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Bad NAND blocks causing problems?

I've installed and reinstalled android since the .7 builds before android 1.0 was out, i've installed using data images and ext2 partitions... I've put my time in, so i've had a G1 since december and have pretty muched stopped playing with my kaiser, I picked it up today and have been trying to do a NAND install of Poly's build with no luck... got the 320x240-Panel2-Tilt NBH installed and booting, along with poly's build dropping into the andboot folder... and updated to radio 1.71*, after doing a install to NAND (and wiping /data & /system)... I see that I have bad blocks on my mtdblock3 (NAND) when its mounted... I cant seem to boot android all the way, anyone else have a bootable android that has bad blocks... AFAIK most devices that use NAND work around potential bad blocks (Wii, XB360, etc) will it format around these blocks?

wow, I reflashed the .NBH, and still getting the same bad block error, set the phone down and was browsing the web and listening to TwiG, look back over at the phone and it WAS sitting on a shell on a blank line ie. "#", and started the NexusOne logo!!! so I guess its all good with bad blocks and all!

Now another question, I'm on a $9.99 featurephone unlimited dataplan for AT&T, if I throw my sim back in my Tilt, will they figure it out? I dont have my IMEI registered, but obviously they can see it... lol, I know its a little off topic.

I have 3 bad blocks on my Tilt and doesn't seem to be affecting anything.

Yes bad blocks are a part of every NAND memory device. I read somewhere that there is like a 5% failure rate on these types of memory. It's just how the tech is. However, there is a system built into it to keep track of the bad blocks, once it's marked bad, it will never be used. I also have 1 bad block and have had no ill effect on my kaiser. It just seems that the boot process lists which blocks are being reported as bad by the memory.
Hope this helps.

I have around 7 bad blocks, and OK with my sistem.hahahahahahaha.

jmhalder said:
Now another question, I'm on a $9.99 featurephone unlimited dataplan for AT&T, if I throw my sim back in my Tilt, will they figure it out? I dont have my IMEI registered, but obviously they can see it... lol, I know its a little off topic.
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Yeah they will. They figured it out in less than a week when I got my old Hermes. Even without my IMEI registered, and a custom ROM installed, my account on the site showed I was using a Cingular 8525. They automatically switched me to the $30 data plan. There was absolutely nothing I could do.

at&t
"They" do know, but if you have a feature called "smartphone exclusion" you can get away with a $15 data plan, but as soon as you upgrade to a smartphone the exclusion feature is removed.
So, if you have two lines always upgrade the one that will not be using a smartphone, then switch sim cards.
The only way to know if there is a smartphone exclusion feature is for a rep to open your account and look at your feature codes, even the $0 features.
This probably doesn't make any sense, but I wish there was a way to block an IMEI, then no problem. In the past we could put all 1111's for an imei in the system as a non att phone and there were no reprocussions.
peace

I've wondered the same thing at times about the imei. It seems every time I went exploring the "making imei different' option, all I would ever get is the big lecture about stealing phones.
(RANT ALERT)
Kinda like when you go buy allergy medicine and get carded, cause there are a bunch of losers out there doing something illegal with it.
I am not sure of the ethical issues with using 'too much data' or paying more, b/c I use my wife's Samsung Flite (insured non-smartphone) with $15.00 internet tethered bluetooth to my laptop, so eh...... I'm always a stickler for paying what I think something is worth to me, especially after a company has REALLY taken advantage of me a time or two. And btw, where I live, I only get 1 bar most of the time. Really, our phones hardly work, so we have skype on the PC to make calls from our home. They work great in the city that I work in, but i'm on a computer using google talk mostly. Can you say "Holes in the coverage map?" And yes, i've tried all the radios. Be it my kaiser, the old hermes, my wife's samsung flight, or the 3 we've had Blackjacks, theres just never been good coverage. So ya, I think i'm overpaying a bit. I just use my phone as a toy, a hobby, a see what it can do.
I've read about IMEI changing being illegal in certain countries. What about the USA? I mean seriously, I drive a car with no catalytic converter, but we don't have emissions checks in my state. Yes that means I'm breaking the law, but I also think that relatively speaking, i'd rather the police spend their time busting Meth labs than worrying about my car emitting 20% more stuff from the exhaust.
Its all about saving money, because everyone is trying to get ALL of it from you.
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Can the imei on the kaiser be changed, or killed for that matter? Has it been explored?
And please, spare me the stolen phone lecture. I just don't think I can take it.

carcomp said:
And please, spare me the stolen phone lecture. I just don't think I can take it.
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How about the "It's illegal to change your IMEI number in most countries and you could face prison if you do it" lecture?

carcomp said:
I've read about IMEI changing being illegal in certain countries. What about the USA? I mean seriously, I drive a car with no catalytic converter, but we don't have emissions checks in my state. Yes that means I'm breaking the law, but I also think that relatively speaking, i'd rather the police spend their time busting Meth labs than worrying about my car emitting 20% more stuff from the exhaust.
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Pulling out the catalytic converter won't increase your mpg, as many modern cars actually require the back pressure. You'd have to also modify the computer, or own a car made in the 70's and older.
Its all about saving money, because everyone is trying to get ALL of it from you.
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I bought my Kaiser off Ebay, and it's actually made for the UK. Just to try and avoid having to pay a $25 fee for having access to unlimited internet. Course the 3G doesn't work with T-Mobile in USA, but I use 2G anyway to save battery power.
Cell phone industry is just one big scam. You can't afford to buy a new phone, unless it's under contract, and switching cell phone companies will cost you a disconnection fee. Not to forget that their cell phones are locked to them only, and requires you to beg for the unlock code.
Honestly wish that T-Mobile had a $10 fee for getting unlimited internet, cause relying on wifi is a huge hassle.

