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Time to start a campaign

That being, a campaign of Twitter and G+ posts to try and get some form of response from Google about the next OTA for the Galaxy Nexus, or at least some transparency on where they are up to with the release.
I am thinking a hashtag like #NexusOTA

Let's pretend i'm a big person at Android team. I can realease ICS 4.0.5 for you tomorrow, but it'll have nearly same issues as 4.0.3. Do you really want it? I don't.
Next version of ICS will be out as soon as it's ready!

I think what scottatron is saying is why the heck do they take so long...be transparent about at what stage of development they're up to and give us an estimate of when is ready...I mean a the whole premise of a Google phone is the continuing update and support, they can be more open and up front about it
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leonironchef said:
I think what scottatron is saying is why the heck do they take so long...be transparent about at what stage of development they're up to and give us an estimate of when is ready...I mean a the whole premise of a Google phone is the continuing update and support, they can be more open and up front about it
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Pretty much spot on.

I agree, there are enough issues to warrant releases. And some regions have yet to get an OTA release. Seems odd given ICS was intended to simplify development by making it platform independent.

Scottatron said:
That being, a campaign of Twitter and G+ posts to try and get some form of response from Google about the next OTA for the Galaxy Nexus, or at least some transparency on where they are up to with the release.
I am thinking a hashtag like #NexusOTA
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Here's the thing... Either you really care that much about being up to date on 4.0.3/4.0.4 instead of 4.0.2, and you just flash a custom ROM; OR you don't care that much and you should be happy with 4.0.2 and it'll be OTAd as soon as it's ready.
Chill. No one is going to do this and no one will listen. You think that Googlers are going to see a bunch of tweets and be like "omg I guess we should start coding this next OTA release! We'll stop slacking!". Good lord, people...
They're not going to release the OTA until its ready. I'd take a 4.0.4 that's fully baked rather than a 4.0.3 that has some fixes and leaves bugs... and another OTA to 4.0.4 after that to fix the rest.

Didn't they run into more problems by giving ETA's and then missing them?

VaKo said:
Didn't they run into more problems by giving ETA's and then missing them?
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Pretty much. Everyone wants ETA's... until they start giving ETA's that can't be met and/or the ETA's are considered too far in the future.
Pretty much Google will be scolded by whiney kids either way.

martonikaj said:
Here's the thing... Either you really care that much about being up to date on 4.0.3/4.0.4 instead of 4.0.2, and you just flash a custom ROM; OR you don't care that much and you should be happy with 4.0.2 and it'll be OTAd as soon as it's ready.
Chill. No one is going to do this and no one will listen. You think that Googlers are going to see a bunch of tweets and be like "omg I guess we should start coding this next OTA release! We'll stop slacking!". Good lord, people...
They're not going to release the OTA until its ready. I'd take a 4.0.4 that's fully baked rather than a 4.0.3 that has some fixes and leaves bugs... and another OTA to 4.0.4 after that to fix the rest.
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best response ever...
As my friend here said "Good lord, people..." If you must have the latest flash the leaked 4.0.4 and be done with it.
And exactly what are you waiting for in the next release? what major issues do you have with 4.0.2?

Why are you on xda developers if you're not doing anything with your phone? There is plenty of forums that are just about stock nexus and that's where you should be .... I bought this phone for one reason only custom roms and always compatible roms. If I'd be you I'd buy HTC or other Samsung device and than whine for ota
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Xda is a help line didn't you know?
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MattSkeet said:
Why are you on xda developers if you're not doing anything with your phone? There is plenty of forums that are just about stock nexus and that's where you should be .... I bought this phone for one reason only custom roms and always compatible roms. If I'd be you I'd buy HTC or other Samsung device and than whine for ota
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Some people (like myself) chose to buy a Nexus because it offers you the freedom to choose whether or not you want to root/hack/ROM your phone. I primarily bought the Nexus because I was tired of rooting/ROMing being the only option I had to get a near-AOSP experience with the features I wanted.
It's okay to not root, just don't complain about OTAs if you choose not to. Similar to my previous post -- if you care enough to be following 4.0.x releases, you should not complain about the quickness of your OTAs imho. Part of choosing to stay stock is dealing with the OTA release schedule. There are pros and cons to both sides. If you really want OTAs on your schedule, you just have to do the work and manually make it happen.

