[Q] vijendrahs CM10.1 vs AOKP vs CM10 - Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Has anyone tried any of these ROMs for a decent amount of time, and can suggest which one is the most stable. The AOKP one apparently has an issue where all of the apps get wiped, and the CM10 ones have a quiet notification sound issue. Anyone that has used both can you please let me know your experiences?

chromium96 said:
Has anyone tried any of these ROMs for a decent amount of time, and can suggest which one is the most stable. The AOKP one apparently has an issue where all of the apps get wiped, and the CM10 ones have a quiet notification sound issue. Anyone that has used both can you please let me know your experiences?
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try PARANOIDANDROID v2.99 betaNINE+ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2131790&page=11
this ROM based on AOKP. I don't have any issues with wiped apps. Sometime with this ROM happen some smal issues? but not critical.

New Vijendras ROM not worked
chromium96 said:
Has anyone tried any of these ROMs for a decent amount of time, and can suggest which one is the most stable. The AOKP one apparently has an issue where all of the apps get wiped, and the CM10 ones have a quiet notification sound issue. Anyone that has used both can you please let me know your experiences?
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I use ROM from Vijendrahs version 4.5, and I basically satisfied. All of its updates (4.6, 4.7, 4.7.1) do not work. When I install ROM, phone is loaded and I receive "System UI has stopped".

CM10.1 update 4.7.1
Bonus7777 said:
I use ROM from Vijendrahs version 4.5, and I basically satisfied. All of its updates (4.6, 4.7, 4.7.1) do not work. When I install ROM, phone is loaded and I receive "System UI has stopped".
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you'll have to wipe the cace/factory reset after install!
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chromium96 said:
Has anyone tried any of these ROMs for a decent amount of time, and can suggest which one is the most stable. The AOKP one apparently has an issue where all of the apps get wiped, and the CM10 ones have a quiet notification sound issue. Anyone that has used both can you please let me know your experiences?
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Hello,
I've tryed all this ROM's for one week all.
Biggest issues:
AOKP : i had alot of soft reboots.
CM10: Nothing, only a little bit slow.
CM10.1 : Perfect, only phone gets really hot.
Also , i tried the BCM, link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1403113
I think that is the most stable, and best ROM for the HTC Desire.

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you'll have to wipe the cace/factory reset after install!
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Hello,
I've tryed all this ROM's for one week all.
Biggest issues:
AOKP : i had alot of soft reboots.
CM10: Nothing, only a little bit slow.
CM10.1 : Perfect, only phone gets really hot.
Also , i tried the BCM, link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1403113
I think that is the most stable, and best ROM for the HTC Desire.
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Thanks for the reply, that was exactly what i was looking for. I think im going to flash cm10.1.
Actually i used to use BCM (with m2sd). I used it for a couple months, and it was very stable however one day
it froze and rebooted, and all my apps were gone.
Right now im running this paranoid android port:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1859541
Its really slow but the only reason im sticking with it is because it works great with m2sd.
When you used CM10.1 did you use m2sd? If so, did it work well?

Related

Why several CM10 thread ?