Dukenukemx said:
Pulling out the catalytic converter won't increase your mpg, as many modern cars actually require the back pressure. You'd have to also modify the computer, or own a car made in the 70's and older.
I bought my Kaiser off Ebay, and it's actually made for the UK. Just to try and avoid having to pay a $25 fee for having access to unlimited internet. Course the 3G doesn't work with T-Mobile in USA, but I use 2G anyway to save battery power.
Cell phone industry is just one big scam. You can't afford to buy a new phone, unless it's under contract, and switching cell phone companies will cost you a disconnection fee. Not to forget that their cell phones are locked to them only, and requires you to beg for the unlock code.
Honestly wish that T-Mobile had a $10 fee for getting unlimited internet, cause relying on wifi is a huge hassle.
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Well i've officially derailed this thread. sorry. I'll go join the ranks of losers that I always complain about
BTW, my car doesn't have a cat cause its a 18 year old Cutlass Calais, and I'm not paying to put one back on where the original one rusted away. It does have a new exhaust however, and right where that cat converter goes is a nice shiny honda resonator from a civic Si (got it from a friend at college when he put an aftermarket exhaust on his car).
I don't think you'll get prison time in the United States for messing with your phone, I'm not sure either. I've never heard of it actually happening due to someone changing imei numbers in order to profit criminally in some way.
BTW, just to tie this thread back into its original form, i've gotten Bad Nand blocks reported one time. I flashed hardspl again using sdcard method, and haven't seen them mentioned in android boot since. Weird huh?

carcomp said:
BTW, just to tie this thread back into its original form, i've gotten Bad Nand blocks reported one time. I flashed hardspl again using sdcard method, and haven't seen them mentioned in android boot since. Weird huh?
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I get errors with bad nand blocks as well, but as someone mentioned, that's normal. It's like buying a LCD TV and you see a few dead pixels. That's normal, even though it pisses you off, knowing that companies dare make products with some defects. Even CPUs have this too. For example, when Intel or AMD makes CPUs, they pick the ones that happen to be made well. The ones with the less defects can clock higher, and therefore cost more money. The CPUs with the more defects get clocked lower, and sold cheaper. It's gotten to the point where some companies are disabling cores. ATI and Nvidia first did this with their videos cards, disabling pipelines that were bad. Now AMD does this with their Athlon and Phenom CPUs, by disabling 1 or even 2 bad cores. Good news is that, many products were sold without defective cores or pipelines, and if you know what you're doing, and lucky enough, you could turn cheap products into expensive ones.
Yea I derailed myself. Anyway, after messing with Android on my Kaiser for 5 hours, I decided it wasn't ready. There's 6 issues that bothered me. Doubt any of it is related to bad nand blocks.
#1 Random features don't function unless you restart phone. Couldn't play MP3's because format wasn't supported. Restarted phone, and now I can play MP3's. There's a lot of instances where restarting the phone will fix a problem, but that brings me to the second issue.
#2 Restarting phone can cause it to not boot. Wouldn't be a huge problem if I didn't need to restart often, but I do. Usually, pulling the battery and holding the power button for a while, usually fixes it for me.
#3 Random freezing. You never know when your phone will just freeze. I got it to freeze when changing my ring tone.
#4 Installing applications must be in internal memory. A specific Android related problem, but annoying as hell. There's a solution to this, but it requires me to partition my SD card, and format it as ext2.
#5 No offline GPS. Again, specific to Android but something I can't live without. I heard Ndrive can do it, but I'd rather use the GPS that comes with the Android. I'm sure there's a way around it, but no good step by step guides to do it.
#6 Can't send audio with texts. I'm not sure if this is a Android issue, or if I needed to restart my phone. I love being able to send pictures and music formatted in the AMR format to friends, but for the life of me I couldn't select any AMR audio to send with texts. I could attact pictures with no problem, but couldn't find any of my mp3's or amr files. The same could be said about changing my ring tone to a mp3, as it just couldn't see it.

Did what i said to you in the other thread help with the sticky boot, and the lockups?

You mean the 3.29 boot loader? It still happened when I flashed it. Though, I did notice that Android booted faster, but that maybe my perception.

FloatingFatMan said:
How about the "It's illegal to change your IMEI number in most countries and you could face prison if you do it" lecture?
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Its not illegal in america, it IS undoubtably illegal in lots of europe... its obviously illegal to exploit that to do malicious things... but whatever, the knowledge to do so is obviously NOT illegal, I'm VERY tired of that argument... that kind of info IS on this site... also, claiming illegality in the US will require citing law for me to really take ANY credibility in it...
*once again, I'm only promoting the KNOWLEDGE to be able to modify this, not the actual act... obviously there are a TON of scumbags that want this info to push devices illegally in the EU, but I personally could give a crap about them.*
/Rant

jmhalder said:
Its not illegal in america, it IS undoubtably illegal in lots of europe... its obviously illegal to exploit that to do malicious things... but whatever, the knowledge to do so is obviously NOT illegal, I'm VERY tired of that argument... that kind of info IS on this site... also, claiming illegality in the US will require citing law for me to really take ANY credibility in it...
*once again, I'm only promoting the KNOWLEDGE to be able to modify this, not the actual act... obviously there are a TON of scumbags that want this info to push devices illegally in the EU, but I personally could give a crap about them.*
/Rant
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I guess someone totally missed the smiley at the end of my post.
As for the knowledge how to do it, it took be approx 5 seconds to put a search in to XDA's search box and come up with the results how to do it. Try it yourself instead of complaining about it.

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I guess someone totally missed the smiley at the end of my post.
As for the knowledge how to do it, it took be approx 5 seconds to put a search in to XDA's search box and come up with the results how to do it. Try it yourself instead of complaining about it.
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I've searched, and used good forum etiquette, no need for the harshness, i've tried the single piece of software available that isn't INTENDED for the Kaiser, and I couldn't get it to work, also couldn't find any reports of it working for the Kaiser. PM me if you have any other info.

