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Wimax to lte

Do y'all think when LTE comes over to sprint that we can switch over from wimax to LTE?
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Not being a smartass, but only if it is in your area and you upgrade your phone.

Its cool..I was talking about as in change them out some how... devs do all types of things....just wanted to kno was it impossible
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kingcaliyone said:
Do y'all think when LTE comes over to sprint that we can switch over from wimax to LTE?
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Craig L and Ed Bay are working on swapping the modems.

sfhub said:
Craig L and Ed Bay are working on swapping the modems.
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If it were that simple, sprint would have done it already and used it as a selling point and to extend the life of the phone
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I just wanna see if it can b done
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Craig L and Ed Bay are working on swapping the modems.
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Nice.
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More realistically if enough ppl complained maybe we can get sprint to give us a free upgrade to an LTE device

By the time LTE actually comes to your area, you'll probably be eligible for an upgrade anyway.
And why would you get a free upgrade? It's not like the WiMAX service is being shut down or anything.

There are theories, but nothing confirmed yet.

psych2l said:
More realistically if enough ppl complained maybe we can get sprint to give us a free upgrade to an LTE device
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I called Sprint when the news that they were ending WiMax came out and they said that if I did not have 4G in my area they would allow me an earlier upgrade to an LTE phone with no penalties.
I had to push them for a while and escalate and bedazzle them with logic, but it worked.
But it was all for nothing since my phone will be put up for sale May 7th.

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I just wanna see if it can b done
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No. Need new hardware, hence new device.
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Our processors can't handle lte
Hence the reason tmo gs2 and att skyrocket has a different processor
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gtuansdiamm said:
Our processors can't handle lte
Hence the reason tmo gs2 and att skyrocket has a different processor
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Precessors have nothing to do with it. The problem is with the antennas. We simply do not have the hardware for lte.

Nah, he is right about the Exynos. I forgot about it. We did hear it may be possible with a software reprogram. Still looking to confirm.

The Root said:
Nah, he is right about the Exynos. I forgot about it. We did hear it may be possible with a software reprogram. Still looking to confirm.
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By "we" you mean sprint employees? They told me at my local store it was not possible. That was a couple months ago. Have things changed? That would be awesome.

meatwadathf said:
By "we" you mean sprint employees? They told me at my local store it was not possible. That was a couple months ago. Have things changed? That would be awesome.
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We as in ACS. We were in touch with a reliable source that I'd prefer not to name the origin of.

A few things...
LTE and WIMAX do require 2 different radios so if you wanted your device to switch between them it would have to have both radios built in.
Wimax is not going away anytime soon because we announced a new hotspot device which houses all of our radios aka "quadband".
Just a question; Why is complaining ever a solution? Technology moves like water. You jump in knowing that there is newer and better just up stream of you. Retail some how gives people a sence of entitlment which baffles me. You buy a car, do you complain the next year and say "well now there is a 2013 modle with x,y,z in it so I should get it for free".... just silly, baby town frolics even.

Gorguts said:
LTE and WIMAX do require 2 different radios so if you wanted your device to switch between them it would have to have both radios built in.
Wimax is not going away anytime soon because we announced a new hotspot device which houses all of our radios aka "quadband".
Just a question; Why is complaining ever a solution? Technology moves like water. You jump in knowing that there is newer and better just up stream of you. Retail some how gives people a sence of entitlment which baffles me. You buy a car, do you complain the next year and say "well now there is a 2013 modle with x,y,z in it so I should get it for free".... just silly, baby town frolics even.
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I kinda agree with what you're saying... I think what people are having an issue with is that they are stuck in contract with a non-lte phone. If you had to pay 5 times for that newer model car than what a new customer would pay, I bet you would be pretty upset too. I just hope my upgrade timing plays out perfectly to when lte is coming to chicago. That would be awesome.

On that meeting they had about network vision they did say about making lte work under Wimax or something like that I may be wrong thoe
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What's the next LTE Android phone for T-Mobile?

