Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
scmlee said:
Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
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I could be wrong, but I believe they increased the size of the screen and reduced the size of the bezel, so it would be roughly the same size.
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scmlee said:
Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
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I have the Note (16:10) @ 5.3" and also the GS3 (16:9) @ 4.8". The Note's screen is substantially larger in width and height. Viewing web pages and reading, the Note is definitely easier. But while viewing movies or video clips, the 16:10 on the Note actually isn't that much bigger than the GS3. The "black bars" from the aspect ratio actually wastes the view space on the screen. So with a larger screen 5.55" on the Note 2 you will definitely have a better experience watching videos. And as for using the S pen to write with, you shouldn't worry about that at all. If you ever compared the dimensions between the Note and Note 2, the size is very negligible. My GS3 is my daily driver and I've handed the Note to my dad because the camera performance is much faster on the GS3. But once the Note 2 is out, I will be back on it.
Very minimal difference. The biggest changes are: Note 2 is narrower by close to 3mm, but taller by 4.25mm. I'll take the skinner taller chick any day
Note vs Note 2 Dimension
NOTE 1: 146.85 (H) x 82.95 (W) x 9.65 mm (D), 178g
NOTE 2: 151.10 (H) x 80.50 (W) x 9.40 mm (D), 182.5g
Check out the specs:
NOTE Original
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find
NOTE 2
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/spec.html?type=find
deliriousbb said:
I have the Note (16:10) @ 5.3" and also the GS3 (16:9) @ 4.8". The Note's screen is substantially larger in width and height. Viewing web pages and reading, the Note is definitely easier. But while viewing movies or video clips, the 16:10 on the Note actually isn't that much bigger than the GS3. The "black bars" from the aspect ratio actually wastes the view space on the screen. So with a larger screen 5.55" on the Note 2 you will definitely have a better experience watching videos. And as for using the S pen to write with, you shouldn't worry about that at all. If you ever compared the dimensions between the Note and Note 2, the size is very negligible. My GS3 is my daily driver and I've handed the Note to my dad because the camera performance is much faster on the GS3. But once the Note 2 is out, I will be back on it.
Very minimal difference. The biggest changes are: Note 2 is narrower by close to 3mm, but taller by 4.25mm. I'll take the skinner taller chick any day
Note vs Note 2 Dimension
NOTE 1: 146.85 (H) x 82.95 (W) x 9.65 mm (D), 178g
NOTE 2: 151.10 (H) x 80.50 (W) x 9.40 mm (D), 182.5g
Check out the specs:
NOTE Original
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find
NOTE 2
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/spec.html?type=find
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I have a similar concern, but it doesn't relate to viewing movies or video clips. My question is more around keyboard input for texting, emails, etc. My question is more around how much LESS WIDE is the screen of the Note II, versus that of the Note I. For my aging eyes, the wider the virtual keyboard in portrait mode, the better. So, I'm not at all concerned with the outer dimensions of the Note I and II -- I'm more interested in how much the usable screen's width decreases from the Note I to the Note II. Anybody got any info in this area? Thanks in advance for your replies.
Good comparison site for sizes of both displays
http://www.displaywars.com/5,5-inch-16x9-vs-5,3-inch-16x10
Portrait width is .1" narrower but .3" taller on the Note II. They also list diagonal sizes at the various aspect ratios.
Asquared said:
I have a similar concern, but it doesn't relate to viewing movies or video clips. My question is more around keyboard input for texting, emails, etc. My question is more around how much LESS WIDE is the screen of the Note II, versus that of the Note I. For my aging eyes, the wider the virtual keyboard in portrait mode, the better. So, I'm not at all concerned with the outer dimensions of the Note I and II -- I'm more interested in how much the usable screen's width decreases from the Note I to the Note II. Anybody got any info in this area? Thanks in advance for your replies.
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If you check the specs of the width, it is only 3mm wider, but yet the Note2 practically is all screen from bezel to bezel. You basically have an additional 6.28mm of diagonal screen space to work with. Again, I don't think you need to worry about the width and how it will effect your typing. It is negligible. 4.79 inches vs. 4.49 inches
Plus the latest keyboards from swype uses all of the width space and is very easy to type with even with the smaller GS3 screen.
