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Stock vs custom: huge dilema.

I cant decide on whether or not I want to load a custom rom on this phone!
I know this is XDA and everyone will say GO CUTSOM of course, but this is the first device I actually havent considered it. I feel like with every android phone Ive owned
And the hundreds of ROMs Ive used, Ive always experienced negatives that have come along with the positives that a custom ROM brings.
For example ill load up a ROM and it will come with the "best" kernel available, which turns out to cause 69% Android OS drain by the end of the day. Or from searching around here the custom ROM will cause shutter lag or other snall annoying things that I wouldnt be able to tolerate. I just dont know if the trade off is worth it this time as stock ICS works wonderfly for me.
I am however very interested in the 4.0.3 ROMs (even though I have no clue what 4.0.3 offers over 4.0.2) and the best kernel (lean) overclocks, undervolts, AND OC the gpu which i think are all awesome benefits.
Then I go search around about lean and find out that some people are experiencing lag.... Its like why go through all the trouble if im going to get 5 benefits as well as 4 negatives? AND cant get OTA.
Im just wondering if there is anyone out there (not you flashaholics) that feel it is better to stay stock this time around to live in peace so to say lol Your thoughts would be appreciated.

stupidslow02gt said:
I cant decide on whether or not I want to load a custom rom on this phone!
I know this is XDA and everyone will say GO CUTSOM of course, but this is the first device I actually havent considered it. I feel like with every android phone Ive owned
And the hundreds of ROMs Ive used, Ive always experienced negatives that have come along with the positives that a custom ROM brings.
For example ill load up a ROM and it will come with the "best" kernel available, which turns out to cause 69% Android OS drain by the end of the day. Or from searching around here the custom ROM will cause shutter lag or other snall annoying things that I wouldnt be able to tolerate. I just dont know if the trade off is worth it this time as stock ICS works wonderfly for me.
I am however very interested in the 4.0.3 ROMs (even though I have no clue what 4.0.3 offers over 4.0.2) and the best kernel (lean) overclocks, undervolts, AND OC the gpu which i think are all awesome benefits.
Then I go search around about lean and find out that some people are experiencing lag.... Its like why go through all the trouble if im going to get 5 benefits as well as 4 negatives? AND cant get OTA.
Im just wondering if there is anyone out there (not you flashaholics) that feel it is better to stay stock this time around to live in peace so to say lol Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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try stock, try custom.. then let us know whats best for you. choice, my friend, is a wonderful thing

it wont hurt anything to try a custom rom, you can always go back to stock

Have you guys tried the Gummy ROM or lean kernel? Any tips to avoid any of the problems I mentioned such as shutter lag or UI lag?

I had this issue with the GNEX. I have kept it stock so far. Unlocked bootloader, rooted and made a few UI changes and a differnt kernal.
I'm happy with it for now. Who knows what future will hold.

did the stock thing (with a few root mods like battery, menu button, brightness) for a couple months, then loaded up AOKP + leankernel and love the customization and battery life
will not go back to stock

If your device does what you want it to RIGHT NOW, then stay stock. If there are features that you want and only a custom rom can provide, then try a ROM, but be aware that custom kernels and ROMS can break some functions on your phone.
I was using CM7 on my previous android phone and lost the ability to receive voicemail notifications because of it.
Decide if you need "more", but accept any risks that come up because of it.

I suggest you try out AOKP ROM for the additional features and GUI settings. I also use franco. kernel for superior battery life and a noticeable speed increase.
It's a fantastic combo.
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DaF1974 said:
I suggest you try out AOKP ROM for the additional features and GUI settings. I also use franco. kernel for superior battery life and a noticeable speed increase.
It's a fantastic combo.
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+1 for aokp + franco , they are awesome.

Excuse my noobyness but isnt AOKP just a stock untouched firmware? Or is that AOSP.
Just looked up the franco kernel and have read nothing but good things.

Nadroid - flash = see for yourself. I also recommend AOKP M3. And stock has bugs also. The only ROM that ever rebooted on me, was stock. So. Nothing is perfect that is why we like to change everything.

I'm using stock still, but rooted and using a modified status bar transparent. I plan to switch to custom but just taking my time. You can easily just nand backup your stock rom, flash custom for testing, then restore your stock backup if need be. There are lots of enhancements in the custom roms that is worthwhile.

