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[Q] Is the DHD Dev threads dying

I've been noticing a lot of ROM's not updating. And recently the ICS port from the RCMix Sensation has been stopped and closed. Is their still hope, or is it time to upgrade to a newer phone.

Not sure what you consider alot, but I.just glanced in the Dev section and quite a few have had updates of within the past two weeks(I counted 10 +). That seems pretty active to me
Plus just because a rom hasn't been updated recently doesn't mean its not being worked on

fielddb said:
I've been noticing a lot of ROM's not updating. And recently the ICS port from the RCMix Sensation has been stopped and closed. Is their still hope, or is it time to upgrade to a newer phone.
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Not updating doesnt mean that they (devs) are not working anymore, It means that their ROM doesnt have any bugs or problems and is stable and doesnt require any changes.
Thats what most of the ROM devs will say.

Hmmm a question thread that was not posted in the Q&A forum?
Ill move it this time

You'd consider buying a new phone just because (some) threads on a forum aren't experiencing a massive amount of traffic in a holiday period?
*facepalm*

Not considered a question because it also what you think.. is it dying or not.
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I understand what u mean and I would say yes
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It only dies if people allow it. It has become far to common that people wait for others do it instead of learning to do it themselfs. If you want something cool and new dig in and make something new. That is the point of a development forum to help others learn and share tips. Developers are not special. They just have the drive to make their device theirs.

I had another read of the op, like the ics sense is coming back, I've been working on it and other things, in a way dhd is dying and in a way it isnt if that makes sense, alot of new devices gets released n when that happens everyone usually wants something new and cool, devs want to develop on a newer phone see what it can handle performance wise etc
If I'm still here when sense 4.0 drops then yeah I'll most likely be bringing it to DHD first (as thats the phone I have)

Yea i totally agree with what you are saying zelendel

shaky156 said:
I had another read of the op, like the ics sense is coming back, I've been working on it and other things, in a way dhd is dying and in a way it isnt if that makes sense, alot of new devices gets released n when that happens everyone usually wants something new and cool, devs want to develop on a newer phone see what it can handle performance wise etc
If I'm still here when sense 4.0 drops then yeah I'll most likely be bringing it to DHD first (as thats the phone I have)
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i have a question for you shaky.
i was following your thread, and i did notice that you were postponing it. but you completely got rid of the thread. why is that?

fielddb said:
i have a question for you shaky.
i was following your thread, and i did notice that you were postponing it. but you completely got rid of the thread. why is that?
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The thread is still there, you just can't see it
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hide and go seek is not fun on the internet

Haha its not like its fully stopped, I'm working on it along with other things
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Patience is a virtue

Y2KoaS said:
Patience is a virtue
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Seems that many people consider that virtue to be terribly overrated.

dannorth said:
Seems that many people consider that virtue to be terribly overrated.
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your reply is a total win!

patience friends as you may see surprises in the dhd threads and i know there is some poor people who cant afford a new phone as a matter of fact there is a lot of devs working hardly not to mention that there is a whole new devices who attrack people more from our beloved dhd we have a great team working like the CM team some dev did abondan us maybe but there is others coming and in a large choice of phones u wont expect regular updates this is not iphone this is android everyday new phones are released not to mention how hard a dev work could be and evantually the updates includes updates off apps so it sounds unecessary but we here are brothers and we can work together and most important is to wait you will never know whats comming regards my friends

Ahh its not dieing..the desire section which i used to have is still banging away
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marsdta said:
Not sure what you consider alot, but I.just glanced in the Dev section and quite a few have had updates of within the past two weeks(I counted 10 +). That seems pretty active to me
Plus just because a rom hasn't been updated recently doesn't mean its not being worked on
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Exactly.
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new official gapps released for 4.2.2 (20130301)

new official gapps released for 4.2.2 (20130301) http://goo.im/gapps

I don't know why this excited me but it did lol. Thanks.

gpgorbosjr said:
I don't know why this excited me but it did lol. Thanks.
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It excited you because we love flashing zips
Flashaholics
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zephiK said:
It excited you because we love flashing zips
Flashaholics
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Lol! I really liked your answer.

where were these pulled from? can u post original link? please!
eh nevermind should read official cm google apps

