Hi I am planning on purchasing the Palm TouchStone wireless charging kit for my S3 i747m from eBay
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281051460427...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Does anyone who have the mod or an eBay kit tell me if the magnet attachment is on the TouchStone charger or is it on the Phone battery cover or both?
Also, how fast does it charge with the TouchStone?
Does it overheat after charging for a long time?
Does the TouchStone charger "turn off" or switch to "tinkle charging" after the phone is fully charged?
Any answers to my question would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Anyone can help?
mms6 said:
Anyone can help?
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I would look for a touchstone forum or review site for answers, not here, bro. There is an accessories thread you could possibly get an answer in.
I had seen a YouTube video where someone did this to their s3! Check there!
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I see, I will take a gamble and buy it... rated at ~500mAh with coil and charger directly aligned.
With my Otterbox Commuter case, I think the charging should not be affected too much (my guess is around 480mAh-490mAh)
This is because the Touchstone, like the Qi, is using EMR for coil and charger transmission/receiving. The only different is that Qi and Touchstone operate at different frequencies and the coil designs might be slightly different to have either slightly better range or better efficiency.
From my experience with Wacom tablets (Intuos, Bamboo) and Wacom integrated tablets (Galaxy Note 10.1, Note 1/2, Tablet PCs, Cintiqs etc)
The pen can hover even with an overlay sheet or a pane of glass over it.. The hovering range is around 5-7mm depending on how thick the surface cover is.
Hopefully the charger has a built in tinkle charging mode and a auto shut off mode (the phone power management should have this)
Also hopefully it does not overheat the phone when it is charging through my Otterbox Commuter case.
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anyone know if there will be an inductive charging pad and case for our notes ?
still nothing ?
I saw a Korean sample at CES this year. It worked pretty good since I have tested with my note. But so far nothing...
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possible, but...
as far as i know, the required connections are not available in the current design for inductive charging to be possible. However, It has been done before by hard soldering the coil from a palm pre to the logic board, specifically to the usb ±5V power line. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451668
Could they not case that the note fit into and it uses the micro-usb socket to charge, I have seen external battery`s like this, it should not be that difficult to add an inductive charge coil/receiver.
Or make a slightly reduce capacity battery with the inductive charge coil/receiver buit in.
John
i was thinking along the lines of a battery , i remember seeing a mod where someone added inductive charging to his older phone by taking out the induction coil and soldering it to the charging pins and was very neat
Wireless Charging for Galaxy Note
I have found this site that is selling Wireless Charging Cases for Galaxy Note.
is a Korean company that is making some cases/covers for Galaxy Note, compatible with QI standard.
There is also a video on YouTube
I wonder if they ship outside of Korea.....
any help ?
Saw this article this morning. Thought I'd share it.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-wireless-charging-kit-introduced-by-Zens_id32935
Won't be coming out until September, for about 85 USD, but at least there will be options.
Does anyone know how much the official one will cost?
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anyone know how wireless charging compares to outlet powered charging as far as strength and charge time?
$85 to me just seems ridiculous for a wireless charger when the technology obviously doesn't cost nearly that much. I think even after these official setups come out that I will stick with the palm touchstone conversion if I decide I want to do wireless charging. Even if I mess something up I can buy and screw up 8 of those before I even get close to paying $85.
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$85 to me just seems ridiculous for a wireless charger when the technology obviously doesn't cost nearly that much. I think even after these official setups come out that I will stick with the palm touchstone conversion if I decide I want to do wireless charging. Even if I mess something up I can buy and screw up 8 of those before I even get close to paying $85.
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I agree, the touchstone cost less, but with the touchstone charging rate is only 500mAh which has slow charging time.
I'll like to see the official one first.
The Qi standard offers a maximum of 1A in low power mode but a lot of the ICs on the market (TI) only support up to 500 mA. 500mA is about half of dedicated wall charging one I believe and the same as when you plug it into your PC to charge.
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I agree, the touchstone cost less, but with the touchstone charging rate is only 500mAh which has slow charging time.
I'll like to see the official one first.
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I plan on modding a case to do this. I am currently looking for some schematics because I have a feeling that this was provisioned in the design of the phone.
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The Qi standard offers a maximum of 1A in low power mode but a lot of the ICs on the market (TI) only support up to 500 mA. 500mA is about half of dedicated wall charging one I believe and the same as when you plug it into your PC to charge.
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1A is more like it,the SGS3 has a charging rate of 1A through the mains.
i'm not in a rush for one so i'll see bother before I decide.
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anyone know how wireless charging compares to outlet powered charging as far as strength and charge time?
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I'm not too sure myself, but I've heard some people say it takes longer and others that say it takes just as long. I know when my husband had the palm pre and would use his touchstone it really didn't seem to be a very noticeable difference in time.