Hi,
I'm considering switching on HTC one X, and so to install cm10 on it but as i read the forum, i'm wondering : what are the differences between this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786696 and this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784185 ?
iamapay said:
Hi,
I'm considering switching on HTC one X, and so to install cm10 on it but as i read the forum, i'm wondering : what are the differences between this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786696 and this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784185 ?
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I might be wrong but this is what i think
The 1st link you posted is managed by the CM developers, the second link is Tripndroid who based his/her/their rom on the base of the CM developers rom. Basically adding and removing tweaks that this person/team likes and dislikes
If your considering rooting and installing a custom rom. I can recommend the 1st link been using their roms for more than a month now and it's very good rom. If there is anything about sense that you like and will miss try the Sense roms. (Viper and ARHD) are the two major ones that i looked into, before settling on CM10.
alexx_za said:
I might be wrong but this is what i think
The 1st link you posted is managed by the CM developers, the second link is Tripndroid who based his/her/their rom on the base of the CM developers rom. Basically adding and removing tweaks that this person/team likes and dislikes
If your considering rooting and installing a custom rom. I can recommend the 1st link been using their roms for more than a month now and it's very good rom. If there is anything about sense that you like and will miss try the Sense roms. (Viper and ARHD) are the two major ones that i looked into, before settling on CM10.
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hi there just adding to the above post. the first rom is developed with an ultimate goal of becoming the official CM rom, and is ready for everyday use soo far from my experience. The second one is Tripndroid, and he adds his own tweaks as far as i know. however i havent used his ROM yet to know for sure.
iamapay said:
Hi,
I'm considering switching on HTC one X, and so to install cm10 on it but as i read the forum, i'm wondering : what are the differences between this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786696 and this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784185 ?
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Hi there, I am running the ROM from the first post and it's brilliant. I have tried the second one and found it had quite a few bugs and was not nearly as finished as the first ROM. I am busy downloading alpha 5 now to try and am sure it will be just as great as the rest of his updates have been.
Thought I would give my info based on user experience of both ROMs. Also depends on what you looking for; quick ROM or fancy looking, awesome features or a stripped out version.
Well thanks guys, i think i'll go for the TeamNDVRu when i receive my phone, but still waiting september to see if it's worth it or not.
And what about the known issues ?
- Occasional soft-reboots with GPS On + Facebook ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...postcount=2184 )
- WiFi direct doesnt work
- MHL output is rotated incorrectly to portrait in horizontal mode (but workaround added since alpha 8 for hw decoded videos/youtube. Use bsplayer from playstore, almost all videos play with it in correct rotation in hwoverlay)
- No FM radio app in ROM. But Spirit FM works from market (it's commercial!)
- USB storage copies slower than normal
- Some paid apps loses settings/acconts due to this android jellybean problem: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=34880 Solution is to backup with Titanium Backup and restore to internal memory, not to sd
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iamapay said:
And what about the known issues ?
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Some of them will only occur if you have special need for something. (e.g. wifi direct)
Some of them don't occur for everyone. (facebook+gps reboot)
None of them are really a huge concern if you are willing to try jelly bean. And for most of them there is a workaround, fix given in the text you quoted. I have a jelly bean rom installed and I have to say that I don't really feel any negative impact by those known bugs/issues. But do note, that most of these ROMs are not as stable as the 4.0.4 ROMs like ViperX.
I have been using tbaldens ROM and it has been quite good. The ones by trip I have found to be a bit unstable.
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New on GNex

