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Maybe its just me, but when I first got the phone I had no problems.. Now after rooting and flashing custom roms I get random freezes, crazy battery drain and the infamous LOS.. and contrary to popular belief it has something to do with root.. I didn't root my phone or anything for at least a week after having it and none of the problems started until after.. Most people are having are probably having the same issues but since members on here always want to bite your head off anytime you say something they don't agree with, noone says anything. Im just making an observation and if you don't like it, feel free to hit the back button anyways, anyone feel the same way? BTW this isn't a rant against the developers. They are all great and I appreciate all the hard work.. I just feel like theres a missing link or something causing the problems.. what are ypur thoughts
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Lol, no.
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I feel the same way... I'm getting serious battery loss after flashing a few of these roms.. with stock Rom I was getting a good 20 hours moderate use.. now with custom roms I'm getting like 10 hourz... I'm In noway knocking on any devs.. I do appreciate everyones contribution... I think it's a lil still early in the galaxy development
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Mine ran great fresh out the box for sure, but thats also because it was fresh and had no apps installed etc lol.
Some roms seem to work better than others. Running Starbust 1.2 with zedo's 4.1 kernel and it's running absolutely great now, better than unrooted IMO.
Could be grass in greener on the other side syndrome, try unrooting and see if you still feel that it runs better stock. With ODIN it's pretty quick and easy to jump back from rooted to not and back again.
I will always be rooted because I love trying out new things and custom roms and overclocking/undervolting etc.. it's fun, like a hobby for sure. And sometimes that hobby especially with beta stuff isnt that stable lol!
Just having adfree and wifi tethering is more than enough reason for me to root. But when the really cool custom roms start coming out, it's gunna be on like donkey kong
I did run a rooted rom with the stock kernel, and I have to say I like zedo's better.
My 2 cents
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Maybe its just me, but when I first got the phone I had no problems.. Now after rooting and flashing custom roms I get random freezes, crazy battery drain and the infamous LOS.. and contrary to popular belief it has something to do with root.. I didn't root my phone or anything for at least a week after having it and none of the problems started until after.. Most people are having are probably having the same issues but since members on here always want to bite your head off anytime you say something they don't agree with, noone says anything. Im just making an observation and if you don't like it, feel free to hit the back button anyways, anyone feel the same way? BTW this isn't a rant against the developers. They are all great and I appreciate all the hard work.. I just feel like theres a missing link or something causing t runninghe problems.. what are ypur thoughts
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
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I'm running stock + root.
There's nothing even remotely interesting to me in the current incarnations of the 3-4 roms available - they are all stock+ mods+ bugs.
Thank you very much but I can install those mods myself.
It's your own fault your phone is running like crap - don't mod it if you don't know what you are doing.
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Source?
My stock-rooted E4GT is working just fine. No LoS, no random reboots, no freezing up, no locking up... no bloat, great battery life, no BS.
I had a ton of issues with LOS and some random reboots on Zedomax's root kernel. Flashed to the stock + CMR and havent had an issue since.
I'll be serious now.
Aside from me disagreeing that root is the cause of LOS issues (I got them stock too) this is all part of the fun of modifying your gadgets.
Fun? Yeah, I said fun. These are insanely complex devices and it is still very early in their development cycle. If you aren't game then style out of it for a while until things mature. Hacking around ain't for everybody... As long as I maintain basic functionality I/we will (eventually) figure out the rest. That's the fun part.
That said I haven't experienced any of what you describe, besides a few unexpected FCs.
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I'm running stock + root.
There's nothing even remotely interesting to me in the current incarnations of the 3-4 roms available - they are all stock+ mods+ bugs.
Thank you very much but I can install those mods myself.
It's your own fault your phone is running like crap - don't mod it if you don't know what you are doing.
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Haha ur a clown.. I've probably been modding my phones before you had your first smartphone. I've been modding smartphones since the T-Mobile mda days and Ive had 8 or 9 since then all modded. I know the risks that come with modding. So don't assume because you jus make an ass out of... well you know the rest. Anyway.. I was just making a statement to maybe see if others are having the same issues, or if maybe its just my handset. I'm going to try going back to Stock rooted and see if the issues continue.. right now I'm on starburst 1.2 with zedo 4.1.
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I'll be serious now.
Aside from me disagreeing that root is the cause of LOS issues (I got them stock too) this is all part of the fun of modifying your gadgets.
Fun? Yeah, I said fun. These are insanely complex devices and it is still very early in their development cycle. If you aren't game then style out of it for a while until things mature. Hacking around ain't for everybody... As long as I maintain basic functionality I/we will (eventually) figure out the rest. That's the fun part.
That said I haven't experienced any of what you describe, besides a few unexpected FCs.
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I agree with the fun part.. I mod anything I get my hands on. Not only my phones. Computers, cars you name it.. its in my nature.