HTCore said:
Lol! I really liked your answer.
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Oooh what is that? A shiny ZIP?!?!? I MUST FLASH
.. lol, I get in the habit of flashing nightlies even though its 1 day after and it happens to be 2-3 lines of changed code. Whatever, no big deal! I must flash
Personally for me, I don't like ROM/Kernels or apps that don't get updated frequently. It bothers me and makes me think that the dev is lazy. Always on the go

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Personally for me, I don't like ROM/Kernels or apps that don't get updated frequently. It bothers me and makes me think that the dev is lazy. Always on the go
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That's pretty harsh don't you think? There's Roms made by teams that have many people working on same code while others may work alone and not have the time to build a ROM everyday. Not to mention they do this for free in their own spare time. And really post their work to share with others. Not to make others happy. But hey every one has their opinion I guess. Some people feel the devs are here only for them and feel the Dev must build to make them happy.
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That's pretty harsh don't you think? There's Roms made by teams that have many people working on same code while others may work alone and not have the time to build a ROM everyday. Not to mention they do this for free in their own spare time. And really post their work to share with others. Not to make others happy. But hey every one has their opinion I guess. Some people feel the devs are here only for them and feel the Dev must build to make them happy.
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Not harsh at all. Its my own personal opinion because I LIKE to flash ROMs. I have ADHD when it comes to ROMs, I always want something new. I dont care if its the same ROM relabeled with a new date, I'll take it. Franco, one of the most popular kernel devs for the N4 pushes out updates to his kernel every other day while maintaining a full-time job. Its doable, I'm not saying every dev needs to follow his footsteps by any means. I just like flashing stuff.
Yes there are roms made by teams such as CM, AOKP, whatever it may be. All of those ROMs are open sourced and OTHER people kang their ROMs to release a unofficial nightly such as fitsnugly' jellybro and unofficial AOKP releases that are being pushed out on a day-to-day basis.
So no, I'm not being harsh at all. If no one tests the "unofficial nightlies" and tell the devs "hey man there are bugs in here, here and here" with logs. Then that would be a problem and would make it harder for them to release a stable build leading to a LONGER release of a stable release for users who dont want to flash something everyday.
My concept of 'lazy devs' still applies. Would you want to buy a app that hasn't been updated for months and months when there is another competing app that does the same thing that updates frequently? A such example is the famous, Falcon Pro twitter client. Why buy something else when this guy updates his apps all the time? It just means he is commited and really cares about his app.
Same thing when it comes to buying a phone. Do you want a phone by Samsung, LG, Motorola where the manufacturer takes AGES to update their phone? Heck no, that's why we got Nexus devices, so we get updates DIRECTLY from Google themselves. Is that being harsh to Samsung/Motorola/LG? No.

