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When you guys unplug your gnex from the wall... (gsm)

Does the battery go to 99% for you guys instantly? seems like mine does, as soon as i unplug it goes to 99%, just wondering if its normal or just my phone, because on my galaxy s II i would get like 30 minutes of no drain, like it would stay at 100 for a while, while this phone is like as soon as i unplug the battery is already down to 99.

unleashed12 said:
Does the battery go to 99% for you guys instantly? seems like mine does, as soon as i unplug it goes to 99%, just wondering if its normal or just my phone, because on my galaxy s II i would get like 30 minutes of no drain, like it would stay at 100 for a while, while this phone is like as soon as i unplug the battery is already down to 99.
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Calibrate it
Mine stays on 100% for a good half an hour or so too

what is the easiest way to calibrate it? any links.. my GNEX will go 99% instantly too but overall battery drain is awesome

my battery life is TERRIBLE on this thing, it drains like crazy.. i want to calibrate it super badly but im not rooted, so i cant delete batt stats.bin , i even let it drain last night completely charged it again while it was off..still same terrible battery life. its a shame because i really really love this phone.

hiohokaybye said:
Calibrate it
Mine stays on 100% for a good half an hour or so too
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I'm sorry but that sounds like badly calibrated battery. Lithium-ion Batteries are -never- 100% except for a very brief moment.
It is natural that your phone displays 97%-99% when unplugged (or even when still plugged in). Batteries protect themselves like this, because these batteries cannot be charged while they are full, they will stop charging the very moment you hit 100%.

Generally you don't want your battery to be above 90% for a extended amount of time, that much voltage/capacity speeds up the degradation of the cells. So actually you should be happy, because your battery will have a longer life.
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Smokeey said:
Generally you don't want your battery to be above 90% for a extended amount of time, that much voltage/capacity speeds up the degradation of the cells. So actually you should be happy, because your battery will have a longer life.
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Where are you getting this from? Doesn't make sense.

toonlight said:
Where are you getting this from? Doesn't make sense.
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He's technically correct. LiIon batteries are happiest around 60-70% charge level. However given that your actively using a cell phone battery and your not storing it at high charge its OK.
If you really want to learn more about Lithium tech I can link you to a forum where people are VERY serious about this stuff and use them for high powered lights.

This is a known design "feature."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
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[Q] Battery Calibration

Hey I've read on other forums about these battery calibration apps and whatnot, just want to know if anyone has used them and know if they really do work? The wife and I both have the Dinc2 and i loaded andybonestock on both of our phones.. i use my phone like crazy and she barely uses hers. i put drellis's 21 on and UV 50 and within 15 min off the charger i'm down at most to 98 battery and she's already down to 90. her battery drains rediculously faster than mine and they're both the same exact rom's and kernel specs. Will these app's actually work or is there a real/better way to get hers working better?

Use battery calibration from the market and follow the instructions to a T. Her battery could also be defective. Try the calibration first though.

that's what i'm trying to do. I have it charging right now, at 84% then im going to run it.. just wanted to know if there was any proof it worked or any other option

I left my inc2 get charge to 100% and then use the battery calibration,i notice that my battery goes down from 100% to 97% in just 5second,the battery life is good after goes to 97%,but im not sure why goes down to 97% that fast.

android-incredible said:
I left my inc2 get charge to 100% and then use the battery calibration,i notice that my battery goes down from 100% to 97% in just 5second,the battery life is good after goes to 97%,but im not sure why goes down to 97% that fast.
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Just a heads up, that is normal, your battery will never stay at 100% it doesn't charge to 100% unless you bump charge it (and that is bad for your actual battery). Having it drop anywhere from 97% to 92% is common, after that you will notice a substantial slowdown in battery drain unless you are heavily using the phone.
I added a picture of my battery life as an example of the length I am getting from the ICS Rom I'm currently using. I have my phone oc'd to 1.4ghz and uv -25 across the board. This screenshot was taken after a day full of phone calls ranging between 3 minutes and 20 minutes, moderate browser usage, moderate facebook usage and lots of texting.

Ya I knew it wouldn't stay at 100 at all but like how mine would be at 97 after 15min and hers at 90.. it just didn't add up.. she rarely used her phone and only had about 6 hours of charge, while my battery with excessive use had enough battery to last me about 16 hours. I reset battery stats and then bump charged her phone. Now its fine
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faehsemc said:
Ya I knew it wouldn't stay at 100 at all but like how mine would be at 97 after 15min and hers at 90.. it just didn't add up.. she rarely used her phone and only had about 6 hours of charge, while my battery with excessive use had enough battery to last me about 16 hours. I reset battery stats and then bump charged her phone. Now its fine
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glad you figured it out.
careful on bump charging, it decreases the life of the battery itself everytime you do it.