This is starting to remind me of the Nexus One and the froyo release. People are freaking out because they aren't getting nightly builds from Google.
Grow up.
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Another one star thread, pro.
Just help yourself and root your phone, then we don't have to read these pointless threads.
95% of people here respond as they do because the could care less about OTA's because we install custom ROMs.

now I feel bad for the op.
but to quote meryl streep, whatev.

martonikaj said:
Some people (like myself) chose to buy a Nexus because it offers you the freedom to choose whether or not you want to root/hack/ROM your phone. I primarily bought the Nexus because I was tired of rooting/ROMing being the only option I had to get a near-AOSP experience with the features I wanted.
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That's pretty much why I got a Nexus One and stuck with the brand. While the ROM scene is pretty cool I really can't be bothered to spend my life messing around with my primary phone (got sick of that back in the WinMob days), I'd rather have something which just works and doesn't have a 6 month lag for updates due to OEMs and carriers dicking about with the software. But I like hanging about on XDA because it's the first place I'll hear about OTA's and the first place I'll hear about something which will make me re-think my "can't be bothered with custom ROM's" stance.

Boohoo it'll come when it comes. Just stay calm, relax, and enjoy the beauty of the phone.
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why do u guys think google is just sitting on its ass and not developing. id rather have something finished than something half baked.
4.0 is a drastic new os, it takes time to develop these things.

What Google needs to do for the Nexus lineup is what they do with Google Chrome, they should have a Stable channel a Beta channel and a developer channel that you can pick from for your updates.

These threads are getting annoying. You bothered to make an account on XDA and you bought a Nexus device, ROOT IT.
Also, Google isn't obligated to give you anything but the latest Official version of Android via source, they don't have to give you an OTA and before you go on and say "the nexus program is all about being first" ITS NOT. Its about establishing a standard for manufacturers and developers to build upon not for some end user to ***** and complain about a small revision change that he doesn't have.
You have Android 4.0
No other phone has Android 4.0
SO SHUT UP AND BE HAPPY
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C'ya CM9, I hardly knew ya'!

Quick background about my flashing habits before we begin. My first Android phone was the G2, and I really liked it but wanted something with more power. About a year later I "upgraded" to the Sensation and immediately I was taken aback by how awful Sense is/was. It became my mission to get back to the pure Android feel and so I found the (original) HNS ROMs. Those were great, and that phone lives on today as my wifes primary device. Now I have a Gnex, and my "problem" is that it comes out of the box the way it took me a year+ to get my Sensation so there isnt much I want to change. Roughly 2 weeks ago I decided to flash CM9 to see what all the hype is about, and I can honestly say I dont see what the big deal is. Sure, I can change the governor and modify the LED for specific notifications but as far as I can tell thats about all you can do. Clearly there are other 'under the hood' modifications but none of them are immediately evident to me at least, and so I am about to flash JB.
Am I missing something huge that CM9 does that JB doesnt not? Is my analysis totally off? Let me know if JB is a mistake and if I should have stuck with CM9 in the comments below!

webmaster said:
Quick background about my flashing habits before we begin. My first Android phone was the G2, and I really liked it but wanted something with more power. About a year later I "upgraded" to the Sensation and immediately I was taken aback by how awful Sense is/was. It became my mission to get back to the pure Android feel and so I found the (original) HNS ROMs. Those were great, and that phone lives on today as my wifes primary device. Now I have a Gnex, and my "problem" is that it comes out of the box the way it took me a year+ to get my Sensation so there isnt much I want to change. Roughly 2 weeks ago I decided to flash CM9 to see what all the hype is about, and I can honestly say I dont see what the big deal is. Sure, I can change the governor and modify the LED for specific notifications but as far as I can tell thats about all you can do. Clearly there are other 'under the hood' modifications but none of them are immediately evident to me at least, and so I am about to flash JB.
Am I missing something huge that CM9 does that JB doesnt not? Is my analysis totally off? Let me know if JB is a mistake and if I should have stuck with CM9 in the comments below!
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It doesn't work for you, then ok. Nobody is going to convince you to use a specific ROM. Its YOUR preference and YOUR phone, so do as you please or better yet, make your own ROM the way you want. If you read you would know people like CM9 for its stability.
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Only change governor and led??? Are we talking about the same CM9?
CM9 have way more customization options than that.
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unlvmike said:
It doesn't work for you, then ok. Nobody is going to convince you to use a specific ROM. Its YOUR preference and YOUR phone, so do as you please or better yet, make your own ROM the way you want. If you read you would know people like CM9 for its stability.
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Dont get me wrong, I am not knocking CM9 in any way. However, I can tell you I had zero issue with the stock ICS build my phone came either. I am hoping JB proves to be just as stable.

