* How to Root N1705 UK Version without voiding warranty? (flash counter etc) - Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi all,
Sorry for the noob question. I've been looking at root guides but am quite confused.
Firstly, most of the root guides are for N1700 and specific carrier variants, like T-mobile, AT&T etc.
I have a UK N1705 LTE model but I can't seem to find any guides on how to root it. Anyone know of any guides for the N1705 LTE model? It's unlocked.
Also, I don't want to void the warranty as I've already sent it in once for a fault so I would like to keep the warranty intact.
Furthermore, can someone please explain the different parts of the rooting process, like what is CWM recovery etc.
Willing to make a PayPal donation as my Note 2 is not feeling smooth anymore and I want to install either the Wanamlite Rom or the Jedi Rom. But people also take it a step further and install things like "red pill kernel" what is a kernel? Does it make the ROM better. I'm looking for a good root so I can speed up the Note 2 whilst keeping all the stock note 2 features intact but I want to mod the themes a bit and also connect a PS3 controller wirelessly which requries a root.
Thanks!

Anyone?

Try this it is what I used. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2032849

Myself author of above said thread by colint.
just read post #2 & 3 of above said thread, you will find answer to all your queries, though you can post there if you have any confusion.

colint3 said:
Try this it is what I used. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2032849
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Myself author of above said thread by colint.
just read post #2 & 3 of above said thread, you will find answer to all your queries, though you can post there if you have any confusion.
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Thank you for your replies.
I'll post back in a week, just sent off my note 2 to samsung as I think the sim card reader is gone. Good thing I didn't root last night.
Also, I've heard horror stories about how people have rooted/installed ROMs etc but have lost their IMEI numbers/baseband etc, how can I prevent this?

1st thing to do after rooting is 'EFS Backup'
I have wrote this in bold red color, but still ppl never care to read and later suffers.

dr.ketan said:
1st thing to do after rooting is 'EFS Backup'
I have wrote this in bold red color, but still ppl never care to read and later suffers.
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Ok, so an EFS backup basically backs up IMEI, baseband etc?
Is there anything else I need to backup? I use the Note 2 kinda like a tablet and am going to keep Apps on the SD card so I don't mind if I lose contacts, messages etc.

thanks
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Try this it is what I used. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2032849
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thanks

My own opinion is that rooting does very little to speed anything on the Note 2. All it does is create headaches with backups and restore every time there is a new version of the rom. Unless you need a very specific feature for root (like colored LEDs, camera mute, etc..) I would stay away. My Note 2 was awesome until I rooted it, then the force close, force restart, and battery drain starts. If it is performance you after, try uninstalling some of your bloatware by disabling it from Application Manager. Root will not speed up the note 2 much at all. Another thing to consider is disabling the animations in developer options.

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I want to root my phone, I want to put something on it that allows me to change things like the icons on the status bar etc. I just read a thread about something that can do that and much more. I also miss titanium backup and other things root gives me access to. I'm not new to rooting, I have read a lot on it I'm just scared to pull the trigger on anything. My worry is, when I rooted my Charge and original Motorola DROID all the time, I was in the states and there was no confusion on what rom or kernel to use. Now I'm back in Australia and have an international Note II, 3g version. I'm not sure which rom or kernel I should be using and I really don't want to brick this phone. I ordered the phone off Kogan.com. I'm not sure if I have a HK version of the phone or what? If anyone has the time I'd really appreciate a simple answer on which rom and kernels are suitable for my phone.
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Ghetto_Cowgirl said:
I want to root my phone, I want to put something on it that allows me to change things like the icons on the status bar etc. I just read a thread about something that can do that and much more. I also miss titanium backup and other things root gives me access to. I'm not new to rooting, I have read a lot on it I'm just scared to pull the trigger on anything. My worry is, when I rooted my Charge and original Motorola DROID all the time, I was in the states and there was no confusion on what rom or kernel to use. Now I'm back in Australia and have an international Note II, 3g version. I'm not sure which rom or kernel I should be using and I really don't want to brick this phone. I ordered the phone off Kogan.com. I'm not sure if I have a HK version of the phone or what? If anyone has the time I'd really appreciate a simple answer on which rom and kernels are suitable for my phone.
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I use wanamlite 2.0 (which is updated to 2.2 nowadays), and redpill kernel. No cpu of gpu overclock, battery is good, stable and fast.
wipe data/cache/dalwik suggested before flashing those...
For rooting simply use note2 toolkit. Root, install supersu, install busybox.
You can find all stuff within the forum..
Thank you for the straight forward answer, ill look into those more now
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Here is guide to root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1896696
Read post#2
I recommend method 3, that will give you root with just installing a simple apk file from mobile only.
Thank you, that was extremely easy with Option 3

