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Question about wireless tether

I rooted completely, and now am installing wifi tether... but my question is, will this cost me anything? ive looked around but i cant get a definite answer. I dont want to do this and then get a bill with the mobile broadband charge...
Thanks.

Nope. It shouldnt. I don't think there's really any way for Verizon to tell because you're really just using an app that redirects your 3G connection to other computers over WiFi.
This is my 3rd phone that I've had which I've used some sort of hack to get tethering to work. So far after about 5 years I haven't been billed once.

Thanks... i kinda figured that... I remember doing this kind of stuff back in the razr, krzr days and never got caught.. Im suprised they never caught on lol

you have unlimited data, though it really isn't unlimited. If they see you going above like 5gb a month etc ( I think it is usually around 5gb) they will start asking questions so just don't do to much.

Alright Thanks.. Now i have absolutely no remorse for turning down the pre plus with free hotspot... LOL

Yeah I just install 'My Verizon' and monitor my usage throughout the month so I stay around 5gb or under. Haven't had a problem using this method...I only tether to use with my ipad.

Now that WP7 is out, can you use it without paying monthly Internet?

can you just use the wifi to connect to the web when you need to?

not sure but some apps may have to verify cellular connectivity is available before they will allow wifi...(ie the app has to successfully access the cellular network internet once)

There's an option in the OOBE to disable cell data.

RustyGrom said:
There's an option in the OOBE to disable cell data.
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on my phone (hd7) you can turn of data connection and you can turn of 3g

JediFonger said:
can you just use the wifi to connect to the web when you need to?
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Yes, but you cannot get a smartphone on contract without a data plan. No carrier will let you do that. The only way to do this is to pay $600+ (i.e. full price) for the phone and use a Pay-Go plan.

JediFonger said:
can you just use the wifi to connect to the web when you need to?
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yes ..just like anything else

Think orange do phones without a data plan

no, the data plan saved my ass a good many times since I've had the HD7. had the iphone 3g before w/o data and it suck balls when you aren't near any hotspot or wifi and need to get an address/number/info (had no data because I didn't feel like paying $25 for edge network)

buy yourself an ipod and get yourself a free feature phone with no data plan.

nrfitchett4 said:
buy yourself an ipod and get yourself a free feature phone with no data plan.
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and be limited to wifi calling and paying to call a land line? no thanks.

zulu208 said:
and be limited to wifi calling and paying to call a land line? no thanks.
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that is what the feature phone is for.....

i use my unlocked hermes on Tmo w/o paying for data plan =) it's pretty close to dying... just wanted to continue my non-paying of data plan w/upgraded smartphone

Wp7 pretty much cannot even function optimally without a data plan. I guess an HD2 would work okay if u didn't set up twitter/fb/activesync to sync automatically. IPhones would also work better since they're less commected... But WP7/Android are basically tethered to a data plan for decent opetation.
These arent feature phones...
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N8ter said:
Wp7 pretty much cannot even function optimally without a data plan. I guess an HD2 would work okay if u didn't set up twitter/fb/activesync to sync automatically. IPhones would also work better since they're less commected... But WP7/Android are basically tethered to a data plan for decent opetation.
These arent feature phones...
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your right one that one , way should you buy a phone like this without a data plan ?
this is a cloud based phone so you actually need the data plan and if you don't like that don't buy it .

Everytime I read one of my posts from my phone, I realize why I hate posting from a touchscreen keyboard :<

JediFonger said:
can you just use the wifi to connect to the web when you need to?
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Yes you can use just wifi. I have been using my HD7 with the $9.99 webtogo unlimited internet package { Max 5 gb before throttling } getting hsdpa (3G+ • 3.5) speeds using [ Internet2.voicestream.com ]. I am not locked in a contract because I bought the phone using the EM plan T-mobile offers.

good2know, thanks sly. i'd still like to wait for all the bugs to be ironed out and also can't live w/o my custom ringtones. once these issues get ironed out i'll jump in.