Hello everyone, I just moved from Motorola atrix to this incredible device,rooted it and unlocked the boot loader and now I need a good ROM.I tried the BuglessBeast and now i'm on AOKP .
Can someone suggest me a good ROM for it's performance and stability (stock look if it's possible) and a good kernel for it? I'm not asking for "the best ROM", I would just like some suggestions from you.
pure android 4.2
calinoii said:
Hello everyone, I just moved from Motorola atrix to this incredible device,rooted it and unlocked the boot loader and now I need a good ROM.I tried the BuglessBeast and now i'm on AOKP .
Can someone suggest me a good ROM for it's performance and stability (stock look if it's possible) and a good kernel for it? I'm not asking for "the best ROM", I would just like some suggestions from you.
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pure android 4.2 is great
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rick.benham said:
pure android 4.2 is great
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is there a 4.2 rom that i can overclock and undervolt my phone?
i have the verizon nexus and installed the pure android 4.2 rom. it runs great. but i cant overclock it and one of my friends has a aokp rom i believe that is still 4.1 but he can overclock it to like 1.6 or so. i would love to know if there is a clean stock-ish rom that doesnt have any fancy launcher or anything that i could overclock to beat him but still have 4.2. any help is great but if there isnt one its no prob.
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pure android 4.2 is great
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is there a 4.2 rom that i can overclock and undervolt my phone?
i have the verizon nexus and installed the pure android 4.2 rom. it runs great. but i cant overclock it and one of my friends has a aokp rom i believe that is still 4.1 but he can overclock it to like 1.6 or so. i would love to know if there is a clean stock-ish rom that doesnt have any fancy launcher or anything that i could overclock to beat him but still have 4.2. any help is great but if there isnt one its no prob.
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If all your research tells you that the rom controls oc, then it's not for you, stay away from it for now.
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Tried 4.2 and it sucks...low games performance,scrolling is laggy, locking,unlocking is also laggy...so,can someone can tell me something else?
calinoii said:
Tried 4.2 and it sucks...low games performance,scrolling is laggy, locking,unlocking is also laggy...so,can someone can tell me something else?
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using dax fnv aosp and its the shiz... and stock 4.2 was fast for me
You can use stock 4.2 ,just flash a custom kernel which is what actually allows the over clocking. Franco kernel is good. Then download a CPU control app from the play store.
calinoii said:
Hello everyone, I just moved from Motorola atrix to this incredible device,rooted it and unlocked the boot loader and now I need a good ROM.I tried the BuglessBeast and now i'm on AOKP .
Can someone suggest me a good ROM for it's performance and stability (stock look if it's possible) and a good kernel for it? I'm not asking for "the best ROM", I would just like some suggestions from you.
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The pacman ROM is pretty decent, you should go with a 4.1.X ROM because Google did an ehh job with 4.2 test away though, some ROMs are much different than they look
Sparx639
Isn't the pacman ROM in alpha stage?? That means it's not stable :-/
calinoii said:
Hello everyone, I just moved from Motorola atrix to this incredible device,rooted it and unlocked the boot loader and now I need a good ROM.I tried the BuglessBeast and now i'm on AOKP .
Can someone suggest me a good ROM for it's performance and stability (stock look if it's possible) and a good kernel for it? I'm not asking for "the best ROM", I would just like some suggestions from you.
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try this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1361348
it uses stock kernel.
calinoii said:
Isn't the pacman ROM in alpha stage?? That means it's not stable :-/
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its pretty stable other than some minor bugs
AR HD rom webpage is down and i can't download it,can someone give me something else?:-/
Minco ROM. Pure AOSP with franco kernel. Im also new to GN but I like this one quite much
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I'm running CodenameAndroids 3.6 rom, and I haven't found one I like better yet. Tons of customization options. Love the navigation bar options and options to add and change swipe up shortcuts. I'm running Franco's kernel too, but haven't tried oc'ing. Not much of a gamer, so I don't feel the need.
What kind of franco's kernel? I mean experimental or stable? Any kind of oc?(cpu and gpu)
I'm running Milestone 6 stable. I'm pretty sure u can OC but to what IDK.
Now im using BuglessBeast and franco's stable kernel...i don't know if i'm crazy but some games are still laggy:-/ like Dungeon Hunter 3. What's the probleeem ?!?
I am in a similar position and didn't want to start another thread.
I am getting a used GNex tonight...
My start point is a Nexus S with CM10 nightlies and the Marmite kernel. Having Used CM7, CM9 and CM10 on 2 different devices, my temptation is to go for CM10 again. I am not a heavy user and don't play games on a phone, but the most important think to me is battery life (with smoothness a close second of course)..
Can someone please recommend me a battery saving kernel with CM10?
Or another good ROM / kernel combo?
TIA.
Sorry - I realise that I just killed a panda
Can anybody tell me if faux's kernels are OK?
dhi29 said:
You can use stock 4.2 ,just flash a custom kernel which is what actually allows the over clocking. Franco kernel is good. Then download a CPU control app from the play store.
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I want to do the same thing
I want my stock ROM but with a kernel that provides good battery life and also want to root for some applications to work
But I am relatively new to nexus
Can you please provide me any link for this because I haven't found any thread which is just about changing kernel
All of them gives you guidelines about flashing kernel with custom recovery
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Non sense roms reboot when recording video