[Q] Rooting help neaded for note2

hey guys im new 2 android community... ive a galaxy note 2 GT-N7100 International version bought in India. Recently ive been thinkin 2 root my device for various mods like copyin/ installing games on memory card etc... so i wanna know wat software should i use 2 mod my device?? Also i wanna know if its safe??? Ive heard that rooted devices leads to void of warranty... is that true???
thanks in advance....
You should use the wonderful Note2 ToolKit, found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1923956
Yes, rooting it voids your warranty. But you can flash back a stock ROM and unroot if you need to take your phone in for service.
All modifications have risks. Though rooting probably won't break your phone, an user error on your part just might, or malicious code might. You can never know that! You have to be careful and use your best judgment. Rooting is basically like logging in to a computer with an administrator account, you can change all the system settings and as a result you can really screw up your system if you are not careful.
I'm just saying all that to clarify that if you do root your device and mod it, have an accident and screw something up, it's your own fault. You need to always keep that in mind.
When you download the toolkit, the first thing you need to do is:
1) EFS backup
2) Full Nandroid backup
Do those two things first, then do whatever you want. If you have EFS and Nandroid backups you have a safety net in case something goes wrong later on.
Also: read, read, read. Read every single Note II guide and FAQ you can find here on XDA.
Read post #2 and 3 of this thread (though 1-9 all posts are informative for newbies)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1896696

Recommendation: root and ROM?