Because the screen is taller, the change in physical width of the screen is very small, around 2.5mm.
There is a loss of 80 pixels from the sides but the remaining pixels are larger than on the note 1 to make up for the loss of the 80.
So physically there is just almost the same amount of room for the pen to move as on the note 1. Also I expect the keyboard buttons to be the same size, just maybe the resolution of the text will be less.
Sorry to resurrect an old discussion, but just wanted to chip in!
I had the Note 1 for 11 months and Note 2 LTE for 3 weeks and of course I'm loving it!
Just to point out, the results from that displaywars website are "rotated". i.e. width should be height and vice versa
It shows that the Note 2 is 0.3 inches taller and 0.11 inches thinner.
I must say I notice the "loss" of width in screen real estate. Although the Note 2 feels better in the hand. It could just be I'm used to the original Note.
They say how films are better on the Note 2 because of the 16:9 ratio but in my experience most modern films are being presented in the 2.39:1 ratio so I still get the black bars on the top and bottom. EDIT: However, TV shows are in 16:9 so are full screen.
Just my two cents!
Been wondering about this myself. I have a note 1.
Would the square inch space / size of the screen be higher on the 1? I did read ½ of the thread.
dhar8062 said:
Sorry to resurrect an old discussion, but just wanted to chip in!
I had the Note 1 for 11 months and Note 2 LTE for 3 weeks and of course I'm loving it!
Just to point out, the results from that displaywars website are "rotated". i.e. width should be height and vice versa
It shows that the Note 2 is 0.3 inches taller and 0.11 inches thinner.
I must say I notice the "loss" of width in screen real estate. Although the Note 2 feels better in the hand. It could just be I'm used to the original Note.
They say how films are better on the Note 2 because of the 16:9 ratio but in my experience most modern films are being presented in the 2.39:1 ratio so I still get the black bars on the top and bottom. EDIT: However, TV shows are in 16:9 so are full screen.
Just my two cents!
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sure most movies are 2.4:1, but you also need to factor in that it means that on the note 1, you lose even more rows of pixels compared to the note 2, so movies will still be better on the note 2 because the black bars will be narrower.
and i find my note 2 to be sharper than my note 1. even though its missing 80 rows of pixels, it ends up being sharper because it has a full subpixel matrix, which means that despite having 80 rows of pixels less, it still ends up with 30% more subpixels, which makes it better overall in my books.
all blurry
I have a problem my galaxy note 2, I think the loss of resolution to 1280x720 left the icons and letters all blurry, while the galaxy note 1 to define the icons and letters were much better. this is a hardware issue or software?
i've had the Galaxy S3 for a while and the screen was pretty good, with the HTC One X's screen beating it by a little amount only because i dont like how LCD's blacks aren't pitch black (off). But the colors definitely beat the GS3's. I heard LG's True HD IPS is even better than those but i'm wondering how much better than the Notes new Samoled where they pretty much get rid of Pentile? Will the new LG Nexus display be that much better or how about HTC's sharp 1080P display coming out? If the difference is minimum i rather settle for Samsung. Aslo, have they taken care of the low brightness whites? because they were very grainy and gray on my Galaxy Nexus
I just tested a Note II today in a shop. The screen looked great but I am a bit concerned that on full brightness it was less bright than my Galaxy S II and the whites looked very greyish.
there are at least two threads already existing covering this topic, please search!
in short: it's again the luck of the draw. had 3 note2 devices so far, one display was terrible (yellow tint),
the other two had pixel faults and/or dust particles between the outer glas and the panel!
my 4th device will arrive tomorrow (from amazon.de), let's look how that one will be...
i have to mention that most people are not aware of these flaws, especially about the tint. it's because
they have no other note2 devices to compare, or they do not care as much as i am!
if i pay 600EUR for a device, i want to have a perfect screen!
My note 2 screen appears to be blurry as compared to my note 1 altough rich colors.
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Maybe you have a bad screen. Because comparing to my dad's note 1, the note 2 screen is clearly better.