lol a troll thread it is. nobody are allowed to blame CM. best android community ever! and now AOKP is also emerging. how dare you insult the only dev community that give free support for your device. you dont like it go away and keep it yourself. no need to tell it here. use stock rom and go play outside.
EDIT : ok... but still, whats your point of this thread? you want to try JB then go ahead. and since your stock ICS is working well just stick with it and wait for JB OTA. CM are already working on JB, its gonna be CM10. you dont follow news regularly i suppose... CM9 was started from scratch with no features for your info. and its still in RC! what do you expect....

SocialReject said:
Only change governor and led??? Are we talking about the same CM9?
CM9 have way more customization options than that.
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Agreed, but how many of them are actually useful and not just "cool"? After reviewing every single feature of the ROM I couldnt find anything else I thought was worth while. If you have specific examples please let me know, as I spent hours making the decision to ditch CM9 and I hope I made the right choice.

webmaster said:
Agreed, but how many of them are actually useful and not just "cool"? After reviewing every single feature of the ROM I couldnt find anything else I thought was worth while. If you have specific examples please let me know, as I spent hours making the decision to ditch CM9 and I hope I made the right choice.
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Stock ICS > CM9?
You're delusional.
Jelly Bean would've been a better argument because of project butter.
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SocialReject said:
Stock ICS > CM9?
You're delusional.
Jelly Bean would've been a better argument because of project butter.
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Correct, I am not running JB and I am making the comparison between it and CM9. I personally found nothing unstable in stock ICS however.

lol mate you can always try any roms easily. this is nexus device. you dont have to think long to ditch a rom... and we have nandroid too..

LuffyPSP said:
lol a troll thread it is. nobody are allowed to blame CM. best android community ever! and now AOKP is also emerging. how dare you insult the only dev community that give free support for your device. you dont like it go away and keep it yourself. no need to tell it here. use stock rom and go play outside.
EDIT : ok... but still, whats your point of this thread? you want to try JB then go ahead. and since your stock ICS is working well just stick with it and wait for JB OTA. CM are already working on JB, its gonna be CM10. you dont follow news regularly i suppose... CM9 was started from scratch with no features for your info. and its still in RC! what do you expect....
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Who is "insulting" CM team?? I have used their products for years and I think they do a great job. The purpose of this thread (if you bothered to read it) was to determine if I will be missing any functionality of CM9 by moving to JB. Assuming you are not currently using JB, then I respectfully ask you to move along and comment elsewhere. This thread is for people who have used both ROMs, and can comment about the differences. Please troll elsewhere LuffyPSP.

Not yet having a Nexus, I can see how CM9 wouldn't be such a big deal since you're coming from AOSP already. But for those of us running manufacturer-skinned-and-bloated devices, CM9 is really amazing. Lets us basically run Nexus software on better hardware.

leppo said:
Not yet having a Nexus, I can see how CM9 wouldn't be such a big deal since you're coming from AOSP already. But for those of us running manufacturer-skinned-and-bloated devices, CM9 is really amazing. Lets us basically run Nexus software on better hardware.
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You nailed it right there, and that was the premise of my first post. Coming from a Sense "enhanced" device the AOSP experience was priceless and amazing. However once you are already running a pure Google experience (stock ICS ona Gnex) there is much less to improve upon. Hence my movement from CM9 to JB, and hence the thread you are now reading. Some people here need to relax and have a civil discussion (not you, some of the others)!