Thanks man!
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zephiK said:
Not harsh at all. Its my own personal opinion because I LIKE to flash ROMs. I have ADHD when it comes to ROMs, I always want something new. I dont care if its the same ROM relabeled with a new date, I'll take it. Franco, one of the most popular kernel devs for the N4 pushes out updates to his kernel every other day while maintaining a full-time job. Its doable, I'm not saying every dev needs to follow his footsteps by any means. I just like flashing stuff.
Yes there are roms made by teams such as CM, AOKP, whatever it may be. All of those ROMs are open sourced and OTHER people kang their ROMs to release a unofficial nightly such as fitsnugly' jellybro and unofficial AOKP releases that are being pushed out on a day-to-day basis.
So no, I'm not being harsh at all. If no one tests the "unofficial nightlies" and tell the devs "hey man there are bugs in here, here and here" with logs. Then that would be a problem and would make it harder for them to release a stable build leading to a LONGER release of a stable release for users who dont want to flash something everyday.
My concept of 'lazy devs' still applies. Would you want to buy a app that hasn't been updated for months and months when there is another competing app that does the same thing that updates frequently? A such example is the famous, Falcon Pro twitter client. Why buy something else when this guy updates his apps all the time? It just means he is commited and really cares about his app.
Same thing when it comes to buying a phone. Do you want a phone by Samsung, LG, Motorola where the manufacturer takes AGES to update their phone? Heck no, that's why we got Nexus devices, so we get updates DIRECTLY from Google themselves. Is that being harsh to Samsung/Motorola/LG? No.
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Everyone has their opinion! Just think calling a dev lazy cause he didn't push updates every day so you can satisfy your ocd is retarded. And that's my opinion. There's a difference in pushing updates to improve something and pushing updates every day to satisfy people with ocd. But hey if that's how you feel good for you bud.
By the way you said you think devs that don't update their Roms or apps FREQUENTLY are lazy. Not months and months. So IDF course I'm not going to be happy with an app that hasn't been updated in months and months. But that's not what you said at first.
Just FYI nightly's are not for people to post bugs. They're exactly for people like you who like to flash every day. That's why you can not post about bugs using a nightly
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maddoggin said:
Everyone has their opinion! Just think calling a dev lazy cause he didn't push updates every day so you can satisfy your ocd is retarded. And that's my opinion. There's a difference in pushing updates to improve something and pushing updates every day to satisfy people with ocd. But hey if that's how you feel good for you bud.
By the way you said you think devs that don't update their Roms or apps FREQUENTLY are lazy. Not months and months. So IDF course I'm not going to be happy with an app that hasn't been updated in months and months. But that's not what you said at first.
Just FYI nightly's are not for people to post bugs. They're exactly for people like you who like to flash every day. That's why you can not post about bugs using a nightly
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I'm not calling a dev lazy because he doesn't push updates every day. I'm talking about devs who leave their works unmaintained and their projects abandoned (LauncherPro.... hello? bunch of people paid for his launcher and the project was left abandoned without any word from the developer). I don't care whether it is a ROM/Kernel/something I bought... I want whatever I'm using to be maintained. I used Rasbeanjelly and that ROM wasn't updated every other day. I like unofficial releases (kangs) of ROMs for particularly CyanogenMod & AOKP.
My point still stands, the majority of us on Nexus devices use Nexus devices for the device to be maintained by Google, not Samsung/LG/HTC/Motorola... because WE LIKE UPDATES AND NOT having to wait 6-7 months after a new Android release to be updated by the manufacturer without any promises that our device will get that particular update. So if I call HTC lazy for not updating all their phones to the newest reiteration of Sense you're going to be offended? No. All of us like update and a sense of being in good hands by having updates, same idea applies to operating systems. Windows.... if Microsoft never updated their OS then we'd have a lot of security problems. Antivirus? .... not updated very often with new virus definitions, you're not in good hands.
I'm not OCD. I just like to FLASH stuff and experiment with my phone. If you want to slam punches over the internet then PM me. Don't try and hijack the thread by trying to bash me because I simply like to flash ROMS/KERNELS/mods/themes on XDA. For some of us, it is a hobby. So if you are going to try and harass me over the internet because flashing stuff is a hobby of mines then you're pretty pathetic by starting a fight over the internet.
Nightlies aren't meant to be posted for bugs, but if they're visible, you go ahead and post them. Especially if its a critical bug, at the end of the day. Nightlies are like "free alpha testers" for your work. In most professional cases, you have to pay people to test your work. The more people "alpha / beta testing" your work ---> faster stable release for the people who want something that is stable. People do post bugs, its apart of the whole system of a nightly. You post on their bug reporter. Bug reports are accepted as long as it includes a sort of logcat, kmsg, etc. It varies on what ROM/kernel you're using.
There are different types of flashers on XDA: 1) Ones that want to flash things just for a stable phone 2) Ones that are the hardcore Android enthusiasts that ALWAYS want the newest and latest. 3) Ones who are just here that want to stay on stock and just come here for the conversation as it is a popular Android forum and do very minimal things to their phone (stock ROM, custom kernel). If you're going to bash a different flasher then you have some serious mental problems.
I don't understand why you're punching blows at me because I PERSONALLY like to flash stuff and don't like to stay on ROMS/KERNELS that rarely get updated. Keep at this and using offensive language and I'll end up ignoring you + reporting you on XDA for calling me a "retard." Not cool.

