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Comprehensive list of differences between T-Mobile and Sprint Galaxy S2

Pro's for T-Mobile Galaxy S2:
Generally better data speeds
Generally cheaper plan
GSM, so can use internationally
True Android-native infrastructure tethering after root
No Loss of Service (LOS), a problem afflicting Sprint GS2
No Sound Pool bug, a problem that crashes games afflicting all Exynos GS2
NFC
Wifi calling
USB Host (USB on the go)
Noise cancellation microphone
Con's for T-Mobile Galaxy S2:
Generally less coverage around the country (especially on non-roaming prepaid plans)
Screen suffers from blotches on low-brightness
Slightly slower CPU/GPU
Worse front-facing camera
Runs hotter
Less dev support
No notification LED
Capped data that throttles after plan limits
Edit: This thread was originally about me considering switching from a Sprint GS2 to a T-Mobile GS2. I've now done so, but figured since I drew up such a comprehensive list of differences, might as well keep it around for anyone else that might be curious

read thought this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320942

talltexan said:
read thought this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320942
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Yup, I saw that, weird and disappointing. That's why I have "slightly worse screen" in my list of cons.

manekineko said:
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GSM, so can use internationally, but only at EDGE speeds
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that's not correct
it can get 3G/4G at any GSM internationally
that's the beauty of this version of SGS2 Hercules

manekineko said:
No LOS, a problem afflicting Sprint GS2
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What is LOS? Line of Sight? Left over soup?
I just switched over from Sprint as well. Their 3G has been totally pathetic and borderline unusable for the last 6 months. My T-Mobile speeds are 10+ times faster. I don't know what the SERO plan is, but T-Mobile doesn't have free mobile to mobile calling like Sprint. They only give you free calling from T-Mobile to T-Mobile and their nights and weekends are more restrictive than Sprint.

AllGamer said:
that's not correct
it can get 3G/4G at any GSM internationally
that's the beauty of this version of SGS2 Hercules
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Wow, that is big for me. Thanks for the tip, I hadn't heard the Hercules also has the AT&T bands.

Splaktar said:
What is LOS? Line of Sight? Left over soup?
I just switched over from Sprint as well. Their 3G has been totally pathetic and borderline unusable for the last 6 months. My T-Mobile speeds are 10+ times faster. I don't know what the SERO plan is, but T-Mobile doesn't have free mobile to mobile calling like Sprint. They only give you free calling from T-Mobile to T-Mobile and their nights and weekends are more restrictive than Sprint.
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Loss of Service. It's a problem that comes from the fact that Samsung kind of sucks at making CDMA modems. Sometimes the Sprint GS2 will just lose cell service, and it won't come back until you reboot. I haven't gotten bit by it yet, but it's widespread enough that I feel it's just a matter of time.
The Sprint speeds drive me nuts. In the middle of Manhattan, I see download speeds on 3G of as low as 100kbps on Speedtest.
I'd be going to the T-Mobile $30 prepaid 5GB 100 minute plan, so I wouldn't get any nights and weekends or mobile to mobile I think. The plan's a big downgrade from the numbers I had on Sprint, but the speed improvements and lower monthly fee would balance it out for me. Plus, talking is probably the feature I use least on my phone.

manekineko said:
Loss of Service. It's a problem that comes from the fact that Samsung kind of sucks at making CDMA modems. Sometimes the Sprint GS2 will just lose cell service, and it won't come back until you reboot. I haven't gotten bit by it yet, but it's widespread enough that I feel it's just a matter of time.
The Sprint speeds drive me nuts. In the middle of Manhattan, I see download speeds on 3G of as low as 100kbps on Speedtest.
I'd be going to the T-Mobile $30 prepaid 5GB 100 minute plan, so I wouldn't get any nights and weekends or mobile to mobile I think. The plan's a big downgrade from the numbers I had on Sprint, but the speed improvements and lower monthly fee would balance it out for me. Plus, talking is probably the feature I use least on my phone.
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If your paying $79.99 for sprint tmobile has the same plan for $79.99 with contract 2 gig cab though. if you want 5 gig cap its $89.99. 10 gig cap is $99.99
All those plans have unlimted minutes and texting.

Killbynature said:
If your paying $79.99 for sprint tmobile has the same plan for $79.99 with contract 2 gig cab though. if you want 5 gig cap its $89.99. 10 gig cap is $99.99
All those plans have unlimted minutes and texting.
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I pay 49 for unlimited talk/text and 2 gigs data. Not sure about 79.
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my wife works for tmobile and ill tell you that if you live in a good area then tmobile is definitely worth it and is the best bargain out there , if you travel alot then i dont recommend them,all depends on your lifestyle, most major cities get pretty good tmobile service

mikeyinid said:
I pay 49 for unlimited talk/text and 2 gigs data. Not sure about 79.
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Classic or Value if you don't get subsidize it is much cheaper.

For me:
1. Sprint Galaxy S II phones do suffer from loss of signal. I have noticed this on both Sprint Galaxy S II phone I have. Very very annoying.
2. T-Mobile's version suffers from poor display.
3. T-Mobile's version suffers from poor front facing camera.
Maybe all of these problems can be fixed with a software update. And Samsung will take the time to make this happen. There are no assurances however.
For its part, Sprint has acknowledged the loss of signal problem and has promised a fix. T-Mobile has not yet acknowledged problems with their unit.

Walmart piggybacks off Tmobil.towers
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I dunno what everyone is talking about with the front camera, it's the same resolution as sprint's.

kabuk1 said:
I dunno what everyone is talking about with the front camera, it's the same resolution as sprint's.
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You might have missed this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1326314

Yes, I definitely missed that post. Damn :/
Hopefully it's just a software issue.

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Classic or Value if you don't get subsidize it is much cheaper.
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I'm on a value plan. 99 a month for 2 lines. And I'm in an excellent coverage area. But, 2 gigs is definitely not enough. I blew through half of that on Friday listening to Google music beta
First time I missed sprint since I switched a few months back.
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Has anyone tried USB on the go to plug in a USB stick on the T-Mobile GS2?
They disabled it on the Sprint version for some reason, and am wondering if this is another pro I could add to the list.