I've returned to htc desire flashing after near one year. I see now there are quite good non-sense roms, but every one has the same issue for me: when I try to record video the phone freezes and/or randomly reboots.
I read it could be due to not having flashed the last radio. I did it, but the phone still freezes and reboots.
Any suggestion?
arventaria said:
I've returned to htc desire flashing after near one year. I see now there are quite good non-sense roms, but every one has the same issue for me: when I try to record video the phone freezes and/or randomly reboots.
I read it could be due to not having flashed the last radio. I did it, but the phone still freezes and reboots.
Any suggestion?
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and what "non sense" rom r u using?
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and what "non sense" rom r u using?
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I tried with several roms, such as mildwild jelly-gingerbread, miui xj, CM10.1 VJ Touchwiz... No way with any of them. I even re-flashed latest radio, full wipes, etc.
arventaria said:
I tried with several roms, such as mildwild jelly-gingerbread, miui xj, CM10.1 VJ Touchwiz... No way with any of them. I even re-flashed latest radio, full wipes, etc.
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CM.10.1 video recording is a no go but mildwild roms should be just fine. did u read any of the post in the mildwild threads n see if anyone else has this problem? coz when i used mildwild CM and Redux, i could record no problem. mite be hardware, i dunno. try flash a sense rom like cool droid v3 or any of the older sense roms and see if its still the same.
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CM.10.1 video recording is a no go but mildwild roms should be just fine. did u read any of the post in the mildwild threads n see if anyone else has this problem? coz when i used mildwild CM and Redux, i could record no problem. mite be hardware, i dunno. try flash a sense rom like cool droid v3 or any of the older sense roms and see if its still the same.
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That's the point: it doesn't happen with cooldroid, nor any sense rom; but it happens with any rom without sense. Maybe an extrange hardward issue.
arventaria said:
I tried with several roms, such as mildwild jelly-gingerbread, miui xj, CM10.1 VJ Touchwiz... No way with any of them. I even re-flashed latest radio, full wipes, etc.
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Android 4.xx.xx ROMs aren't stable yet in their cameras. I don't know how you get reboots in Gingerbread ROMs, and specially a CM ROM??????????????
alicarbovader said:
Android 4.xx.xx ROMs aren't stable yet in their cameras. I don't know how you get reboots in Gingerbread ROMs, and specially a CM ROM??????????????
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I do not either know it. But after some google search I fixed permissions by cwm and I managed to record up to 30 seconds. More time always causes freeeze and reboot. I tried with gb mildwild, miui and this ics rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095658
arventaria said:
I do not either know it. But after some google search I fixed permissions by cwm and I managed to record up to 30 seconds. More time always causes freeeze and reboot. I tried with gb mildwild, miui and this ics rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095658
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I'm using a patched camera app from HTC OneX and it's working fine. Well not exactly upto the standard, but no more tearing animation on Nikez's ROM... Besides, the JB camera is far better than GB ones.
alicarbovader said:
I'm using a patched camera app from HTC OneX and it's working fine. Well not exactly upto the standard, but no more tearing animation on Nikez's ROM... Besides, the JB camera is far better than GB ones.
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Where can I get it?
arventaria said:
Where can I get it?
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Here are these. Btw, make a nand backup before doing that....
alicarbovader said:
Here are these. Btw, make a nand backup before doing that....
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Ok, I'll try it and tell.
arventaria said:
Ok, I'll try it and tell.
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Do please... These days, I've taken to look at other devices' fora, and downloading their apps and libraries, just to find a good match for Desire..
I flashed that 4.2 camera, but no camera app appears once rebooted.

[Q] most stable rom sense/non-sense?