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Does seem a little pricey, but would love to pick up one for my desk at work, grab and go when I go out on the floor.
It's new technology(For phones at least) so obviously they gonna rip off the early adopters, I mean I bought one for Nintendo DSI for £3 which has identical technology to what they put in that so I'm gonna take that apart and if it works just buy a cheap battery cover and stick it together.
If it is qi or compatible then the energizer charging pad will work. It is well worth the money imo. I used it with tbolt every night , before my slim, lean, toned s3 arrived. Now I just can't decide whether to ripe one of my spare tbolt qi doors apart or wait for factory s3 qi door.
For what I've seen if the palm is so easy why not use the "proper" dock and hack a tbolt or similar door.
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Hopefully this combined with the Verizon version that someone posted some photos of will put some pressure on samsung to hurry up and release the official one...
Sonof the zens unit is $85 then the official Samsung one will be $100or more.
still no word on the wireless kit?
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I agree, the touchstone cost less, but with the touchstone charging rate is only 500mAh which has slow charging time.
I'll like to see the official one first.
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For overnight charging, this is a good thing - extends the life of your battery. The higher your charge rate, the less your battery will ultimately live. The performance of your battery overall will degrade. Slow charging is a good thing.
If you want a fast charge, just plug into a USB cable if you are in a pinch.
Also, I read in the Galaxy Nexus threads (where the Palm Touchstone mod originated) that there's a software mod they are applying to increase that rate up to be nearly as quick as the 1A charger. The same type of mod may be applicable here.
I just got my ZENS+Shield kit for the S3 that has the protective shield instead of the OEM-style backing. I'm loving it!
Previously I had been using an OEM back with a Touchstone wireless charger installed in it, but I really wanted to have my elago slim hard case that makes the buttons recessed. I made an ugly hack that made it work most of the time but I hated having to fiddle with those Palm Touchstone chargers and making it align to the magnet.
Sometimes my cat could get annoying and just nudge it or maybe the phone would vibrate enough from alerts, it would get into this "charge-discharge" loop state that can't be good for the phone, sometimes even fully lose contact. It was just not very reliable -- I found myself sometimes just plugging it into USB to get a better charge.
The ZENS wireless back fits really well and provides the backing I wanted. I wish the texture was a bit more grippy but it's not exactly slippery. It's on-par with the stock grip. It's a bit heavier and slightly more bulky than the elago case but that's because it provides a bit more protection and has a rubbery pad for some sort of shock protection.
The charger is great too. I can put the phone in just about any position and it'll charge. They even brag it'll charge if you put it on a high volume speaker in the instructions (but it may take up to 2 mins for it to "negotiate" in that case.) It seems to charge faster than my Touchstone.
It's Qi standard so I should be able to use it with any charging pad. I was shopping for a second charger but the 3-position Energizer looks much too big as does the Duracell and the single position Energizer is slanted and I've read some people have issues with it sliding off. I like that the ZENS charger is flat and the size is nice, so I ordered another.
There's one downside to the ZENS charger but I think other chargers (except the Palm Touchstone) suffer the same problem: they do not use USB as a power source. My ZENS charger uses some ugly wall-wart. Also it's a bit more expensive.
Here is my review video! I am a huge fan of the palm touchstone wireless charging mod and this is the best way to get it...
http://youtu.be/NGvyWBOQy0U
Nice, couple questions.
Do you use a case? I have an Otterbox Commuter and was wondering if that is thin enough to still register.
Also, will that back cover work on the Energizer Qi charging system?
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Thanks for the video!, few questions tho:
Does it work with a case (I imagine this will be a popular question)
Is the quality of the back cover noticeable different to the stock back cover? Or is it a completely stock totally 100% the same back cover with the wireless charging mod?
And what charging pad do you recommend?
Unfortunately I do not use cases as I just use a clear shield so I have no idea if it works with otterbox or any case.
This mod will not work with any pad. It will only work with the Palm Touchstone. I dont recco any pad as I only recco the touchstone. I like having one in my car, at the office and one on the nightstand.
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Unfortunately I do not use cases as I just use a clear shield so I have no idea if it works with otterbox or any case.
This mod will not work with any pad. It will only work with the Palm Touchstone. I dont recco any pad as I only recco the touchstone. I like having one in my car, at the office and one on the nightstand.
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Can you try just putting something a few mm's thick between the phone and the charge pad and seeing if it still charges?
i got this mod with a 3mm thin case from ebay. they work perfectly.