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I'm stock with root, and it runs smoother than when I was on oc kernel
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I agree that LOS is not caused by rooted kernal. But, I did experience LOS alot more often than stock kernal. When I got the phone I stayed unrooted for a little over a week. I experienced 2 LOS during that time period. Once I finally rooted I was experiencing LOS @ least 3 times a day. LOS also drains the battery like crazy. One night I left the phone off the charger with 100% battery life. When I woke up, the phone was in LOS and only had 40% battery life. Well, today last night I finally switched to stock kernal. So far today no LOS.
I digress. Stock rom works perfect but I needed so mods that require root. The battery percent mod, wireless tether, and roam control. I think I'll wait for an AOSP rom before I try anything different roms.
I've tried all the currently available kernals for ths phone. I've rooted and unrooted. Right now, i'm on stock rooted. I'm still experiencing LOS, but it seems less frequent than when I was on custom kernals. It could be other criteria, though. I haven't tried any of the ROMs, only because I want a stock ROM to flash, if something goes wrong. I don't remember the epic taking this long to get the stock ROM available to us. My memory may be slipping, though.
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jok3sta said:
Haha ur a clown.. I've probably been modding my phones before you had your first smartphone. I've been modding smartphones since the T-Mobile mda days and Ive had 8 or 9 since then all modded. I know the risks that come with modding. So don't assume because you jus make an ass out of... well you know the rest. Anyway.. I was just making a statement to maybe see if others are having the same issues, or if maybe its just my handset. I'm going to try going back to Stock rooted and see if the issues continue.. right now I'm on starburst 1.2 with zedo 4.1.
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Stop whining!
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Stop whining!
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Not really sure where you see whining. But I do see a clown who has nothing better to do that reply to my "whining". thanks for the post bump though. Now back on topic.. lets keep this sucka free please
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this is why I will wait another week or 2 before rooting....this phone is awe sum as stock, but, like any newly released phone, it takes a few weeks before all the truly revolutionary stuff gets developed.
Most devs have a real job, a family, and a real life, so you can't really expect flashing "nirvana" only a week or so after a phone comes out.
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I agree with the fun part.. I mod anything I get my hands on. Not only my phones. Computers, cars you name it.. its in my nature.
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Same mentality here my man. It's either rooted... Overclocked.... Or supercharged. I like things over the top lol. Heck even my gas powered scooters and rc cars are souped up. Sorry.... Back on target.
Samsung Galaxy S II
I'm stock since day 1, when the phone first released, and I get LOS once a day. It's killing me not to have root, but I am not modding unless there is a factory RUU available straight from Samsung. Personally, and to no discredit to the developers, I don't trust the stock rom pulled from another phone. This phone is just a bit too new for me to be permanently altering it without a 100% safe way back. The OG Epic was made almost unbrickable, so it's reasonable to assume that a year from now, we will be rolling like pigs in **** with cool stuff to flash.
But I get what you are saying, and honestly, the community did not explode like I thought it would. Seems to be more HTC fans these days then Samsung, and just judging from Samsung's post launch support, or lack thereof, I can understand why...
Furthermore, my 3G speeds were horrible day 1 and continue to suck balls. Most times at work I can't even browse the market because of timeouts. 4G seems to work good though, and that's the only reason I haven't just returned this phone yet.
Check this thread:
http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/76962?start=0&tstart=0
This is sprint's official forum, and they are just now admitting to the crappy radio implementation on this phone. Should have seen this coming a mile away, but honestly I was just too busy looking at this gorgeous 4.52" AMOLED+ screen to notice...
This is the first phone I've had were I don't feel the need to root, and I wouldn't have rooted until it had been perfected more.
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my main reason for rooting was a few apps i had that needed root. as well as the battery percentage
Hello everyone, I'd like to start this out by saying that I hope to not get flamed with this post. I do not own an Incredible (however I have played with MANY roms over the past two years with my various Android Phones). That being said, I've got a very... Well known client (public figure) who uses an Incredible. He has had *nothing* but trouble with it, especially since after the Gingerbread update (low storage space issues, needed to restore phone more than once, etc etc).
He is talking about getting an iPhone, but I would like him to get the "pure" Android experience before he makes a definitive decision. Essentially, he is tired of all the bugs and wants something that "just works".
My question to you guys:
Without me having to go through countless pages upon pages of posts, what in your guys' opinion is the best "stock" (whether that be CM7 or AOSP ROM) for the Incredible? What bugs (there area always bugs in ROMS right?) should I expect from the ROM and what should I notify him of in advance?
At this point in time, i'd say anything is better than stock gingerbread with HTC bloat that screws everything up constantly.
I just really need to make sure I put a solid ROM on his phone so that A) He will be happy and B) I will not be discredited on the air to hundreds of thousands of listeners.
Again, i'm not looking to be flamed for "not searching". I run a business, I do not have time to go through every single AOSP/CM thread to see every minute bug that is reported. Also, since this is not my phone, and he is a very busy person, I will have limited time to get this "right". I am just merely looking for your recommendations and experiences.
Thank you in advance everyone!