I personally don't use the apps. I've had the best luck with charging to 100%, power off and charge till green light, unplug and do one more time, boot to recovery, wipe battery, power up and unplug. That's just me though.
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CondemnedSoul said:
I personally don't use the apps. I've had the best luck with charging to 100%, power off and charge till green light, unplug and do one more time, boot to recovery, wipe battery, power up and unplug. That's just me though.
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That's what I did to remove battery stats.. read up on the app and realized its the same thing as doing it in recovery
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CondemnedSoul said:
I personally don't use the apps. I've had the best luck with charging to 100%, power off and charge till green light, unplug and do one more time, boot to recovery, wipe battery, power up and unplug. That's just me though.
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Charging to 100% and then powering off and charging again IS bump charging, that is bad for your battery itself, it takes away life on the actual battery everytime you do it. I said this above. You may be getting an extra half hour to an hour out of your batterys life but you are decreasing the amount of times it can actually hold a charge each time you do that, therefore ruining your battery for a tiny bit of extra battery life per charge.

dankblaze said:
Charging to 100% and then powering off and charging again IS bump charging, that is bad for your battery itself, it takes away life on the actual battery everytime you do it. I said this above. You may be getting an extra half hour to an hour out of your batterys life but you are decreasing the amount of times it can actually hold a charge each time you do that, therefore ruining your battery for a tiny bit of extra battery life per charge.
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I'm quite aware of what it IS. I also didn't say I do it every charge. I also know that some say its not good. I also know some say smoking can kill you. I also know I've done it on other devices with no problems. And I also didn't say for anyone to do it. I only said what I do and what has worked for me.
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CondemnedSoul said:
I'm quite aware of what it IS. I also didn't say I do it every charge. I also know that some say its not good. I also know some say smoking can kill you. I also know I've done it on other devices with no problems. And I also didn't say for anyone to do it. I only said what I do and what has worked for me.
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The smoking analogy doesn't really relate, smoking can kill you but doesn't always, bump charging for a fact decreased the longevity of your battery hence shortens the time before it does not hold a charge anymore and you have to buy a new one. I made a factual comment, I did not need a condesending response.

dankblaze said:
The smoking analogy doesn't really relate, smoking can kill you but doesn't always, bump charging for a fact decreased the longevity of your battery hence shortens the time before it does not hold a charge anymore and you have to buy a new one. I made a factual comment, I did not need a condesending response.
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*condescending
And if it's a fact, can you provide a link to a scientific study backing up your claims? If not, please don't claim that it's fact based on forum posts by other users and your own anecdotal experiences.
Thanks!

First 10% battery drain

I'm noticing on gummy and other roms I try that the first 10-12% drops fast then slows down to normal. No matter what kernel I try this seems to be the case. Anyone have any idea or maybe you could school me? Thanks community
I've wiped stats and tried to open and close camera, super aggravating!
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When your phone is on the charger, it will charge to 100%. After it hits 100%, it will remove itself from the charger and run on battery. This will go down to a certain percentage (maybe 95%, maybe 90%), at which point the phone will reattach itself to the charger and charge back up to 100%. The drop you are seeing is when you take the phone off the charger while it is in the midst of one of these cycles. I would assume it still shows 100% battery but drops down to what it's really at.

Thanks but my battery doesn't get consistent until around 90 and lower so I'm sure your rite but why does charge to 100%
On my nexus s it stoped at 95-96%?
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I have the same "issue" but I've just learned to live with it...

this makes perfect sense! i always wondered why it did that! thanks

oilfighter said:
I have the same "issue" but I've just learned to live with it...
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Obviously we all learn to live with it but isn't it nice to know that its an issue and not your phone alone, that's why I ask to see if my fellow community members are experiencing the same problem? I think it has something to do with the fast charge
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joshnichols189 said:
When your phone is on the charger, it will charge to 100%. After it hits 100%, it will remove itself from the charger and run on battery. This will go down to a certain percentage (maybe 95%, maybe 90%), at which point the phone will reattach itself to the charger and charge back up to 100%. The drop you are seeing is when you take the phone off the charger while it is in the midst of one of these cycles. I would assume it still shows 100% battery but drops down to what it's really at.
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One way around it is to unplug it for a second and then plug it back in to top it off.