Hello all. I just ordered a Note 2 which I've yet to receive. My goal is to have a rooted, stable running phone. I've read through LOTS of threads and am trying to figure out where to start.
Is this the best method to root or should I not accept the latest update and go another method? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2118348
Should I flash a ROM or just run stock. If ROM, any recommendations?
Sorry for the noob questions...
First of all which Note 2 do you have? N7100 (international) or the carrier ones?
Thank you for your reply. I bought the Verizon model.
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I would not recommend you to flash a rom if you need a stable phone.
My Note 2 is the only Android device I've owned that I didn't feel compelled to root.
My suggestion is that you run in bone stock a couple of weeks, and then see if you feel you really need to root.
Regards,
Dave
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gsjjiq said:
I would not recommend you to flash a rom if you need a stable phone.
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Flashed my Note 2 within 30 mins of buying it. Stable as a rock, no problems whatsoever.
Flashing roms doesn't lead to instability. Over tweaking perhaps does. Personally I like to run ad blockers, change my dpi and personalise my interface and remove bloatware...
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liquidguru said:
Flashed my Note 2 within 30 mins of buying it. Stable as a rock, no problems whatsoever.
Flashing roms doesn't lead to instability. Over tweaking perhaps does. Personally I like to run ad blockers, change my dpi and personalise my interface and remove bloatware...
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That sounds good. What did/do you use?
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That sounds good. What did/do you use?
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I use monx's Rom.. you need to root first. Look up the necessary posts on rooting, read them then read them again. Backup. Read some more.... the process can seem intimidating at first, but you can get plenty of help on these forums. And go slowly and don't forget to backup frequently, so if anything goes wrong you can get back to a state where it was working.
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liquidguru said:
I use monx's Rom.. you need to root first. Look up the necessary posts on rooting, read them then read them again. Backup. Read some more.... the process can seem intimidating at first, but you can get plenty of help on these forums. And go slowly and don't forget to backup frequently, so if anything goes wrong you can get back to a state where it was working.
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Thank you. I've now rooted a couple phones but was wondering what's the best way forward considering the latest updates and locked boot loader? Is the link I posted above the recommended course of action or should I use CF-auto root or other?
yeah flashing means you will most likely void your warranty. not a smart act for a noob like me, at least!
liquidguru said:
I use monx's Rom.. you need to root first. Look up the necessary posts on rooting, read them then read them again. Backup. Read some more.... the process can seem intimidating at first, but you can get plenty of help on these forums. And go slowly and don't forget to backup frequently, so if anything goes wrong you can get back to a state where it was working.
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Also, what recovery is working for you/this phone to flash ROM?
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Also, what recovery is working for you/this phone to flash ROM?
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Personally I use PhilZ Touch 3 Recovery, which works perfectly for me, the roms I've flashed and all the zip files I've used. Instructions for rooting are in post 2. It also works with exFat, so my 64GB SDcard has no problems.
I also use the Perseus kernel, which works well for me.
As was mentioned a couple of posts back, all this does indeed void your warranty. Again for me, this is a non-issue. I'm a brit, living in Indonesia, bought the phone in HK, so any warranty is pretty useless to me.
Have fun
I'm a new user as well and have been fiddling with my n1700 for a few weeks now. Personally I think I know what I'm doing but like the guy said you have to keep on reading on the forums. I flashed Android Revolution HD on my phone 2 days ago. Pretty happy with it. I might flash it again cause im tweaking my battery but it's a pretty stable rom.
liquidguru said:
Personally I use PhilZ Touch 3 Recovery, which works perfectly for me, the roms I've flashed and all the zip files I've used. Instructions for rooting are in post 2. It also works with exFat, so my 64GB SDcard has no problems.
I also use the Perseus kernel, which works well for me.
As was mentioned a couple of posts back, all this does indeed void your warranty. Again for me, this is a non-issue. I'm a brit, living in Indonesia, bought the phone in HK, so any warranty is pretty useless to me.
Have fun
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Thnx! I looked at that thread and wonder what this means: "TL;DR: before flashing aside from known issues in the second post.?" Also, I looked through post 2 and didn't see where the install instructions were located. I see there are zip and tar files; I'm assuming the user can choose between flashing it with ODIN or CWM?
LiquidGuru,
Any chance you could point me to DPI thread? My initial browsing and searches have turned up empty.
Thnx!
grimloktt said:
LiquidGuru,
Any chance you could point me to DPI thread? My initial browsing and searches have turned up empty.
Thnx!
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Changing the DPI on a stock based ROM takes a little work. Initially it's very easy. You edit the build.prop (I use ROM Toolbox Pro). Look for the two instances of ro.sf.lcd_density and change them to your desired DPI (I use 240) and reboot...that's it!! (if only is was that simple...)
Unfortunately not everything likes to play nice at 240DPI, especially the sammy keyboard, camera, multiwindow and dialer. Sooooo..... bala_gamer has made some mods of these apps that you can flash (see this post). I also use the Xposed Framework with the Xposed App Settings mod which allows you to set the DPI for individual apps (there are also many other useful apps that work with the Xposed Framework)...
I worked it all out from reading those threads, asking a few questions. Everything is pretty straightforward, just take your time, backup and make sure your battery is fairly well charged before you started flashing I love my N2, love being at 240DPI and everything set up the way I need it.
Liquid,
Is this the ROM you went with? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2070459
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Liquid,
Is this the ROM you went with? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2070459
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No, that's the CM10 one. [I went with this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33577075 one, the TW based one, which retains all the s-pen etc functionality
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No, that's the CM10 one. [I went with this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33577075 one, the TW based one, which retains all the s-pen etc functionality
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Have you compared against the following ROMs and noted any key differences?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1915036
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2060389
I use stock ROM + root + perseus kernel + XposedFramework.
I don't recommend stock based custom ROMs because most of the time the same features can be archieved with more flexibility using XposedFramework plugins.
As for AOSP-based ROMs such as CyanogenMod, I didn't try these on my Note 2 because it means losing many Samsung features that I like. Also, CyanogenMod for Note 2 is still in development.