I was thinking of getting another phone soon to replace my crappy Sensation and from my brief research, the GS3 may or may not have it in the hardware to support T-Mobile's upcoming LTE network. With the One X+ cancelled, am I only left with the GNote 2? I'm really not trying to carry that big of a phone around . Will there be any announcements by T-Mobile in the upcoming months to release phones for the holiday season? I'm keeping my fingers crossed . Thanks in advance for any insight or details.

The T-Mobile S3 will NOT connect to their future LTE network. The Note 2 probably won't either. Their LTE network is even close to ready to begin rolling out.
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The note 2 is the closest one to get lte it pass by fcc by 1900aws and 700(Verizon band), they were rumors of tmobile making arrangements with Verizon so we probably get it then (if you have a supported device) having said that I don't worry I get up to 24 mbps on tmobile and love it, I use 20GB last month with unlimited so ain't going anywhere for a while
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I get about 10-13 Mbps download with my S3 and it's more then suffice. While I'm sure it's be nice to be able to download at LTE speeds, I don't see the "necessity" of it.
I'm perfectly happy with my S3.

The Note II for T-Mobile has 700/1700 MHz bands for LTE.
T-Mobile Galaxy Note II Passes Through The FCC, Is Future Proofed With LTE

The s4
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Title should be changed to, what's T-Mobile's first lte phone? lol
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Teo032 said:
Title should be changed to, what's T-Mobile's first lte phone? lol
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Teo032 said:
Title should be changed to, what's T-Mobile's first lte phone? lol
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The note 2, maybe read the OP next time.

psykhotic said:
The note 2, maybe read the OP next time.
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Maybe you should give that quote another read...take your time.
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The note 2, maybe read the OP next time.
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Lol this guy, too funny
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uoY_redruM said:
I get about 10-13 Mbps download with my S3 and it's more then suffice. While I'm sure it's be nice to be able to download at LTE speeds, I don't see the "necessity" of it.
I'm perfectly happy with my S3.
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I couldn't agree more. I've seen very impressive speeds from 4G on SGS3... While I'm sure getting 30-60 mbps down (seems average on other LTE networks) is really cool, its more of a signature spec - or bragging spec... 10mbps+ on 4G is plenty fast for me, especially considering I've been using an iPhone on T-mobile for years stuck on 2G EDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4G is like LUDACRIS SPEED for me (anyone? spaceballs? anyone???)

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I couldn't agree more. I've seen very impressive speeds from 4G on SGS3... While I'm sure getting 30-60 mbps down (seems average on other LTE networks) is really cool, its more of a signature spec - or bragging spec... 10mbps+ on 4G is plenty fast for me, especially considering I've been using an iPhone on T-mobile for years stuck on 2G EDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4G is like LUDACRIS SPEED for me (anyone? spaceballs? anyone???)
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+2 i always tell people that the difference isn't that much when most of the stuff we use it for isn't are all small stuff... besides Roms. And even with that the difference is probably a couple second
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On Verizon's LTE, I pulled on average 15-25mbps. It peaked out at about 30. On T-Mobile's Faux-G, I pull on average 10-20 mbps. I peak out at about 25.
LTE is not noticeably better in any way other than speed tests. Latency had been about 100ms for both as well. Primary difference had been LTE outages on Verizon seemed to last 12-72 hours whereas HSPA+ outages on T-Mobile seem to last 30-600 seconds.
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Just in case you guys dont know, the Note 2 WILL support lte for tmo here is the source..
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/09/t-mobile-galaxy-note-ii-passes-through-the-fcc-is-future-proofed-with-lte/

S3 it is. I've seen some hovering around $350 in my area so that will do. I just can't stand this HTC Sensation and the reboots any longer. Thanks all for the replies.

nuron said:
S3 it is. I've seen some hovering around $350 in my area so that will do. I just can't stand this HTC Sensation and the reboots any longer. Thanks all for the replies.
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You have to be careful. If they're going to file an insurance claim on it. Your phone will be blacklisted
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Araltd said:
I couldn't agree more. I've seen very impressive speeds from 4G on SGS3... While I'm sure getting 30-60 mbps down (seems average on other LTE networks) is really cool, its more of a signature spec - or bragging spec... 10mbps+ on 4G is plenty fast for me, especially considering I've been using an iPhone on T-mobile for years stuck on 2G EDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4G is like LUDACRIS SPEED for me (anyone? spaceballs? anyone???)
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30-60 is average? I've never seen anyone around here go faster than 22 mbps and in that context, my GS3 gets 15-16. The difference isn't very large at all.