I only got my Galaxy Nexus yesterday, however i think the stock rom is great to be honest.
There was always some problem with custom roms on the Desire.
If i was going to use a custom rom on my Galaxy Nexus i would wait for the stable release of CM9 or MIUI (if there ever is a stable one).
For now stock is fine for me personally, only thing i really miss is all the settings in the notification tray, but rooted stock is working perfect for me and its nice to have a perfectly working phone for once

well well.. flashing phones like samsung jet, omnia II, galaxy s, wave or htc touch diamond or sensation was my life..till i met the sony xperia s.. Now its too hard to decide what to do. Stay on stock or flash the new roms, kernels, mods..again and again. I am on stock now because of few lags..I hadnt expected. I am not gonna explain what was it but I wanna have fully function device on my own and that is why I made the decision to sty on stock. And of course I am still waiting for original upgrade. That is my opinion.

stupidslow02gt said:
I cant decide on whether or not I want to load a custom rom on this phone!
I know this is XDA and everyone will say GO CUTSOM of course, but this is the first device I actually havent considered it. I feel like with every android phone Ive owned
And the hundreds of ROMs Ive used, Ive always experienced negatives that have come along with the positives that a custom ROM brings.
For example ill load up a ROM and it will come with the "best" kernel available, which turns out to cause 69% Android OS drain by the end of the day. Or from searching around here the custom ROM will cause shutter lag or other snall annoying things that I wouldnt be able to tolerate. I just dont know if the trade off is worth it this time as stock ICS works wonderfly for me.
I am however very interested in the 4.0.3 ROMs (even though I have no clue what 4.0.3 offers over 4.0.2) and the best kernel (lean) overclocks, undervolts, AND OC the gpu which i think are all awesome benefits.
Then I go search around about lean and find out that some people are experiencing lag.... Its like why go through all the trouble if im going to get 5 benefits as well as 4 negatives? AND cant get OTA.
Im just wondering if there is anyone out there (not you flashaholics) that feel it is better to stay stock this time around to live in peace so to say lol Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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I know what you mean. I kept mine stock for months, which is longer than any other phone I've had. But I finally bit the bullet and went custom and I'm glad I did. You just gotta try for your self and see which you prefer.

frow86 said:
it wont hurt anything to try a custom rom, you can always go back to stock
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Laird_Attwood said:
I had this issue with the GNEX. I have kept it stock so far. Unlocked bootloader, rooted and made a few UI changes and a differnt kernal.
I'm happy with it for now. Who knows what future will hold.
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after doing whatever you want to your phone, if youre not going to flash anything, relock bootloader
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Excuse my noobyness but isnt AOKP just a stock untouched firmware? Or is that AOSP.
Just looked up the franco kernel and have read nothing but good things.
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A(ndroid)O(pen)S(ource)P(roject).
A(ndroid)O(pen)K(kang)P(project) is a custom rom by TeamKang, based on AOSP releases from Google.
Search tags: kang, aosp, source.android.com
@OP, i say just go with whatever you feel is working for you. If you feel stock is better, stick with it. I run my nexus bone stock (even with stock recovery, i use fastboot to boot cwm once, flash zip with a different font, just tired of roboto) from time to time, to get a grip of how things are going with official releases. I have no issues.
And there's no more Android OS bug. Use better battery stats (here in xda) to see whats causing wakelocks, which drains battery more than usual. If you have lte device you'll have considerably worse runtime on battery, if you on gsm then you'll get around 1d15h with 3h40 screen on with stock, when all is optimal. Lets face it, current battery technology blows.
Read a lot before flashing anything, till the point you are able to help others when they face issues without having really tested it yourself, to know possible advantages/disadvantages of x software/mod, if its user error, apps, or custom rom, or stock.
This is android as its supposed to be, some have even got bored of how easy it gets to play with this device.
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sillverdj said:
well well.. flashing phones like samsung jet, omnia II, galaxy s, wave or htc touch diamond or sensation was my life..till i met the sony xperia s.. Now its too hard to decide what to do. Stay on stock or flash the new roms, kernels, mods..again and again. I am on stock now because of few lags..I hadnt expected. I am not gonna explain what was it but I wanna have fully function device on my own and that is why I made the decision to sty on stock. And of course I am still waiting for original upgrade. That is my opinion.
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Hey thanks for reviving a 3 month old thread to talk about your Sony phone in the nexus forum LOL
Also I would like to point out that I went AOKP then CM9 then LS all with the Franco kernel and wouldn't think about going back to stock. I would consider the phone unusable compared to what it is now lol

stupidslow02gt said:
Hey thanks for reviving a 3 month old thread to talk about your Sony phone in the nexus forum LOL
Also I would like to point out that I went AOKP then CM9 then LS all with the Franco kernel and wouldn't think about going back to stock. I would consider the phone unusable compared to what it is now lol
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Yea LiquidSmooth is what I'm running on. Very fast and loads of features while being easy on the battery.