Yes
To answer the original question:
YES you can use WP7 without a data plan. I suppose if you are at home or work most of the time, then what the heck, save the $30. Internet on WP7 is much faster on WiFi than 3G (at least Rogers/Fido).
You can even use WP7 without a SIM (no voice, no data). It works great to play to play XBOX Live games and as a portable browser and mail client, LOL.
Also, you CAN buy the phone without a data plan (or a voice plan) -- you just have to pay the unsubsidized price.

thanks for the reply =)

I use my WP7 with data off almost 99% of the time and everything works just fine.

Can Sprint tell if we're tethering over wifi?

My understanding is that with PDANet, tethering looks like normal data use. Does Wireless Tether or the hacked Sprint Hotspot app (warm 2.2) also show up as normal data use or can Sprint tell you're tethering over wifi?
I ask because apparently AT&T has been sending letters to customers who use MyWi forcing them to either sign up for a tethering plan or stop tethering... Can (would?) Sprint do something similar?
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Sprint can't tell unless they use Deep Packet Inspection and see something like "Oh hey, what's all this encrypted traffic coming from Netflix's server?".
As for AT&T, they're just yelling at anyone with high amounts of data usage. Simple as that.

I dont think think they can. Just the other day, I went to the Sprint store and the guy noticed that my Evo "looked" different! He said "man how you do that!" I showed him the Rom and told him about rooting, tether and all. He said " "damm. show me how to do that on mines"....i told about Unrevoked and XDA. NOW Im sure he could be reading this thread!

i'm not sure if they can, but i think they stated publicly that they dont care. their paid one just works better, and on 3g and 4g, while consuming less battery than the rest. this is their response, and i think it works well. self-advertising while not angering devs. pretty good of them.

so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?

Evo13 said:
so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?
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if you switch roms, most have a hacked hospot to work on 3g. wifi tether app also works on 4g.

Evo13 said:
so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?
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you can do both no charge.

Sprint mainly checks for users exceeding the 5Gb per month for data. Other than that, it is difficult to tell without users feeling that their privacy is being invaded. 5Gb comes up quickly if you are streaming movies or downloading outside the normal browsing or youtube.

engelsione said:
I dont think think they can. Just the other day, I went to the Sprint store and the guy noticed that my Evo "looked" different! He said "man how you do that!" I showed him the Rom and told him about rooting, tether and all. He said " "damm. show me how to do that on mines"....i told about Unrevoked and XDA. NOW Im sure he could be reading this thread!
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Yeah, but it wouldn't be a store employee checking anyway. Either way, seems like they don't care.

My evo was rooted with revoked, but still using the standard rom. I was able to use wireless tether without converting to any other rom. Be sure to use the security features (passphrase and access control) to prevent inadvertent use by others.

TheEdge88 said:
Sprint mainly checks for users exceeding the 5Gb per month for data. Other than that, it is difficult to tell without users feeling that their privacy is being invaded. 5Gb comes up quickly if you are streaming movies or downloading outside the normal browsing or youtube.
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Sprint doesn't have a 5gb limit on smartphone plans, that is only on data cards on the 3g network. I just watched a commercial yesterday with Dan Hess stating that Sprints unlimited plans have no limits, unlike Verizon and AT&T.

cruise350 said:
Sprint doesn't have a 5gb limit on smartphone plans, that is only on data cards on the 3g network. I just watched a commercial yesterday with Dan Hess stating that Sprints unlimited plans have no limits, unlike Verizon and AT&T.
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they dont have a throttle, they just look into it if you pull that much. like somebody said earlier, if you're pulling 8 gigs from netflix's server, there is only one explanation.

Anybody know of any specific examples of customers getting called out for excessive data use or wifi tethering? I assume there would've been an outrage on XDA and I would've heard about it... I don't think it's happened yet.
I get it that Sprint says they're truly unlimited but I have a nagging suspicion that they're eventually going to crack down on unauthorized tethering. Not that that's going to stop me in the mean time!
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I'd have to dig through the contract and T&C but technically speaking wouldn't tethering without a plan be a contract violation? I'm not claiming to be Mr. Innocent here. I've done the free tethering and have had tethering plans. Just seems to me that since we all signed contracts legally speaking the carriers have more of a leg to stand on than we do.
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I think with the sale of tmobile to at&t, Sprint will increase their user base with people bailing either one. Maybe, hopefully not, they'll begin to check our usage.
Then again, they'll be moving to LTE. Which means those of us with wimax devices, yours truly, will be left to use our data to our desires. At least I hope so.
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I use over 20 gigs a month downloading files(ROMs, files for work, etc) and streaming videos to my phone and have for almost two years. Not once have I been throttled or warned.
Sent from my iPhone with the bigger Gee Bees.