Please PM me too. I've performed the same searches and haven't found anything useful.

Actually changing your IMEI in order to get a service you have not paid for would be fraud, which I believe would be a felony charge at least.
There are US laws on the book regarding changing electronic "serial numbers" on mobile communications devices. They don't say IMEI (this was to deal with ESN cloning fraud in the late '90s with analog cell phones) but if you actually read the laws as they are written - you'd see they could easily interpreted a lot of different ways.
And in todays climate of anti-terror paranoia, I'm sure that changing your imei might also be construed as an attempt to avoid legitimate surveillance, i.e. wiretapping, which uses the imei in order to intercept traffic to and from a suspects device.
Not that i'm being a killjoy, I just had a look for ways of changing imei, and found a few ways of doing it, i'm just about to point anyone in their direction, since i'm in the UK

Warrantless cellphone searches any way to block them?

I don't live in one of these states but I have read about the machine they use in mich and it says it can pull data off iphones android etc. Is there anyway to block this thing just curious what exactly its doing sounds like its "hacking" our phones isn't that illegal too?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=21443

quik99 said:
I don't live in one of these states but I have read about the machine they use in mich and it says it can pull data off iphones android etc. Is there anyway to block this thing just curious what exactly its doing sounds like its "hacking" our phones isn't that illegal too?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=21443
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Yeah, get a cheap phone that is not a smartphone. All of our data is already available to Google and Sprint.
Do you BONSAI?

Interesting read, thanks
@kenny
what kinda data do they read besides our texts and phone numbers??

kennyglass123 said:
Yeah, get a cheap phone that is not a smartphone. All of our data is already available to Google and Sprint.
Do you BONSAI?
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nope is there something in it that would help? Currently using ACS which has carrier IQ removed..and neither google or sprint have the entire contents of my SD card pictures I have taken etc
davidrules7778 said:
Interesting read, thanks
@kenny
what kinda data do they read besides our texts and phone numbers??
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Everything pictures call logs gps data. The device in mich says it pulls about everything and works on 95% of phones and they are using it for normal traffic stops

quik99 said:
nope is there something in it that would help? Currently using ACS which has carrier IQ removed..and neither google or sprint have the entire contents of my SD card pictures I have taken etc
Everything pictures logs gps data
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Well im on bonsai and no carrior iq as well so i think we will be good, plus i really dont think unless your dealing drugs via text and phone calls and get in trouble with the law they arent going to arrest you and check whats on your phone.....

Again I dont live there so its really not a bit deal was just kinda asking but they are pulling all of this data for traffic stops I do get those quite a bit on my bike the below is from the article
"Michigan State Police officers have been using a device called Cellebrite UFED Physical Pro for the last couple years. The device scrapes off everything stored on the phone -- GPS geotag data, media (pictures, videos, music, etc.), text messages, emails, call history, and more.
Michigan State Police have been reportedly regularly been scraping the phones of people they pull over."
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Well im on bonsai and no carrior iq as well so i think we will be good, plus i really dont think unless your dealing drugs via text and phone calls and get in trouble with the law they arent going to arrest you and check whats on your phone.....
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davidrules7778 said:
Interesting read, thanks
@kenny
what kinda data do they read besides our texts and phone numbers??
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Google keeps track of apps downloaded, usage, contacts, emails (gmail), texts, GPS data, and basically anytime you use your phone with the Android system. They are worse than big brother. If you so choose they can also use gps data tagging everytime you take a pic, better than satellite spying.

tthe epic is not supprrted by this device. if you go to the cellebrite website it lists what devices are. 99 percent of the phones ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE WIRELESSLY.
if you select a device it lists how it connects. i found the evo on the list and it says you have to manually hook it up with a usb cable. same thing with the galaxy tab and the continum. this thing doesnt scare me. im pretty confident in my ability to hard reset my phone before the cop gets to my window.
http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-standard-kit.html
device list.
http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-standard-kit/ufed-logical-supported-phones.html

What do you all have on your phone that you may be arrested for?

kennyglass123 said:
What do you all have on your phone that you may be arrested for?
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Nothing, its the principle of it all...
Just another way for the government to take a dump on the bill of rights. I'd really like to know what BS loophole they hide behind to get around the 4th amendment. After they do away with the 4th they'll just work their way up the list. Next thing you know they'll be living in your house, taking your guns and not letting you speak out about the whole thing.

austin420 said:
tthe epic is not supprrted by this device. if you go to the cellebrite website it lists what devices are. 99 percent of the phones ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE WIRELESSLY.
if you select a device it lists how it connects. i found the evo on the list and it says you have to manually hook it up with a usb cable. same thing with the galaxy tab and the continum. this thing doesnt scare me. im pretty confident in my ability to hard reset my phone before the cop gets to my window.
http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-standard-kit.html
device list.
http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-standard-kit/ufed-logical-supported-phones.html
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Well ya if you got something to hide but I dont think rushing to do a hard reset and also deleting all of yoru SD card data anytime you get pulled over sounds like a good idea/fun unless you are a drug lord lol
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What do you all have on your phone that you may be arrested for?
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nothing but I dont think a cop should get a copy of my girls titty picture she sent me because I went 5mph over.

[QUOTEnothing but I dont think a cop should get a copy of my girls titty picture she sent me because I went 5mph over. [/QUOTE]
HA! Nice...can we see? J/K
Good point. Apparently it needs to be placed next to the device. You can refuse to give it to them.