Everyone claims their 'insert rom' is easier on battery, but with the exception of those who have actively coded something like AOKP's battery saver, or BAMF Paradigm's tasker support in their LTE widget, its a bunch of BS.
Someone please show me, aside from the above, source code for a rom that saves battery. I'll settle for a github commit.
Most battery savings will come from lack of bugs that cause resource leaks and wake locks, or kernels.
All these claims are ranking right up there with statements like "deodexed for performance" or "ribbed for her pleasure".

I did flash a rom early on (Apex I believe it was) and I forget the reasoning behind me going back to stock but I am completely happy with staying on stock (& rooted) yakju. I will probably go to a rom sometime again in the future but for now I am good.
The good thing about flashing stock is that it is so easy to do it with fastboot so at any time you arent happy with roms you can just go back to stock.

[Q] Are the risks worth the benefits?

I got a brand new Galaxy S3 on Monday. Coming from an Inspire 4g and an HD2 before that, I'm not new to flashing ROMs or anything. I rooted that phone almost instantly, because it was a refurbished phone and didn't have a warranty. Now on this one, I'm a bit hesitant to root or flash any custom ROMs.
I've also read a bit about stock vs AOSP ROMs... can any one give me an example of each? Preferably a stable, JB based ROM? I would like to use a stock based ROM so I can have all my apps and settings back when I flash. This stock ROM is eating up battery life rather quickly so I want something quick, stable, and visually pleasing without any bloatware.
I am aware that I can just return my phone to the store within 14 days if it doesn't work... an employee told me they don't even look to see if it's rooted or has a custom ROM.

Synyster06Gates said:
I got a brand new Galaxy S3 on Monday. Coming from an Inspire 4g and an HD2 before that, I'm not new to flashing ROMs or anything. I rooted that phone almost instantly, because it was a refurbished phone and didn't have a warranty. Now on this one, I'm a bit hesitant to root or flash any custom ROMs.
I've also read a bit about stock vs AOSP ROMs... can any one give me an example of each? Preferably a stable, JB based ROM? I would like to use a stock based ROM so I can have all my apps and settings back when I flash. This stock ROM is eating up battery life rather quickly so I want something quick, stable, and visually pleasing without any bloatware.
I am aware that I can just return my phone to the store within 14 days if it doesn't work... an employee told me they don't even look to see if it's rooted or has a custom ROM.
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I think it is worth it. Look through the S3 forums and you'll find various options for ROMs that meet your needs. I'm running Serenity v1.1 which is a JB GNote2 port. It is stable and works well for me.
I would also read MrRobinsons stickied post about Rooting. Towards the bottom of the OP there is a tool mentioned that he made that will help you de-bloat. It works wonderfully. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426

I noticed it says the ATT one is " New Image Based off ATT I747UCALG1"
I have the newest software, would I be able to update after doing this? Or will that put me right back where I am now

I just put CM 10 over the stock ICE. Incredible difference. Go for it!
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It really depends on what kind of user you are. If you're a user that prefers stability and is not that much of a 'power user', then the risks might be troublesome for you. If you're the user that wants adventure and doesn't mind fixing bugs every now and then, then give it a go. I'm a user that's in a middle of both - I like stability and I'm kind of a power user and I also enjoy fixing bugs because I learn something new and the experience of fixing bugs increases my knowledge of how my phone works. IMO, the most stable ROM I've used so far is CM10 - I'm currently using a nightly build and it works great so far - although it kinda has a few problems like some programs crashing unexpectedly and some phone functions not working properly. My advice is that you decide first what type of user you are and then evaluate the risks you're going to take - there's a high chance that you might brick your phone even if you've rooted a phone before as there are different specs for every phoen and one mistake could cause a serious trouble.