First of all don't get T-mobile their HSPA+ Network gives me 0-0.50Mbs around all Brooklyn, even if signal is below -60dBm

Teo032 said:
You have to be careful. If they're going to file an insurance claim on it. Your phone will be blacklisted
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Any way to prevent this from happening? Make a phone call before buying? Call tmob customer service?
By the way, since the Note 2 will be coming out by the end of this month or maybe early November, I think a lot of people will try to dump their GS3 to upgrade. Will craigslist prices lower? I'm seeing 300-350 on average right now.

GS3 Tmobile LTE capable?

So I was in a tmobile store today and was told that both the note II and Gs3 will receive a software patch to enable the lte radio. Asked the question like 10 different ways as I've read online that the gs3 will NOT be let cab able.
the internal phone workings are a little above my head...but i was told that the tmobile sg3 is the same as say the att model which does have the lte radio,
So, does that sound right that the SG3 is future proof and will be able to enable LTE?

androidcactus said:
So I was in a tmobile store today and was told that both the note II and Gs3 will receive a software patch to enable the lte radio. Asked the question like 10 different ways as I've read online that the gs3 will NOT be let cab able.
the internal phone workings are a little above my head...but i was told that the tmobile sg3 is the same as say the att model which does have the lte radio,
So, does that sound right that the SG3 is future proof and will be able to enable LTE?
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The question I should have asked is if they are shipping different GS3's for tmobile now? But regardless they were so confident that it will (LTE) be enabled...wanted to ask the experts thx

androidcactus said:
The question I should have asked is if they are shipping different GS3's for tmobile now? But regardless they were so confident that it will (LTE) be enabled...wanted to ask the experts thx
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when i worked at t mobile we were told that the galaxy s3 for t mobile has LTE radios, and that the device will support the LTE rollout. this was straight from corporate.
BOOM :highfive:

cobraboy85 said:
when i worked at t mobile we were told that the galaxy s3 for t mobile has LTE radios, and that the device will support the LTE rollout. this was straight from corporate.
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and that was from day 1? Obviously there has been debate about this on this forum and people much smarter than I have agued that it will never get LTE...
do you remember if there is something that has to be enabled? Or if say where I live they activate the LTE tower, boom it will work?

Its been a while so I dont remember the details, but I am convinced that
1. We will NOTget LTE one our GS3.
2. It doesn't really matter. By the time the majority of us get LTE in our market, we will have moved on to an even better phone! Also, most of us will get hspa+42 soon which for now is more than sufficient for almost everyones needs.
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DocHoliday77 said:
Its been a while so I dont remember the details, but I am convinced that
1. We will NOTget LTE one our GS3.
2. It doesn't really matter. By the time the majority of us get LTE in our market, we will have moved on to an even better phone! Also, most of us will get hspa+42 soon which for now is more than sufficient for almost everyones needs.
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I think these threads need to be shut down. There are a number of other threads exactly like this that holds the correct information. Thanks Doc

I agree with Doc, we'll probably be on better phones by the time we have decent LTE reception -- and I'm happy enough with the DC-HSPA+ modem.
IMHO, they will likely release a Galaxy S3 [4G] LTE as an interm between the S3 and the S4. WRT LTE, all I know is what I see on Wikipedia's snapdragon article. Which isn't very clear on details. Also numerous MSM8960 phones /w LTE exist but do we even know if it's on die, let along bothering to crack open an AT&T and T-Mobile GS3 for a little hardware compare?