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I'm not calling a dev lazy because he doesn't push updates every day. I'm talking about devs who leave their works unmaintained and their projects abandoned (LauncherPro.... hello? bunch of people paid for his launcher and the project was left abandoned without any word from the developer). I don't care whether it is a ROM/Kernel/something I bought... I want whatever I'm using to be maintained. I used Rasbeanjelly and that ROM wasn't updated every other day. I like unofficial releases (kangs) of ROMs for particularly CyanogenMod & AOKP.
My point still stands, the majority of us on Nexus devices use Nexus devices for the device to be maintained by Google, not Samsung/LG/HTC/Motorola... because WE LIKE UPDATES AND NOT having to wait 6-7 months after a new Android release to be updated by the manufacturer without any promises that our device will get that particular update. So if I call HTC lazy for not updating all their phones to the newest reiteration of Sense you're going to be offended? No. All of us like update and a sense of being in good hands by having updates, same idea applies to operating systems. Windows.... if Microsoft never updated their OS then we'd have a lot of security problems. Antivirus? .... not updated very often with new virus definitions, you're not in good hands.
I'm not OCD. I just like to FLASH stuff and experiment with my phone. If you want to slam punches over the internet then PM me. Don't try and hijack the thread by trying to bash me because I simply like to flash ROMS/KERNELS/mods/themes on XDA. For some of us, it is a hobby. So if you are going to try and harass me over the internet because flashing stuff is a hobby of mines then you're pretty pathetic by starting a fight over the internet.
Nightlies aren't meant to be posted for bugs, but if they're visible, you go ahead and post them. Especially if its a critical bug, at the end of the day. Nightlies are like "free alpha testers" for your work. In most professional cases, you have to pay people to test your work. The more people "alpha / beta testing" your work ---> faster stable release for the people who want something that is stable. People do post bugs, its apart of the whole system of a nightly. You post on their bug reporter. Bug reports are accepted as long as it includes a sort of logcat, kmsg, etc. It varies on what ROM/kernel you're using.
There are different types of flashers on XDA: 1) Ones that want to flash things just for a stable phone 2) Ones that are the hardcore Android enthusiasts that ALWAYS want the newest and latest. 3) Ones who are just here that want to stay on stock and just come here for the conversation as it is a popular Android forum and do very minimal things to their phone (stock ROM, custom kernel). If you're going to bash a different flasher then you have some serious mental problems.
I don't understand why you're punching blows at me because I PERSONALLY like to flash stuff and don't like to stay on ROMS/KERNELS that rarely get updated. Keep at this and using offensive language and I'll end up ignoring you + reporting you on XDA for calling me a "retard." Not cool.
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Oh my bad forgot we can't use the word retarded to describe something someone does or says anymore. My bad! Report me to who ever you want dude. Just like your adamant about having your opinion so am I!
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Is this just for the nexus or can i use this on an aosp rom on a different phone
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hiz99 said:
Is this just for the nexus or can i use this on an aosp rom on a different phone
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It is not just for the nexus.
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Is the camera app has potosphere and panorama features ?

james300 said:
new official gapps released for 4.2.2 (20130301) http://goo.im/gapps
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what makes these "official", as opposed to the 03/04/2013 gapps that im flashing?

Does anyone know if there has been an inverted set of the new gapps released anywhere. I always keep my eye out for them and usually an update to an inverted app project pops up. I just have not seen one that is based on the new gapps yet (and they usually are pretty quick getting them inverted).
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When using the new gapps zip along with cm10 m2 build , I keep getting doubles of photo frame and photo table under daydreams. Is this common for anyone else ? A Google didn't turn up what I was looking for.

CyanogenMod 7 Project

Hi guys,
So for the past week I think I have at least wiped/flashed/Odin'd different ROMs for my new Captivate Glide at least a hundred times. I've finally settled on thegreatergood's LiteROM 0.9.0 and it's working great for me. Not only the one ROM though as I've had to find many workarounds for different things. Flashables/kernels/apks you name it. Although I have no regrets and I'm really proud of how It's like a beast in my pocket, I am quite bothered by one thing which is that the whole thing feels like a big piece of patchwork..
Coming from a HTC Desire Z running CM7 serving me loyally for many years, I miss that officiality (<-- oops, red snakes.. not sure that's a word. Whatever. Shakespeare made his own words too right? ) and the stability that CM7 offered.
I'm a humble man, and possibly carry the apologetic traits of a typical Canadian. Instead of whining and/or nagging some senior developer to hurry up on their ICS or JB development I've decided to build my own CM instead.
However some thought, I think the reason why the JB based experimental CM 10.1s for the Captivate Glide have been a difficult task is because it's probably quite a challenge to build something from something that's not currently very well understood, namely the JB. So I thought, why not just build I nice and stable ROM based off of GB and if it does well it could probably officiated as a CM7 port for the Captivate Glide.
I have a feeling that this is a very plausible task. But I have no way to do it alone.. I have zilch experience in development in anything, had to drop out of my C++ course and have been doing nothing but lurking and leeching since I started modding when I was eleven. All I have is a vision. If someone could point me in the right direction or even form a development team with me, I would be very grateful.
And if this goes well, I will have gained some long overdue experience
So.. Anyone?
P.S. I guess this goes in this forum too. But my phone gets real angry when I flash certain things onto it. The biggest issue currently is that it will freeze and crash (more specifically the screen will freeze and fade into white lines..) whenever I try to use ClockWorkMod Recovery.. I dunno if the crappy 1500 mAh China battery I got ripped off with is an issue but I'm waiting on an OEM one in the mail..