SGS3 aokp jb, d2att 3.9.12 by task 650+ktoonsez kt747 kernel
Rooting is easy on this phone, use galaxys3root.com for figuring out rooting and here's a link to aokp jelly bean 4.1.2 by task650 and ktoonsez it is by far in my opinion the best ROM out for the att variant right now its very light and very fast with more customods then you can imagine! Just get rooted install latest cmw recovery I reccomend the touch version and read all of task650's steps for flashing and I guarantee you will be pleased rooting this phone is definitely worth it just wait til you try it with it over clocked to 2100megahertz it crazy fast! I phone ain't got jack on this!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766684

bg4710 said:
Rooting is easy on this phone, use galaxys3root.com for figuring out rooting and here's a link to aokp jelly bean 4.1.2 by task650 and ktoonsez it is by far in my opinion the best ROM out for the att variant right now its very light and very fast with more customods then you can imagine! Just get rooted install latest cmw recovery I reccomend the touch version and read all of task650's steps for flashing and I guarantee you will be pleased rooting this phone is definitely worth it just wait til you try it with it over clocked to 2100megahertz it crazy fast! I phone ain't got jack on this!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766684
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In my opinion, I would prefer this guide first before that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
That guide shows information that's what you're probably going to need if you don't want your phone to get out of warranty and if you want your phone's radio functioning properly. I followed that guide step-by-step and thoroughly and so far, I've achieved the desired result which is not to trip the flash counter. Also, I would also suggest that you search through the forums for revised rooting guides before you root your S3.

Synyster06Gates said:
I got a brand new Galaxy S3 on Monday. Coming from an Inspire 4g and an HD2 before that, I'm not new to flashing ROMs or anything. I rooted that phone almost instantly, because it was a refurbished phone and didn't have a warranty. Now on this one, I'm a bit hesitant to root or flash any custom ROMs.
I've also read a bit about stock vs AOSP ROMs... can any one give me an example of each? Preferably a stable, JB based ROM? I would like to use a stock based ROM so I can have all my apps and settings back when I flash. This stock ROM is eating up battery life rather quickly so I want something quick, stable, and visually pleasing without any bloatware.
I am aware that I can just return my phone to the store within 14 days if it doesn't work... an employee told me they don't even look to see if it's rooted or has a custom ROM.
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Here's another thought.
I came from an HD2 which from day one, I was flashing roms and kernels like crazy. I became very good at customizing and finding what I liked. I even worked very closely and aided some of the more popular rom devs. I even designed or hacked out some of my own mods including a memory management system. BUT...I could never achieve with the amazing HD2 (ahead of it' time in many ways) what the Stock Rom ICS and my S3 has done out of the box.
I meant to go to CM10 or a custom rom of some sort, but the stock rom has been a DREAM of stability which I never achieved with the HD2. It's rooted and that allows me to customize features and have more choices for apps that require root etc. I fixed a few things, added Go Launcher EX which was a huge improvement and offers awesome features, tweaked etc., and this thing runs near perfect. It's plenty fast enough. My I747m has 2gb ram and I could write a book as to why I think the 2gb makes a world of potential difference depending on setup. Also, as usual, I have frozen quite a few stock apps with Titanium Backup and replaced them with my favorite apps. (eg Handcent SMS, Kaiten Email, Boat Browser) I miss some CM features that I used to have but I have great speed, fluidity, reliability and generous flexibility....so for now...I am not doing a custom rom. FOR ME personally, I need to stay with a stable rom because I just came from near 2 years of FIXING and tweaking and killing hours upon hours.

I would be happy with just rooting it, as long as I could remove bloatware!

Synyster06Gates said:
I would be happy with just rooting it, as long as I could remove bloatware!
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That's what I would do Synyster. It's great to explore, tweak, flash....etc., but if you want the best bang for the buck, best use of time, least amount of troubleshooting and testing.... imho...
- root and install custom CWM for easy flashing of updates/tweaks and for easy backup.
-buy/install Titanium Backup pro and either remove or safer....FREEZE bloatware.

There's a lot of cool things with the AOSP roms. However, I'm at the point where I've become OCD with flashing nightlies. The more I flash ROMs the more nit picky I have been. I'm looking to go back to stock firmware, debloat, root, and CWM. I think that'll be good enough for stability IMO...

I'd say so!

Possibly buying SGS III today

while it's only $100 at best buy. How's the development for this one (AT&T)? It looks like 9/10 of the ROMs have been abandoned and not updated for a month or more, is there some reason for this?
Anyway, if I get the SGSIII I will NEED
GPS that locks within 30 seconds, I get lost A LOT.
Working audio (no skipping or weird issues) from the 3.5mm connector
stable and doesn't crash or go really slow
Camera working enough to at least take clear pictures quickly
Do any ROMs do this currently?
Also a couple other questions. What can I expect for battery life, does it last a whole day with moderately heavy use? Any known issues that just come with the device and can't be/aren't currently fixed, like crapple's camera flare or my Infuse's terrible GPS (that got fixed with a relaunch and silent recall)?