Another question that I thought of.
Has anyone experienced lots of random crashing to home screen while playing games? Both the Sprint and international Galaxy S2 suffer from a bug in their sound system that causes certain games to crash all the time. If the T-Mobile one doesn't do that, it'd be a huge advantage.

Former sprint to tmo customer.
as a former sprint customer recently switched over to T Mobile in the NorCal area...
SWITCH TO TMOBILE.
holy ****. i ing hate sprint. i got the evo 3d from them, and right out of the box the first unit was bunk. started power cycling directly AFTER i set everything up and linked my contacts. The 3vo being my first android phone, i didn't know that a randomly restarting phone meant LEMONLEMONLEMON so i hung onto it for a couple days, hoping the issue would fix itself or something.
Called IN ADVANCE when the phone first began having issues to talk to the guy who sold me the phone. Brought it in a week after, after trying everything someone rational would, i.e. battery pull, factory reset, etc. and when i brought the device in i was told by the associate, (yes this is a quote) that he couldn't exchange it but that he could do a "hard hard reset" for me, (after i explained to him it had already been reset every way possible) and send me on my way.
Bear in mind sprint store is 35 minutes away in the next town over, and so this is now taken 2 hours of driving, and still no fully functional phone.
i get home, set everything up again, and boom. Literally as i drag the last icon into place it starts power cycling again.
i call corporate at this point to see if i can ensure an actual replacement on my next trip. i get a vague "probably-ish." sorta answer from them.
when i arrive the next day, there's an associate who was obviously told to expect me as he becomes instantly friendly when i tell him my name and he reads some memo on his screen. I give him my phone, and he hands me the power cord and charger, winking at me and goes "this is for your wasted time. keep it, as a thirty dollar value"
now, like all of you, i'm aware a usb cord and adapter is not worth 30 dollars. However, i was appreciative of the gesture, and i know that sprint really will try to charge you 30 bucks for one of those cords.
After a little wait i'm told the technician got my phone in front of him, and it power cycled in his face. so they replaced it. (finally)
as i'm checking out, back with the original associate who i got the dude phone from 2 weeks before, he's being SUPER surly. Won't look me in the eyes or answer any of the questions i have with more than a grunt or mumble. As he's switching out the new phone with the old, he takes the new charger cable and tosses it in the old box and slides it away from me.
i interrupt him and say "hey, the guy i checked in with said i could keep that."
not even bothering to look up, he shrugs, PULLS IT OUT OF MY HAND, tosses it into the box and closes it and says "nope."
i'm a bit taken aback at this point. incredulously i say, "i was told i would be given that for my wasted time. i was already told that i could have that."
to which he says, still not looking up "htc policy we return em."
at this pont, i'm just ing done dealing with this dude. So i just ask him where the other associate is, so i can work it out with him instead, to which he replies "he went to lunch."
"well...when will he be back"
"dunno."
at that point i walked out. I called about the issue and was given a run around.
anyways. thats ONE of my stories with sprint, in the ing 3 months i was with them. i have MANY MANY more. and their corporate branch is just as bad as the stores, i've been told so many contradicting things by sprint associates on the phone that i have literally found myself saying to them in barely hidden anger "HOW CAN ONE OF YOU TELL ME ONE THING AND THEN THE NEXT GUY AFTER THE TRANSFER SAYS THE OPPOSITE?! are you people even working for the same company?!"
anyways, i've had t-mobile since the release of the galaxy s2, and called in several times to change my features and they have been nothing but friendly informative and helpful. I've heard a bunch of **** talked about how the Tmo version of the GS2 is inferior to the others, but i have faith in the good people on these forums to correct most of those inferiorities which i believe are mostly software issues arising from the Tmo version having a different processor than the other versions.
so yeah sorry for the ungodly long post, but i am another sprint customer recently gone to tmobile and just wanted to share a little bit of my experience. here's a short list of ADDITIONAL pros, and the cons.
PROS.
1. WAY faster data, at least in my area. Went from CRAWLING 3g, and no 4g to being able to torrent via my tether when my cable went out. Achieving 9mbps according to speedtest app, never tested on sprint, but it was browsing speeds, AT BEST. took youtube videos AGES to load. Tmo 4g is about half the speed of my home wifi connection, which is impressive.
2. PRO/CON: better service in populated areas, but service does cut out earlier whenever you drive out into middle of nowhere parts. Also, much more continuity between service and data connection. With sprint, lots of service. Mobile data cuts out LOTS. Tmo data pretty much works until you have no service whatsoever, or at least close to that point.
CONS.
1. QUALCOMM processor instead of the one samsung meant for this device. LOTS of info about what this means as far as detrimental effects on device performance ALL OVER this particular forum.
2. Screen Issues...also, look in this forum.
3. No truly unlimited data plan (best you can get is 5 gb then down to EDGE speeds...which suck.)

Should I move back to Verizon for Android 4.0?

I moved from Verizon to Sprint because of
1) price
2) unlimited data, talk...
3) Samsung Galaxy SII
1) Well, let's say price is ok, unlimited usage is good, but the internet is not as good as Verizon, so I don't use it too much
2) I don't care if I have unlimited everything if the connection is not reliable.
It's BETTER than T-Mobile though (T-Mobile sucks so bad), but it's nowhere NEAR as good as Verizon
3) Phone SUCKS. Today is the first day I FINALLY was able to
a) root phone
b) Fix the signal issue
I went to Sprint and they offered me $100 credit so I can stay with them, and now my phone is fixed, so in theory I feel like giving them another try
With Verizon, the bill was expensive, I do remember in my family, we paid $260 for 1 smartphone and two simple phones, that's ridiculous
Anyway, if I move by myself to Verizon in order to have the Ice Cream Sandwich phone,
1) Is the 2X data offer from Verizon a good offer to come back to the big red?
2) Any chance I can root the phone and not pay for tethering on Verizon?
3) Is that phone a SUPER PHONE that really deserves all the hassle
To be honest, I really like my Samsung, and now that I fixed the loss of signal error (hopefully, first day after I upgraded), I kind of want to use my phone for a while
I really like the phone itself, but again, I have no idea if the other phone is better than mine, and if it is, how much better?