Or charge it while it is off
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mike216 said:
Obviously we all learn to live with it but isn't it nice to know that its an issue and not your phone alone, that's why I ask to see if my fellow community members are experiencing the same problem? I think it has something to do with the fast charge
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It's really not an issue, it's just how it works. It gets to 100% and instead of charging more and frying itself, it stops charging. When you take it off the charger at 100%, it's not really at 100%, it's somewhere in between 90 and 100. The reason it says 100 is that if you let it charge all night and it said 93% in the morning you'd have already called to Samsung to complain, as would have everyone else.

The HTC thunderbolt did this as well. To protect the battery, once it reaches 100%, it stops charging. Then once it hit 95% or somewhere in the 90s again I believe, it kicked back on. You have to bump charge. Though I believe once I started installing custom roms, the issue seemed to disappear. So maybe its in the code or something.
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Every phone does this.
xHausx said:
One way around it is to unplug it for a second and then plug it back in to top it off.
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DON'T DO IT!!!!
Seriously, bump charging will destroy your battery health.

Every phone does it. It is to protect the battery's life.
Batteries suffer when they are 100% charged and when they are really low.
That's why when you get a brand new battery is it charged about 50% because it extends the battery's life while in the shelf.

When I disconnect in the mornings it's always 97 or 98%. who knows when it stops charging in the middle of the night. but from 98% to 75% it is really quick. maybe because during that time I'm on the train listening to music and browsing the internet at the same time.
With iphone 4, I always disconnected at 100% in the mornings and after the train ride the battery was around 88%.

fubaya said:
It's really not an issue, it's just how it works. It gets to 100% and instead of charging more and frying itself, it stops charging. When you take it off the charger at 100%, it's not really at 100%, it's somewhere in between 90 and 100. The reason it says 100 is that if you let it charge all night and it said 93% in the morning you'd have already called to Samsung to complain, as would have everyone else.
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No I didn't calk Samsung and did you hear me complain? I simply asked a question and if you dont like what you read then ignore it and move on. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed. What's up with people hear?
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mike216 said:
No I didn't calk Samsung and did you hear me complain? I simply asked a question and if you dont like what you read then ignore it and move on. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed. What's up with people hear?
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He was just saying that if you put your phone on for a full night of charging and woke up to see it was at 93%, you'd probably assume something was wrong and call the manufacturer. Chill out, he's not insulting or mocking you...

I didn't leave it on all night but he was a little offensive by basically calling me a complainer by saying did I call samsung already
I just wanted to known if my problem was rom or kernel or maybe even hardware but coming to find out that my GN is just like that was a bit of relief. I've owned a galaxy s,nexus s but this was the first time I've seen a Google samsung battery charge behave like this. No biggie was just curious
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KWKSLVR said:
Every phone does this.
DON'T DO IT!!!!
Seriously, bump charging will destroy your battery health.
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In the long run maybe a little, for how long most people keep their phones it won't matter though. This was actually something HTC recommended we do for the Evo 4G cause it was the exact same way.
I actually did have one of my batteries discharge too much to where it wouldn't come back, but all I had to do was take it in to Sprint and they gave me a new one for free.

mike216 said:
I didn't leave it on all night but he was a little offensive by basically calling me a complainer by saying did I call samsung already
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I don't know how you got that from what I wrote. I was just saying that if you woke up and the battery said 95% after charging all night you'd think something was wrong with the phone, as would everyone else. The reason it says 100% is that the phone manufacturers don't want to explain that it's not a problem to a million callers a day.

xHausx said:
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I actually did have one of my batteries discharge too much to where it wouldn't come back, but all I had to do was take it in to Sprint and they gave me a new one for free.
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The same thing happened to my brother's G2.
Then I remembered, It can be brought back to life either with high voltage or high current. I plugged in to my Touchpad's charger (which is 1.3 amps I think), and the miracle happened. It returned from the dead.