Was this thread really needed? Cm9 is a great rom remember what your parents should of told you if you have nothing good to say then do not say anything at all. So shhhh

Travisdroidx2 said:
Was this thread really needed? Cm9 is a great rom remember what your parents should of told you if you have nothing good to say then do not say anything at all. So shhhh
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Wow, I guess we are back in kindergarten or something? I never once said a single negative thing about CM9. This thread is to discuss what features CM9 lacks that JB has, or the other way around. Do people even bother to read the thread before they chime in?

everybody is entitled to their opinion. And a ROM preference comes down to just that.
(without comparing features and what-not)
CM is living history in the world of Android development, specifically custom ROMs. I ran CM back on my original Droid when Koush first ported it (having to come up with ClockworkMod Recovery just to be able to do so, so that's one big thing that came about as an indirect result of CM). But Cyanogen was the first one to build a ROM from source, something that was a LOT harder back when he started. Many of Android's features were found in his ROMs first. While you may prefer this ROM or that, you should know that the CM team's impact on the android development community is only surpassed by Google itself (and it's by a narrow margin IMO). The CyanogenMod team is absolutely legendary and deserves more respect than that
as far as comparing CM9 to JB, it's apples to oranges. You won't see a CM JB ROM until source is released, that's how they work. And even still, it'll be a while before they get their ROM compiled, stable, and feature-packed

Came across this thread by accident... I think the users here was misled by the thread title... Anyway, i get what youre saying though about running aosp stock and cm9... You feel like youre not missing anything when running stock... Im not sure about stock ics but i think CM9 have alot of under the hood tweaks compare to stock... They may not be noticable to see but they are there hidden in codes ... May i say enhance in coding... Maybe wait for CM10, the wait will be worth it
Edit: apologize in advance if i misunderstood you
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Different folks different strokes. Glad you tried both and chose the one that works for you. Nothing wrong with stock.

martonikaj said:
Different folks different strokes. Glad you tried both and chose the one that works for you. Nothing wrong with stock.
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The post that nailed it all.
I enjoy stock. Nothing wrong there. I enjoy CM9. Nothing wrong there. I don't enjoy AOKP. Nothing wrong there.

52brandon said:
You won't see a CM JB ROM until source is released, that's how they work. And even still, it'll be a while before they get their ROM compiled, stable, and feature-packed
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I remember when you would see CM before you would see the official ROM from Google... that was back during the G1 days... ah good times... Back then, he would release a basic rooted ROM then work out the extra features and bugs as he went along... but of course back then there was only one Android device, (and later only two or three) so it was easier.
The proliferation of different Android devices has really slowed down the CM development cycle. We are just now seeing a RC for CM9 and JB is already out in the wild.
CM has really influenced Android development as a whole... many features that come stock in Android today were first done by CM and then adopted into AOSP. I remember when Google Devs were asked at a press conference about specific features for a specific device... and they said "We won't do them, ask Cyanogen." Those guys have a lot of respect for Cyanogen, even way back when he worked on his own, and now he heads a huge team of Devs that rivals Google's in house team. (if not even larger)
There are a lot of little features that CM does that AOSP still doesn't and even others do not. Adjusting auto brightness settings are one I really like (especially on AMOLED screens) and also the color balance controls that help correct colors on AMOLED. There are other little tweaks and settings that you can do... and lots of code tweaks. Google must try to balance many aspects (performance/battery/multiple devices/differing hardware) with their code, but CM can focus on certain performance goals (in regards to all the mentioned aspects) and each version can be tweaked for its target device more than AOSP.
Basically CM is making AOSP the best it can be on the supported devices.

Marine6680 said:
I remember when you would see CM before you would see the official ROM from Google... that was back during the G1 days... ah good times... Back then, he would release a basic rooted ROM then work out the extra features and bugs as he went along... but of course back then there was only one Android device, (and later only two or three) so it was easier.
The proliferation of different Android devices has really slowed down the CM development cycle. We are just now seeing a RC for CM9 and JB is already out in the wild.
CM has really influenced Android development as a whole... many features that come stock in Android today were first done by CM and then adopted into AOSP. I remember when Google Devs were asked at a press conference about specific features for a specific device... and they said "We won't do them, ask Cyanogen." Those guys have a lot of respect for Cyanogen, even way back when he worked on his own, and now he heads a huge team of Devs that rivals Google's in house team. (if not even larger)
There are a lot of little features that CM does that AOSP still doesn't and even others do not. Adjusting auto brightness settings are one I really like (especially on AMOLED screens) and also the color balance controls that help correct colors on AMOLED. There are other little tweaks and settings that you can do... and lots of code tweaks. Google must try to balance many aspects (performance/battery/multiple devices/differing hardware) with their code, but CM can focus on certain performance goals (in regards to all the mentioned aspects) and each version can be tweaked for its target device more than AOSP.
Basically CM is making AOSP the best it can be on the supported devices.
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exactly. Hell, I think CM is the sole reason I even joined this forum when theming my D1 after Koush ported CM on another forum (I think alldroid or something like that initially). I remember the first experiments with JIT, and wow it was a ***** to get onto the D1 lol. I can't wait to see them play with JB when source drops. Cyanogen is your favorite developer's favorite developer