If Verizon still had unlimited data plans and you have the money for that bill, I would say go to Verizon. LTE is awesome! If I ever went to Verizon now, it would be for a non smartphone and I just wanted good phone service/signal. You'll definitely get faster data speeds on Verizon but having a 2GB cap is painful. And with LTE, you're bound to reach the cap faster unless your consistently on wi-fi. Tethering would just hit your data cap even faster. Unless you plan to get a more expensive plan than 2GB ($30 per month). I mean if money isn't an issue I would choose Verizon. But I got a family to feed and I'm good with Epic Touch on Sprint's unlimited data. I happen to get 4G at home and at work. The 3G isn't slow on my phone but it's not special either.
I read that Sprint is planning LTE in the future. We'll just have to see! If they do switch to LTE and KEEP their UNLIMITED DATA & don't jack up prices on the plans, they will get more people coming to Sprint over other carriers.

What phone sucks? If you are referring to the et4g then yeah go get bent by Verizon. This RIG rocks. Also the G nex only has 16GB internal no sd card slot. Wtf I would fill that in about ten minutes. Geesh is ICS that important.

Noo the galaxy nexus has 32g. If u live in a 4g area I say go for it. But then again how much is 4gigs when ur blazing 4g speeds good thing the galaxy nexus has that data limiter! !
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I also read that Sprint will begin rolling out a TD-LTE network next year...supposedly it should be faster than standard LTE so i will be sicking around for It
Thank Me Later said:
If Verizon still had unlimited data plans and you have the money for that bill, I would say go to Verizon. LTE is awesome! If I ever went to Verizon now, it would be for a non smartphone and I just wanted good phone service/signal. You'll definitely get faster data speeds on Verizon but having a 2GB cap is painful. And with LTE, you're bound to reach the cap faster unless your consistently on wi-fi. Tethering would just hit your data cap even faster. Unless you plan to get a more expensive plan than 2GB ($30 per month). I mean if money isn't an issue I would choose Verizon. But I got a family to feed and I'm good with Epic Touch on Sprint's unlimited data. I happen to get 4G at home and at work. The 3G isn't slow on my phone but it's not special either.
I read that Sprint is planning LTE in the future. We'll just have to see! If they do switch to LTE and KEEP their UNLIMITED DATA & don't jack up prices on the plans, they will get more people coming to Sprint over other carriers.
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I love it, sprint is rolling out faster LTE. lol when I hear fanboy comments. That's not a good justification that sprint "will" have LTE. I USED to be a sprint customer, I used it along with my Verizon, then after about 10 days I realized what a mistake I made. At least in my area, 3G was painfully slow, no 4G in sight, and just a bad experience. Idk why sprint went with wimax and how they failed so badly. At the time it was a decent move as it is SOMEWHAT faster than 3G, but still not even as fast as T-Mobile's synthetic 4G. With that said if u want to be able to see INSANE speeds I would make the move back to VZW. I know ill get the whole "pics or it didn't happen" but Verizon can pull 40+MB/s down and up to 50 at time ls and I've seen 20 up. These aren't flukes, it can be replicated. Several times over. I know the argument that sprint has unlimited 4G, but what good is that when its on a network(WiMax) that will be useless in the next 18 months? Agreeing with and above poster it will be insanely easy to blow thru 4GB(assuming vzw still has double the data promo) on VZW bc it downloads stuff so fast that u won't hesitate to download that 1GB or larger file. If u have no regards for money, by all means Verizon is your best bet. By the end of 2013 vzw will have 4G in places that sprint, tmo l, or att have rarely had 3G. I have traveled across the entire US, several times from the east coast to the west and it does happen, but is very rare that vzw loses service. Rarely is 3G even lost. I was a bit harsh earlier on sprint, as they are a solid wireless provider but the term in this particular place "u get what u pay for" applies. At least in the case of Verizon. As I stated earlier in my post. If u have the Money, search the forums BC there are still a few loopholes to find unlimited on vzw, it is worth every penny u can throw at it.
With that said, I'm about 20 miles outside of a 4G area so I don't use it daily. However, I use it enough to know how good it is. Obviously I'm typing this from the dinc2, which isn't 4g. But the bionic is.
Before I commit to leaving 4G on all the time they are gonna have to finish the next Gen of lte radios BC the battery life on all 4G phones(vzw or not) leaves something to be desired.
Lastly, I do not agree that the E4GT sucks. IMHO its the best out of the entire GS2 line.
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ksizzle9 said:
Obviously I'm typing this from the dinc2, which isn't 4g. But the bionic is.
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You must not have heard all the complaints about the Bionic.
Never change companies for a phone or OS. What's hot today is next weeks crap. You change because a company serves your area better.

newalker91 said:
What I'm kind of wondering is why are you posting in the Sprint Epic 4g Touch forum when you're so biased against Sprint while also using an Incredible 2 on Verizon? Regardless, your prerogative.
Anyways, one of my techs has been asking me this exact question for days now as he wants the Galaxy Nexus. I'll tell you exactly what I told him.
First off, you're going to be spending a lot more money per month on Verizon's plan to begin with, that's less money down the road for a better device when the one you're currently using becomes outdated. Yes, I've used LTE, and dear god it is fast and nice. Through all appropriate channels, though, you can only get a maximum of 4GB cap at the standard $30 data price. This cap can be blasted past within minutes, not weeks, not days, not even hours. While the rebuttal may be "Well I'm always within WiFi range anyways, so I wouldn't need to use my LTE," that's fine and dandy. If that's the case, then why are you switching? Use the WiFi now and boost the data speeds you continue to complain about. These times are getting to be the "I want" and no longer the "I need" generation as everything we might "need" can be done without issue on the 3G network, we just want to do it faster. Patience is a virtue, and it will pay off. Sprint, regardless of what the haters say, is rolling out an LTE network. It will serve its purpose. Staying with it will secure you your unlimited data, 20 month upgrades and build you tenure with the carrier. They are much more likely to assist you in the future if they see you stuck with them through rough times instead of bouncing around carriers with every new gadget that hits the market. The devices on Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile really do not even justify making the switch. Our Epic 4G Touch matches and/or blows their specs away, including the Galaxy Nexus. Its camera is a slight bit improved, screen has a little bit better contrast and DPI (which we have workarounds to compare with it), but everything else is on par with one another. Keep in mind we have a wonderful group of developers supporting this phone that will be providing us with ICS quickly while adding in their unique flavors to enhance an already spectacular experience on our phones. This is the way of XDA.
If things are absolutely terrible and you have no Sprint coverage where you are, then making the move might be a good option. Otherwise, you're more likely to benefit from riding it out for another year.
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This was 1 helluva ****in answer!!!! I could'nt have said it any better. Besides, while they're chasin that Galaxy Nexus, Sprint will have it too soon enough.