So afye reading this I have a question.... if you guys are saying that our phones arent capable then why on my phone (running frosty jb v7) are there 2 system apps called LTESettings.apk and LTETest.apk??? Are these not for our phone and are just ther e due to it being a port? And if so can I safely remove them so they are taking away ram and battery? Thanks in advanced
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rawdaddymagraden said:
So afye reading this I have a question.... if you guys are saying that our phones arent capable then why on my phone (running frosty jb v7) are there 2 system apps called LTESettings.apk and LTETest.apk??? Are these not for our phone and are just ther e due to it being a port? And if so can I safely remove them so they are taking away ram and battery? Thanks in advanced
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They serve no purpose to our devices so yes you can remove them. Just in case, make a backup first. Like move them to memory card or something.
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elesbb said:
They serve no purpose to our devices so yes you can remove them. Just in case, make a backup first. Like move them to memory card or something.
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Thanks I did so w/o issues
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By the time lte does roll out... The galaxy s4 will be out and most of us will switch to it. And I'm pretty sure the s4 will support lte
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Crisisx1 said:
By the time lte does roll out... The galaxy s4 will be out and most of us will switch to it. And I'm pretty sure the s4 will support lte
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It is dependent upon wether we have the hardware included I believe.
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rawdaddymagraden said:
It is dependent upon wether we have the hardware included I believe.
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Samsung would only fail if they didn't include lte hardware in the new galaxy s4 especially because it's being released after tmobile starts rolling out lte which is February 2013
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Maybe I am the only one. LTE is not very efficient. I am happy with 3g+++.Tmo 3g super sized is a very good system. My company provided LTE hot spot sucks bandwidth like no other. Be careful what you ask for.

[Q] 4G LTE compatibility?

I just saw in Miami that we're getting 4G LTE today and want to know if it's compatible with the T989 s2?
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No. We don't have the right hardware needed.
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android88 said:
No. We don't have the right hardware needed.
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Wonder why we have lte settings in network preferred and toggles on some roms? Then if you flash back to a gb rom the secret menu has settings for lte too. Don"t know myself though.
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android88 said:
No. We don't have the right hardware needed.
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Well that sux...so when they say they are bringing it to 200 million people this year it must be people without a contract so they could get a new phone doesn't make sense to me....according to a tmo rep it will be but I don't trust their knowledge....
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richardlibeau said:
Wonder why we have lte settings in network preferred and toggles on some roms? Then if you flash back to a gb rom the secret menu has settings for lte too. Don"t know myself though.
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Unless Tmo planned for 1.5 years ahead when they launched the Herc, I doubt we have the right hardware. Hopefully it does have support and Tmo did plan for the future but they're keeping it a secret . Because when they build the source for a ROM, they don't take out individual little things for certain devices.
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android88 said:
Unless Tmo planned for 1.5 years ahead when they launched the Herc, I doubt we have the right hardware. Hopefully it does have support and Tmo did plan for the future but they're keeping it a secret . Because when they build the source for a ROM, they don't take out individual little things for certain devices.
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I guess only time will tell.
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I guess only time will tell.
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Don't get your hopes up. I think the S3 and Note 2 are the only ones that are capable at the moment and they will need a software upgrade to unlock it.
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richardlibeau said:
Wonder why we have lte settings in network preferred and toggles on some roms? Then if you flash back to a gb rom the secret menu has settings for lte too. Don"t know myself though.
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Because firmwares are made by Samsung and the skyrocket has lte. The firmwares are designed for simplicity. Meaning, Samsung only has to make one firmware for all variants. That's why that option is there.
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elesbb said:
Because firmwares are made by Samsung and the skyrocket has lte. The firmwares are designed for simplicity. Meaning, Samsung only has to make one firmware for all variants. That's why that option is there.
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Thanks didn't know that one. Know alot about phones but didn't think about that.
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richardlibeau said:
Thanks didn't know that one. Know alot about phones but didn't think about that.
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We all learn something new every day (Thank god or else i'd go bored xD )

corwest said:
Don't get your hopes up. I think the S3 and Note 2 are the only ones that are capable at the moment and they will need a software upgrade to unlock it.
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Actually the T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S III (SGH-T999) is NOT capable of it period. I have one. But i did read rumors that they may be making another S3, one with the exact same specs, but adding an LTE capable chip. T-Mobile went on the cheap side with their S3 and used the same chip as the ATT and other variants, but cut out the LTE capabilities. Kinda dumb but hey im not the CEO. lol.
But you are right, the Note 2 just needs a firmware update to enable LTE, also, the only other phone capable of T-Mobile LTE is the Windows Phone 8X.