[Q] Rooting and ROM

Hello, this is the first time posting on this forum and relatively new on the android platform after jumping ship from blackberry. So, i have afew questions i hope you guys can help me with.
1. I heard/read alot regarding rooting to bring out the full potential of an android(s4) phone. What is the full advantage of rooting my phone? How does granting administrative access affect my phone performance?
2. I often see the jargon of bloatware on this forum, what does it exactly mean?
3. What is the function of ROM?
Sorry if these qns are repeated, please direct me to the answer if it is already present in the forum. thanks
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Still confused between Samsung Galaxy S4 and 10 acres of land in London
Rooting your phone gives you access to do anything you want ie (Apps 2 sd) that the phone dosent permit you to do.
A ROM is just a different feel, and its a faster alternative in upgrading your android ios. (S4 has touchwiz, can change it to Htc Sense)
Bloatware is a bunch of unnecessary apps that Carriers know youll never use but have it just cause. Its annoying and it takes up space. Rooting allows you to delete these apps, cause if its not you wont be able to remove it.
I hope this helped, ask again if you have any more questions.
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I was wondering if there is a sort of rooting guide for dummies out there. I want to root my phone to get rid of some of the bloatware that I will never use, and also to delete the annoying start up and shut down sounds. Other than that, I'm happy with Touchwiz so far, but I suppose adding custom themes would be fun.
I rooted my last phone (Samsung Vibrant) over 2yrs ago and don't remember how I did it. I know I installed a custom ROM, but don't remember how to do that either. I remember following a really good guide with pictures and step by step instructions though. It's early days yet with the S4, but I really hope someone will do the same kind of guide because it's very helpful for those of us who like to customize but don't have the time or knowledge to seriously get into it. When I look at some of the threads on rooting it just seems like a foreign language to me!
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mahgnillig said:
I was wondering if there is a sort of rooting guide for dummies out there. I want to root my phone to get rid of some of the bloatware that I will never use, and also to delete the annoying start up and shut down sounds. Other than that, I'm happy with Touchwiz so far, but I suppose adding custom themes would be fun.
I rooted my last phone (Samsung Vibrant) over 2yrs ago and don't remember how I did it. I know I installed a custom ROM, but don't remember how to do that either. I remember following a really good guide with pictures and step by step instructions though. It's early days yet with the S4, but I really hope someone will do the same kind of guide because it's very helpful for those of us who like to customize but don't have the time or knowledge to seriously get into it.
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Try the motochopper method - the guide is pretty simple and self explanatory however if you're on latest kernel then rooting is a no go as of now
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nikufellow said:
Try the motochopper method - the guide is pretty simple and self explanatory however if you're on latest kernel then rooting is a no go as of now
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Thanks I looked at that and it seems straightforward, but I'm concerned about what to do after the actual root. Things like how to back the phone up in case I mess it up, how to delete things, how to add things. Also I find a lot of the terminology confusing... not quite sure what all the acronyms stand for either, like ODIN or CWM, or what each thing does exactly. This is the kind of thread which would be totally useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849028 (this one is for the Vibrant though, so I think a lot of it would be different on a different device?)
As far as the kernel... as far as I know nothing has been updated. I got the phone on the first day it came out so I'm assuming it doesn't have the latest kernel. How would you find out? Not even sure what the kernel is or what it does :\ I would like to find out though!
^^^then you might be on an earlier kernel version anyway trying to root by motochopper method won't brick your device even if it doesn't go successful so no worries.
ODIN is the same software that service centres use to revive your bricked device - as a matter of fact with Samsung drivers, a usb cable and stock rom downloaded from online sources like sammobile, you can revert almost any instances of soft brick. Simply saying ODIN will flash back factory/stock rom anfd make your device as it was when you bought it. And yeah flashing via ODIN and all are more or less same procedure for all Samsung devices
Cwm is a custom recovery. If you don't know what recovery means it might be worth googling for better understanding the concept as even my knowledge is limited and my explanations might fall short of your expectations
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with regards to rooting my s4 which is running on 4.2.2 jellybean, does motochopper actually brick my phone? In addition, can i root my phone to remove the bloatwares and afterwhich, unroot my phone again, with all the bloatwares already permanently removed? Is it possible to download the full list of softwares of the s4 online such that if i accidentally remove an important software, i will be able to restore it. As I am someone who is not into very much customization and over-clocking, i believe i dont need my phone rooted for custom ROM right? I can use stock ROM when my phone is unrooted and clear of bloatware?
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with regards to rooting my s4 which is running on 4.2.2 jellybean, does motochopper actually brick my phone? In addition, can i root my phone to remove the bloatwares and afterwhich, unroot my phone again, with all the bloatwares already permanently removed? Is it possible to download the full list of softwares of the s4 online such that if i accidentally remove an important software, i will be able to restore it. As I am someone who is not into very much customization and over-clocking, i believe i dont need my phone rooted for custom ROM right? I can use stock ROM when my phone is unrooted and clear of bloatware?
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Steps
#1. Locate GS4 box, place phone inside box.
#2. Return to store and get iPhone.
Serious tho. Best thing you can do is READ. SEARCH and READ. SEARCH and READ.
If you are unsure about something, READ again. Most questions have already been asked and answered.
If you find yourself lost......SEARCH and READ. Believe me this is this most useful advice you will ever get here.
Stuff is so easy now compared to when android 1st started. I remember rooting my G1 on a terminal prompt and installing recovery with wicked long commands. Now everything is automated and the hardest (NOT) part is reading the step by step instructions provided on almost every mod and tweak.
Welcome and goodluck !

New to Rooting.