Post in general not development bub...
And were on cm 10. Why fall back?
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I intend to turn it into development thread. But will have a better audience over General?
And maybe see it more like an educational project with a usuable product?
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hey bud im with you ... though I think CM9 would be better as ICS has been released, stable, and has a few more tweaks and features that CM7 didn't ... things like in JB where we have a transparent notification pull down, control over the dpi of certain apps etc.
First thing you should do is readup on the compile cm10 from source thread, get your feet wet there it'll get you all setup with a development system .. Linux is a must so I hope that you're savvy in the *nix shell or things will be antagonistic right off the start ...
I installed the CM9 recently and radio etc didn't work .. Guaranteed there is tonnes of information across all devices on xda-developers and even in general development threads.
Scroll through these forums, find the github links and learn how to setup your own, download the sources for the kernels from the other devs (theres a couple CM10.1s out there).
CM7 .. while I appreciate where you're coming from as i LOVED having CM7 on my Galaxy ACE - everything just worked... battery was great, it looked cool, and it was just off the stock enough to be unique and rub in iPhone users' faces
If I had the time I'd take it on with you .. chart your work and links that have helped you as you go along.

maybe he say that, because the glide have GB and ics officialy and not JB, so, if i understand what he say, maybe a romCM based y that version can be more stable, and less bugs, i was thinking about a CM9 too. But, if i remember correctly, it must create a device tree and a lot of thing, but i am not sure becausea never do a rom.

lorddavid said:
maybe he say that, because the glide have GB and ics officialy and not JB, so, if i understand what he say, maybe a romCM based y that version can be more stable, and less bugs, i was thinking about a CM9 too. But, if i remember correctly, it must create a device tree and a lot of thing, but i am not sure becausea never do a rom.
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CM9 is based on ICS 4.0.4 ...
Check this link, not for our device but it offers some good insight to CM7 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273718
Another one for CM9 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20844007
.... maybe I should just build a linux VM and give it a go in my spare time .... we're so starved for developers for our glides even amateur contributions can't hurt .... in the 2nd link the guy said it took him 11 months to learn how to mod for ICS from no experience so ..... depends on how much you want to commit to it ..

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CM9 is based on ICS 4.0.4 ...
Check this link, not for our device but it offers some good insight : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273718
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yes, i know that, and i was thinking that a cm9 (because there is a ics fully working in the glide) can be a good option, but not sure

This doesn't belong here, please, some mod, move this to General. Thanks

chrisyjwai said:
I intend to turn it into development thread. But will have a better audience over General?
And maybe see it more like an educational project with a usuable product?
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Flagged to be moved to general. If this turns into a dev thread, then you can flag to move it to the dev section, but you only post in the dev sections if you actually have a product or are actively working on something.
Your intentions seem great, but never wait for someone else to help you, otherwise it will never get done. No one is going to carry you through learning this.
There's a ton of guides out there on how to build, port, cherry pick CM commits, etc. etc. Go find them and start learning. Ask SPECIFIC questions if you have any.
No one shows up to college on day 1 and says I'd like to learn how to be a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, journalist, etc. There's a lot of steps in between. So go and get started.

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No one shows up to college on day 1 and says I'd like to learn how to be a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, journalist, etc.
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That doesn't make any sense.... lots of people show up to college and say that, and then enroll in the courses to do that ..