So it sounds like the takeaway is that if Sprint wanted to, they could tell that you're tethering, but there is no evidence that they've ever done it or taken any action against customers... Cool.
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Sprint is a member of the open handset alliance. They don't care.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html

I use Slingplayer daily for hours sometimes, then I'll tether my iPad 2 and watch movies from my computer while traveling around via AirVideo. I am currently at 10GB of usage this month which is average, they never throttled me or anything.

I've hit over 12GB of usage regularly with no complaints from Sprint. YMMV.

SGSII and T-Zones - Help!

So my T-Mobile account uses T-Zones for data, and it's only $5.99 a month unlimited on the grandfathered plan. I had an iPhone 4 unlocked to Tmo, and it worked great. I just bought a T-Mo Galaxy SII, and using the SIM in that phone gets me no data. Voice works great, but no data at all. When putting a different active SIM in the SII it gets data fine. And I'm using a brand new 4G SIM so I know that's not the issue.
The question is - how can I continue on my current plan and use the SII with T-zones for my data? Will a custom ROM work? Do they use EIN to determine if you need the Android data plan? I'm rooted but on stock right now. I really really want to keep my current data plan because it's unlimited and cheapo.
Anyone know the answer to this one? Thanks so much for any help you can provide.

They told me I had to upgrade from my 19.99 unlimted Internet plan to use 4G on my old HTC Sensation. I can only imagine what they woudl say if you inquired about the 5.99 plan on your SG2.
Contact 611 & please keep us posted on the outcome

It looks like you need to manually enter the APNs.
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/5381...ed-data-for-5-99-works-wiphone-and-nexus-one/
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fbueller said:
So my T-Mobile account uses T-Zones for data, and it's only $5.99 a month unlimited on the grandfathered plan. I had an iPhone 4 unlocked to Tmo, and it worked great. I just bought a T-Mo Galaxy SII, and using the SIM in that phone gets me no data. Voice works great, but no data at all. When putting a different active SIM in the SII it gets data fine. And I'm using a brand new 4G SIM so I know that's not the issue.
The question is - how can I continue on my current plan and use the SII with T-zones for my data? Will a custom ROM work? Do they use EIN to determine if you need the Android data plan? I'm rooted but on stock right now. I really really want to keep my current data plan because it's unlimited and cheapo.
Anyone know the answer to this one? Thanks so much for any help you can provide.
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I had the same plan as you on my Nokia N82 and after upgrading to Samsung Vibrant, I found out there is no way to use tzones with android phones except Nexus one. Now I pay for the android data plan, hopefully you have better luck.

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It looks like you need to manually enter the APNs.
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I've tried all the APNs out there for Tmo and none work. I'll call retentions tomorrow (I'm out of contract so they should take good care of me) and let you know what happens.

T-Zones is a grandfathered plan and it only works with phones that uses 2G, which are only the basic phones. The SGS2 requires the Android data plan/Smartphone data plan which if you call retention, they should offer you for 20$.

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T-Zones is a grandfathered plan and it only works with phones that uses 2G, which are only the basic phones. The SGS2 requires the Android data plan/Smartphone data plan which if you call retention, they should offer you for 20$.
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Yeah, but that'd be 2GB before throttle, correct? And 5GB for $30? Sucky.

fbueller said:
Yeah, but that'd be 2GB before throttle, correct? And 5GB for $30? Sucky.
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Ask for the 5gb $20 plan.
Deebo took your bike too?

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Ask for the 5gb $20 plan.
Deebo took your bike too?
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Yeah, if you've been a long time customer with T-Mobile, they should be able to offer you the 5GB 20$ plan.

DyingBlade said:
Yeah, if you've been a long time customer with T-Mobile, they should be able to offer you the 5GB 20$ plan.
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I got. 5GB plan for $20 and $10 off each month for two years. It's basically $2 more a month than I was paying before, I can live with that. 2 year contract required.
Thanks for all the help!

on a side note, tzone won't work with phones that have tmobile logo on them because tmo scan the
imei #, a phone id.
it should work with phones that have international versions..check sensation, o3d ( make sure tmo version because they also have att version with same model p920)

The only Android phone I ever go to work on $5 and $10 unlimited internet was my HD2 which wasn't technically an Android phone . Was pretty pissed when I had to switch to the EM+ $20 5GB plan.