CM7 if you want a full pure android experience. If you want Sense, try one of the stock Sense roms that gets updated (Not mine. My inc died ) like Stock+ or McSense. Best of luck with your client! Don't let him switch to an iphone lol
Very few bugs (If any) on these. I can provide links if needed
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CM7 if you want a full pure android experience. If you want Sense, try one of the stock Sense roms that gets updated (Not mine. My inc died ) like Stock+ or McSense. Best of luck with your client! Don't let him switch to an iphone lol
Very few bugs (If any) on these. I can provide links if needed
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Excellent thank you. I was leaning towards getting away from Sense entirely (AOSP or CM7) because he is absolutely sick of the way HTC has treated his stock incredible. All of these bugs are simply inexcusable. I know that the versions of Sense here on XDA most likely do not get the low storage issue... But i'd rather get him on pure Google. Them upgrade him to ICS when that hits
CM7.1, definitely. Mine's stable as a rock. It's a lot more stable than ANYTHING I've messed with on it, including stock.
I'd recommend putting CM7.1 on it until the Galaxy Nexus comes out, then convince the client that they need it.
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CM7.1, definitely. Mine's stable as a rock. It's a lot more stable than ANYTHING I've messed with on it, including stock.
I'd recommend putting CM7.1 on it until the Galaxy Nexus comes out, then convince the client that they need it.
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Oh believe me, i've already planted the Nexus seeds! Any major bugs with CM7.1?
I know previously on CM7 builds (not for the Incredible) i've had broken wifi at times, broken GPS, etc, etc. As long as this is "rock" solid like you say... I'd say that is the most viable option! Thanks man!
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Oh believe me, i've already planted the Nexus seeds! Any major bugs with CM7.1?
I know previously on CM7 builds (not for the Incredible) i've had broken wifi at times, broken GPS, etc, etc. As long as this is "rock" solid like you say... I'd say that is the most viable option! Thanks man!
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No bugs that I know of. I only ran it for a couple of days though. The nightlies tend to fix any bugs, but may have bugs of their own.
Bugless Beast is an aosp alternative to CM. It still runs on nightlys but the latest build is like 99% working and is rock solid. Stock GB.
Wtf is an iPhone.
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Bugless Beast is the best AOSP option you can get. So smooth and fast. I haven't had any issues so far.
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Just wondering also, is there a solid MIUI build for the incredible? Just curious because I know that really impresses people as well lol!
CM7.1 is my vote. McSense if going the sense route.
I've not tried bugless beast yet simply because I love the ring lockscreen that the CM team cooked up. I also love the theme chooser that CM7 has.
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Just wondering also, is there a solid MIUI build for the incredible? Just curious because I know that really impresses people as well lol!
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Yeah. I personally don't like MIUI, but if you check their website, they have the latest build up. The last one I tried had a few minor bugs, but not bad. I'm sure they have been fixed though.
Cm 7.1. With the flashable adrenaline mod and incredikernel. Its been rock solid for me for almost a month.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
Root that thing and throw CM7 on it. They wont complain anymore. Ive been doing CM7 since it came out for the DInc and it has only gotten better. 7.1 is incredibly (pun intended) stable. And runs very smoothly. I think its probably more stable than stock. My DInc used to restart on its own all the time. I have not had that happen once with CM7. Battery life is great. With heavy texting, email, facebook, reddit usage. I get thru a day and usually have some juice left over. It can get to around 18% but still would last overnight if i forgot to plug it in, and still be at 18% in the morning!
Mine flies with CM7 and hasn't had any problems. My sister also has a DInc. She has been experiencing the low memory problem, I finally talked her into letting me root it and Rom it. CM7 is the way to go for a flawless experience. It is a little tidius to flash CWM and downgrade using ADB. It actually really inst necessary to downgrade and get s-off. I was able to install CWM on her phone and flash CM7 and gapps without a hitch. You have to use unrevoked 3.22 exe and do a custom recovery in administrator mode. (there is a write up somewhere here.)
after CWM was installed I flashed CM7. and it works great with s-on. The only time i think there would be a problem is if you wanted to flash an unsigned rom. but CM7 is signed so no biggy.
I will be sad to let my DInc go when I upgrade to either a galaxy nexus or a rezound in the next few months.
Good luck.
Use Bugless Beast if you want him to stay on Android, otherwise there is a highly underrated ROM called IncDeck 1.3... It's probably on the second page of the forums but that is the single best pure google ROM. The reason no one posts anything to the forum is because they have no issues to speak of lol.
Edit: I typed this from my droid 2... but I got it on friday lol. I'm not just talking out of my ass.
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Excellent thank you for the suggestions everyone! I have to say, the Incredible userbase is much more friendly and forthcoming than many others I have encountered here on XDA (coughSamsungDevicescough)!
As of right now, I am leaning towards Bugless Beast, as I really want him to be impressed by the speed. Also, since he wants things to "just work" I think the less options (like those extras presented in CM7) the better.
Should I worry about the rooting process for the Incredible with the Gingerbread update? Do I need to downgrade firmware, etc?
Also, I know right now he is using stock Verizon VVM... Is that an issue to get working on this?... I may try to convert him to Google Voice if that is the case.
Thanks again, you guys rock!