Wtf. Almost every cm10 or aokp rom has been updated nightly. Most touchwiz roms don't get updated since they are close to being finished since there are no bugs on stock roms.
If you want it to work good run touchwiz roms. With battery I get 15 to 25 hours and about 4 hours on screen time which is pretty heavy use. As for bugs none I know of on stock. Everything works flawlessly.
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you can use aokp, Its great!

While the International version has a ton of roms, the I747 has a good amount of solid builds. You can have your choice of stock ics touchwiz (ariel), jelly bean touchwiz leaks (aristodemos, serenity) and aosp jellybean hybrids (aokp, liquid smooth, paranoid android). All work perfectly with GPS locking on within 15 seconds max. Never had a problem.
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100$ outright or under contract? BB canada is 0$ on our crappy 3 year plan

Yea.... a lot of the TouchWiz ICS ROM's haven't had updates lately because there isn't really a whole lot for them to do with the ROM, since it was pretty much complete to begin with. Just about all they really did on them is remove bloat, add custom themes, and tweak some stuff here and there. The TouchWiz JB ROM's still get updated fairly regularly, since there are still tweaks to be made here and there, and things to be updated as new leaks arise. But stuff like Cyanogenmod and the different ROM's built off of it are updated daily or every other day or two.

Been using CM10 nightly and now on M2 stable build. I use it as daily driver and don't have any issues. You won't be disappointed OP

I'll give my two cents as I've had this phone for bout 4 days now and I am coming of iOS.
I am a fairly techy user. I I run Linux servers for fun. I am but never got jntk android because I figured I'd play with the phone more than use it and it would end up being broken half the time.
Immediately after getting it I rooted it and flashed the rom and have already tried CM10, two TW ROMs and whatever else I could get my hand on.
Ultimately for stability purposes I'm still on stock. The phone is really good in terms of use, and but be prepared to know that ROMing it is still an experimental thing and if you want it to work flawlessly, and you'll most probably sitting on stock (which is not a bad thing)
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not to hijack the thread..
but is Ariel the ATT equal of CleanRom for verizon?
I'm on SlimBean but battery isn't stellar... so going to try my luck at a touchwiz rom.

I have a international gs3 9300 and an ATT gs3 and I run my Att gs3 as my main phone because tasks aokp jellybean ROM is hands down the best ROM built for either phone. The 9300 has many more roms than the i747. I bought the 9300 for the increased development and I learned the expensive way that quality beats quantity in the ROM department. Get the Att gs3 and root and flash tasks aokp and I guarantee you will be very happy.

I hope you got the phone today and I hope you enjoy it. Personally, I'm so satisfied with the stock rooted ROM that I've almost kicked my flashing addiction.
Almost.
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You can look under the original development page for some good stable roms like SlimBean, PA, and Aokp. All function well enough to be a DD.

Jonnyredcorn said:
I have a international gs3 9300 and an ATT gs3 and I run my Att gs3 as my main phone because tasks aokp jellybean ROM is hands down the best ROM built for either phone. The 9300 has many more roms than the i747. I bought the 9300 for the increased development and I learned the expensive way that quality beats quantity in the ROM department. Get the Att gs3 and root and flash tasks aokp and I guarantee you will be very happy.
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I agree with Jonny here... I too am running JB AOKP and everything works perfect. Task650 is always adding new commits and is constantly updating the ROM. Another point to consider... every phone is NOT created equal. The same ROM and kernel can run better/worse on one SGS3 to the next. You have to flash and try a ROM out to see how it runs for you because it won't be the same on another phone of the same model. Besides, what's stopping YOU from going through the development area and reading the threads like the rest of us have to do to learn what we need to? First suggestion.... don't be lazy and expect others to spoon feed you answers because you WILL receive backlash and grief. Do yourself a favor and SEARCH and READ anything and everything you feel is pertinent to your query. Spare yourself the frustration. This is just a word to the wise. No disrespect intended.
Sent from my AOKP powered Samsung Galaxy S III

t3chn0s1s said:
I agree with Jonny here... I too am running JB AOKP and everything works perfect. Task650 is always adding new commits and is constantly updating the ROM. Another point to consider... every phone is NOT created equal. The same ROM and kernel can run better/worse on one SGS3 to the next. You have to flash and try a ROM out to see how it runs for you because it won't be the same on another phone of the same model. Besides, what's stopping YOU from going through the development area and reading the threads like the rest of us have to do to learn what we need to? First suggestion.... don't be lazy and expect others to spoon feed you answers because you WILL receive backlash and grief. Do yourself a favor and SEARCH and READ anything and everything you feel is pertinent to your query. Spare yourself the frustration. This is just a word to the wise. No disrespect intended.
Sent from my AOKP powered Samsung Galaxy S III
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This.
Task and ktoonzes are rocking this phone and Cyanogen himself is heading up CM development. Enough said.