KWKSLVR said:
Seriously, bump charging will destroy your battery health.
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sstang2006 said:
Batteries suffer when they are 100% charged...
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Not true.
The best thing for a Lithium Ion battery is to keep constantly charging it as much as possible. These are not the old nickle batteries of ~10 years ago. The internal circuitry inside your phone's charging system is what keeps the lithium cell in it's "happy range".
However, once a cell is outside of it's "happy range" one of two things will happen:
1) Thermal run-away; this is when an overcharged cell begins to generate it's own heat by consuming Lithium, creating more heat, consuming even more Lithium, creating even more heat, etc... When you hear of people's laptop batteries catching on fire in airplanes or where ever, it's usually because of thermal run-away.
2) Cell depletion; if a cell is discharged too low it looses it's ability to retain a charge. It's not a "Hmmm... my batter doesn't seem to hold a charge as long anymore" like the old nickle batteries, but it won't hold ANYTHING at this point.
In closing, there is nothing wrong with "bump charging" your Lithium battery. The charging circuitry has been HEAVILY scrutinized and tested for safety measures and will never overcharge your cell (assuming the HW is opreating correctly).

[Q] How to properly charge Galaxy Note 2?

How to properly charge Galaxy Note 2?
Do you let it charge overnight no matter what the battery percentage is? Do you let it go down to 40%-50% and then charge it? Maybe 10%-15% and then charge it? Can you somehow damage the battery if you leave it on the charger longer than you should to?
Thanks in advance guys!

BoBBBBBBBO said:
How to properly charge Galaxy Note 2?
Do you let it charge overnight no matter what the battery percentage is? Do you let it go down to 40%-50% and then charge it? Maybe 10%-15% and then charge it? Can you somehow damage the battery if you leave it on the charger longer than you should to?
Thanks in advance guys!
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When the phone alerts you to charge .. thats the right time.. and dont charge it overnight the battery will be damaged!!! Im only charging my phone when it hit less than 20%..
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gabamoner said:
and dont charge it overnight the battery will be damaged!!!
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Is this really true?

Laynee1 said:
Is this really true?
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I keep reading it, but they never provide any proof or explanation why. Im prettt sure the phone is smart enough to turn off the charging when it hits full.
Tons of battery bs gets spewed like gospel.
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BoBBBBBBBO said:
How to properly charge Galaxy Note 2?
Do you let it charge overnight no matter what the battery percentage is? Do you let it go down to 40%-50% and then charge it? Maybe 10%-15% and then charge it? Can you somehow damage the battery if you leave it on the charger longer than you should to?
Thanks in advance guys!
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Google is your friend here. As a rule you should try to keep your device between 25% and 70% charge to get a long life out of the battery.
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Thanks all! And how long should I charge it?

I've always charged all my phones overnight regardless of percentage and never noticed any change of decrease in battery performance.
And no the battery will not be damaged from charging overnight
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kylec said:
I've always charged all my phones overnight regardless of percentage and never noticed any change of decrease in battery performance.
And no the battery will not be damaged from charging overnight
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Same here. I think is a myth that batteries get damaged if charging overnight, at least these days that smartphones is actually "smart" and stops the charging automatically when the battery is full.

kylec said:
I've always charged all my phones overnight regardless of percentage and never noticed any change of decrease in battery performance.
And no the battery will not be damaged from charging overnight
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I've always charged my iPhone 4 overnight and it had the best battery, never damaged.

How to charge:
Plug in phone whenever you want.
Charge multiple times at whatever power levels.
Unplug whenever you want.
Enjoy life.
My batteries last a year using my patented "I don't give a F" method, so it's not worth stressing over "OMG I AM CHARGING ABOVE/BELOW X PERCENTAGE!!!!!111ONEONE" Replacement batteries are cheap and easy to come by, a year is a reasonable lifespan and not stressing over it is priceless.
However, if you feel the need to freak right the heck out over your battery, just do it over there in the corner where I can't see/hear you.

