youth sports that don't keep score. That said some roms are better than others depending on what your looking for.
My favorite thus far has been Wanamlite over in the 7105 forum. Works great on my ATT note. I've been testing out Jedi for the last day or so and it's been good, but I think I'm going back. Things like per app dpi and pie don't interest me at all and that's the only reason why. I lower the dpi all together and use a different launcher, phone, messaging and so on apps. Just like TW for multi-window and S-Pen.

mgianni19 said:
Clearly, you didn't read. I am just trying to start a conversation on what ROM you are running and why you like it the most. I'm not asking for myself so that I can flash a ROM.
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Still doesn't belong here. Your using the word "best" will surely cause a lot of drama and arguing over which is better.
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It works the best for me. ..
Root is okay but no CPU changes, only a GPU overclock....g
I also use the stock kernel. ..g

brandonarev said:
Still doesn't belong here. Your using the word "best" will surely cause a lot of drama and arguing over which is better.
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Exactly . Threads like this are not allowed and im pretty sure all the stickies in each sub forum say so.
There is no best rom other than what suits you.
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All,
"Best Rom" threads are not condoned, they may serve a purpose for the immediate short term, but almost all the time they spiral into arguments about one over another - "Best" is a subjective term.
No more! All users are expected to read and study and flash the ones they are interested in and have discussion in the specific thread(s).
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