Verizon will never get love from me. 10-20 dollar text messaging plans are a scam... period
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newalker91 said:
What I'm kind of wondering is why are you posting in the Sprint Epic 4g Touch forum when you're so biased against Sprint while also using an Incredible 2 on Verizon? Regardless, your prerogative.
Anyways, one of my techs has been asking me this exact question for days now as he wants the Galaxy Nexus. I'll tell you exactly what I told him.
First off, you're going to be spending a lot more money per month on Verizon's plan to begin with, that's less money down the road for a better device when the one you're currently using becomes outdated. Yes, I've used LTE, and dear god it is fast and nice. Through all appropriate channels, though, you can only get a maximum of 4GB cap at the standard $30 data price. This cap can be blasted past within minutes, not weeks, not days, not even hours. While the rebuttal may be "Well I'm always within WiFi range anyways, so I wouldn't need to use my LTE," that's fine and dandy. If that's the case, then why are you switching? Use the WiFi now and boost the data speeds you continue to complain about. These times are getting to be the "I want" and no longer the "I need" generation as everything we might "need" can be done without issue on the 3G network, we just want to do it faster. Patience is a virtue, and it will pay off. Sprint, regardless of what the haters say, is rolling out an LTE network. It will serve its purpose. Staying with it will secure you your unlimited data, 20 month upgrades and build you tenure with the carrier. They are much more likely to assist you in the future if they see you stuck with them through rough times instead of bouncing around carriers with every new gadget that hits the market. The devices on Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile really do not even justify making the switch. Our Epic 4G Touch matches and/or blows their specs away, including the Galaxy Nexus. Its camera is a slight bit improved, screen has a little bit better contrast and DPI (which we have workarounds to compare with it), but everything else is on par with one another. Keep in mind we have a wonderful group of developers supporting this phone that will be providing us with ICS quickly while adding in their unique flavors to enhance an already spectacular experience on our phones. This is the way of XDA.
If things are absolutely terrible and you have no Sprint coverage where you are, then making the move might be a good option. Otherwise, you're more likely to benefit from riding it out for another year.
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Well said, I left Verizon for Sprint, because of the amazingly piss poor customer service (curiously when I was porting my number they finally treated me pretty well).
Their data speeds were fast but I never got anywhere near 40 MB/s down, for me it was always still faster to use wifi whenever possible. And, the phones I had (Droid X, Thunderbolt) generally sucked.
When you factor all that in with the higher prices my decision was an easy one. However, only you can make the decision that is right for you, best of luck either way.

Indrid Cole said:
What phone sucks? If you are referring to the et4g then yeah go get bent by Verizon. This RIG rocks. Also the G nex only has 16GB internal no sd card slot. Wtf I would fill that in about ten minutes. Geesh is ICS that important.
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dude it rocks now, December 15th
it's been a sucky phone for the last two months, EVERY SINGLE DAY I have to reboot it
Loss of signal

Ok, here are a few things I have in mind
1) Nobody mentioned if I can have free tethering at Verizon
2) what about LCD Root?
I have that program in my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch and man the screen in my phone is the best screen I've EVER had EVER
I love my phone, now with the loss of service fixed, FINALLY I have a nice Samsung Galaxy S II
But part of me thinks, man, I've been waiting for SG II since April 2011.
Maybe this month I can go to Verizon and get a nice phone that will serve me well for 2012?
I already waited way way way too much for SGII
I am going to see how much it costs to go back to Verizon, I suppose that if I can tether for free, with root, hack, whatever, then that would make me change in no time
What I don't like about Verizon is the plans.
WIth Sprint I can talk 10 hours per day, no problem
with Verizon I think unlimited costs $79 and data costs $30, insurance $10, txt $20... keep adding and adding you're talking about $130-$150 for unlimited everything (and still it's not unlimited because of 4GB Data Cap)
With Sprint I do like the fact that it's really unlimited, and it's cheap
But I just feel that SGII was a phone for 2011
Samsung Nexus is the phone for 2012
So I might as well switch now that the device is ready
Anyone agrees?

Edit: here's a detailed break down I read about the text plan, smh.
You can spend $25 for 2GB of mobile data which they claim ends up being about 80MB per dollar which then translates to 500,000 text messages each 160 characters long. We’ll bet you seldom hit the 160 character mark which makes this even worse. Now take that dollar and divide it by the number of texts and each one probably costs $0.000002 or two ten thousandths of a cent. That isn’t very much. If you send 5,000 texts in month then those texts cost about $0.01 – a penny.
Point proven...
PLUS a 30 dollar data plan?
Go ahead, go on down that road...
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Don't use too much of that fast lte or you will go over your data cap.
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How fast would 2GB go if you wanted to flash Cyanogen nightlies right to your phone?
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motorsports601 said:
Noo the galaxy nexus has 32g. If u live in a 4g area I say go for it. But then again how much is 4gigs when ur blazing 4g speeds good thing the galaxy nexus has that data limiter! !
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Lol, where did you hear it has 32gb?? I hope you're not getting it because you will only walk away said with only 16gb.
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How fast would 2GB go if you wanted to flash Cyanogen nightlies right to your phone?
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I couldn't even download all of my google music library
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rafarataneneces said:
Ok, here are a few things I have in mind
But I just feel that SGII was a phone for 2011
Samsung Nexus is the phone for 2012
So I might as well switch now that the device is ready
Anyone agrees?
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I disagree. Honestly? There isn't that much difference in performance between the SGS II and the Galaxy Nexus. The biggest difference really is ICS, and, hopefully, it won't be too terribly long before we with the E4GT have ICS. That, and a higher DPI screen, which is marginally larger (0.15").
I know that I have never been doing something on my E4GT and been cursing my phone for being slow and laggy. The only thing that is slow is the network, and that's mostly because I live in an area where about half the time, I only have 1x, and not 3g. Granted, the 3g isn't as fast as verizon, but for me, it's acceptable. Even when it's clocked down to 800 mHz (which mine does below 50% battery) it still flies. I changed to the E4GT because it was a big step up from the OG Epic. That big step simply does not exist from the E4GT to the Galaxy Nexus.