BoBBBBBBBO said:
Thanks all! And how long should I charge it?
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kylec said:
I've always charged all my phones overnight regardless of percentage and never noticed any change of decrease in battery performance.
And no the battery will not be damaged from charging overnight
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This advice is for battery lifetime, not battery performance. Quote from wikipedia:
A Standard (Cobalt) Li-ion cell that is full most of the time at 25 °C (77 °F) irreversibly loses approximately 20% capacity per year.[citation needed] Poor ventilation may increase temperatures, further shortening battery life. Loss rates vary by temperature: 6% loss at 0 °C (32 °F), 20% at 25 °C (77 °F), and 35% at 40 °C (104 °F).
When stored at 40%–60% charge level, the capacity loss is reduced to 2%, 4%, and 15%, respectively.[citation needed] In contrast, the calendar life of LiFePO4 cells is not affected by being kept at a high state of charge.[47]
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norsepriest said:
This advice is for battery lifetime, not battery performance. Quote from wikipedia:
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Well it wouldn't exactly be full most of the time now would it
I won't deny that the maintaining a charge between 40-60% may prolong battery lifetime but the benefit of having A full battery at the beginning of everyday easily outweighs the "potential" loss of 20% battery capacity after a year. Also the hassle of maintaining a battery percentage between those limits is simply not worth it.
A new battery goes for as little as $6 here in Australia. IF there is any noticeable decrease in battery life (eg. From a loss of max capacity) then a new battery is cost basically nothing.
I charge all my devices over night if the percentage is lower than 85% and all of them still last just as long as the day I got them.
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How to charge: plug charger into wall, attach to phone. Done.
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sleebus.jones said:
How to charge:
Plug in phone whenever you want.
Charge multiple times at whatever power levels.
Unplug whenever you want.
Enjoy life.
My batteries last a year using my patented "I don't give a F" method, so it's not worth stressing over "OMG I AM CHARGING ABOVE/BELOW X PERCENTAGE!!!!!111ONEONE" Replacement batteries are cheap and easy to come by, a year is a reasonable lifespan and not stressing over it is priceless.
However, if you feel the need to freak right the heck out over your battery, just do it over there in the corner where I can't see/hear you.
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Exactly.
I mean seriously, why on earth people think too much about charging, when to charge and all, if my battery will be damaged or not, this isn't a phone of 1995! And there is no harm done if you charge overnight.
I've used all my phones like this and never had a problem with battery, not the slightest, however I don't use any phone for more than 18 months.
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But I'm many devices the battery is not removable...
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If overcharging does not destroy your battery and its only a myth.. then why is it included in the USER MANUAL??
For now you will never notice it.. but as time goes by you will feel a slight change in battery usage..but by that time I think you have a new phone.. so dont worry about it..
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gabamoner said:
If overcharging does not destroy your battery and its only a myth.. then why is it included in the USER MANUAL??
For now you will never notice it.. but as time goes by you will feel a slight change in battery usage..but by that time I think you have a new phone.. so dont worry about it..
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Lol but it also says in most manuals that you should charge for 6 -8 hours prior to using the device even though it's unnecessary.
I think its only really there to cover themselves for as many situations as possible
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But I'm many devices the battery is not removable...
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Same thing. By the time there is any noticeable impact on the battery most users will have a new phone.
My X10 is about 3 years old now and used by my brother. I charged it every night (sometimes even during the day as well) regardless of percentage and to this day the screen time and overall time are still almost the same as the first day. Definitely no more than a 10% decrease
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rub feet on carpet while holding phone for 3-4hrs.

I've never noticed a difference in by charging over night. I've noticed a difference when using different chargers though.

Phone beeps I plug it in, when it shows charged I unplug, not exactly difficult

Best way to charge phone

Hello I was wondering what is the optimal way to charge the s3? With wall charger or in comp? Should I let it plugued more after it says "Charged(100%)"?
I have a Zerolemon 7100mAh
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I just picked up a Zero Lemon 2300 and still trying to figure out best way. The instructions they give you just dont make sense to me

They make it looks kinda simple but how can we be sure the battery is really fully charged or decharged etc..
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DarkFranX said:
They make it looks kinda simple but how can we be sure the battery is really fully charged or decharged etc..
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Exactly. Plus every time I read someones post on how they did it its always different.
My first battery charge I did what they said. Charged for 12 hours with phone off. Ran it down to 1% and then recharged. Left it on charger for about half hour-hour past full charge. Did the 5 recharge cycles.
Think second battery I may install and run down to 1% before fully charging. My batteries came in with about 56% charge. I dont see why they would need to be charged for 12 hours like that