I would possibly suggest using the ext4 no limit mod as you had said he was getting the storage full message.
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I would possibly suggest using the ext4 no limit mod as you had said he was getting the storage full message.
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I was hoping that would be resolved by getting off of stock gingerbread alone? I've met numerous people with this issue... Even though their phones have HUGE amounts of free space, the Incredible reports that their storage is full. This results in FC's getting no emails etc. I've tied it to the HTC mail app, the Peep app, and a few other programs. If you clear cache/data it is a temp fix but then it will occur again at some point, much to their frustration.
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Excellent thank you for the suggestions everyone! I have to say, the Incredible userbase is much more friendly and forthcoming than many others I have encountered here on XDA (coughSamsungDevicescough)!
As of right now, I am leaning towards Bugless Beast, as I really want him to be impressed by the speed. Also, since he wants things to "just work" I think the less options (like those extras presented in CM7) the better.
Should I worry about the rooting process for the Incredible with the Gingerbread update? Do I need to downgrade firmware, etc?
Also, I know right now he is using stock Verizon VVM... Is that an issue to get working on this?... I may try to convert him to Google Voice if that is the case.
Thanks again, you guys rock!
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People have had success downgrading to 2.2 with THIS.
As for VVM, I'm not quite sure if it works on AOSP so it may be better to put him onto Google Voice. It's free and it is much easier to use.
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I would possibly suggest using the ext4 no limit mod as you had said he was getting the storage full message.
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The full storage error is what many Inc users that updated to the GB 2.3.4 update faced. That particular update screwed up a lot of peoples phones but after rooting and flashing a different ROM, he should be fine.
One final issue i've had... This client has always saved his contacts as "phone contacts" rather than "google contacts". Does anyone know of an app that will batch upload them to Google?
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One final issue i've had... This client has always saved his contacts as "phone contacts" rather than "google contacts". Does anyone know of an app that will batch upload them to Google?
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Use Backup Assistant and backup all their contacts then login to MyVerizon and export contacts to a csv file. From there you can import then into your Google account.
I made that mistake when first rooting my phone. Never again...lol
Coming from an Evo 4G that I had rooted right after I got it... ran a ton of different ROMs and that phone seemed like it needed to be rooted to really make it run right... I'm finding that I really don't see any benefit to rooting this phone (other than free tether)...
So, am I missing something? What are these improvements in these custom ROMs that are making it worth it to root... this thing is so freakin awesome already I just can't think of anything else I need...
There are tons of perks in the custom ROMs: themes, TSM-mod, cm7, MIUI, faster lighter ROMs, debloated, Rouge recovery to name a few. If you flashed roms on the EVO im sure its just a matter of time until you dive into the ET4g dev section.
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There are tons of perks in the custom ROMs: themes, TSM-mod, cm7, MIUI, faster lighter ROMs, debloated, Rouge recovery to name a few. If you flashed roms on the EVO im sure its just a matter of time until you dive into the ET4g dev section.
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What's "TSM-mod" and "Rogue recovery".. Or more precisely, what are the advantages of them?
I've looked around at the Dev section but the phone's been out long enough that it's hard to find threads that actually explain what all this is.. it's just assumed that I already know...
I know, I know.. use the search fxn... you dont have to flame me... I'll find out on my own
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Yeah, I'm not saying I can deny the "flash bug" for long... but I'm so impressed with the phone as is that I'm content for now I guess...
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If your impressed now, just wait till you start flashin'.
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Reason to flash=MIUI.
Calkulin's rom is great for a boost of performance on a stock rom as well...
Honestly, if you're happy with the phone as is, then maybe you should just leave it as it is until something comes along that makes you change your mind. Having a stock/unrooted phone is not a sin
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What's "TSM-mod" and "Rogue recovery".. Or more precisely, what are the advantages of them?
I've looked around at the Dev section but the phone's been out long enough that it's hard to find threads that actually explain what all this is.. it's just assumed that I already know...
I know, I know.. use the search fxn... you dont have to flame me... I'll find out on my own
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Tsm is like Cyanogen settings from the cm7 roms, but compatible with Samsung ROMs, Rogue recovery is clockwork recovery but redone, the options are grouped better, better theme, a lot less pain in the ass to use.
Oh yea check out qbking77's videos, he does a lot of how to's and reviews of ET4g ROMs, great stuff.
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Honestly, if you're happy with the phone as is, then maybe you should just leave it as it is until something comes along that makes you change your mind. Having a stock/unrooted phone is not a sin
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I completely agree. That's what I do with my phones. It also gives you time to get really comfortable with the new device as I know quite a few things change going from an htc phone to a samsung device. I generally will use the phone as is out of the box until I find something I can't bear, don't like or if there is actually a defect of some sort in the software. At which point, I check xda and see if there are fixes for said problems. If there are fixes and you're comfortable, root it and give it a shot. I'd suggest Calkulin's as it kinda seems like the go to rom for just about everyone on here, then maybe venture into the abyss. I'd suggest staying away from modems and other mods until you understand them and are comfortable.