No i disagree.
1.The phone will come to other carriers.
2. $50 dollars more a month really worth it for the new "phone" Thats 600 the first year.

I'm thinking about doing the same jumping ship to Verizon to get the Galaxy Nexus. I have no kids and a good job. Also I can get a 22% monthly corporate discount and 25% of accessories too. I was thinking about the 10gb(don't even use 3gb a month) for $50. I can get rid of my home internet and tether off that phone. If y'all had the opportunity to do this switch, would you do it?

Sprint Epic Touch 4G on Ting..?

My contract is getting ready to expire with sprint in the next couple of months. I wanted a new phone upgrade but refused to renew my two year contract with sprint. Instead, i fully payed for brand new Epic touch 4G at a drastic discounted price. I love my phone. I recently found out about Ting (on the sprint network). are there any development towards getting sprint phones over to Ting..? I would just hate to buy anouther galaxy S2 just to get on Ting.

newalker91 said:
Can you explain why? People come on here a thousand times a day complaining about Sprint's network, and yet we're getting threads like this to flash to a subsidiary company borrowing pieces of Sprint's network which will end up further diluting your speeds and decreasing your coverage, all for about 20 bucks less per phone per month.
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If you use any data the plans suck 3GB for 60 .... Wow its cheaper on boost ,virgin, cricket etc ....
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newalker91 said:
Can you explain why? People come on here a thousand times a day complaining about Sprint's network, and yet we're getting threads like this to flash to a subsidiary company borrowing pieces of Sprint's network which will end up further diluting your speeds and decreasing your coverage, all for about 20 bucks less per phone per month.
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I wasn't complaining about sprint network. In fact, it is the only network that gets me the best reception where i live. My only concern has been my monthly payments (family plan). When conparing what we pay and use with sprint or "any" other carrier for that matter, it is crazy high! I don't know about you but I'm looking to save. Ting makes sense for us. $20 savings for you equals to a savings of $240 per year. Me, on the other hand, saves me over a thousand. Going to Ting keeps me on Sprint's network without going broke.

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I wasn't complaining about sprint network. In fact, it is the only network that gets me the best reception where i live. My only concern has been my monthly payments (family plan). When conparing what we pay and use with sprint or "any" other carrier for that matter, it is crazy high! I don't know about you but I'm looking to save. Ting makes sense for us. $20 savings for you equals to a savings of $240 per year. Me, on the other hand, saves me over a thousand. Going to Ting keeps me on Sprint's network without going broke.
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You should be very specific with your math.
1. I didn't find on ting site anything about free night and weekend minutes.
Does it mean that 1000 or what ever minutes I buy will aply to any call made/recived.?
If yes than for my family plan with 4 lines we getting thru 4500-5000 min easy every month. I should plug that number in.
2. Data is 3GB max available. And I'm alone going thru 2-2.5GB a month.
4 of us together are using about 8-10GG a month.
I just plugged those number into ting savings calculator:
4lines 4000 min. 2000 sms/mms 10GB data (combined usage) and got monthly bill of $321.50. Try it yourself if you want.
My montly bill with sprint including $8 insurance on each phone ($32 that's alone) is about $226 a month.
In my case sprint still the cheapest solution.

agat63 said:
You should be very specific with your math.
1. I didn't find on ting site anything about free night and weekend minutes.
Does it mean that 1000 or what ever minutes I buy will aply to any call made/recived.?
If yes than for my family plan with 4 lines we getting thru 4500-5000 min easy every month. I should plug that number in.
2. Data is 3GB max available. And I'm alone going thru 2-2.5GB a month.
4 of us together are using about 8-10GG a month.
I just plugged those number into ting savings calculator:
4lines 4000 min. 2000 sms/mms 10GB data (combined usage) and got monthly bill of $321.50. Try it yourself if you want.
My montly bill with sprint including $8 insurance on each phone ($32 that's alone) is about $226 a month.
In my case sprint still the cheapest solution.
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Wouldn't we love to have smart phone that wet don't use ..... Must be that way for him I can go through 10+GB in a month not trying Pandora Netflix etc .....
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Epix4G said:
Wouldn't we love to have smart phone that wet don't use ..... Must be that way for him I can go through 10+GB in a month not trying Pandora Netflix etc .....
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I said "combined usage" for 4 phones/lines.
I think 2-2.5GB data per phone is not too much and you can go easy thru it.
Any weather widged take 15-20MB a day which will make about 450-600 MB a month. Check your emails, reply to post on forum, use gps/navigation and you done. Ne need to use google music, pandora, netfilx or hulu.
With those apps you will go over 5-6GB alone.
I have 2 kids in mid 20's and they are on FB/Twitter/Mail/Pandora/Google music all day long.
So 10GB data for 4 lines is not too much.
Just went on sprint site and checked my account. Bill was paid 2 days ago and it was $225.14 for following usage:
2850 minutes talk
8.35GB data used
3450 SMS/MMS sent/recieved.
So I was pretty close with my estimate of monthly usage and price for my family plan.
And if I plug this numbers into ting calculator my bill will go up by quite a bit.