Any phone thats not branded tmobile will work. I would never get rid of that plan. If you get the galaxy s2 from telus it will work fine. For some reason the htc tmobile mytouch slide will work also just popped my sim in one and it's been working for over a month and other android phones on tmobile stop working right away. Data is data that android plan stuff from tmobile is a scam if they dont have your imei listed in there logs the phone will work.

Yep.... It's IMEI locked and not according to some fallacies that some people threw out there (only works with 2g/3g, older phones). It WILL work with new smartphones just not ones purchased from T-mobile. The European Sensation works with T-zones. The Telus SGS2 will work with T-Zones. The upcoming Galaxy Nexus will work with T-zones (if bought elsewhere BUT t-mobile) Do your own research before listening to other people's advice.
Never get rid of that plan. It's truly 100% unlimited and unthrottled. If you got rid of it because of people here, i feel sorry for you man. If I were you, I would return the phone, get the T-zone option back and purchase the Telus SGS2. It's more expensive but worth it in the long run ($15 savings every month). Alternatively, just wait for the penta-band GSM HSPA+ Galaxy Nexus from ATT, Sprint and directly from google.

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Yep.... It's IMEI locked and not according to some fallacies that some people threw out there (only works with 2g/3g, older phones). It WILL work with new smartphones just not ones purchased from T-mobile. The European Sensation works with T-zones. The Telus SGS2 will work with T-Zones. The upcoming Galaxy Nexus will work with T-zones (if bought elsewhere BUT t-mobile) Do your own research before listening to other people's advice.
Never get rid of that plan. It's truly 100% unlimited and unthrottled. If you got rid of it because of people here, i feel sorry for you man. If I were you, I would return the phone, get the T-zone option back and purchase the Telus SGS2. It's more expensive but worth it in the long run ($15 savings every month). Alternatively, just wait for the penta-band GSM HSPA+ Galaxy Nexus from ATT, Sprint and directly from google.
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The only set back with keeping the tzone plan and with the phones that would work on the plan are the download speed. With this phone, I can get 10mb easy, but with my N1, using tzone, the max I ever got was 3mb (average of around 1.6-2.0). If you get a unsubsidized phone for say $500, you'll need 2 years or so just to break even (assuming you get the tmobile version for $200. you can get it for way less now).
The only good thing about tzones are the real unlimited usuage, but not many ppl uses 5gb every month. I know cause I was using the N1.

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The only set back with keeping the tzone plan and with the phones that would work on the plan are the download speed. With this phone, I can get 10mb easy, but with my N1, using tzone, the max I ever got was 3mb (average of around 1.6-2.0). If you get a unsubsidized phone for say $500, you'll need 2 years or so just to break even (assuming you get the tmobile version for $200. you can get it for way less now).
The only good thing about tzones are the real unlimited usuage, but not many ppl uses 5gb every month. I know cause I was using the N1.
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Not sure about the speeds.. but i don't know enough/read enough to see if they put you on a different speed profile. They talked a lot of T-zones on Howardforums and that's where i picked up the IMEI restriction. Probably a lot more info there if people want to check it out.
But the N1 vs. the GSG2 radios are way different. Perhaps it's just the phone. A fair comparison would be the telus vs. t-mo version. But i doubt anyone has both to compare.
Up to the OP, depends on his/her usage and what they're willing to pay.

from my understanding as far as speeds are concern, sg2 and htc amaze are the only fist ones that have 42mb data chipset build in. most other ones are either 14.4 or 21mb chip.

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from my understanding as far as speeds are concern, sg2 and htc amaze are the only fist ones that have 42mb data chipset build in. most other ones are either 14.4 or 21mb chip.
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Yep. I got the telus sgs2x.... amazing. The highest I ever got was only 10mbps though. But that might change with tmobile getting free crap from AT&T .