Agreed that it's not about having anything to hide, it is indeed the principle. Fourth amendment is supposed protect our privacy and the courts have processes in place for authorities to collect evidence. This device cracks open everything in your life and all information about you that comes across your phone. It might seem trivial, but does anyone else need to know about your shenanigans, deepest secrets revealed via text to your best friend(s), banking information, and anything else? Not ok IMO!

Agreed. They should NOT be allowed to look into your phone. EVER. Unless they HONESTL beleive it to be packed with drugs (which would probably take FOREVER), then no. I Will NOT hand it over. Thank god for clock work mod, and the 10 minutes they spend logging data. means you could pull battery, go in, wipe data, and have it done before they can do ANYTHING. No i have nothing to hide (privacy is not HIDING), but NO you may not read my, or my freinds texts of problems. Just not gonna happen.

Easy answer...write your congressman and lawmakers to make this illegal without warrant.

carry a ****ty prepaid phone with you and just give that to the cop. I would prob have one in my car for just that if I lived in mich. I mean for a speeding ticket they get my ****ty phone and I get a ticket. But obviously if i'm busted for something serious and get taken in they would get my phone. But the second senario is not really what i'm worried about.

The article was updated with a press release by the Michigan State Police. They only use the device with a warrant or consent.
The Supreme Court of the Ohio ruled in State v. Smith that mobile phones are now akin to laptop computers in that they can be seized but not searched until a warrant has been issued. With California (who would have thought they would be the one to rule that way) giving an opposite decision, this will probably end up in front of the Supreme Court of the United States for a decision before long.
For now, turn your phone off when the red and blue lights come on.

they can't crack the epic as of now, not even on list of cable supported phones.
so really doesn't even matter (for now) .
still kinda scary that they do this, and they're allowed to.

Magic Oreo said:
they can't crack the epic as of now, not even on list of cable supported phones.
so really doesn't even matter (for now) .
still kinda scary that they do this, and they're allowed to.
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not true, it is supported via wire. This is pretty sketchy.

legalize it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Q] hard brick, now what?

ok this has already been said to be hard bricked. i tried the JTAG and it didnt work because of a damaged EMMC chip. but how does a EMMC chip get damaged??? could it of been from shipping it to texas (place where it got JTAGged)? what about sprint could i lie and get a refurbished one???
btw it was bricked by a flash, so how could it damage the EMMC chip????
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i flashed cm9 with the el26 CWM repacked ( the one in the directions) and i still bricked...

How do you know EMMC chip damaged? Just curious...

jamcar said:
ok this has already been said to be hard bricked. i tried the JTAG and it didnt work because of a damaged EMMC chip. but how does a EMMC chip get damaged??? could it of been from shipping it to texas (place where it got JTAGged)? what about sprint could i lie and get a refurbished one???
btw it was bricked by a flash, so how could it damage the EMMC chip????
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It was damaged when you formatted the partitions in cwm....only thing you can do is go to sprint and see if they replace it if not then ship it to Samsung and see if they will do it.....it was not damaged in shipping...it was damaged by u not reading and flashing the way devs have said
The emmc is not really damaged but the partitions are screwed up and no way to fix..
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What you do is post in the right section and then buy another god damn phone... I don't mean to be a **** but seriously, there have been sooo many bricking threads and warnings...

Now what? Now you go to Sprint, be honest with them, appeal to their kindness and hope for the best. If that doesn't work then you buy a new one.

I'll supplement the previous comments by this...
Once you get your new phone read up on flashing CM9 to avoid bricking it again. You can start with the sticky at the top of this thread.

No. What you do is, go to Sprint, say you were playing a game, it froze, you pulled the battery and now all it has is a steady blue LED and you don't know why. Do not mention rooting, act like you don't know what rooting is. They can't check if it's rooted anymore without wiping all software so you're fine. If you have warranty, they'll have a replacement in 3 days.

Stay away from CM9. C stands for catastrophic and m for meltdown, the nine is just a nine.
Pp.
" It is said that when He swims, dolphins appear "......... even if its in a pool!

hrffd said:
No. What you do is, go to Sprint, say you were playing a game, it froze, you pulled the battery and now all it has is a steady blue LED and you don't know why. Do not mention rooting, act like you don't know what rooting is. They can't check if it's rooted anymore without wiping all software so you're fine. If you have warranty, they'll have a replacement in 3 days.
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Yes, by all means let's advise people how to avoid taking personal responsibility for not following instructions and screwing up their phones in the process. That's a surefire way to keep future costs down.

Bricked also, welcome to the club
I to have a bricked device. I now know that this issue resides from a defect that resides in the kernel i believe and really only happens when going from one ICS rom to another. I can't believe that this even happened in the first place. Since i first got the phone when it was released I've been flashing away completely fine up until I flashed the Slim rom and then bam, Nothing. I to sent it in for repair at mobiletechvideos.com but they were not able to fix that eMMC data issue. I've been dealing with this since May 2 now and still don't have a working phone. I"m going to be send back to Samsung for a possible repair but this issue is not because of anything that you did wrong. It's a know issue by know and hopefully in the near future other users won't have to deal this this same **** either. Sounds like a possible patch in the works to prevent this from happening at all on these phones running this particular processor.
Good luck to you
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Esoteric68 said:
Yes, by all means let's advise people how to avoid taking personal responsibility for not following instructions and screwing up their phones in the process. That's a surefire way to keep future costs down.
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I'm sorry I have to say this. First let me say that I do believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. But the arguement that people going in a lying to sprint will raise cost is mute. If one was to stop and think about this. This is a company that sells you a plan that includes unlimited data and text and then charges you an additional fee for premium data. They have a whole team at the corporate level that their whole job is to figure out ways to raise cost and pitch it to customers in a way that they will still want to buy. I really do understand what you're saying but believe me. If everyone that ever bricked a phone was honest and paid out the ass for a new phone. Sprint and Samsung would still raise the cost of their services and producst. The only thing that people lying to sprint does is give them an excuse. Maybe I've been in the tech feild too long and am just jaded. Its not just sprint. Its all companies like that. How else do you think they afford to pay their CEO's and underlings 6-7figures aa year.