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I said "combined usage" for 4 phones/lines.
I think 2-2.5GB data per phone is not too much and you can go easy thru it.
Any weather widged take 15-20MB a day which will make about 450-600 MB a month. Check your emails, reply to post on forum, use gps/navigation and you done. Ne need to use google music, pandora, netfilx or hulu.
With those apps you will go over 5-6GB alone.
I have 2 kids in mid 20's and they are on FB/Twitter/Mail/Pandora/Google music all day long.
So 10GB data for 4 lines is not too much.
Just went on sprint site and checked my account. Bill was paid 2 days ago and it was $225.14 for following usage:
2850 minutes talk
8.35GB data used
3450 SMS/MMS sent/recieved.
So I was pretty close with my estimate of monthly usage and price for my family plan.
And if I plug this numbers into ting calculator my bill will go up by quite a bit.
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I know I have 3 epic touch and a 3d on my account and I know how bad we were with data and it will only get worse with lte ....he must not use his epic touch for anything but calls to think that is going to save him money....I usually use lots more data than minutes..Hardly use the phone but to talk to wife...
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I know I have 3 epic touch and a 3d on my account and I know how bad we were with data and it will only get worse with lte ....he must not use his epic touch for anything but calls to think that is going to save him money....I usually use lots more data than minutes..Hardly use the phone but to talk to wife...
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He's better sticking with sprint or if hes gotta change to try to save some $ then he should try
for talking alot and data usage:
Boost mobile + theres a guide on step by step on how to flash to boost already made and the monthly bill is only $50 then you also get the shrinkage plan
if he mainly text's/mms/ and uses data mostly instead talking on the phone all the time he should go with
Virgin Mobile which i believe has been done and there should be a guide on how to do it and the plans on that are like $30xmonth (correct me if im wrong)
atleast thats my opinion ..

General, usketse
I did some digging around and found a few post of people using Sprint phones on Ting. It seems that a flash has been done with varying success.
On Ting's website under the Ting Help & Support Forum there is a thread called "Can I Bring my existing device to Ting?" (sorry im a newb and not allowed to post links just yet)...
That thread does indicate that a few users have purchased Ting's lower-end phones (as a donor) and use its' ESN number along with a program called CDMA Workshop in order to flash rooted Sprint phones to work on Ting.
Can anyone shed some light on how this procedure is done or what is involved..? Can the phone be re-flashed to be used on Sprint network again or is this a one time process?
Thanks guys..

mclain1 said:
I did some digging around and found a few post of people using Sprint phones on Ting. It seems that a flash has been done with varying success.
On Ting's website under the Ting Help & Support Forum there is a thread called "Can I Bring my existing device to Ting?" (sorry im a newb and not allowed to post links just yet)...
That thread does indicate that a few users have purchased Ting's lower-end phones (as a donor) and use its' ESN number along with a program called CDMA Workshop in order to flash rooted Sprint phones to work on Ting.
Can anyone shed some light on how this procedure is done or what is involved..? Can the phone be re-flashed to be used on Sprint network again or is this a one time process?
Thanks guys..
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Search for a thread about cloning esn to use on boost and it's officially a federal crime too...
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Inches away from dumping Verizon

VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.

There is no reason to stay if you don't want to. If sprint has good enough service for you and is cheaper, go for it.

Good luck with sprint. **** service
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it' s a tough choice, Verizon gives best service and they know it and take advantage, the ones who know they aren't up to par let things slide like unlocking to gain customers. and it works, I also have been with Verizon sine before it was even called Verizon (so my dad says) and I don't think I could get him to ever switch (he doesn't care about root, just service) so my future is in the hands of the great devs and or dev edition phones, yayyy. Verizon has gone down hill fast since crApple came. everything that was decent changed, recently 24 mount contracts now, no longer 20 month, 14 day return rather than 30. Guess we will see how things play out at least with this phone we are able to send it out for S-OFF. and it came fast, very cool.
I hopefully sending mine out next week.

Anthrax79 said:
VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.
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What have they done to the phone?

There's no reason to stay. Just like mentioned before - if you have no need for Verizon's service coverage vs. Sprint's, then why stay with them? If you get solid Sprint coverage everywhere you need it, then switch. Otherwise, the only reason to stay is for the coverage. That's generally the only reason to go with carrier X over carrier Y.

Anthrax79 said:
VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.
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I just left Sprint after 13 years and picked this phone up on Verizon. Let me tell you the grass is not greener on the other side, Unlimited data is meaningless when you can't even play a youtube video for your kid in the car even though you're in the middle of a major metropolitan area (Seattle). If you want dial up speeds then by all means go for it.

Just switched from sprint also after being with them for 14 years. The data speeds were so slow they were unusable. It got to the point where I couldn't even get make a phone call without dropping the call. I drove from Ohio to Florida and only picked up LTE maybe 3 times for about 5 minutes. Other people in the car had Verizon and had LTE 90 percent of the time. Need less to say it was a damn long trip on horrible 3g and 1x
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Sprints data speeds are horrible. Had them for years. Dropped calls a lot too.
I'm not really happy with Verizon either but at least I'm never without service. I'd rather be unhappy WITH service than unhappy WITHOUT service.
Have fun. Peace out.

m4rk0358 said:
I just left Sprint after 13 years and picked this phone up on Verizon. Let me tell you the grass is not greener on the other side, Unlimited data is meaningless when you can't even play a youtube video for your kid in the car even though you're in the middle of a major metropolitan area (Seattle). If you want dial up speeds then by all means go for it.
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Same here. I was with Sprint 9 years. The dropped calls, terrible data just got to be too much. They recently turned the 4G LTE on in my area and it was spotty at best. I just can't get over how much better Verizon's network is.

My work phone is T-Moble. I had VZ for my personal cells and switched to AT&T about 4 years ago. I could not wait to go back to VZ. T-Moble is just brutal in my vacation home. It actually switches to AT&T service. AT&T was slow and would drop a ton of calls. VZ may be a PITA but they have the best signal/speed where I live. I'm afraid I will be with VZ a long time.