Hey Everyone! please tell me which is the most stable sense and non sense rom??? Which rom and kernel combination is the best?? I have already checked out the similar threads but most of them are outdated so please help me out thanks
I can't speak for Sense ROMs but I've been running Chillybean's CM10 ROMs for the past few months -- only a few bugs with sound and reboots up until the most recent 20130929 build (CM10.2 / JB 4.3).
kahlil88 said:
I can't speak for Sense ROMs but I've been running Chillybean's CM10 ROMs for the past few months -- only a few bugs with sound and reboots up until the most recent 20130929 build (CM10.2 / JB 4.3).
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I tried flashing and Im stuck on the cynogen mod logo spining on boot... extreme noob, i recieved the phone from my brother who said it was already rooted that i should just look for the right room and install it via recovery menu.
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shamnex said:
I tried flashing and Im stuck on the cynogen mod logo spining on boot... extreme noob, i recieved the phone from my brother who said it was already rooted that i should just look for the right room and install it via recovery menu.
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I have it running now but it doesnt seem to be detecting my GSM sim.Is it gsm compatible?
shamnex said:
I tried flashing and Im stuck on the cynogen mod logo spining on boot... extreme noob, i recieved the phone from my brother who said it was already rooted that i should just look for the right room and install it via recovery menu.
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I have it running now but it doesnt seem to be detecting my GSM sim.Is it gsm compatible?
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All of chillybeans's 4.3 roms that is cm10.2 beanstalk 4.3 don't have working gsm if you want gsm I would recommend Leoposas's Zoe Rom its cm10.1 and runs really great
I saw this thread on how to enable gsm on Verizon mobiles running up to 4.4 but I tired to use it on chillys PacRom 4.3....
I wonder if am doing it all right or does the rom have no gsm support at all
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394689
well it really all depends if you like sense or if you like aosp or aokp. if you just want a good rom for daily basis id suggest a sense rom. if you're into customization then more than likely you're gonna want to go with aosp or aokp. but with you using gsm those roms are kinda iffy seeing as a lot of them for gsm use are still in the works. if you do want an aosp rom tho id suggest cm7 i do believe for most builds they do have gsm working or you can try the global roms made for gsm or that Zoe rom if you're wanting to be on jellybean. ive got cdma so my options arent as limited. hope this helps in some way.
You should all try Chillybean's fly-CM10.2 its really fast and smooth and has working gsm its 4.3
Yeah its a pretty cool rom. Still having a bit of problems in the cm source tho like with screenshots and torch but its definitely worth check out.
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And the thing with the gsm patch even tho it says it will enable gsm on verizon cdma phones doesnt mean it will work on all devices and patches dont always fix the problem if its deeper upstream related. Hope this helps.
Downloaded and flashed chillys cm10.2 minus the screenshot problem, absence of nav bar, buggy status bar when using xposed tinted status bar....its an awesome smooth ROM, a nic bream from the constant reboots of the 4.2 ROMs.
Thanks for the info
I've tried all of Chilly's ROMs, and the most stable for me is 10.2 (4.2.2) Slim Bean. All of the others eventually slow down and require frequent reboots. At this point, I don't know if it's something in the rom, or the B-Team kernel, but I think I've settled into SlimBean with the "stock" Chilly-evervolv kernel. It's the fastest/snappiest, and hopefully stays that way.
The only thing I'm missing is the CM Voice+ app.
I'm not sure which post I found it in, but this stock rom minus most Verizon crud is called
6.01.605.05_VZW__OTA-stripped-odex.zip
It's stabled but not "new".
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ArslanQureshi said:
You should all try Chillybean's fly-CM10.2 its really fast and smooth and has working gsm its 4.3
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I might have to give that a shot, what's the difference between "fly" and his other CM10.2 ROM?
kahlil88n 376 said:
I might have to give that a shot, what's the difference between "fly" and his other Android CM10.2 ROM?
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The fly one is modded fly is the name of the mod whereas the other is pure stock. Look up fly mod in the Android development section for details of the mod
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I've tried all of Chilly's ROMs, and the most stable for me is 10.2 (4.2.2) Slim Bean. All of the others eventually slow down and require frequent reboots. At this point, I don't know if it's something in the rom, or the B-Team kernel, but I think I've settled into SlimBean with the "stock" Chilly-evervolv kernel. It's the fastest/snappiest, and hopefully stays that way.
The only thing I'm missing is the CM Voice+ app.
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What do you mean by the "stock" chilly-evervolv kernel? I've been searching for a bit and can't find it. I've had the same issue with the slowdowns and I'd like to give this one more shot before reverting back to the sense roms.
kennywr said:
What do you mean by the "stock" chilly-evervolv kernel? I've been searching for a bit and can't find it. I've had the same issue with the slowdowns and I'd like to give this one more shot before reverting back to the sense roms.
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"Stock" in this case means the kernel that comes with Chilly's 10.2 slim bean, as opposed to a kernel like B-team that you have to download and flash separately.

should i update to new firmware

I have been running the final version CleanROM ACE since last year and it has been great for the most part. I do get random shutdowns and reboot nowadays once in awhile and not sure what is causing it. With all the new roms, stock 4.42, AOSP variants, is it worth the time to update? What I am missing out here?
ART worth the upgrade?
Stability?
Speed?
any new features. Miracast sucked on the Cleanrom from my experience.
How's Driver support for AOSP. I need the digitizer working.
I don't want to upgrade just for upgrade's sake. Anyone can share their experience?
Thanks:highfive:
sp
I would the modem is better and kitkat is way smoother unless you are running an asop rom but art isn't that good yet I can't really tell if I have it on or not but try this rom im running it as we speak and I think you'll like it hes trying an updated version but just do an backup and try it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2803363
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This is the version im running its called buttnaked lol its completely debloated it really feels like an asop rom cuz how smooth it feels and no bloat
http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23501681358557170
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spx2000 said:
I have been running the final version CleanROM ACE since last year and it has been great for the most part. I do get random shutdowns and reboot nowadays once in awhile and not sure what is causing it. With all the new roms, stock 4.42, AOSP variants, is it worth the time to update? What I am missing out here?
ART worth the upgrade?
Stability?
Speed?
any new features. Miracast sucked on the Cleanrom from my experience.
How's Driver support for AOSP. I need the digitizer working.
I don't want to upgrade just for upgrade's sake. Anyone can share their experience?
Thanks:highfive:
sp
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That rom I posted a link it has agni kernel built in and I can give you my settings for it to if you wanna try it out
just installed and it seems to be running fine. One question tho? what's the best way to manage app permission on 4.4.2?
one reason I stayed in clearrom is that I could install an App to stop unauthorized access to contact, sms and etc.
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I would the modem is better and kitkat is way smoother unless you are running an asop rom but art isn't that good yet I can't really tell if I have it on or not but try this rom im running it as we speak and I think you'll like it hes trying an updated version but just do an backup and try it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2803363
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