I agree as well, nothing wrong rocking a completely stock phone. There are times I run a stock (debloated) rom just for a change.
I'm running a rooted with no fancy rom phone here. The only reason I haven't flashed a rom yet is because my first phone had GPS problems and this one doesn't. And plus, my evo with 3.0 rom has its own issues too. So I just don't want to jinx it. My wife's phone has the GPS problem. Thinking about bringing it in to the store for a replacement.
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Root? Root... ROOT!!!!!!
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Tsm is like Cyanogen settings from the cm7 roms, but compatible with Samsung ROMs, Rogue recovery is clockwork recovery but redone, the options are grouped better, better theme, a lot less pain in the ass to use.
Oh yea check out qbking77's videos, he does a lot of how to's and reviews of ET4g ROMs, great stuff.
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Thanks man, for the info and the referral. I'm comfortable enough with rooting and tech that it's just a matter of learning the different names for things, as it all goes by something different over here.
And thanks to everyone else for their input... I think I'm just gonna run it stock until I find something I can't live with.. Because right now, I love this thing.
Ok, scratch that.. I rooted yesterday.. just couldn't help myself, I need to be able to tweak the notifications toggles...
Like a drug, its good stuff you probably don't like nascar anyways either or kies or the allinone messenger battery sucker or the.... well ya dig..?
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Like a drug, its good stuff you probably don't like nascar anyways either or kies or the allinone messenger battery sucker or the.... well ya dig..?
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Coming from an Evo 4G that I had rooted right after I got it... ran a ton of different ROMs and that phone seemed like it needed to be rooted to really make it run right... I'm finding that I really don't see any benefit to rooting this phone (other than free tether)...
So, am I missing something? What are these improvements in these custom ROMs that are making it worth it to root... this thing is so freakin awesome already I just can't think of anything else I need...
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To be perfectly honest with you the way to go is stock rooted. None of the TW roms are really offering anything so much more exciting than stock TW. But definitely root it. On the practical side you can use the Wireless Tether app (if needed) block ads (a big thing for me) and access all files through Root Explorer. IMO those are reasons enough to root. In a nutshell, if you root your stock ROM you aren't really altering it and it is super easy to revert to non-rooted so there really is no downside as far as i can tell.
I debated the same thing... to root or not to root? I rooted and i am glad i did!
I held off for a while too but miui and the xplode roms are awesome. Just something different.
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Well I rooted and flashed Calk's ROM... within 5 minutes it was having freezes and what not so I said screw it and restored my nandroid of stock... I'll be stayin here for a while.
Edit: not saying anything bad about Calk's work... It prolly would've been resolved with a wipe and clean install and some tweaking but I'm just wanting fast stability right now and stock TW is super fast and my battery life is awesome
Hey guys. I'm just coming to the 4g touch after hard bricking my Fascinate. I'm a little hesitant to flash an ICS rom on this thing after the brick. From what I'm reading here it seems ICS roms on this phone are even less stable than they are on the Fascinate and causing a lot of hard bricks.
Really the only differences I noticed in ICS were the ability to pull down the notifications bar from the lock screen(which I absolutely loved) and the panorama camera option which can be had using Camera ICS. Is there something else I'm missing?
With better battery life, better performance and stability in GB, what brings you to ICS prior to source being released?
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Hey guys. I'm just coming to the 4g touch after hard bricking my Fascinate. I'm a little hesitant to flash an ICS rom on this thing after the brick. From what I'm reading here it seems ICS roms on this phone are even less stable than they are on the Fascinate and causing a lot of hard bricks.
Really the only differences I noticed in ICS were the ability to pull down the notifications bar from the lock screen(which I absolutely loved) and the panorama camera option which can be had using Camera ICS. Is there something else I'm missing?
With better battery life, better performance and stability in GB, what brings you to ICS prior to source being released?
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The risk of bricking has been minimized through the hard work of our Devs and programming community. If you thoroughly read and follow posted installation instructions you aren't likely to brick.
People mainly brick when they get in a rush, or try and take short cuts or simply disregard posted instructions.
There are plenty of enhancements in ICS over GB, I'd suggest people flash a ROM and explore them for yourself. Just read, read, read and ask questions before you ever take any step you are unsure of.
I'll agree with Esoteric68 here. She's spot on about the 'brick' issue. Do you research before you do anything!
As to the why of it? This is xda developers the people here tend to be into tweaking (in the non-meth sense) with technology and like to ride the bleeding edge of technology or squeeze out the most from the old stuff.
I've like the ICS builds for some of the items you've mentioned. Plus I get to stay ahead of the curve, as it where with my technology. Myself I've only had one application that won't support ICS and found another one to supplant it. I like the smoothness and tweaks I can do with ICS.
There are some really great developers here and some awesome ROMs to play with. Just, as already mentioned, read 1st and be careful.
I was scared to flash ICS for a couple months because it wasn't official but I've done my research like everyone says to do. I can't tell you how many times I've flashed ICS roms this past week, not one scare. Just read up and do as the devs say and you'll be good. If you're not sure, ask questions.