Lol. Got a buddy on Sprint, he tethers into my phone for data all the time. You really can't beat Verizon coverage and data speed.
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Anthrax79 said:
VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.
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I've been somewhat considering this too. After asking around, seems AT&T is considered next best in service.

replica9000 said:
I've been somewhat considering this too. After asking around, seems AT&T is considered next best in service.
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Eh not anywhere I've been. ATT is barely better than Sprint where I've been. T-mobile is pretty much second in areas I've been which is alot.

Anthrax79 said:
VZW is about to loose a 10 year customer.
I hate what VZW has done to this phone. That paired with the upgrade shuffle needed to keep my unlimited data and I am about to jump to Sprint. I can get two HTC Ones, and a new Torque for my son for $99 total. Unlimited data and everything. Plus the added feature of be able to unlock and root.
Why should I stay.
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I was with Sprint for 10 years and I'm glad I left them. Sure you can still get unlimited data with them but their service is terrible. Sprint LTE is going to take a while to reach Verizon's coverage and the 3G speeds are a joke. Verizon may torture us with their stance against modding, but most of us just deal with it because their service is the best...case in point, the recent JD Power rankings. Being able to unlock and root doesn't mean anything if you don't have the network support to back it up.

andybones said:
it' s a tough choice, Verizon gives best service and they know it and take advantage, the ones who know they aren't up to par let things slide like unlocking to gain customers. and it works, I also have been with Verizon sine before it was even called Verizon (so my dad says) and I don't think I could get him to ever switch (he doesn't care about root, just service) so my future is in the hands of the great devs and or dev edition phones, yayyy. Verizon has gone down hill fast since crApple came. everything that was decent changed, recently 24 mount contracts now, no longer 20 month, 14 day return rather than 30. Guess we will see how things play out at least with this phone we are able to send it out for S-OFF. and it came fast, very cool.
I hopefully sending mine out next week.
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I sell Verizon phones at a premium retailer and must say apple is the cause of all my problems and have seen that as soon as apple came along all the plans changed they got rid of unlimited apple is the root of all evil
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Let the OP go to Sprint - he'll be back fast enough. The reason vzw did what they did was because they didn't want to swap out a bunch of phones and do all that paperwork.
In the future don't jump on the phone the first day or week it's out, wait a while to see if that's what you want.
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good luck. Had sprint, then t-mobile before verizon.
Sprint was bad, 200kbits/sec speeds when having 3g signal. Their LTE runs on 2500mhz which means you'll drop that as soon as you walk inside.
T-mobile had much faster data speeds, but coverage was horrendous and a lot of dropped calls.
You get what you pay for. Unless you live on wifi, you'll be crying about sprint soon enough.

I've heard terrible things about Sprint, but I've never had their service. I had T-mobile YEARS ago and it was awful, I'm sure things have changed since then.
Verizon isn't cheap, it's a headache to go through the loophole to keep your unlimited data, but if you're going to switch to Sprint, do your research, and make sure you're going to be okay with slower data speeds and spotty coverage.
I don't like waiting extra time for phones on Verizon, nor do I enjoy the bloat that they fill their phones with, but that's the reality of it and the cost of keeping my unlimited data with a company that has a fast/reliable network.
Thankfully, we have awesome developers who work their magic and donate their work to the community.

jbh00jh said:
Let the OP go to Sprint - he'll be back fast enough. The reason vzw did what they did was because they didn't want to swap out a bunch of phones and do all that paperwork.
In the future don't jump on the phone the first day or week it's out, wait a while to see if that's what you want.
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Two years ago, I switched to Sprint. Got home and realized I couldn't even make phone calls inside my house. Next day,returned the sprint phones and went back to VZW. I have never looked at another carrier since.
I will say that when I went back to VZW, they gave me two new upgrades on my phones.... that was a plus to my mess.

AT&T Note 4 thread

Thought this would be useful. They said they will be one of the first to release it. Hope they do with the edge...
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Thought this would be useful. They said they will be one of the first to release it. Hope they do with the edge...
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Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.

ls3mach said:
Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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You can thank T-mobile for being a pricing leader and make other carriers have unlimited data. I get unlimited LTE data on T-mobile.

ekerbuddyeker said:
Thought this would be useful. They said they will be one of the first to release it. Hope they do with the edge...
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link?

ohbreeeezy said:
link?
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Google never disappoints!
http://about.att.com/story/att_conf...oin_nations_most_reliable_4g_lte_network.html

ls3mach said:
Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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You should have said "I wouldn't call what Sprint offers - IN MY AREA- 4G or even data most of the time", because your comment isn't true everywhere.
I've been with Sprint for over 4 years and couldn't be happier! I have unlimited everything and only pay $45 per month! While I only saw Wimax once, I get LTE everywhere. I average 25mbps down at my house, which is 20 minutes outside of Atlanta

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You should have said "I wouldn't call what Sprint offers - IN MY AREA- 4G or even data most of the time", because your comment isn't true everywhere.
I've been with Sprint for over 4 years and couldn't be happier! I have unlimited everything and only pay $45 per month! While I only saw Wimax once, I get LTE everywhere. I average 25mbps down at my house, which is 20 minutes outside of Atlanta
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I've been with them 11 years. Way before "since the ground up". My Treo 650 got better speeds than by Note 3. Note 2. HTC Evo 4G LTE. EVI 3D. Evo Wimax. Evo. PPC6800. PPC6700. Palm Centreo. Treo 700. Moto Q. I'm sure there were others. I've been Sprint before SERO. I've got a screen grab on HoFo of me using 35+GB of data in a month back when they're 3G was mediocre. I couldn't max out my connection and for 3 months and use that now.
I think my doctorate thesis will be only poor people use Sprint.

ls3mach said:
Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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I'm on a grandfathered unlimited data AT&T plan. I don't use a lot of data and I think AT&T throttles it if you exceed 5 GB/mo.