I believe the issue lies with step 2 in the cm9 install directions.
I never wipe data or factory reset in CWM. Wipe cache or davlik is fine. I always use calks format all to wipe data.
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jamesey said:
I believe the issue lies with step 2 in the cm9 install directions.
I never wipe data or factory reset in CWM. Wipe cache or davlik is fine. I always use calks format all to wipe data.
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I do the same except I use the modified format (no data) zip as well but sounds like its only a matter of time before I get bit for being lazy

hrffd said:
No. What you do is, go to Sprint, say you were playing a game, it froze, you pulled the battery and now all it has is a steady blue LED and you don't know why. Do not mention rooting, act like you don't know what rooting is. They can't check if it's rooted anymore without wiping all software so you're fine. If you have warranty, they'll have a replacement in 3 days.
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Completely off-topic but your signature is making me want to fire up the GBA emulator and play Pokemon Red/Blue again.

Is this issue only going to get worse when a true ICS recovery is developed? Will the new recoveries gracefully handle GB to ICS and the reverse? I hope so, or it sounds like we're in for a lot of madness.
I've always used Mobile Odin to get back to EL26 and I've never had a problem flip-flopping back and forth to roms. CM9 alpha 4 seems very refined to me and I'm going to stick with it for awhile until MIUI gets its battery issues resolved.
But I say if people want to play in the ICS pool, pay your $5 to get mobile odin pro, and only use the proper EL26 recovery for everything. It's so simple and that's a lot cheaper than a warranty replace or totally new phone.

jamesey said:
I believe the issue lies with step 2 in the cm9 install directions.
I never wipe data or factory reset in CWM. Wipe cache or davlik is fine. I always use calks format all to wipe data.
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I believe the issue lies in user error. CM9 instructions are to odin el26cwm which has been safe to wipe/data since it's a Gingerbread kernel. I have installed cm9, aokp, codename, gummy, and mainly lots of nightly builds for cm9. Never had an issue and yes I followed the cm9 instructions. Somewhere along the way I believe people don't realize is that on this phone, every time you flash a rom, it comes with it's own kernel and recovery if there is one packaged. For now all instructions are pretty much the same across the board, for any flashing wiping etc it has to be done on a gingerbread recovery either el26 or el29.

scarmon25 said:
I'm sorry I have to say this. First let me say that I do believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. But the arguement that people going in a lying to sprint will raise cost is mute. If one was to stop and think about this. This is a company that sells you a plan that includes unlimited data and text and then charges you an additional fee for premium data. They have a whole team at the corporate level that their whole job is to figure out ways to raise cost and pitch it to customers in a way that they will still want to buy. I really do understand what you're saying but believe me. If everyone that ever bricked a phone was honest and paid out the ass for a new phone. Sprint and Samsung would still raise the cost of their services and producst. The only thing that people lying to sprint does is give them an excuse. Maybe I've been in the tech feild too long and am just jaded. Its not just sprint. Its all companies like that. How else do you think they afford to pay their CEO's and underlings 6-7figures aa year.
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You're right, of course the carrier(s) and manufacturer(s) are going to continue to raise costs because they are a business and that's how they stay in business but it's a little naive (or wishful thinking?) to assume these types of events do not affect cost.
So while I agree with you on that point (they raise prices regardless) I still stand firm on people lying to cover their asses when they screw up and ruin their phones.
I can't count the number of these threads I've seen, just since January, despite there being tons of warnings, detailed installation instructions, and other threads like this alerting people what not to do. It leaves me to wonder how many people have read, but not posted, and followed the dishonest advice to obtain new phones at little or no cost.
My argument is that we are enabling an irresponsible mindset that doesn't stop with broken phones. Pointless argument perhaps but just my personal feelings.

Esoteric68 said:
You're right, of course the carrier(s) and manufacturer(s) are going to continue to raise costs because they are a business and that's how they stay in business but it's a little naive (or wishful thinking?) to assume these types of events do not affect cost.
So while I agree with you on that point (they raise prices regardless) I still stand firm on people lying to cover their asses when they screw up and ruin their phones.
I can't count the number of these threads I've seen, just since January, despite there being tons of warnings, detailed installation instructions, and other threads like this alerting people what not to do. It leaves me to wonder how many people have read, but not posted, and followed the dishonest advice to obtain new phones at little or no cost.
My argument is that we are enabling an irresponsible mindset that doesn't stop with broken phones. Pointless argument perhaps but just my personal feelings.
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I do agree with some of your points, though I think your exaggerating the costs.
They are not going to give him a new phone just a refurbished one. The one he damaged is not beyond repair. It will be sent out and be refurbished for someone else.
I'm sure the cost of tep more then covers Sprint's costs.

PanchoPlanet said:
Stay away from CM9. C stands for catastrophic and m for meltdown, the nine is just a nine.
Pp.
" It is said that when He swims, dolphins appear "......... even if its in a pool!
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Except that, if you actually follow instructions, it's not either of those things. I've flashed CM9 and AOKP literally dozens of times, following the instructions to the letter, and haven't had a single issue. All you have to do is make sure that when you do wipe data/factory reset, you're doing it on EL26 Stock CWM, not a Rogue repack or whatnot.