I've got the same question as the op roughly. I know that it isn't much of a risk flashing ICS nowadays, but am wondering what in ICS was worth it for people to make the change. I've looked around and don't see too many features really that I don't see in GB so i feel like i'm missing something.
I'm also one who appreciates all the work the devs do to put together these roms for all of us with all the tweaks they put in. Like I mentioned I'm just now waiting to get my 4g touch in the mail tomorrow after bricking my Fascinate. I had been running a number of ICS roms on my Fassy prior to the brick and while I loved playing with them it seemed like the tweaks the devs put into the roms were unrelated to the actual update of the OS. I had been flashing roms for that phone since the early Froyo days so I had thought I had a pretty good idea of what I was doing and always read the proper way to flash things but then one fateful day I tried to flash the latest MIUI coming from MIUI 1.2.9 and ended up with a bootloop, I think I forgot to wipe date/cache. No problem I thought, this has happened before, just ODIN stock and start over. But then something went terribly wrong in ODIN and now I'm left with a phone that won't turn on, won't charge and comes up as "unrecognized" on my pc. If I could just get it into download mode I could save it but I haven't been able to. Now it's got me a little more cautious of what I flash and how often I'll be flashing.
Maybe the devs can answer this since they know more about insides of the OS. Are there things you can modify in ICS that were not possible in GB?
There is a very long and technical thread about the ICS 'super bricking' issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
Basically Sammy screwed the pooch with the way ICS kernels make(s) calls to wipe partitions, particularly the EMMC controller.
It's actually a 'hard coded' firmware thing. But since it is firmware, it should be fixable via a firmware flash. It's just we don't really have that code access from Sammy and they seem to be dragging their feet on this.
There are even OTA updates in Europe (France primarily) that are superbricking a load of Galaxy Notes!
sfhub, Entropy512, garwynn and others with way more skills than most are on it. Esoteric68, robertm2011 and a few others took the risk and spent the time to test the workarounds and fixes that were put together. And you'll see from all the activity here that if caution is used you can pretty safely flash away. Since I've had time this week I've actually flashed about 8 different ROMs and restored nandroids too.
Just keep in mind to read the OPs of any ROM and follow their flashing instructions, read the 'how not to brick' stickies etc.
sfhub, chris41g and Agat put together some great 'safe' kernels.
If you're truly worried you can always use sfhub's one-click to get you to a stock FF18 build - kernel, ROM and modem at one shot.
ICS builds are really quite different in the structure to GB. So yes, as a developer, there are a few more things you can do. It's just a matter of figuring out where things are.
Good luck and have fun!
my location services and gps were horrendous with the el29 update, on ICS its soooooo much better, that made it worth the risk to me
I read and read and read and read a little more until I no longer saw it as a risk. It became more of a "why not?" Now that I have experienced ICS I will never go back. I really like the streamlined multitasking. I think that is the prominent feature. :cyclops:
The old adage is: Don't fly higher than your willing to fall.
In this situation, practice techniques, development and ROMs on a device you're not afraid of bricking. Consider it a "tool of the trade". The OLED phones are starting to appear in pawn shops for little money.
I have asurion insurance and am trying to find a reason to use it so I didn't waste my money
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By far my favorite feature is the swipe away notifications. The few times I have been back on GB that was the first thing that bothered me. I can never go back. Especially after tasting AOSP. TouchWiz is trash for me. I suggest you try CM9 or AOKP. Both excellent ROMs with great support right now. There are many more reasons why ICS is superior, depending on preference I suppose, but the bottom line is at this point, with safe recoveries being released, your chance of bricking are I'd say slim provided you follow instructions. I have flashed probably 40 Roms over the last few months. Only time I soft bricked was cause I tried to cowboy up and not follow directions...
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I'm confused. Whats the risk?
ICS is dead simple to install if you know how to read.
(genuinely curious seeing as i've had ICS (in different forms) on my E4GT since it was possible. Currently on CM9.)
Yep I echo everyone's advice. Ask questions!
I got the phone a month ago and remember starting a thread asking a ton of questions and I got all the help I needed.
Flashing roms and the terminology (had never heard of Odin) was completely different from the last phone I had, so I am glad I did my homework before taking the plunge.
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There's no risk...
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It is safe to flash ICS using ODIN and the newer recoveries. FF18 should be safe, I used it a few times, el26 is the recommend kernel/recovery to flash any cwm zip with as far as anything that includes wiping partitions.
Just remember ODIN ODIN ODIN!
Flash ICS based roms at your own risk, stay away from wipe data/factory reset on any ICS rom until it has been confirmed working on new roms. When using other ICS roms and you are not sure, DO NOT FACTORY RESET OR WIPE DATA. USE ODIN TO GET BACK TO A SAFE KERNEL.
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What risk? Read the how to's and no so how to's, and the risk gets eliminated.
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Watch this thread... Soon there should be no risk at all!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28400468
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HELP
Can anyone tell me if it is safe to install a build version of ICS to my already flashed epic 4g touch? Any help its greatly appreciated!