CyanogenMod 7 Project

Hi guys,
So for the past week I think I have at least wiped/flashed/Odin'd different ROMs for my new Captivate Glide at least a hundred times. I've finally settled on thegreatergood's LiteROM 0.9.0 and it's working great for me. Not only the one ROM though as I've had to find many workarounds for different things. Flashables/kernels/apks you name it. Although I have no regrets and I'm really proud of how It's like a beast in my pocket, I am quite bothered by one thing which is that the whole thing feels like a big piece of patchwork..
Coming from a HTC Desire Z running CM7 serving me loyally for many years, I miss that officiality (<-- oops, red snakes.. not sure that's a word. Whatever. Shakespeare made his own words too right? ) and the stability that CM7 offered.
I'm a humble man, and possibly carry the apologetic traits of a typical Canadian. Instead of whining and/or nagging some senior developer to hurry up on their ICS or JB development I've decided to build my own CM instead.
However some thought, I think the reason why the JB based experimental CM 10.1s for the Captivate Glide have been a difficult task is because it's probably quite a challenge to build something from something that's not currently very well understood, namely the JB. So I thought, why not just build I nice and stable ROM based off of GB and if it does well it could probably officiated as a CM7 port for the Captivate Glide.
I have a feeling that this is a very plausible task. But I have no way to do it alone.. I have zilch experience in development in anything, had to drop out of my C++ course and have been doing nothing but lurking and leeching since I started modding when I was eleven. All I have is a vision. If someone could point me in the right direction or even form a development team with me, I would be very grateful.
And if this goes well, I will have gained some long overdue experience
So.. Anyone?
P.S. I guess this goes in this forum too. But my phone gets real angry when I flash certain things onto it. The biggest issue currently is that it will freeze and crash (more specifically the screen will freeze and fade into white lines..) whenever I try to use ClockWorkMod Recovery.. I dunno if the crappy 1500 mAh China battery I got ripped off with is an issue but I'm waiting on an OEM one in the mail..

Post in general not development bub...
And were on cm 10. Why fall back?
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I intend to turn it into development thread. But will have a better audience over General?
And maybe see it more like an educational project with a usuable product?
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hey bud im with you ... though I think CM9 would be better as ICS has been released, stable, and has a few more tweaks and features that CM7 didn't ... things like in JB where we have a transparent notification pull down, control over the dpi of certain apps etc.
First thing you should do is readup on the compile cm10 from source thread, get your feet wet there it'll get you all setup with a development system .. Linux is a must so I hope that you're savvy in the *nix shell or things will be antagonistic right off the start ...
I installed the CM9 recently and radio etc didn't work .. Guaranteed there is tonnes of information across all devices on xda-developers and even in general development threads.
Scroll through these forums, find the github links and learn how to setup your own, download the sources for the kernels from the other devs (theres a couple CM10.1s out there).
CM7 .. while I appreciate where you're coming from as i LOVED having CM7 on my Galaxy ACE - everything just worked... battery was great, it looked cool, and it was just off the stock enough to be unique and rub in iPhone users' faces
If I had the time I'd take it on with you .. chart your work and links that have helped you as you go along.

maybe he say that, because the glide have GB and ics officialy and not JB, so, if i understand what he say, maybe a romCM based y that version can be more stable, and less bugs, i was thinking about a CM9 too. But, if i remember correctly, it must create a device tree and a lot of thing, but i am not sure becausea never do a rom.