elesbb said:
Actually the T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S III (SGH-T999) is NOT capable of it period. I have one. But i did read rumors that they may be making another S3, one with the exact same specs, but adding an LTE capable chip. T-Mobile went on the cheap side with their S3 and used the same chip as the ATT and other variants, but cut out the LTE capabilities. Kinda dumb but hey im not the CEO. lol.
But you are right, the Note 2 just needs a firmware update to enable LTE, also, the only other phone capable of T-Mobile LTE is the Windows Phone 8X.
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So like I said then it's stupid for T-Mobile to say they are bringing lte to 200 million customers this year when most of them won't be able to use it...I'm under contract till March 2014 so I won't be able to use it till then...that's bs....unless they give me a new phone.....NOT....
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So like I said then it's stupid for T-Mobile to say they are bringing lte to 200 million customers this year when most of them won't be able to use it...I'm under contract till March 2014 so I won't be able to use it till then...that's bs....unless they give me a new phone.....NOT....
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Yeah I feel you.. it is bull. But then again neither sprint nor Verizon have existing contracts holders an lte device when they rolled it out. Guess that's just how it goes.
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i dont think the s2 is LTE compatible.

Tmobile launched GS3 LTE Yesterday

I thought I will just add this here.. Maybe people will stop making new threads about LTE on our GS3.
Now we need to see if its the same hardware as ours and maybe combine a this forum with it.
Here is the news

Thought there was a thread on the new phone already.
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Thought there was a thread on the new phone already.
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I must have missed it because I dont see it.

Why get the s3 when the s4 is available? Or am I missing something here?
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Why get the s3 when the s4 is available? Or am I missing something here?
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Money I guess. My friend bought the s3 today cause it was 30 dollars and the s4 was 200 on Sprint but he didn't want to pay that much.
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I think it's dumb overall but to each their own.
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I think it's dumb overall but to each their own.
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I agree. Glad we have choice and not stuck with just one . I love my sgs3. There are days I wish there was more I could do but for the most part it functions as it should and im not ready to fork out more money for a slightly updgraded version of this one. By slightly I mean "in my opinion" . Don't get all technical with me because I'm aware of the spec differences. If my phone isn't dead by next year around the holidays or even after that is consider seeing what's available. Sgs6 or even whatever the future holds.
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Im kinda waiting for the Note 3 to comes out. That would have more features than that GS4. I think that should be a nice upgrade from my GS3. But then again T-Mobile did it again like they did with the Vibrant, I am not sure if this version of the S3 will have a lower memory or it will be the same as this just lte added.
The vibrant was a good phone and tmobile sacrificed that 16GB memory for that FFC when the Galaxy S 4G came out

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Im kinda waiting for the Note 3 to comes out. That would have more features than that GS4. I think that should be a nice upgrade from my GS3. But then again T-Mobile did it again like they did with the Vibrant, I am not sure if this version of the S3 will have a lower memory or it will be the same as this just lte added.
The vibrant was a good phone and tmobile sacrificed that 16GB memory for that FFC when the Galaxy S 4G came out
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Don't forget T-Mobile also abandoned the Vibrant when they released the 'better' version. We got stuck with Froyo officially. The very same could happen once more with us. There is a possibility that MD5 could be their last update for the non-LTE GS3. I seriously hope they don't forget the millions that bought the non-LTE GS3 as they did with the Vibrant.
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nirogu325 said:
Don't forget T-Mobile also abandoned the Vibrant when they released the 'better' version. We got stuck with Froyo officially. The very same could happen once more with us. There is a possibility that MD5 could be their last update for the non-LTE GS3. I seriously hope they don't forget the millions that bought the non-LTE GS3 as they did with the Vibrant.
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That's not gonna be the case, and if it is the case we will get a version of it with custom roms. We'll get 4.2 around August-September (just a guess)
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Don't forget T-Mobile also abandoned the Vibrant when they released the 'better' version. We got stuck with Froyo officially. The very same could happen once more with us. There is a possibility that MD5 could be their last update for the non-LTE GS3. I seriously hope they don't forget the millions that bought the non-LTE GS3 as they did with the Vibrant.
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Yeah but bottom line is even if they decide to ditch this version of the updates I think it would be a lot easier to port it from the GS3 with lte! Even thought I dont think that Samsung will make a 100% different hardware of the one with LTE. Look at it this way. Even though AT&T. SPRINT, VERIZON have LTE GS3's and we can port roms from them. Or maybe tmobile will release the update to both devices