Thanks
ICS isn't where you get in trouble. Its going back to gb or doing a factory reset wipe. Use calks wipe all instead of using wipes in an ICS recovery and you will be golden. Read the how not to brick my phone thread if you are really paranoid.
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Hey all,
I'm pretty tired with the Sprint/Samsung shenanigans, and am seriously debating ditching this phone. The hardware is fine, but I haven't yet gotten the OTA ICS update yet (and don't seriously expect it to happen any time soon). For me, not having the latest Android OS is a major deal breaker--let's not go into why I didn't buy a phone with it when I had the chance, as I was basically lied to. With Jellybean now out, and still on GB, I'm pretty grumpy. I just want a clean, functional Google Android experience, and I don't feel like I'm getting it with the current, stock on SGS2.
I used to have an original Motorola Droid, and I'm familiar with the rooting/modding scene, but I've been away for a while and the learning curve appears to be really steep. Using Koush's ROM Manager software used to be so slick, but now appears to be largely useless for the SGS2. So, I'm feeling a bit discouraged.
TLDR / So, with basically no help/options from Sprint themselves, I'm faced with either spending a significant time reading & researching on rooting/modding my phone to ICS/JB, or possibly swapping it on the private market for a Galaxy Nexus. I imagine that, as a Google flagship phone, the Android OS experience is likely to be much better.
Anyone able to help? It'd be much appreciated.
Silentknyght said:
Hey all,
I'm pretty tired with the Sprint/Samsung shenanigans, and am seriously debating ditching this phone. The hardware is fine, but I haven't yet gotten the OTA ICS update yet (and don't seriously expect it to happen any time soon). For me, not having the latest Android OS is a major deal breaker--let's not go into why I didn't buy a phone with it when I had the chance, as I was basically lied to. With Jellybean now out, and still on GB, I'm pretty grumpy. I just want a clean, functional Google Android experience, and I don't feel like I'm getting it with the current, stock on SGS2.
I used to have an original Motorola Droid, and I'm familiar with the rooting/modding scene, but I've been away for a while and the learning curve appears to be really steep. Using Koush's ROM Manager software used to be so slick, but now appears to be largely useless for the SGS2. So, I'm feeling a bit discouraged.
TLDR / So, with basically no help/options from Sprint themselves, I'm faced with either spending a significant time reading & researching on rooting/modding my phone to ICS/JB, or possibly swapping it on the private market for a Galaxy Nexus. I imagine that, as a Google flagship phone, the Android OS experience is likely to be much better.
Anyone able to help? It'd be much appreciated.
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For ICS official version then safe kernel/recovery All flashed in ODIN under the PDA slot
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1721229
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767421
There is a JB Rom out but its not fully stable yet. after you have the custom kernel/recovery then you can flash to a custom ROM. The ROMs in my sig, I've had awesome experience with as everything works, not laggy and looks a hell of a lot better than stock. But I would stick with SGS2. I love this phone.
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Silentknyght said:
Hey all,
I'm pretty tired with the Sprint/Samsung shenanigans, and am seriously debating ditching this phone. The hardware is fine, but I haven't yet gotten the OTA ICS update yet (and don't seriously expect it to happen any time soon). For me, not having the latest Android OS is a major deal breaker--let's not go into why I didn't buy a phone with it when I had the chance, as I was basically lied to. With Jellybean now out, and still on GB, I'm pretty grumpy. I just want a clean, functional Google Android experience, and I don't feel like I'm getting it with the current, stock on SGS2.
I used to have an original Motorola Droid, and I'm familiar with the rooting/modding scene, but I've been away for a while and the learning curve appears to be really steep. Using Koush's ROM Manager software used to be so slick, but now appears to be largely useless for the SGS2. So, I'm feeling a bit discouraged.
TLDR / So, with basically no help/options from Sprint themselves, I'm faced with either spending a significant time reading & researching on rooting/modding my phone to ICS/JB, or possibly swapping it on the private market for a Galaxy Nexus. I imagine that, as a Google flagship phone, the Android OS experience is likely to be much better.
Anyone able to help? It'd be much appreciated.
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Sounds like you would like a iPhone
Seriously though. This is xda plenty of stable ics builds including cm9 and aokp to satisfy any need all found in development section :thumbup:
Rooting is easy. Just takes some reading and comprehension skills that we all should have
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I think gb way more stable, faster, more responsive, and has better battery life. Ics is not going to give you any thing better than you already have it might even make it worse. I'm considering downgrading to gb calkulin 3.0 and looking for a nexus aswell... If you need ics one click ff18 is the safest and easiest way to get it.. Coming from other phone its hard catching up aswell im still afraid of flashing because I have no insurance or a way to replace my phone BUT there are many excellent roms out there you just have to be carefull and you will be fine
g_ding84 said:
For ICS official version then safe kernel/recovery All flashed in ODIN under the PDA slot
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1721229
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767421
There is a JB Rom out but its not fully stable yet. after you have the custom kernel/recovery then you can flash to a custom ROM. The ROMs in my sig, I've had awesome experience with as everything works, not laggy and looks a hell of a lot better than stock. But I would stick with SGS2. I love this phone.