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I think my doctorate thesis will be only poor people use Sprint.
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Great idea IF you want to appear unintelligent, lol. Based on your thesis, everyone around Atlanta who chooses the best carrier is now poor. You could be absolutely correct, though, and it has nothing to do with the others having spotty coverage and terrible speeds.
I suppose my doctorate thesis will be, ls3mach is an average special ed student.
Finally, Sprint does NOT throttle their users. I see @mty msi said AT&T throttles, so thought I would chime in. I average 25-35GB each month and my download speeds are always between 25-30mbps.
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I have unlimited data on AT&T as well...its $30, however if you have a employer discount that comes off the $30 unlimited plan, or $50 5gb plan, not off the $30 3gb plan. I have a 24% discount on my bill which gives 24% off $60 700min family plan, and 24% off my $30 unlimited and 24% off my younger sisters $50 5gb plan.
I pay $22.80 for Unlimited data. I just reached 5gb my first time this past labor day at my family's cottage in northern Michigan, I have never had internet on my phone up north, but now I get a solid 4 Mbps download H+ speed up there, so naturally I streamed a few Netflix movies and hit my 5gb...they throttle me to .55 Mbps no matter where I am. At home(metro Detroit) I can sometimes pull 40mbps down 5mbps up on LTE, so to be throttled to .55 is ridiculous, I cannot watch YouTube videos, however I can still stream music without buffering. So I view my Unlimited data as a $22 5gb data plan...which isn't bad...but still...that amount of throttling is terrible and a cheap ploy to get us to change plans as everyone knows a faster 4g connection is cheaper to provide than slower 3g.
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Sold my current phone and will rock a dump phone on call forwarding to my work smartphone until AT&T launches the Note 4 then Verizon will be reduced to my tablet line which is for work. Suck it Verizon.
AT&T's page says " AT&T today confirmed that it will be among the first U.S. carriers to bring you the Galaxy Note 4" not the first, but among the first so hopefully they will be right on top for 10-10-14 which is the speculated date and the day before my billing cycle.

I will pass on the Note 4...Boot loader will be locked and no root in sight...Not buying a phone you can't root.

im gonna pass on the note 4 for att... but pickup a note 4 on tmobile.. lets hope they dont pull any games with the bootloader :good:

GalaxyNotesTx said:
I will pass on the Note 4...Boot loader will be locked and no root in sight...Not buying a phone you can't root.
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Just to add to this for those of you who are coming from older phones and may not be aware of AT&T's locked bootloader practice the last couple years.
The first batch of Galaxy S4's could be flashed to AOSP if you wanted.
But since then, all premium Galaxy (and maybe others) phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader. And to this day, nobody has broken it and that means you cannot flash a custom recovery or AOSP ROMs.
And, it took a LONG time before root was even available for the S5.
Jonnyredcorn said:
I view my Unlimited data as a $22 5gb data plan...which isn't bad...but still...that amount of throttling is terrible
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Yeah, that sucks doesn't it.
TMO plans are unlimited in the sense that you pay for say, 5GB of high speed. Then they just throttle you afterwards.
SO the ATT "unlimited" is the same thing but with a fancier name.

CZ Eddie said:
Just to add to this for those of you who are coming from older phones and may not be aware of AT&T's locked bootloader practice the last couple years.
The first batch of Galaxy S4's could be flashed to AOSP if you wanted.
But since then, all premium Galaxy (and maybe others) phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader. And to this day, nobody has broken it and that means you cannot flash a custom recovery or AOSP ROMs.
And, it took a LONG time before root was even available for the S5.
Yeah, that sucks doesn't it.
TMO plans are unlimited in the sense that you pay for say, 5GB of high speed. Then they just throttle you afterwards.
SO the ATT "unlimited" is the same thing but with a fancier name.
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I used to tinker with my android phones in the past, flashing ROM's all the time, but since I use my phone more and more for work I starting going stock and not worrying as much about it. Perhaps if Dish buys T-Mobile they could become the ULTIMATE UnCarrier and kick all of them in the nutz.

iB4STiD said:
im gonna pass on the note 4 for att... but pickup a note 4 on tmobile.. lets hope they dont pull any games with the bootloader :good:
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I'm thinking of purchasing the TMO phone and using on ATT. I need the ATT coverage. But, I think I'll hold off until it is confirmed that it can be rooted.
RaptorMD said:
I used to tinker with my android phones in the past, flashing ROM's all the time, but since I use my phone more and more for work I starting going stock and not worrying as much about it. ...
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Same here. I have installed a lot of different ROMS, most of which typicall have very positive feedback. But, I find there is ALWAYS something, however minor it may be (or not) that does not work right. Always. Now, of course, some of that can likely be attributed to the various phones that are different due to manufacturing tolerances. But I'm tired of it.
But I do want root so I can do effective backups, and use some of the apps I have that require (or work better) if rooted.

ewingr said:
I'm thinking of purchasing the TMO phone and using on ATT. I need the ATT coverage. But, I think I'll hold off until it is confirmed that it can be rooted.
Same here. I have installed a lot of different ROMS, most of which typicall have very positive feedback. But, I find there is ALWAYS something, however minor it may be (or not) that does not work right. Always. Now, of course, some of that can likely be attributed to the various phones that are different due to manufacturing tolerances. But I'm tired of it.
But I do want root so I can do effective backups, and use some of the apps I have that require (or work better) if rooted.
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I did enjoy the custom ROM's as you mentioned and today for me its really about rooting and getting the features back that were stolen by the carriers. Not sure if that will every happen or not, that said I am waiting for the Note 4 before casting any final decisions.

I just wish Samsung would start holding their press events closer to their release dates. I hate watching the Crapple products get all the press because they get to market faster. I hope AT&T is first (one of the first) to release again.

RaptorMD said:
I did enjoy the custom ROM's as you mentioned and today for me its really about rooting and getting the features back that were stolen by the carriers. Not sure if that will every happen or not, that said I am waiting for the Note 4 before casting any final decisions.
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Same here. I am on T-Mobile, and if it looks like it will be difficult to root, I may hold off till the Nexus X.

Samscum + ATT = :crying:
No root, locked bootloader, and tons of bullcrap bloatware.
What happened to the good old days of the Galaxy Note 2 on ATT, that thing had awesome development and ROM's the first month of release.