People are going to do whatever they do no matter what is said. Some feel they've been screwed over by the carriers and OEM's and this is their opportunity to get back at em. Trust me if I had an opportunity toto stick Comcast with a nice shafting I would. In all honesty though. If you know how to read people. You can go into a store and tell the tech the truth and he will still swap it for 35 bucks or free if you have the TEP. You may have to go to a few stores and talk to the tech for a few minutes to feel em out. Hell I bricked mine and me and the tech talked for a few minutes about the issues happening wwith the phone and what caused it and he had no problem swapping it out. I paid the 35 bucks and was done with it. As I said. I agree with the taking responsibility cause lord knows this nation could use a morals lesson or two. But aether your honest or you lie there is going to be people that seal these bricks out for free phones. Whether its a nice tech doing a solid or a lying customer. Not to mention the thousands Samsung has probably already bricked looking into it. My grip isn't with telling people to be honest. Its with the arguement that alot of people seem to bring that them lying and that alone will be the reason for price hikes. I know that wasn't what was said here it was just one of those deals where it was the post that caused me to respond.
Take care.

My Note 2 got stolen yesterday

Yes unfortunately my note 2 got stolen at a party and even if I had some kind of tracking app installed it would be useless because they pulled the battery as soon as they took it.
This gave me an idea that some smart developer might take advantage of.
I propose we cook something into the rom's (like carrier IQ) that has the ability to track the location of that phone. Not tied to the mobile number or the sim card but to the phone itself. This way if somebody puts in a different sim the phone can still be tracked and controlled remotely. Also if they do a wipe of the phone, this will still be in there unless they switch roms.
Now this would be a service that is always available but is pay per use.
So if you never have to use it you never have to pay for it, but if your phone gets stolen you pay like $3-$5 to get the location of your phone emailed to you.
Just a thought.
I lost all hope on my phone coming back but I would really like not to experience this again in the future and I don't want anybody else to have to go through this either.

They already have this
Avast security with root features does just about everything
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Cerberus does this too. Doesn't need root, and it even survives factory resets. Alerts you if somebody puts in an unauthorized sim.
Whether or not it would survive a custom rom flash, I don't know (probably wouldn't if the rom wipes /system maybe - I don't know where Cerberus stores itself).
BTW, that sucks that somebody stole your N2. =\

Iirc there's also the Plan B app that's meant to be installed from Google Play in those situations.
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krayzielilsmoki said:
Yes unfortunately my note 2 got stolen at a party and even if I had some kind of tracking app installed it would be useless because they pulled the battery as soon as they took it.
This gave me an idea that some smart developer might take advantage of.
I propose we cook something into the rom's (like carrier IQ) that has the ability to track the location of that phone. Not tied to the mobile number or the sim card but to the phone itself. This way if somebody puts in a different sim the phone can still be tracked and controlled remotely. Also if they do a wipe of the phone, this will still be in there unless they switch roms.
Now this would be a service that is always available but is pay per use.
So if you never have to use it you never have to pay for it, but if your phone gets stolen you pay like $3-$5 to get the location of your phone emailed to you.
Just a thought.
I lost all hope on my phone coming back but I would really like not to experience this again in the future and I don't want anybody else to have to go through this either.
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Bet you just left it lying around at a party....

Call up T-Mobile and have them blacklist the IMEI that way they end up with an expensive paperweight.
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Hgaara said:
Call up T-Mobile and have them blacklist the IMEI that way they end up with an expensive paperweight.
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Hgaara said:
Call up T-Mobile and have them blacklist the IMEI that way they end up with an expensive paperweight.
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Yeah did that, also filed a police report. Also tried the plan b apps but those are mainly for lost phones and not stolen ones where the battery and sim is pulled right away.
I also looked into the cerberus app and I am very impressed, I wish I had this earlier

krayzielilsmoki said:
Yes unfortunately my note 2 got stolen at a party and even if I had some kind of tracking app installed it would be useless because they pulled the battery as soon as they took it.
This gave me an idea that some smart developer might take advantage of.
I propose we cook something into the rom's (like carrier IQ) that has the ability to track the location of that phone. Not tied to the mobile number or the sim card but to the phone itself. This way if somebody puts in a different sim the phone can still be tracked and controlled remotely. Also if they do a wipe of the phone, this will still be in there unless they switch roms.
Now this would be a service that is always available but is pay per use.
So if you never have to use it you never have to pay for it, but if your phone gets stolen you pay like $3-$5 to get the location of your phone emailed to you.
Just a thought.
I lost all hope on my phone coming back but I would really like not to experience this again in the future and I don't want anybody else to have to go through this either.
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That sucks dude. Did you get insurance?

That sucks man. One of the main reasons why I switched to tmo from sprint. Since I have cheaper phones laying around, I just switch them out before I go anywhere I.e a bar etc. That way if I lose (or stolen) anything, itll be something I can live with.
I know with sprint I can swap the esns online but it doesnt work half the time and have to call care to fix it. Sim cards are ingenious.
I recommend everyone have some throw away phones for reasons like this. Or insurance.
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dav1boy said:
That sucks man. One of the main reasons why I switched to tmo from sprint. Since I have cheaper phones laying around, I just switch them out before I go anywhere I.e a bar etc. That way if I lose (or stolen) anything, itll be something I can live with.
I know with sprint I can swap the esns online but it doesnt work half the time and have to call care to fix it. Sim cards are ingenious.
I recommend everyone have some throw away phones for reasons like this. Or insurance.
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Not sure about this one. So you just use your awesome phone when you are at home or at work? I would be lost if I left home without my note 2
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Frankly speaking I have already lost 2 mobile phones..
It feels very odd, n weird...
The most horrifying thoughts are that people might go through all the data, video, pics that u tried so hard to keep a secret...
Seriously v need a better technology here...
Almost every mobile has gps, n now they also have Russian + American GPS installed in our latest mobiles, that really makes me think, every mobile can b theoretically tacked down, no matter watt.. but still v are at mercy of cops n operators...
Developers really need to focus on this idea n boost a total new era...
P.S
I too use tracking apps, but still they are limited.. u can find it if it was lost.. but how do u manage to located it in real time, when u living in high density of population?
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Cerberus app is must have.
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I use aeGis(hoping I could send out the SMS in time to activate it) and on my lock screen I put a little message that says "This phone is equipped with Lojack. It is being tracked via GPS" just hoping that it deters theft.