I feel like expressing myself about the roms and kernels available right now for S3;

I've been around since cyanogenmod was just another rom along with bugless beast and whatever the hell was running things on eclair/mytouch and ive compiled kernels hundreds of times back when slackware linux 3.5 was out so i feel like im somewhat of a vet and i appreciate the fact that i have a nice little linux device permanently connected to a broadband connection with so much support in a neat little package.
=)!
and yet i never say anything on XDA i just appreciate... unfortunately i cant post in the development forum because i dont say much ;/
big thumbs up to cyanogenmod for taking their work so seriously and being so persistent, you guys must really love what you do, trust me i know the feeling =]
i just got this phone last week and before i did anything i rooted and installed the latest CM with whatever kernel appealed to me in the dev forum and i thought seriously my screen was defective i had no idea it was just a rom/kernel issue so im glad that over with.
i updated to cm22, and the flicker started again when using the 4/20 KT kernel so ill just stick with cm20 +kt420 for now what an unbelievable combo!
and i'm kinda disappointed in AOKP every time i check the AOKP/task thread somebody is always complaining about something that doesn't work... AOKP used to be my favorite. (when the ICS days began atleast.. i loved it on my gnex)
and by the way... to people having problems flashing between kernels, when you flash a kernel, wipe cache/dalvik, then flash the rom again, then gapps, then the new kernel. kernels include more things than just addition lines of code nowadays and thats the simplest way to work around most issues i see people posting about.
that is all!

Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.

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Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.
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+1, agreed.
Just like the guy who wants to request a theme for a rom, that morphology has for that same rom.
READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coming from the skyrocket which had a pretty good community I am really pleased with what developers do in their spare time and decide to share when it comes to this device.
There are so many options it can keep a flash junkie busy for a while.
Keep up the great work devs!
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I love these threads....I have an idea: If you are disappointed why don't you step up and create a solution or make your own ROM? Its easy to complain about FREE work when you don't contribute whatsoever.

True, don't complain about something people spend all their time on and give away for free ...
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We have a large dev community compared to many devices out there. I actually came from a galaxy nexus because I got bored of only aosp roms that were all pretty much the same.

(sorry, had to do it )

Tasks AOKP is by far the best ROM out there for the AT&T S3. I have run it longer than any other ROM i've tried and have had absolutely zero problems with it. I will never use anything else for this phone. Just my personal experience of course.

Whoaa guys ease up on the bashing... OP had only one sentence in his post that was negative everything else was positive.
I think everyone appreciates the hard work and time that devs put into all the different roms/kernels available out there.

Up until the late, I can agree that the 3.4 kernel builds (for any ROM including Tasks) weren't all that great which is why I was using CarbonROM with the BMS kernel (3.0).
But I updated to Tasks 4/23 and everything has been great...super super smooth.

Tasks updated kernel has been smooth. I'm running his newest now, flashes it a few hours ago and love it. The devs for the S3 are wonderful. So many more options than other android phones I've had in the past.
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If I'm reading right, OP is disappointed in AOKP and Task's AOKP.... and hasn't tried them yet?
It takes me longer to download a ROM than it does to flash it, restore data and check out all the main features for functionallity..... and you're calling them out by name without trying them?
Gutsy move.

Nothing wrong with AOKP and we have a fantastic aosp community. They seem to be more active then the original development. If anything I'm disappointed with the lack of touchwiz ROMs. All and all. We have a good community and a good group of developers here. /end thread.
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This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back

3rd party ROMs are always works in progress. its not like anyone here is hiding the fact that these are all "in development". not all ROMs are "for" everyone, but that's the beauty of it, there's a flavor for everyone.
I personally prefer ROMs that are subtle improvements to the stock experience which give me a more enhanced version of what Samsung intended. BUT, there are times I'll think about getting a nexus 4, so I'll run a aosp/cm/aokp based ROM while scratching that itch. or those days I wished I had a note 2, we've got options with multi window and page buddy fully working.
if you don't like it, don't use it... simple as that. I've never critisized a ROM or developer if I don't "get" their work, that just means its not a good fit for me and I move on.

andy55 said:
This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back
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Here you go, enjoy!

Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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blaker13 said:
Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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Huh?
1.) Looks as though you forgot something as simple as reading. Read my post again. If you consider any of that one post as bashing then I think you might need to check the emotional state you are in at the time that you read it.
2.) You're definitely not reading the OP. He pretty much stated that he hasn't even tried the ROM before judging it. That right there speaks for itself.
3.) Please do yourself a favor and grow up a little. Stirring up the pot with the highschool antics doesnt accomplish anything.
4.) Gold stars for you dude. Keep on contributing this wasteful drama here in a development site. That makes a ton of sense.