I've been rooting since OG Evo days, but only played with that, the s2, and s3. Rooting was easy as pie. But with all this knox stuff I'm wary.
I recently read reports of people sending in their phones to both Samsung and tmobile and getting it back with knox restored but still maintaining sim unlocks. So obviously it's a well kept firmware they flash or perhaps signatures.
This in mind I used kingoapp, and root was easy. Just decline the recovery install and you'll maintain 0x0. But after this new information I'm still worried to trip knox for fear those restores we're just a fluke.
Anybody have luck with safestrap? I heard/read it doesn't replace recovery so it also won't trip knox? Also, as long as I don't flash kernels or recovery I'll be good right? Like i can delete bloat or install at root level to /system and I'll be fine?
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Naturesretard said:
I've been rooting since OG Evo days, but only played with that, the s2, and s3. Rooting was easy as pie. But with all this knox stuff I'm wary.
I recently read reports of people sending in their phones to both Samsung and tmobile and getting it back with knox restored but still maintaining sim unlocks. So obviously it's a well kept firmware they flash or perhaps signatures.
This in mind I used kingoapp, and root was easy. Just decline the recovery install and you'll maintain 0x0. But after this new information I'm still worried to trip knox for fear those restores we're just a fluke.
Anybody have luck with safestrap? Also, as long as I don't flash kernels or recovery I'll be good right? Like i can delete bloat or install at root level to /system and I'll be fine?
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As long as you just root it nothing happens system will be fine .... Plssss hit thanksss.....
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pvinayraju2k4 said:
As long as you just root it nothing happens system will be fine .... Plssss hit thanksss.....
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Thanks for the info. However in the future there's no need to request we thank. I've learned most people here on xda thank quite often, myself included.
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Naturesretard said:
Thanks for the info. However in the future there's no need to request we thank. I've learned most people here on xda thank quite often, myself included.
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First off, the above poster is wrong... can't believe he asks for a thank. When you install a custom recovery, that is when you trip Knox. There a method to install a custom ROM w/o a recovery using Mobile Odin Pro. I know nothing about that but have read here that it works. You just can't flash custom kernel. I went ahead and flash a custom recovery because I don't care about Knox and will never send this phone to Samsung for warranty repair.
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First off, the above poster is wrong... can't believe he asks for a thank. When you install a custom recovery, that is when you trip Knox. There a method to install a custom ROM w/o a recovery using Mobile Odin Pro. I know nothing about that but have read here that it works. You just can't flash custom kernel. I went ahead and flash a custom recovery because I don't care about Knox and will never send this phone to Samsung for warranty repair.
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Just the fact most of us have insurance plans; if we discover a problem such as faulty gps or screen displacement, etc, tmobile fixes it for us anyway, right?
So it really doesn't matter if we trip knox, correct???
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Just the fact most of us have insurance plans; if we discover a problem such as faulty gps or screen displacement, etc, tmobile fixes it for us anyway, right?
So it really doesn't matter if we trip knox, correct???
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From everything I read, yes.
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asianflavor said:
First off, the above poster is wrong...
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He's not wrong. There are a couple different methods of rooting that don't require a custom recovery, therefore don't trip Knox.
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From everything I read, yes.
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I guess I shouldn't bother with safestrap then. Was planning on trying to pay off the note 3 and keep it anyway instead of jumping again this year.
Either way it won't matter...until I do eventually get a new handset but even then I know enough about rooting I shouldn't need to repair this one once paid off and detached from my account.
my next question is then should I TWRP or cwm? I tried CWM for the first time since gingerbread on my s3 and fell in love with it
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Hey Nature! just wanted to add my 0.02, ok theres a difference between rooting, and a difference between flashing recoveries,kernels,roms,and what have you.
ill give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely VVoids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i dont encourage the latter. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of the MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get too it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, however there are ways around these things, google and the search bar are you best friends to start, and we can help too.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
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Naturesretard said:
I guess I shouldn't bother with safestrap then. Was planning on trying to pay off the note 3 and keep it anyway instead of jumping again this year.
Either way it won't matter...until I do eventually get a new handset but even then I know enough about rooting I shouldn't need to repair this one once paid off and detached from my account.
my next question is then should I TWRP or cwm? I tried CWM for the first time since gingerbread on my s3 and fell in love with it
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Oh and please i Highly suggest using Philz Touch!
Code:
http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/hltetmo