The T-Mobile SGS2 is definitely IMEI locked on the APNs, as i've learned the hard way. There is also a number of other limitations being imposed that i've only come across on this handset:
Tethering - Instead of stock Android tethering, there is a tethering manager app that checks for tethering subscriptions and prevents data on the phone from working while tethering. Easily frozen or removed with titanium backup to work.
Wifi Calling - claims to need a new sim card, but according to rep requires a newer data plan (currently on one of the legacy plans). my plan seems to work with the g2 and it's wifi calling app, however i haven't looked for a work around yet
There were some other things i noticed that were software enforced on the handset, but didn't make notes as I went along

@fg I was told by customer service that I don't need to change my data plan. I was told I can keep my 200mb data plan but I would need to go to tmobile store to pick up a new sim card for free to enable wifi calling.

[Q] Advice Needed - 3G or WiFi only?

Hello!
I'm thinking of getting myself the new nexus with 3G when it comes out, but there might be a problem.
I've looked over the forum for the original nexus 7 and seen there are a lot more custom roms or other goodies for the wifi only version. Will this be the case as well with this year's 7? Which one would you pick?
Thanks!

asp2010 said:
Hello!
I'm thinking of getting myself the new nexus with 3G when it comes out, but there might be a problem.
I've looked over the forum for the original nexus 7 and seen there are a lot more custom roms or other goodies for the wifi only version. Will this be the case as well with this year's 7? Which one would you pick?
Thanks!
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Keep in mind that the new N7 is actually LTE, whereas the old one was only HSPA+ (3.5G).
It really comes down to personal preference. Do you see yourself using it? Is it worth the added cost for the device, plus the added monthly fee ($10-50/month). Can you accomplish the same goal with tethering?
I got the N73G but opted for the non-LTE N7-2.
To answer your other question, I can almost certainly guarantee you that there will be less custom development for the LTE version compared to the non-LTE one. It comes down to the percentage of what people have, especially the developers. Many custom mods are generic and can be used on either type, but ROMs will be for one or the other.

I live in Europe and LTE plans are quite rare and expensive here, so I'd most likely only use it on 3G networks.
Is there any way a rom for the wifi-only version could be ported to the LTE one?
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LTE is a waste for the initial purchase cost. An extra $10 a month for Verizon isnt bad but it isn't practical. That's why I have a phone.
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Not worth it if you can can WIFI tether. Only case where you might want it is if you use VOIP, like Google Voice plus Groove IP, and SIM swap in place of your phone. Personally, not worth the $118 difference.

I like having 3G access on a tablet or laptop, it's just so nice to be able to just turn on and go. I do not trust any wifi that I don't have have full control of, a man in the middle attack is trivial. Even at Jury Duty, I used my 3G data instead of the free wifi. Thankfully I have an Ipad unlimited plan from ATT, so I don't ever worry about using too much data. Since my phone and phone data is only $35 and my ipad plan is $30, it's not to expensive. If my phone plan was $80+ then I probably would not have kept my ipad data plan. I'll be buying a Nexus 7 LTE.

So it will be 4G LTE? Any chance I'd be able to use it as a phone?

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I like having 3G access on a tablet or laptop, it's just so nice to be able to just turn on and go. I do not trust any wifi that I don't have have full control of, a man in the middle attack is trivial. Even at Jury Duty, I used my 3G data instead of the free wifi. Thankfully I have an Ipad unlimited plan from ATT, so I don't ever worry about using too much data. Since my phone and phone data is only $35 and my ipad plan is $30, it's not to expensive. If my phone plan was $80+ then I probably would not have kept my ipad data plan. I'll be buying a Nexus 7 LTE.
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Easier and cheaper to just use a VPN if security is your main concern.
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So it will be 4G LTE? Any chance I'd be able to use it as a phone?
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Yes.
Unknown, but unlikely if they follow the same as the N73G.

phonic said:
Easier and cheaper to just use a VPN if security is your main concern.
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If ports aren't blocked. It's just a matter of ease of use. I pop into a clients office and don't have to ask wifi access or fumble with my phone. It's more professional. People are always impressed, I whip out the laptop, it boots in 7 seconds and 3 seconds later I'm connected to my server and working. Same at an airport and no dealing with congested accesspoints.
Once you have had an always connected device , you never want to go back to wifi.