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This.
Task and ktoonzes are rocking this phone and Cyanogen himself is heading up CM development. Enough said.
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Exactly.
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TheNetwork said:
while it's only $100 at best buy. How's the development for this one (AT&T)? It looks like 9/10 of the ROMs have been abandoned and not updated for a month or more, is there some reason for this?
Anyway, if I get the SGSIII I will NEED
GPS that locks within 30 seconds, I get lost A LOT.
Working audio (no skipping or weird issues) from the 3.5mm connector
stable and doesn't crash or go really slow
Camera working enough to at least take clear pictures quickly
Do any ROMs do this currently?
Also a couple other questions. What can I expect for battery life, does it last a whole day with moderately heavy use? Any known issues that just come with the device and can't be/aren't currently fixed, like crapple's camera flare or my Infuse's terrible GPS (that got fixed with a relaunch and silent recall)?
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The GPS and Navigation is AMAZING on any Android phone.
Their Music app could use some work, however i do use the app PlayerPro
TouchWiz is pretty stable but i find gets slower with time and i think thats due to the fact that its running ICS. I would recommend flashing a custom ROM such as CM10 for JB which makes the OS run ALOT smoother.
The stock camera is also very good with alot of features.
Hopes this helps.

[Q] Should I Install CM 10?

I am a long time Android and long time CM user. I have been using an LG G2x for way too long and finally got fed up with it. I have a brand new Galaxy S3 arriving tomorrow and am trying to figure out what to do when I get it.
For those of you have have used both the stock OS and CM 10, what are the advantages of each? By rooting and installing CM 10, what stock Samsung features will I lose? Are there any you think I might actually miss? So just in general, I was hoping someone who used both the stock OS and CM 10 for a decent amount of time could explain to me exactly what I will gain/lose by rooting and installing CM 10 on this phone. Thanks!

Not a good thread at all to start up man, just try them out and see for your self. Every one likes different things so it's kind of hard for us to just assume your needs... you know what I mean? Lots like both for different reasons, some always revert back to a stock rom some always go back to a cm rom.
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Leave it stock but rooted for the first few days to see what you think. Many think the extra features and that its stable and fast are worth staying stock based. Still a lot of others opt for cm or aokp regardless. Just give em both their fsir chance!
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flash the latest cm10 nightly. They work for Samsung and all
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mt3g said:
Not a good thread at all to start up man, just try them out and see for your self. Every one likes different things so it's kind of hard for us to just assume your needs... you know what I mean? Lots like both for different reasons, some always revert back to a stock rom some always go back to a cm rom.
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That is why I didn't ask if I should flash CM 10 or not. I very simply asked what the differences were between stock and CM 10. I am wondering what features I will have with stock that I will lose with CM 10 and vice versa. That is a very fair question to ask of people who have already used both. I am trying to avoid trying both by going through a hassle and having to reinstall my programs and reconfigure my settings multiple times if I don't have to.

You lose all samsung stock features. That should be a no brainer. No motion activities, no smart stay (natively) no touchwiz, no wifi calling. Vanilla stock is what it always is, clean, no bloat, and super fast... what I said wasnt in any way being rude. It was exteremly truthful, and to the point.
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mt3g said:
You lose all samsung stock features. That should be a no brainer. No motion activities, no smart stay (natively) no touchwiz, no wifi calling. Vanilla stock is what it always is, clean, no bloat, and super fast... what I said wasnt in any way being rude. It was exteremly truthful, and to the point.
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Wifi calling doesn't work on CM 10? I have been using it on CM 7 for my G2x.
So do you miss any of those Samsung features? I guess are they gimmicky or actually nice to have? From reviews, I have read that stock is really fast, so not sure if I gain speed by going to CM. Have you noticed speed improvements with CM 10 over stock?