krayzielilsmoki said:
Yes unfortunately my note 2 got stolen at a party and even if I had some kind of tracking app installed it would be useless because they pulled the battery as soon as they took it.
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Not to sound rude, but seriously how do you know that they pulled the battery and sim immediately? Did you find the battery door sitting on the ground or something? It's not exactly intuitive to pull the battery door on the Note 2.
IMHO I can't help but think that lookout and/or prey could have helped you, or at the very least a lock screen and encrypted FS to protect your data. Still I'm sorry that this happened to you. I know lookout will send a shout out when the battery gets low with its last know location. That along with a lock screen would give you a pretty decent chance of recovering the device. Maybe something to consider for the future.

A Lesson Learned
They have to put the battery in eventually. I use Lookout, and you can wipe all your data from the click of your computer. It also has a lot of locating features. I'm pretty sure I upgraded and paid a little for the app. But it is definitely worth it when it comes to the stuff you keep on your phones now a days. I don't like keeping a pin on mine or the pattern. Too much of a pain personally every time you want to go in your phone. On a side note, NEVER leave your note 2 lying around at a party. It should be in your hands dazzling ALL.

Just a thought, Any app will require a working internet connection before submitting any data/info to their servers.
The device can be easily switched on without sim, wiped and flashed and good to use.
But yes, these apps may help if the one who stole is not smart enough.
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OMG reading all this got me paranoid and just gone ahead and purchased Cerberus and installed it on all my devices !!
So sorry to hear that your phone got stolen. I just hope you find it or somehow claim it on your insurance !! house car work or similar !!!

A coworker had the same thing happen to him at work a couple of years ago.
My group works in a limited access area with badge scanners on the door and cameras watching the doorway.
There were about 15 of us and we were all in a meeting. My coworker had left his phone on his desk. He remembered a few minutes into the meeting and went to grab it. It was gone.
It was clear none of us had taken it since we were all in the meeting together!
Reported it to security who quickly reviewed the CCTV video. A maintenance guy walked in, saw it laying on the desk, and grabbed it. Other cameras showed he immediately (not even 10 steps away) had pulled the battery. He walked straight outside to his vehicle and on the way tossed sim card in trash. I'm sure it was headed for a pawn shop at lunch that day.
My sister had her phone taken in a mall restroom. She was helping her young daughter in the stall and sat her phone on top of the toilet paper dispenser.
Of course she walked off without the phone. She washed up her hands and her daughter and literally got three steps out the door when she realized she didn't have the phone.
It was already gone and there was nobody else in the restroom!
I called the number immediately. Whoever took it answered and simply laughed and taunted us to come find them.
We ended up calling AT&T and having them disable the IMEI number. Never got the phone back.

f4phantomii said:
A coworker had the same thing happen to him at work a couple of years ago.
My group works in a limited access area with badge scanners on the door and cameras watching the doorway.
There were about 15 of us and we were all in a meeting. My coworker had left his phone on his desk. He remembered a few minutes into the meeting and went to grab it. It was gone.
It was clear none of us had taken it since we were all in the meeting together!
Reported it to security who quickly reviewed the CCTV video. A maintenance guy walked in, saw it laying on the desk, and grabbed it. Other cameras showed he immediately (not even 10 steps away) had pulled the battery. He walked straight outside to his vehicle and on the way tossed sim card in trash. I'm sure it was headed for a pawn shop at lunch that day.
My sister had her phone taken in a mall restroom. She was helping her young daughter in the stall and sat her phone on top of the toilet paper dispenser.
Of course she walked off without the phone. She washed up her hands and her daughter and literally got three steps out the door when she realized she didn't have the phone.
It was already gone and there was nobody else in the restroom!
I called the number immediately. Whoever took it answered and simply laughed and taunted us to come find them.
We ended up calling AT&T and having them disable the IMEI number. Never got the phone back.
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That is sad!
Sorry to the OP.

Dropped my GN2...Am I screwed with Asurion?

To the Community:
Does anyone have experience with what happens when you return a rooted device to Asurion?
I dropped my GN2 from 8' onto asphalt and over the course of the next few hours the contusion spread over the display. In the morning the display was completely black and unusable.
I put in a claim with Asurion, paid the $175 and received my new one the next day -- thank you Asurion.
Now when I send my old one back, does anyone know if they'll see it was rooted and charge me a whole lot more money?
If so, should I drive over it a couple of times and really destroy it?
(Hypothetically, of course -- I would never engage in any kind of fraudulent activity...)
Thanks in advance.

You should be just fine, but why not just Odin it to stock real quick. Pull the battery hold volume down, home and power you're in download mode.
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You are returning a broken phone on an insurance claim. I wouldn't bother about it and return the phone as is.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement

i always crush with brick if i had to return a broken phone so no recovery or salvage can be done.