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maybe he say that, because the glide have GB and ics officialy and not JB, so, if i understand what he say, maybe a romCM based y that version can be more stable, and less bugs, i was thinking about a CM9 too. But, if i remember correctly, it must create a device tree and a lot of thing, but i am not sure becausea never do a rom.
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CM9 is based on ICS 4.0.4 ...
Check this link, not for our device but it offers some good insight to CM7 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273718
Another one for CM9 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20844007
.... maybe I should just build a linux VM and give it a go in my spare time .... we're so starved for developers for our glides even amateur contributions can't hurt .... in the 2nd link the guy said it took him 11 months to learn how to mod for ICS from no experience so ..... depends on how much you want to commit to it ..

yohan4ws said:
CM9 is based on ICS 4.0.4 ...
Check this link, not for our device but it offers some good insight : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273718
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yes, i know that, and i was thinking that a cm9 (because there is a ics fully working in the glide) can be a good option, but not sure

This doesn't belong here, please, some mod, move this to General. Thanks

chrisyjwai said:
I intend to turn it into development thread. But will have a better audience over General?
And maybe see it more like an educational project with a usuable product?
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Flagged to be moved to general. If this turns into a dev thread, then you can flag to move it to the dev section, but you only post in the dev sections if you actually have a product or are actively working on something.
Your intentions seem great, but never wait for someone else to help you, otherwise it will never get done. No one is going to carry you through learning this.
There's a ton of guides out there on how to build, port, cherry pick CM commits, etc. etc. Go find them and start learning. Ask SPECIFIC questions if you have any.
No one shows up to college on day 1 and says I'd like to learn how to be a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, journalist, etc. There's a lot of steps in between. So go and get started.

gtmaster303 said:
No one shows up to college on day 1 and says I'd like to learn how to be a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, journalist, etc.
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That doesn't make any sense.... lots of people show up to college and say that, and then enroll in the courses to do that ..

I feel like expressing myself about the roms and kernels available right now for S3;

I've been around since cyanogenmod was just another rom along with bugless beast and whatever the hell was running things on eclair/mytouch and ive compiled kernels hundreds of times back when slackware linux 3.5 was out so i feel like im somewhat of a vet and i appreciate the fact that i have a nice little linux device permanently connected to a broadband connection with so much support in a neat little package.
=)!
and yet i never say anything on XDA i just appreciate... unfortunately i cant post in the development forum because i dont say much ;/
big thumbs up to cyanogenmod for taking their work so seriously and being so persistent, you guys must really love what you do, trust me i know the feeling =]
i just got this phone last week and before i did anything i rooted and installed the latest CM with whatever kernel appealed to me in the dev forum and i thought seriously my screen was defective i had no idea it was just a rom/kernel issue so im glad that over with.
i updated to cm22, and the flicker started again when using the 4/20 KT kernel so ill just stick with cm20 +kt420 for now what an unbelievable combo!
and i'm kinda disappointed in AOKP every time i check the AOKP/task thread somebody is always complaining about something that doesn't work... AOKP used to be my favorite. (when the ICS days began atleast.. i loved it on my gnex)
and by the way... to people having problems flashing between kernels, when you flash a kernel, wipe cache/dalvik, then flash the rom again, then gapps, then the new kernel. kernels include more things than just addition lines of code nowadays and thats the simplest way to work around most issues i see people posting about.
that is all!

Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.

task650 said:
Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.
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+1, agreed.
Just like the guy who wants to request a theme for a rom, that morphology has for that same rom.
READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coming from the skyrocket which had a pretty good community I am really pleased with what developers do in their spare time and decide to share when it comes to this device.
There are so many options it can keep a flash junkie busy for a while.
Keep up the great work devs!
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I love these threads....I have an idea: If you are disappointed why don't you step up and create a solution or make your own ROM? Its easy to complain about FREE work when you don't contribute whatsoever.

True, don't complain about something people spend all their time on and give away for free ...
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We have a large dev community compared to many devices out there. I actually came from a galaxy nexus because I got bored of only aosp roms that were all pretty much the same.

(sorry, had to do it )

Tasks AOKP is by far the best ROM out there for the AT&T S3. I have run it longer than any other ROM i've tried and have had absolutely zero problems with it. I will never use anything else for this phone. Just my personal experience of course.

Whoaa guys ease up on the bashing... OP had only one sentence in his post that was negative everything else was positive.
I think everyone appreciates the hard work and time that devs put into all the different roms/kernels available out there.

Up until the late, I can agree that the 3.4 kernel builds (for any ROM including Tasks) weren't all that great which is why I was using CarbonROM with the BMS kernel (3.0).
But I updated to Tasks 4/23 and everything has been great...super super smooth.

Tasks updated kernel has been smooth. I'm running his newest now, flashes it a few hours ago and love it. The devs for the S3 are wonderful. So many more options than other android phones I've had in the past.
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If I'm reading right, OP is disappointed in AOKP and Task's AOKP.... and hasn't tried them yet?
It takes me longer to download a ROM than it does to flash it, restore data and check out all the main features for functionallity..... and you're calling them out by name without trying them?
Gutsy move.