I know but its so deeply integrated into framework and settings now its a pain. And no I personally don't miss those gimmicky features, but allot of people do. I stick to tw roms, because of battery. It always seems to last longer on stock based roms for me. Otherwise I prefer cm based roms. Lets just say I'll be moving to cm as soon as I feel it is closer to 100% in my eyes. Or the nexus 4 lol. And the only way I can feel it being 100% is by me testing it, not asking others. That's what I meant with my 1st post.
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I have to agree with mt3g here. AOSP ROMs are not the same as TW ROMs. I used TW for awhile when I first got my SGS3 and flashed pretty much all of them out there. I wasn't concerned with battery use, as I consider myself a battery expert. I was more interested in performance and features that were exclusive to TW and AOSP. They are so different that the only way to really get to know each other is to test drive them yourself.
Now I am on LiquidSmooth (AOSP base) and I love it. I am getting massive battery life, have tethering (I thethered my tablet to is almost all day yesterday after a bad flash [on the tablet not the phone]), Theme chooser springs a bit of life back into the eyecandy part. <--sometimes people flash not bc they want a new ROM but a new look .
Will I go back to TW? Sure. I tested Doc's ROM before he released it and I like it plenty enough to run it as a daily driver. But this is XDA and what are here for?
What do we want? A custom ROM
When do we want it? NO ETAs!!!! :cyclops:

Woodrube said:
I have to agree with mt3g here. AOSP ROMs are not the same as TW ROMs. I used TW for awhile when I first got my SGS3 and flashed pretty much all of them out there. I wasn't concerned with battery use, as I consider myself a battery expert. I was more interested in performance and features that were exclusive to TW and AOSP. They are so different that the only way to really get to know each other is to test drive them yourself.
Now I am on LiquidSmooth (AOSP base) and I love it. I am getting massive battery life, have tethering (I thethered my tablet to is almost all day yesterday after a bad flash [on the tablet not the phone]), Theme chooser springs a bit of life back into the eyecandy part. <--sometimes people flash not bc they want a new ROM but a new look .
Will I go back to TW? Sure. I tested Doc's ROM before he released it and I like it plenty enough to run it as a daily driver. But this is XDA and what are here for?
What do we want? A custom ROM
When do we want it? NO ETAs!!!! :cyclops:
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Very well said. :good:
I personally never ever ran a touchwiz or sense ROMs on any device I've ever owned for more than a day. I just missed the full control cm ROMs give. Ever since my HD2 I've ran cm7 up to cm10 on my s3. I really never notice the features being lost from a tw ROM mostly because I don't use them. Never really thought their "advertised" features were all that.
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I am running on a CM10 based rom and the only stock Samsung feature I miss is the Smart Stay. Everything else was just too gimmicky

Pretty sure there is an app for most of the samsung features.
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I stuck to stock ICS TW for a couple of days and I didn't enjoy it.
It just seemed too much and I wanted a closer to stock experience.
Made the switch to CM10. Greatest thing ever.
It's simple, effective, and works in pretty much every way that I would like.
The only thing that I miss from TW is the Messaging app.

jimbo831 said:
I am a long time Android and long time CM user. I have been using an LG G2x for way too long and finally got fed up with it. I have a brand new Galaxy S3 arriving tomorrow and am trying to figure out what to do when I get it.
For those of you have have used both the stock OS and CM 10, what are the advantages of each? By rooting and installing CM 10, what stock Samsung features will I lose? Are there any you think I might actually miss? So just in general, I was hoping someone who used both the stock OS and CM 10 for a decent amount of time could explain to me exactly what I will gain/lose by rooting and installing CM 10 on this phone. Thanks!
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Do you use Skype, Vox, or any other VOIP app? If you do, then don't flash CM10, AOKP or any other AOSP based rom.

sovereignty68 said:
Do you use Skype, Vox, or any other VOIP app? If you do, then don't flash CM10, AOKP or any other AOSP based rom.
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May I know why? I'm right now with the Galaxy SI and on CM10, hoping to get the S3 and on the same dilemma. Right now my Skype works well on the CM10, Viber works only on speaker phone.