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whatllitbenext said:
To the Community:
Does anyone have experience with what happens when you return a rooted device to Asurion?
I dropped my GN2 from 8' onto asphalt and over the course of the next few hours the contusion spread over the display. In the morning the display was completely black and unusable.
I put in a claim with Asurion, paid the $175 and received my new one the next day -- thank you Asurion.
Now when I send my old one back, does anyone know if they'll see it was rooted and charge me a whole lot more money?
If so, should I drive over it a couple of times and really destroy it?
(Hypothetically, of course -- I would never engage in any kind of fraudulent activity...)
Thanks in advance.
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Your fine, like kintwofan said if your at all worried why not odin back unrooted stock to ease your mind... looks at this program for your pc android screencast...http://code.google.com/p/androidscreencast/

T-Mobile warranty vs insurance.
All 3 of our phones have gone crazy. Our SGSII's lost all signal after updraging them to CM10.1.2. My phone, GSN2 went down when I tried to install tweaked 2.3 from CM10.1 Nightlies, complete brick.
Called tmo about an hour ago. Got my problems taken care of. Mon or Tues I'll have all 3 replaced at no charge. How? Call and talk to Customer Loyalty, not customer service!
Customer Loyalty's whole job is to keep you happy, so bully them into getting what you WANT!

partzman2 said:
All 3 of our phones have gone crazy. Our SGSII's lost all signal after updraging them to CM10.1.2. My phone, GSN2 went down when I tried to install tweaked 2.3 from CM10.1 Nightlies, complete brick.
Called tmo about an hour ago. Got my problems taken care of. Mon or Tues I'll have all 3 replaced at no charge. How? Call and talk to Customer Loyalty, not customer service!
Customer Loyalty's whole job is to keep you happy, so bully them into getting what you WANT!
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That's not cool, you screw up flashing your phone and expect T Mobile to replace it. That's why flashing and rooting voids your warranty. To top off being a douche you bully the customer service reps, such class. You screw up, man up and take responsibility for your actions and pay for your f*** up.
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partzman2 said:
All 3 of our phones have gone crazy. Our SGSII's lost all signal after updraging them to CM10.1.2. My phone, GSN2 went down when I tried to install tweaked 2.3 from CM10.1 Nightlies, complete brick.
Called tmo about an hour ago. Got my problems taken care of. Mon or Tues I'll have all 3 replaced at no charge. How? Call and talk to Customer Loyalty, not customer service!
Customer Loyalty's whole job is to keep you happy, so bully them into getting what you WANT!
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flashing a ROM will NOT brick your phone... this case is whats called User error......... If people dont have the necessary skillset to fix a phone when they muff up . or the decency to pay for there own mistakes. Then for gods sake dont do it buy an iphone

deeznutz1977 said:
flashing a ROM will NOT brick your phone... this case is whats called User error......... If people dont have the necessary skillset to fix a phone when they muff up . or the decency to pay for there own mistakes. Then for gods sake dont do it buy an iphone
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Did I insult you somewhere along the line? To my knowlege, I haven't. I have though, been rooting since the moto backflip, so don't accuse me of things that you have no idea of.
Actually, I do think that I did something wrong when reloading tweaked 2.3 after a lot of lagging, fc's, various crashes and such. Wanted to get everything from the phone, so I wiped everything including the internal card just in case (backed everything up to pc and external sdcard) I also have a long history with t-mobile.
When by talking aggressively to the loyalty agent, he knew the whole story, I told him. On the other 2 phones, I just checked and I had those phones stock, not CM. They lost signal after stock update to C6. Have been checking and I'm seeing posts on losing signal not data, exactly what the sgs2 have been doing.
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That's not cool, you screw up flashing your phone and expect T Mobile to replace it. That's why flashing and rooting voids your warranty. To top off being a douche you bully the customer service reps, such class. You screw up, man up and take responsibility for your actions and pay for your f*** up.
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I don't expect anything in life. 15 months ago I received a liver transplant, and recently overhearing my dr's talking about putting me back on the transplant list. Our moral codes may
differ, but I have to have a phone constantly. ...
Actually I would be on your side before all of the health issues.
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Rhiannon224 said:
That's not cool, you screw up flashing your phone and expect T Mobile to replace it. That's why flashing and rooting voids your warranty. To top off being a douche you bully the customer service reps, such class. You screw up, man up and take responsibility for your actions and pay for your f*** up.
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Actually, I did 'pay' for my mistakes. I paid the $5 each she said it would cost me. Sounds like I did 'pay' for my mistake. When I called I was expecting a bill of $525.00, as that is what is in the insurance papers. I always have my facts straight when I call.
Next time have all the facts, please.

I always love these threads.
"hAlp i broke it"
"just warranty it on the internet bro"
"^what? are you some kind of internet dirt bag or something? you are the reason why we have expensive internet phone bills and why kids starve in china DIAF on the internet"
"bro did i offend you or something on the internet? pretty sure i didn't. no need to go all e warrior and be disrespectful to me on the internet
and furthermore i have a full time job on the internet and have kids on the internet"
Don't feel sorry for getting a one up on cellular networks.... they don't feel sorry for you when they screw you over.

Thats what I dont understand ...
Youre paying X amount of $$ for INSURANCE so use it. Asurion pockets all this money and still ask for a damn deductable. I dont even have a deductable for my Car Insurance.
So if going with the insurance, do whatever you like with your phone.
But, if going through Warranty then be sure its stock as possible.

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Insurance is for messing up no matter what, rooting, bricking, dropping. Warranty not equal insurance

I've done warranty 2x now both rooted with custom rom. Nothing ever said never had a problem. They will send you an email just telling you that they received your broken decide and thank you. Your good
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OP here:
thanks for your replies to my original post everybody.
I love this place. (XDA)

OP did you end up sending back in a way they could see you were rooted? I dropped mine and have to do an asurion claim but i dont want any grief. I pay them enough money and this extra $175.
Also, my phone went swimming in the North Platte River with me drunk one night (the phone was drunk, not me) in a seperate incident, is that going to matter?
Last question, will I get a phone faster if I say this one doesnt work?

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OP did you end up sending back in a way they could see you were rooted? I dropped mine and have to do an asurion claim but i dont want any grief. I pay them enough money and this extra $175.
Also, my phone went swimming in the North Platte River with me drunk one night (the phone was drunk, not me) in a seperate incident, is that going to matter?
Last question, will I get a phone faster if I say this one doesnt work?
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Asurion doesn't care.
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