Nothing wrong with AOKP and we have a fantastic aosp community. They seem to be more active then the original development. If anything I'm disappointed with the lack of touchwiz ROMs. All and all. We have a good community and a good group of developers here. /end thread.
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This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back

3rd party ROMs are always works in progress. its not like anyone here is hiding the fact that these are all "in development". not all ROMs are "for" everyone, but that's the beauty of it, there's a flavor for everyone.
I personally prefer ROMs that are subtle improvements to the stock experience which give me a more enhanced version of what Samsung intended. BUT, there are times I'll think about getting a nexus 4, so I'll run a aosp/cm/aokp based ROM while scratching that itch. or those days I wished I had a note 2, we've got options with multi window and page buddy fully working.
if you don't like it, don't use it... simple as that. I've never critisized a ROM or developer if I don't "get" their work, that just means its not a good fit for me and I move on.

andy55 said:
This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back
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Here you go, enjoy!

Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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blaker13 said:
Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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Huh?
1.) Looks as though you forgot something as simple as reading. Read my post again. If you consider any of that one post as bashing then I think you might need to check the emotional state you are in at the time that you read it.
2.) You're definitely not reading the OP. He pretty much stated that he hasn't even tried the ROM before judging it. That right there speaks for itself.
3.) Please do yourself a favor and grow up a little. Stirring up the pot with the highschool antics doesnt accomplish anything.
4.) Gold stars for you dude. Keep on contributing this wasteful drama here in a development site. That makes a ton of sense.

[Q] Developers

Our community seems small. How many developers do we have?

I'm getting ready to release my first ROM for this phone.
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Our community seems small. How many developers do we have?
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More than enough. Not really small. We just don't have 30 copies of the same ROM like most lol.
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cstrife999 said:
More than enough. Not really small. We just don't have 30 copies of the same ROM like most lol.
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This^ Previous phone was the GNex and it was unbelievable how many variants and kangs there were for CM10, AOKP, etc. I ran a lot of them but in the end there wasn't all that much that was different from the original rom. In a lot of cases, the variant ran worse.
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Quality is always better than quantity
Like was mentioned above, some phones have 200 Rom threads, but really what's the difference between the Rom? They (aosp variants) are 90% cm based with varying mods pulled from aokp source with pa stuff as well
Really, no disrespect intended those 3 aosp roms are all that matter as everything else is just mashed up and derivative of them
As for sense, you only really need a few roms as well; something stock for those who only want root and a few basic mods, some kind of aroma Rom with user configurable options, and or a rom with a lot if built in mods (well you don't need them lol)
Really imo if you have 5 or 6 roms that meet the above criteria you are set
Unless you have a need to flash a different rom every day that has 1 more bs script or 1 different mod in it
The end user doesn't always see the forest from the trees

I agree with what has been said already. Quality is better than quantity... My old S2 had about 194873 ^6 worth of different roms. Touchwiz this and AOSP that and don't forget the AOKP, with CM and a side of Sense ports. In the end I dropped myself on a really good rom called The Blu Kuban which was headed up by rujelus22 over in the Epic 4g Touch development forum. I ran that rom for about 18 months before I nix'd my device and went over to the red side here at Verizon. I heard he went forth to the S4 and has kept that rom's traditions alive. He was one dev who was helped by the many and made a rom that many made their daily drivers just like I did.
I know we have a good community over here as well as even before beaups dropped rumrunner on us we had a few devs tinkering with their roms.
Now remember! A community is only as good as the people around it. Support your devs any way you can if it's simple donations or a click of the thanks buttons. But most of all, be part of the community. List the bugs you find in the roms, mods, and tweaks. Help the devs make the best they can and we all prosper.