Also mines quite crisp for an amoled
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Yes, note 2 got lower ppi than note 1 and the screen blur pixels together
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Yes, note 2 got lower ppi than note 1 and the screen blur pixels together
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that doesnt really explain it. note 2 may have lower pixel density, but it makes up for it with an overall higher subpixel density, which is the reason why our note 2 screens are sharper than our note 1 screens. theres less blurring of pixels because of the full rgb matrix on the note 2 compared to the pentile display of the note 1 where adjacent subpixels were borrowed.
pls help me to fixed my blurry screen samsung galaxy note II. i dropped in water of stlesst 4 sec. snd when i turn on blurred
Most of us know by now the limitations of Producing AMOLED Displays for devices such as the Galaxy S, S2, Note 1, S3, and Note 2. All of these devices share the same screen-technology. There is always praise for OLED, but the technology is still pre-mature; that is why when you look at your display in the dark, you come across something called, the Mura Effect. Some folks claim they don't have it on their AMOLED displays. However, all AMOLED displays have this limitation. Obviously, Samsung doesn't want to tell you this. Some might then consider their phone to be defective, whereas some won't.. There is some degree as to how much Mura Effect your display has. Some displays have the Mura Effect in the form of black lines, / blotches, & dots, and some will have them in the form of faint stains, which can only be looked upon when viewed closely in the dark.
From my understanding, the Mura Effect occurs due to the way the display is aligned with the TFT. AMOLED displays are assembled in two layers, the OLED film on top, and the transistor plane below. Due to limitations of the manufacturing process, it is very difficult to get both layers aligned correctly & perfectly to produce a uniform, seamless, display; note that AMOLED displays are very thin. The contacts of the transistors which power the OLED screen are not 100% set on our displays. Therefore, problems begin to stir when you bring the brightness down to the minimum level; insufficient voltage prevents all the pixels on your AMOLED display to light uniformly. That's why brightness unformity issues are very common in AMOLED Displays as well. Voltage is too low at low brightness to get flawless picture quality. The low voltage at low brightness is too low to power all the pixels effectively in our displays. This explains why the Mura Effect shows.
I've made some interesting observations on the past AMOLED display's I've dealt with in the past.
1). In Displays which do not consist of black lines and blotches, but do consist of blocks of faint black stains entailing the Mura Effect; and faint horizontal lines (which become more prominent overtime), burn-in faster, and brightness uniformity issues, become quickly apparent in these particular displays. Colors are warmer compared to the contrary. Some yellowish tint / pink hue is also to be spotted.
2). Whereas, in displays which do display their Mura Effect in the form of lines of little blotches / dots, tend to have a better color reproduction & brightness uniformity, and do not show faint horizontal lines quickly overtime; though they eventually do due to the organic (half-life) nature of OLED's. Yellowish-tint is rarely found. However, blue-tint is more apparent on displays with this degree of Mura Effect.
[Note: Yellowish tint is not the result of glue (common in LCDs); the Yellow tint is a calibration issue, and though sometimes kernel / software updates may resolve the issue, the yellow tint is not completely gone].
My ultimate question is, does the kind of Mura Effect on the AMOLED screen on each Note 2 unit manufacture thus far determine the life expectancy of the display itself? What about the formation of dead pixels? Do dead pixels (due to low-voltage effect) form frequently depending on the extent of Mura Effect on our displays? If my display for instance has black lines / blotches / dots, does that increase my chances of living with a dud phone?
Similarly explained in the following thread from last week,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36908128
The AMOLED Displays use an "Active-Matrix" compared to standard OLED's in today's flag ship televisions which do not have an Active Matrix.
In AMOLED, as a result of continuous low voltage that is being fed into OLED via the TFT even in the lowest brightness, the blacks won't be necessarily black.
Every Note 2 has the Mura Effect like in previous Galaxy Devices. However, the manufacturing process has slightly improved, but not to the extent we all would like it to be.
Unfortunately, I don't consider our displays to feature local dimming, because individual pixels do not actually turn off. Blacks are not blacks, as a result of the varying voltage.