Having tried cm 10/aokp as well as TW ROMs for extended periods of time, I can say the following:
Although at first missing a certain TW feature might seem like a drawback- the feeling comes from what you're used to, and after a few days or week you will likely forget those features which you previously had which you thought were so important. For me the TW calendar (s Planner) was the big thing I was missing- since for a while I really couldn't find a good substitute which looked as good and performed as well! Finally I found one, so now I don't even compare anymore, but even if I hadn't found a substitute I'm sure I would have moved on at some point.
Point is, base your choice on the majority of the benefits that you'll get from the respective ROM. Personally, I like aokp/cm10 precisely because of its overall simplistic aesthetic ( I'm in love with the native jelly bean fonts used in the notification bar) and its native ability to theme. In terms of performance and extra tweaks, there are plenty of custom TW ROMs which are on par with the aosp ones (IMO). So I think it comes down to the overall feel/look, and pure personal preference.
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jimbo831 said:
I am a long time Android and long time CM user. I have been using an LG G2x for way too long and finally got fed up with it. I have a brand new Galaxy S3 arriving tomorrow and am trying to figure out what to do when I get it.
For those of you have have used both the stock OS and CM 10, what are the advantages of each? By rooting and installing CM 10, what stock Samsung features will I lose? Are there any you think I might actually miss? So just in general, I was hoping someone who used both the stock OS and CM 10 for a decent amount of time could explain to me exactly what I will gain/lose by rooting and installing CM 10 on this phone. Thanks!
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you will lose wifi calling, you will lose the ability to upload music straight from the music player to drop box, you will lose your mind, however, once you run a JB ROM and use google now for the first time, and you will go ape over the amount of customization available to cm10 users.
honestly, used "stock" for about 3 weeks when i first got my device back in july, flashed cm10, and never looked back. words cannot describe how amazing and feature-packed a cm10 ROM is...
flash hellfire 1.3 (if you don't mind the red), and give slim bean a shot if you don't want the red. I have had nothing but positive results with those two.
also, follow my guide in this section for the flashing process.
good luck.

WiFi calling
For me WiFi calling is the biggest feature, and extremely important. I don't have T-Mobile signal in my lab, where I spend most of the time and WiFi calling is the only hope. This is why I'm staying with the stock for now.
But if anyone can show me a way to get WiFi calling on CM10, I will be really thankful. Hate the stock rom from the bottom of my heart!!
-Thanks

The camera on cm10 is whats holding me back but once they come out with cm10.1 based on JB 4.2 then i think ill root and rom my phone.
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[Q] Which JB ROM works with PDroid?

I'm a NOOB when it comes to Android development, so, when I try to run the "Autopatcher" and it fails then it's time for me to give up and ask for help...
Has anybody gotten PDroid to work on Galaxy S3 w/a JB ROM?
If not, I guess I'll have to see if I can figure out how to fix the errors. Need to learn how to make a COMPLETE backup of my phone first so I don't have to re-install apps next time I soft-brick/boot loop my phone - need my phone to run solid as my "Daily Driver" (don't have a second GS3 for testing purposes...)

I'm assuming you're using cm10 or aosp?
I'm not aware of anyone ever getting it to work on non-aosp roms since the original was written for GB. Unless there's been a breakthrough in the last month or so, I wouldn't expect to see it on TW anytime soon.
Hope I'm wrong though! I've wanted this for a long time! But if no one could get it on ICS, well, JB is a bit more....finicky....
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DocHoliday77 said:
I'm assuming you're using cm10 or aosp?
I'm not aware of anyone ever getting it to work on non-aosp roms since the original was written for GB. Unless there's been a breakthrough in the last month or so, I wouldn't expect to see it on TW anytime soon.
Hope I'm wrong though! I've wanted this for a long time! But if no one could get it on ICS, well, JB is a bit more....finicky....
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Well I was on Liquid Smooth and that was good, but, I missed some of the Touch Wiz "enhancements" - but - most of all I read this statement regarding any non-TW ROMs: "are missing the Qualcom Optimizations which" which make a substantial difference in performance.
AFAIK none of the CM10/AOSP ROMs have those optimizations - greater efficiency = greater battery life.
So I recently switched to FreeGS3 R7.1 "Resurrection" and when I look at my Battery and see that I've been on for 22 hours with SIXTY percent left - WOW, I don't want to go back.
But every day, several times a day, I'm thinking to myself how much it SUCKS that I can't control app permissions on my own stinking phone! ARGH!!! I miss being a teenager without the combination of work/school/kids/wife that has a list of things for me to do 'cause I don't have time to spend hours every day on software development for my phone (I must admit though, I do sneak into these forums whenever work is not busy, so maybe I could do some but I hardly know where to start in terms of getting PDroid working...)
I've asked several places, but don't know yet - is there ANY stable Jelly Bean ROM that works with PDroid for T-Mobile (T999) Galaxy S3?
EDIT: I feel like choosing between "Qualcom Optimizations" and PDroid (not being able to have both) on Jelly Bean is like buying a car and having to choose from either not having the engine, or not having the wheels - ie: not a good choice to have to make.

OK, my friend at work finally found one for me: galaxymod (port from Verizon).
Here's the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2089801
I'm still looking to see if SynergyROM has been ported?