DarkFranX said:
Hello I was wondering what is the optimal way to charge the s3? With wall charger or in comp? Should I let it plugued more after it says "Charged(100%)"?
I have a Zerolemon 7100mAh
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fastest should always be wall charger since it has higher current than your usb port in your computer will output, especially if you don't have fast charge enabled (root and rom support required for fast charge).
TL;DR use a wall charger
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aeppacher said:
fastest should always be wall charger since it has higher current than your usb port in your computer will output, especially if you don't have fast charge enabled (root and rom support required for fast charge).
TL;DR use a wall charger
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Yeah wall charger charges up the battery faster than in the computer. But I don't mind the time it takes.. The question is which method is better for the battery? Plus I don't use fast charge since opinion on its risk varie a lot.
jasvncnt1 said:
Exactly. Plus every time I read someones post on how they did it its always different.
My first battery charge I did what they said. Charged for 12 hours with phone off. Ran it down to 1% and then recharged. Left it on charger for about half hour-hour past full charge. Did the 5 recharge cycles.
Think second battery I may install and run down to 1% before fully charging. My batteries came in with about 56% charge. I dont see why they would need to be charged for 12 hours like that
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Same thing here.. But i think we should have used it all to 1% BEFORE the first charge.. Doesnt it make more sense?
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DarkFranX said:
Yeah wall charger charges up the battery faster than in the computer. But I don't mind the time it takes.. The question is which method is better for the battery? Plus I don't use fast charge since opinion on its risk varie a lot.
Same thing here.. But i think we should have used it all to 1% BEFORE the first charge.. Doesnt it make more sense?
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That makes sense to me. I posted on their Facebook page asking for clarification on charging steps. And asked about draining it first before first charge
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DarkFranX said:
Yeah wall charger charges up the battery faster than in the computer. But I don't mind the time it takes.. The question is which method is better for the battery? Plus I don't use fast charge since opinion on its risk varie a lot.
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Chemically speaking, the speed variation of the reaction shouldn't matter on health. The process is pretty much reversible which is why you can recharge it after draining. The only reason batteries die is because this process isn't perfect, and sometimes chemical pollutants form. In this case the current and time variation shouldn't provide a better battery health either way. For best battery health simply drain the whole way down before charging it. Charging it when its not completely empty tends to make it die faster. (Chem major here)
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DarkFranX said:
Yeah wall charger charges up the battery faster than in the computer. But I don't mind the time it takes.. The question is which method is better for the battery? Plus I don't use fast charge since opinion on its risk varie a lot.
Same thing here.. But i think we should have used it all to 1% BEFORE the first charge.. Doesnt it make more sense?
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OK here's the reply I got
Rami Mubasher
For best results we ask that customers let the items die down to 1-4% before your first charge. Leave the battery charging for 12 hours if you are able to. Then repeat this cycling 4-5 times. This will yield the best results the quickest. Hope this helps.
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OK here's the reply I got
Rami Mubasher
For best results we ask that customers let the items die down to 1-4% before your first charge. Leave the battery charging for 12 hours if you are able to. Then repeat this cycling 4-5 times. This will yield the best results the quickest. Hope this helps.
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Alright thanks for this clarification! Then the best would be to always do full discharge/charge cycle?
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Chemically speaking, the speed variation of the reaction shouldn't matter on health. The process is pretty much reversible which is why you can recharge it after draining. The only reason batteries die is because this process isn't perfect, and sometimes chemical pollutants form. In this case the current and time variation shouldn't provide a better battery health either way. For best battery health simply drain the whole way down before charging it. Charging it when its not completely empty tends to make it die faster. (Chem major here)
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Great answer! And what about letting the phone plugued in at 100%? Like a whole night? I've heard so much things, some says "it's better to always charge it a little when you can because it is bad if it reaches 0%". I know it's a chemical reaction and I know the internal resistor gets altered over time providing less efficient charge/decharge. When the phone closes it is because not enough power comes out of the battery, but the reaction is still there and by pluguing it we revive it.. right? That would make sense to me. That would mean that there isn't a charging habit killing the battery life more than another?

DarkFranX said:
Alright thanks for this clarification! Then the best would be to always do full discharge/charge cycle?
Great answer! And what about letting the phone plugued in at 100%? Like a whole night? I've heard so much things, some says "it's better to always charge it a little when you can because it is bad if it reaches 0%". I know it's a chemical reaction and I know the internal resistor gets altered over time providing less efficient charge/decharge. When the phone closes it is because not enough power comes out of the battery, but the reaction is still there and by pluguing it we revive it.. right? That would make sense to me. That would mean that there isn't a charging habit killing the battery life more than another?
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I generally like to unplug when full. The reason being, when it gets to 100% it discharges to 99% and the back to 100% it charges. Now in all reality you won't notice any of this battery dying with current gen li-ion batteries unless you keep a battery for like 2 years of use. But then you can always replace it. Bottom line is its not really worth worrying about. I don't know why people say letting it go to 0% is bad. The less repetitive charging, the better, this means letting it go from 100 to 0 as often as possible.
TL;DR it doesn't matter, your battery will outlive your new phone cycle

Thanks a lot for those clear answers!
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