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Humor me, here. My reading comprehension is fine, but I appreciate confirmation of steps. From stcck EL29, I assume:
1. Flash official ICS version linked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1721229
2. Flash safe kernel/recovery, AGAT_v0.4.0, linked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767421
3. Then what...? A choice to stay on stock rooted ICS or to flash any other rom? If I should choose to flash to a different rom, or a JB rom when they're more stable, will the safe kernel/recovery avoid all the nonsense of flashing back to EL26, etc.?
EDIT: Also, is CWM still necessary, or has it been obsoleted? It seems like with ODIN / Mobile ODIN, there is no need for CWM to flash new mods. Is this correct?
Thanks again.
Lol. I never questioned your reading comprehension. Yes that is the correct steps. As for agats safe kernel/recovery I use it all the time. It has the brick code (eMMC wipe) removed/disabled. Then after that yes flash whatever custom rom you would like. Flashing the EL26 kernel is I believe for leaving CM9 and AOKP to another rom. TW based.
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Silentknyght said:
Anyone able to help? It'd be much appreciated.
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This is a safe, easy and quick method for the SGS2 (assuming Sprint's Epic 4G Touch):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
That said, I'm going back to GB. I have 2 Epic 4Gs and both drop wifi after a few minutes (off at sleep not enabled). Plus, Google seems to have become a bit more invasive in ICS for my taste.
g_ding84 said:
Lol. I never questioned your reading comprehension. Yes that is the correct steps. As for agats safe kernel/recovery I use it all the time. It has the brick code (eMMC wipe) removed/disabled. Then after that yes flash whatever custom rom you would like. Flashing the EL26 kernel is I believe for leaving CM9 and AOKP to another rom. TW based.
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Thanks... I did both. I'm not really happy with Touchwiz, and I'd really prefer an Android experience closer to a Google flagship phone. Any recommendations? Is there a similarly easy & straightfoward way to do it, or only the "back to EL26" (or similar) rigamarole?
Silentknyght said:
Thanks... I did both. I'm not really happy with Touchwiz, and I'd really prefer an Android experience closer to a Google flagship phone. Any recommendations? Is there a similarly easy & straightfoward way to do it, or only the "back to EL26" (or similar) rigamarole?
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You should really check out QBking77's videos on youtube. Go to his Epic 4g Touch channel. Any situation you can think of when flashing, he shows you step by step on how to do it (or undo it) with links to all the required files.
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s9amme said:
You should really check out QBking77's videos on youtube. Go to his Epic 4g Touch channel. Any situation you can think of when flashing, he shows you step by step on how to do it (or undo it) with links to all the required files.
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Thanks. I did have Frankenstein's Ego 4.5 on my E4GT for a while, but when I tried to switch to AOKP Milestone 6, somehow it bombed out while following QBKing77's vids. So... hence, I'm here, asking questions, and exploring options.
I'll give it another try later tonight when my kid's asleep.
Thanks, again. :good:
Mobile ODIN is my friend. Keep the direct boot kernel on your sd card. I also use it to flash agats kernels. No yellow triangle as well. I know how ya feel. I got two kids. Lol
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I don't like Touchwiz either but basically it is just a launcher skin. Install a new launcher like Nova or Apex and you'll be very close to a vanilla Android experience and you'll never even see all the TW crap. Uninstall the bloatware with Titanium backup and you might not mind TW based roms at all.
If you want an alterative to TW look, I recommend The Blu Kuban ROM (ics). Most of the TW elements are removed and it feels like a completely different phone. All the stock apps are themed too and its very customizable on how you want it to look. Lots of helpful people in the faq ROM thread as well if you are unsure of anything.
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Silentknyght said:
Thanks... I did both. I'm not really happy with Touchwiz, and I'd really prefer an Android experience closer to a Google flagship phone. Any recommendations? Is there a similarly easy & straightfoward way to do it, or only the "back to EL26" (or similar) rigamarole?
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For an aosp rom(non twiz) I recommend aokp, it has tons of extra settings for customization and the cm9/10 themes work with theme manager in aokp. If you wanna flash straight to aokp, Odin el26+cwm.tar from your PC (or mobile Odin) boot to recovery volume+ & power, flash aokp.zip wipe data/factory reset, wipe cache & dalvik cache, flash aokp.zip again, wipe both caches flash gapps.zip, reboot to android
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If you are on the official ff18 build to get the ICS look and feel go to settings, and then go to applications, then select all, then go down to twlauncher, and press clear default, when you hit the home key on your phone a menu will come up select the first option if you like it make it your default.
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Thanks, everyone, for your help. I ended up installing CM9 Alpha 6, using the Mobile-Odin w/ the Directboot CWM method. Fairly painless, and more to the point, the look & feel is really close to what I desired.
CM9?
Hi guys im on stock FF18 and I would really like to try stock ICS because it looks fluid and looks good. How do I install CM9 from having stock FF18 unrooted? I have tried to research this but a lot of the guides out there are only for EL29. Thanks guys Im pretty new to this.