I'd still like to see old Sense on this phone. Like Sense 3 or 4.
I'd also like to see a CM variant built off Sense base. Like the old style ROMs that had all full Sense apk compatibility but no Sense launcher. Not sure if this is doable with Sense 5 though.
And last but not least, hopefully a dev will pick up Ubuntu Touch.
Just a daydreamin' wishlist.. lol

Can't port old sense to new hardware. Plus the old stuff was lower resolution.
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tylerlawhon said:
Can't port old sense to new hardware. Plus the old stuff was lower resolution.
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you could port sense4+ to this phone (someone did it on the intl one) as the kernel base is the same (3.4.x)
dont know why you would really want to, but its possible

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Quality is always better than quantity
Like was mentioned above, some phones have 200 Rom threads, but really what's the difference between the Rom? They (aosp variants) are 90% cm based with varying mods pulled from aokp source with pa stuff as well
Really, no disrespect intended those 3 aosp roms are all that matter as everything else is just mashed up and derivative of them
As for sense, you only really need a few roms as well; something stock for those who only want root and a few basic mods, some kind of aroma Rom with user configurable options, and or a rom with a lot if built in mods (well you don't need them lol)
Really imo if you have 5 or 6 roms that meet the above criteria you are set
Unless you have a need to flash a different rom every day that has 1 more bs script or 1 different mod in it
The end user doesn't always see the forest from the trees
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Consumer choice is always a win. I'd kill for a thread with five million views and fifty three thousand replies. Developers in different sections have had months to build their own form of paradise. Android Revolution HD has fullSnapdragon 600 (GPU) rendering. I want to try that.

Reefer Madness said:
Consumer choice is always a win. I'd kill for a thread with five million views and fifty three thousand replies. Developers in different sections have had months to build their own form of paradise. Android Revolution HD has fullSnapdragon 600 (GPU) rendering. I want to try that.
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thats a bs mod that requires the deleting of a lib (and does nothing)
the end user might enjoy that, real developers know the work done in roms and can sort out the differences between fancy features in a changelog and real code changes and development
views and posts have nothing to do with the work that go into a rom....you can have a thread that explodes because it has a leaked version of sense, a large user base of a rom that drives discussion and hypes upcoming releases, massive bug issues that require help and dicussion, new hboots or firmware needed to run new updates and so on
thread views and # of posts, as well as individual member post count and thanks count is really deceptive and a TERRIBLE barometer of worth in the development community
the best and most important kernel, rom, root exploit, recovery and so on developers that exist in the android world often have a relatively low post and thanks count, whereas guys who release stock deodexed roms made with a rom kitchen in cygwin have tens of thousands of posts and thanks which leads new users and even more experienced ones to inflate their value and skillsets
developers can generally sort out whos who amongst themselves, but its unfortunate that the end user often cant; usually through no fault of their own

nitsuj17 said:
thats a bs mod that requires the deleting of a lib (and does nothing)
the end user might enjoy that, real developers know the work done in roms and can sort out the differences between fancy features in a changelog and real code changes and development
views and posts have nothing to do with the work that go into a rom....you can have a thread that explodes because it has a leaked version of sense, a large user base of a rom that drives discussion and hypes upcoming releases, massive bug issues that require help and dicussion, new hboots or firmware needed to run new updates and so on
thread views and # of posts, as well as individual member post count and thanks count is really deceptive and a TERRIBLE barometer of worth in the development community
the best and most important kernel, rom, root exploit, recovery and so on developers that exist in the android world often have a relatively low post and thanks count, whereas guys who release stock deodexed roms made with a rom kitchen in cygwin have tens of thousands of posts and thanks which leads new users and even more experienced ones to inflate their value and skillsets
developers can generally sort out whos who amongst themselves, but its unfortunate that the end user often cant; usually through no fault of their own
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Perhaps you should stick to answering the questions you were asked. In any case, it would be smarter to back a winning horse.

Reefer Madness said:
Perhaps you should stick to answering the questions you were asked. In any case, it would be smarter to back a winning horse.
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Not to start a war, but I'm going to give you benefit of doubt you probably don't know him. What he said is true.. And you probably just proved his point too.
His work on other devices is proof of that. Give it time, we will see more options now that the crowd is turning more s-off.
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Reefer Madness said:
Perhaps you should stick to answering the questions you were asked. In any case, it would be smarter to back a winning horse.
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He did .. You must have not read it...
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cstrife999 said:
He did .. You must have not read it...
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Here I was thinking it was truly reefer madness...lol
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dottat said:
Not to start a war, but I'm going to give you benefit of doubt you probably don't know him. What he said is true.. And you probably just proved his point too.
His work on other devices is proof of that. Give it time, we will see more options now that the crowd is turning more s-off.
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I know what he said is true and I don't care. CPU vs GPU. That interests me.