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It works with a few mm but not sure how that affects charging. Please dont just take my word for it. Dont want you spending 30 on a back cover you cant use. But if it doesnt work i will buy it from ypu for a major discount. Lol
I dont believe qi is the way to go. The new nexus has wireless charging like the touchstone. I wonder if its compatible?
probably not. afaik, each of these wireless charging is proprietary and most probably incompatible with each other. The touchstone will only work with touchstone products (atleast from what I understand, it's different frequencies and also component parts differences)
You are probably right but i hope you are wrong... either way i am so surprised more phones dont charge like this.
Nexus 4 Qi
check out the news regarding Nexus 4 Qi "Orb" in this forum at "Qi Wireless accessories " Post# 136 on page 14 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1933523)
Hi axel. Is there any source to your news?
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Hi axel. Is there any source to your news?
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To name a few:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/29/here-are-the-official-specs-for-the-nexus-4-and-nexus-10/
http://techwhack.com/google-nexus-4-supports-qi-wireless-charging-tech-5300/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-announces-Wireless-Charging-Orb-for-the-Nexus-4_id36060#1-
Google Nexus 4 Wireless
Now on Google's website as well:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_8gb&feature=microsite
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probably not. afaik, each of these wireless charging is proprietary and most probably incompatible with each other. The touchstone will only work with touchstone products (atleast from what I understand, it's different frequencies and also component parts differences)
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Frequencies have anything to do with it. I'm pretty sure inductive charging uses magnetic fields to charge your device hence the giant coil in the phone cover. BUT, each base is most likely specific to it's counter part coil as different size coils will charge at different rates from the magenet in the base vs the amount of voltage and amps they put through the magnet. So it would make sense if a say Powermat didn't work with a Touchstone coil.
On the other hand, the touchstone uses a standard phone charger so it has a maximum of 5V at 1amp. I do not know what power source the Duracell Powermat uses (looked a little but didn't search long) so if it were to use a higher voltage at the same amps or higher amps at the same voltage then it may charger your phone faster.
NOTE: It should also be noted that if you use a different charging source with the touchstone base you could end up generating a different level of voltage and in turn damage your phone. It's not recommended to do this. The downfall (that I have found) with the touchstone setup is that it WILL charge through thin TPU cases and my Rock Quicksand case BUT the magnet is not strong enough to hold the phone in place. Since the touchstone is angled and not flat the phone starts to slide down and charging stops.
You can always switch out the magnets so your phone sits better on the touchstone. Its easy to change and it can make a nice diference.
Just ordered one. Touchstone rules.
@setzer715
that's an interesting read. thanks for clarifying the differences. I skimmed on articles about different wireless charging tech and remembered a few mentions of frequencies.
If only there is a standard that can adapt or provide compatibility with other methods... but that would probably drive up costs and probably extend r&d time.
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mputtr said:
@setzer715
that's an interesting read. thanks for clarifying the differences. I skimmed on articles about different wireless charging tech and remembered a few mentions of frequencies.
If only there is a standard that can adapt or provide compatibility with other methods... but that would probably drive up costs and probably extend r&d time.
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may be in the future a multi format will be available.:fingers-crossed:
Hello.
I'm using the same charger with my i9300. But it charging the phone too long
Also I have removed a wireless charging module from a custom back cover and install it on my original i9300 back cover.
Hey guys, I had a circle Qi chinese brand charger that used to work with my slim case, now I got a thicker one and the wireless charger simply couldn't handle it, does anyone here knows a good powerful charger that works with thick cases for the G3? (link from eBay would be appreciated)
thanks
anyone?
In general, I think Qi chargers will only bridge about 5 to 7mm, and I don't think there are any more powerful versions. There are a few (Nokia, Tilt Vu, some others) that use three coils, rather than only one, but I think this just increases the size of the sweet spot, not the power.
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In general, I think Qi chargers will only bridge about 5 to 7mm, and I don't think there are any more powerful versions. There are a few (Nokia, Tilt Vu, some others) that use three coils, rather than only one, but I think this just increases the size of the sweet spot, not the power.
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That is 100% correct, the qi standard is changing so that it can be ~1in away but that won't be until at least next year from what I have read.
The zerolemon battery covers the standard pinouts to the QI wireless receiver for wireless charging. Does anyone have a solution, workaround, modification or source for a QI receiver that would work? It is so convenient just to put a phone on a stand and top it off, even with the massive 10,000 mah battery. I am NOT interested in anything that involves soldering anything to my precious phone, or modifying the phone in any way, just the receiver. Thank you in advance for any thoughts!
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The zerolemon battery covers the standard pinouts to the QI wireless receiver for wireless charging. Does anyone have a solution, workaround, modification or source for a QI receiver that would work? It is so convenient just to put a phone on a stand and top it off, even with the massive 10,000 mah battery. I am NOT interested in anything that involves soldering anything to my precious phone, or modifying the phone in any way, just the receiver. Thank you in advance for any thoughts!