I doubt you have to worry bout getting keft out of the update loop. I'm guessing they will be virtually identical except for modems and drivers.
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Pointless to go on endless speculation on what Tmobile and Samsung are going to do just wait and see. I think by the time we have 4.2, 4.3 might be out then people will be whining about getting that one.
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Not gonna get this I'm happy with my sgs3. Probably one of the best phones I've had. If they do have a note 3 in the works I'll hold out for that.

So curious if anyonenhere has actually bought the Lte version.
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DocHoliday77 said:
I doubt you have to worry bout getting keft out of the update loop. I'm guessing they will be virtually identical except for modems and drivers.
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Corrent I believe this new LTE GS3 will be the same exact phone... We should be good in porting roms from it just like Verizon, Sprint. And since is the same phone I wonder if we can flash radios from it too. Just like on the Hercules days when we could flash radios even from the Blaze 4G

I don't get why they would do this, T-Mobile or Samsung. Just release an S III version with hardware capabilities for LTE??? Just money hungry? Why do people get so worried about it? With HSPA+ I get 25 mb down, it's no 50 but on my phone I won't recognize the difference in loading web pages, or anything... My WiFi is 38mb down on my phone I tested both WiFi and Cell Data, no difference in loading a web page, maybe .5 seconds or 1 second, but is that what people are worried about? Seems so minuscule to me. Yet, there are about 20 threads on LTE and this phone, and an official thread with 13 pages.... and some of that cleaned out I'm sure, because people get so angry over the subject. Just boggles my mind, am I missing something here?

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I don't get why they would do this, T-Mobile or Samsung. Just release an S III version with hardware capabilities for LTE??? Just money hungry? Why do people get so worried about it? With HSPA+ I get 25 mb down, it's no 50 but on my phone I won't recognize the difference in loading web pages, or anything... My WiFi is 38mb down on my phone I tested both WiFi and Cell Data, no difference in loading a web page, maybe .5 seconds or 1 second, but is that what people are worried about? Seems so minuscule to me. Yet, there are about 20 threads on LTE and this phone, and an official thread with 13 pages.... and some of that cleaned out I'm sure, because people get so angry over the subject. Just boggles my mind, am I missing something here?
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You're not missing anything. I completely share your feelings in this. When I owned the nexus 4 there were threads all about this also when a Google update disabled late on the nexus 4. People were all up in arms about it. Then after they found a way around it complained about battery life. We have become an instant society. If people perceive that late will get them something faster then they'll think they "need " it. I'm on WiFi 99% of the time. And when I am out of range my 4g is just as fast.
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This thread was not about actually LTE. I have seen so many threads about LTE on this model of the gs3. I been telling em about this new model that tmobile has said it will come when they had that iphone conference. And I know what u mean there were a lot of lte threads. In my opinion i am not going to jump ship because of the lte. I can careless with it now that I have tested it with a att gs3 with a friend and I was getting better speeds than him. Maybe people just need to move on and next time u buy a phone they will be lte enable.. But again I don't know if tmobile pay less for these gs3 without lte in it. Its all about money. Just like some carriers prefer you pay another $500 for a phone that will have a minor update. Like for instance the vibrant and the galaxy s 4G. They said that the vibrant was not a 4G phone. They both had the same speeds in my experience that vibrant ran HSPA+ just like tmobiles so call 4G its HSPA+ so no difference there. Although for me the vibrant was a lot better. One thing though I wish is that I ne of these days tmobile will say that they will start saling none carrier branded phones. And there won't be a difference between the ones in the us and the ones international.

i like the idea