Thats for the HLTETMO version, which is our versions in this forum, all credit to phil ofcourse, it is basically CWM, but so much more user friendly and advanced with much more options, there are two files there, you obviously want the latest version, and there are two ways to do it, if you download the tar.md5 you must use Odin, and put your phone in download/odin mode, very easily done (turn it off unplug usb and press Home+Vol Dwn+Pwr) then once the screen pops up press Vol Up and then plug the USB in, and follow the instructions of w/e tutorial you are ready, but be very careful in odin mode, if you disturb the phone while its flashing you will most likely brick it, and the .zip is considering you already have a custom recovery and you can just flash it through there.
MasterSe7en said:
Hey Nature! just wanted to add my 0.02, ok theres a difference between rooting, and a difference between flashing recoveries,kernels,roms,and what have you.
ill give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely VVoids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i dont encourage the latter. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of the MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get too it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, however there are ways around these things, google and the search bar are you best friends to start, and we can help too.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
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Oh and please i Highly suggest using Philz Touch!
Code:
http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/hltetmo
Thats for the HLTETMO version, which is our versions in this forum, all credit to phil ofcourse, it is basically CWM, but so much more user friendly and advanced with much more options, there are two files there, you obviously want the latest version, and there are two ways to do it, if you download the tar.md5 you must use Odin, and put your phone in download/odin mode, very easily done (turn it off unplug usb and press Home+Vol Dwn+Pwr) then once the screen pops up press Vol Up and then plug the USB in, and follow the instructions of w/e tutorial you are ready, but be very careful in odin mode, if you disturb the phone while its flashing you will most likely brick it, and the .zip is considering you already have a custom recovery and you can just flash it through there.
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Ty for the explanation. Unfortunately, that is if you took the time to write that or just copied, I knew most if not all of the risks. As I said earlier I've been rooting since gingerbread.
However, it's quite informative and anybody else who is new to rooting shall find it helpful.
Kernels are more or less a bios, if you will. But they are specific to builds. You can't use aosp on tw and vice versa. There are other key features but I can't remember off the top of my head. Basically no kernel =/= no phone or no features such as camera.
You're right about the s4, but if I'm not mistaken it was believed to be an eFuse, as was for the note 3 too. Although other members have said they got it back reset, 0x0, and sim unlocks intact to fix other issues like broken gps. Therefore it is believed to be software at a signature level.
And I'll look into philz, loved it on the s3. If you ever have q's about root feel free to pm me
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Towle said:
He's not wrong. There are a couple different methods of rooting that don't require a custom recovery, therefore don't trip Knox.
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Wow... must have read that post wrong. Been working way too much. Sorry about that but looks like we have some great info added here.
Naturesretard said:
Ty for the explanation. Unfortunately, that is if you took the time to write that or just copied, I knew most if not all of the risks. As I said earlier I've been rooting since gingerbread.
However, it's quite informative and anybody else who is new to rooting shall find it helpful.
Kernels are more or less a bios, if you will. But they are specific to builds. You can't use aosp on tw and vice versa. There are other key features but I can't remember off the top of my head. Basically no kernel =/= no phone or no features such as camera.
You're right about the s4, but if I'm not mistaken it was believed to be an eFuse, as was for the note 3 too. Although other members have said they got it back reset, 0x0, and sim unlocks intact to fix other issues like broken gps. Therefore it is believed to be software at a signature level.
And I'll look into philz, loved it on the s3. If you ever have q's about root feel free to pm me
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ahh nate, i misunderstood, i thought you were new to rooting but just knew some of the basics, but were unclear of some others, but yeh, i typed that all up, no copy and paste here otherwise i would've credited the Author ^_^ but i hope it was Helpful, im sure its plastered and posted evverywhere around here, but maybe ill make a Write up somewhere to clarify things, because when i was learning, everything was scattered and i had to collect all the information.
MasterSe7en said:
ahh nate, i misunderstood, i thought you were new to rooting but just knew some of the basics, but were unclear of some others, but yeh, i typed that all up, no copy and paste here otherwise i would've credited the Author ^_^ but i hope it was Helpful, im sure its plastered and posted evverywhere around here, but maybe ill make a Write up somewhere to clarify things, because when i was learning, everything was scattered and i had to collect all the information.
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You Be Surprised How Often that happens. I'd sticky if I could
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Naturesretard said:
You Be Surprised How Often that happens. I'd sticky if I could
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Hey Nate! **WAVE**
lol well i posted a new thread on it, so i hope it helps the newer guys and it'd be nice if it was stickied, like i said tho, its plastered everywhere around here and on google even, but its nice to try to help my Fellow note 3'ers

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