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Maybe one of these cheap charging pads can be modified instead of your phone? They dont seem to have one specifically for the note 4 yet on here, but for $6 thats a pricetag you dont have to cringse about when you srtart soldering on it..
http://www.fasttech.com/search?qi inductive charging receiver patch for note 4
Hope it helps.
Basically you have to extend the contacts from the phone back. You don't need to solder. You can do it with double stick foam tape, masking tape, adhesive copper braid or sheeting and the adapter. My adapter has not arrived yet so I am not sure it will fit between the Zerolemon battery and the case back. I did something similar to get NFC working with my Zerolemon on my Note 2. Once my adapter gets here I will report if I am successful and the fix is safe and dependable.
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lexbian said:
Maybe one of these cheap charging pads can be modified instead of your phone? They dont seem to have one specifically for the note 4 yet on here, but for $6 thats a pricetag you dont have to cringse about when you srtart soldering on it..
http://www.fasttech.com/search?qi inductive charging receiver patch for note 4
Hope it helps.
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I have 3 pads that fit the original note 4 and work with it, I'm open to any suggestions on how to extend the flexible flat cable -- I can't find a way to do in online anywhere!
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I have 3 pads that fit the original note 4 and work with it, I'm open to any suggestions on how to extend the flexible flat cable -- I can't find a way to do in online anywhere!
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Similar instructions can be found by googling...note 2 zerolemon nfc fix.
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Don't Modify Anything
Instead of modifying things just use this simple device available on Amazon. Make sure the output matches the requirements of your device before you purchase or it will not work. This is the one I purchased for use with my LG G3 and the ZeroLemon case with the extended battery and it works just fine. You still do not get the NFC capability, but the wireless charging works. But then who actually uses the NFC anyway?
Just search on amazon for micro USB Qi antenna or wireless charging antenna. (the forum won't let me post the link)
This adapter is very easy to install and adds the Wireless Charging / Qi charging back to your phone. Amazon has several versions, just make sure you get the one that has the correct configuration on the plug, either small side up or small side down, and you also need to make sure you get the one with the correct output. For the Lg G3 it is the one with small side down, 5v-1000ma output to make it work properly.
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Instead of modifying things just use this simple device available on Amazon. Make sure the output matches the requirements of your device before you purchase or it will not work. This is the one I purchased for use with my LG G3 and the ZeroLemon case with the extended battery and it works just fine. You still do not get the NFC capability, but the wireless charging works. But then who actually uses the NFC anyway?
Just search on amazon for micro USB Qi antenna or wireless charging antenna. (the forum won't let me post the link)
This adapter is very easy to install and adds the Wireless Charging / Qi charging back to your phone. Amazon has several versions, just make sure you get the one that has the correct configuration on the plug, either small side up or small side down, and you also need to make sure you get the one with the correct output. For the Lg G3 it is the one with small side down, 5v-1000ma output to make it work properly.
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The Zerolemon battery covers the ports, making the standard Qi receivers not able to attach to them, that's why we need a different solution.
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The Zerolemon battery covers the ports, making the standard Qi receivers not able to attach to them, that's why we need a different solution.
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Actually, that is not true. I have installed the exact item I was talking about, and it works perfectly fine. The cover over the port does not fit "air tight" over the port and has plenty of room for the adapter to fit between the cover and the phone. This is why I had suggested the item in the post.
KevinLdrbck said:
Actually, that is not true. I have installed the exact item I was talking about, and it works perfectly fine. The cover over the port does not fit "air tight" over the port and has plenty of room for the adapter to fit between the cover and the phone. This is why I had suggested the item in the post.
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The Note 4 Qi contacts are in 2 places. The upper one, just to the side of the camera, is not covered by the Zerolemon Battery, and does not pose a problem for connecting, but the one next to the battery IS completely covered by the battery itself. Maybe I'm missing something? I don't care about NFC, but would really like the Qi charging feature. If you know of an item that would work, please PM me a link. Thanks!
In case anyone's still wanting to hack a Qi coil on a Zerolemon battery, it works just fine. Here's a step-by-step with pictures. http://traff.as/zerolemonqi
traffas said:
In case anyone's still wanting to hack a Qi coil on a Zerolemon battery, it works just fine. Here's a step-by-step with pictures. http://traff.as/zerolemonqi
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Not for a Note 4, different contacts (won't work).
I really thought I was in the G3 forum...sorry about that.
They make a qi receiver now that plugs in the charger port of the phone and then flips back to the battery door it's on amazon like 15 bucks. Place case over it to protect receiver and phone any your good to go. I'm sure this will work just fine for ya there a universal qi receiver for tablets and phones with no battery door.
Here is a pic for you.