ART Runtime - good or gimmick?

I know most people are probably still using either 4.3 or maybe even 4.1.2 but for any of you who are using KitKat, have you tried using ART runtime for any length of time? If you have, have you seen any benefits and/or negatives? I know there are going to be apps that don't work well with it but haven't been brave enough to try it for myself yet.
Over on the Nexus 7 forums there are people who are claiming using ART is getting them a few extra hours worth of use, I wonder if that will translate to our S3?
I also don't know enough about it yet to know if there are any potential negatives to trying it?

You don't really need a new thread for this. There is tons of information out there, much on these forums that will tell you everything you want to know about ART.

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Crespo,
OK. Let me rephrase, I'm not asking about art in general. I know there are a lot of sources explaining it but I've searched and haven't found anything specific to my t999 tmo s3. In reading threads of specific devices it seems like the results are device specific, that's the reason I made the thread. If the only thing you have to say is 'why did you make this thread' then why bother responding at all?

I've tried it with my s3 and I felt it was more responsive and smooth in doing specific tasks comparing it to dalvik, but I never run aosp/cm too long to test the battery usage between the two
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If you want to see performance of ART on T999, Flash a 4.4.x rom and see for yourself.
Personally, what @ktoonsez said is good enough for me.
ktoonsez said:
I think most people realized that 70% of the apps in the world dont work on FART. Personally I like my cache scent free so no FART for me :good: :highfive:
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kingston73 said:
Crespo,
OK. Let me rephrase, I'm not asking about art in general. I know there are a lot of sources explaining it but I've searched and haven't found anything specific to my t999 tmo s3. In reading threads of specific devices it seems like the results are device specific, that's the reason I made the thread. If the only thing you have to say is 'why did you make this thread' then why bother responding at all?
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Alright I'll admit, you're right.
Thus, in that case. What I have to say now is: why don't you just try ART for yourself and see if you like it. How hard is that?
Also, to be 100% honest, the main reason I posted here is because I'm finally sick of not being able to post in the dev forums - this is my 10th post. Hallelujah.

I hear what you're saying about the low post count, not great to only read and not respond.
As for trying it myself, I did after posting this and I don't know if its my phone or the rom I'm using but when I selected art and it rebooted it went through the boot animation and then stayed on a black screen. I don't know if I didn't wait long enough or what happened. On my nexus it reboots and then takes a long time to optimize the apps but it never rebooted to a blank screen. I'm not trying it again so I guess in the end this really was a pointless thread. Maybe when google gets to android 5.0 it'll be working.

kingston73 said:
I hear what you're saying about the low post count, not great to only read and not respond.
As for trying it myself, I did after posting this and I don't know if its my phone or the rom I'm using but when I selected art and it rebooted it went through the boot animation and then stayed on a black screen. I don't know if I didn't wait long enough or what happened. On my nexus it reboots and then takes a long time to optimize the apps but it never rebooted to a blank screen. I'm not trying it again so I guess in the end this really was a pointless thread. Maybe when google gets to android 5.0 it'll be working.
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With all the searching you claimed to have done, how'd you not come across any literature that states you need the correct version of gapps for ART to work?

I am sorry you had issues. I use SlimKat with KT747 Kernel. I had no issues switching back and forth until cows come home. (Yeah gotta reboot each time.)

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With all the searching you claimed to have done, how'd you not come across any literature that states you need the correct version of gapps for ART to work?
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Using pa gapps, same as I'm using with my nexus and they work fine. I'm using cyanfox rom so not sure if its the rom or my specific phone. You're new here but you really aren't helping much .

"You're new here but you're not helping much?" Are new people supposed to be the biggest help? I don't get that one
But hey man don't be mad at me because YOU'RE the one who's been around the block, yet you make a thread that is basically the same as someone making a thread about nightlies just to complain that it's broken.
I guess I should say to you: you've been here a while but YOU aren't helping much.
See that would make sense because someone who's been here a while knows better than to make a thread for a silly question like this. That's all I'm saying.
But anyway. Good luck with all that. Wish I could help but I'm new here guys.
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