Although there are improvements to the AMOLED display as explained here,
http://www.ignisinnovation.com/technology/ignis-technology-overview/ignis-admo-p-technology
Unfortunately, even though the solution provided in the above link by ignisinnovation has been in the market for a couple of years already, Samsung does not employ these kind of standards, therefore every AMOLED display has the Mura effect but in varying degrees such as in the form of stains, lines, blobs, dots, and splothces. This can also affect the display output when it comes to uniformity because the TFT is solely responsible for the luminescence of individual sub-pixels on the OLED film.
The AMOLED displays are improved with compensation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctA114zaY98
When I say manufacturing has gotten better, I meant that Samsung's method of making slightly better AMOLED displays has been accomplished by changing the voltage and better quality control handling.
The material has been slightly improved; the material used on today's AMOLED displays is purer than let's say the material that was used on the S2 and Note 1.
Let's hope that future AMOLED displays by Samsung will be free of Mura and other Quality Defects.
Compesation for a Relaxed Area,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFgo6CIZgmo
I haven't noticed any such effects with the Note 2, but I did notice them on the Galaxy Nexus, when brightness was turned down 'below' what the factory minimum level was set to (20).
They still exist on all Note 2's in a form which appears less severe and is different from the one you observed in the Galaxy Nexus
winlinmac001 said:
They still exist on all Note 2's in a form which appears less severe and is different from the one you observed in the Galaxy Nexus
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The only screen "defect", if you will, that I've noticed on my note 2 is as described below:
When a pure black screen is displayed and it is observed in a completely black room, there is a noticeable red glow emitted from the screen itself. Like the red sub-pixels doesn't turn off completely or something. The brightness contol affects the brightness of the prominent red glow.
Not really an annoyance, and I rarely even care, I just wonder why. I figure if the blacks completely shut off the sub-pixels, It would save battery power (a negligible amount)
I compared this same scenario on a Nexus S that my sister has, and her screen is completely black compared to mine (which glows red).
I just thought I'd make a comment on the subject matter.
hiii,
i bought my note 2 on 29-1-2013
now what i noticed in my screen,
there middle 10% part is shaded with 1% opacity,
if we look closely then it's not noticable as u seen from far,
from naked eyes is too difficult to see,
its not like Colours are gone, only looks like shade,
if i increase brightness to 100% then the small shade like finish.
i m confused that it is defected or not,
is that Normal, does nay body heard that type of case,
Please make me happy,tell me that it is Normal,I dont wana give my phone to bad service guys. :crying:
vebulous said:
The only screen "defect", if you will, that I've noticed on my note 2 is as described below:
When a pure black screen is displayed and it is observed in a completely black room, there is a noticeable red glow emitted from the screen itself. Like the red sub-pixels doesn't turn off completely or something. The brightness contol affects the brightness of the prominent red glow.
Not really an annoyance, and I rarely even care, I just wonder why. I figure if the blacks completely shut off the sub-pixels, It would save battery power (a negligible amount)
I compared this same scenario on a Nexus S that my sister has, and her screen is completely black compared to mine (which glows red).
I just thought I'd make a comment on the subject matter.
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Thats normal on the Note2, between the Galaxy S/S2/Note1 the note 2 has the 'brightest' blacks while the S1 has the dimmest and they dont really shut off.
I have these dots and lines on my note 2, galaxy s3 (changed 5 times and all of them had it) and my galaxy s plus
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lopman said:
I have these dots and lines on my note 2, galaxy s3 (changed 5 times and all of them had it) and my galaxy s plus
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Had dots on my Galaxy S2, dots and lines on my Note 1, dots/lines on my Tab 7.7
No dots/lines on my Galaxy S and Note 2
I've noticed that the black levels have changed over the last couple of Galaxy-line generations. I never saw anything significant with the Galaxy S, but that was because the blacks were more dark. Moving further into the subsequent years, the blacks began showing the Mura Effect very prominently. Every AMOLED display will have its quality variations. The units that do have the "noticeable" Mura Effect may even survive longer than the units that do have Mura Effect, but without lines, dots, and other artifacts. Its a give or take; if you buy a new AMOLED unit today, you will definitely come across some artifacts, especially dots. Each display manufactured requires special attention in order to perfect the manufacturing process, but this almost never happens in Samsung's assembly line, only because AMOLED technology is a very delicate piece of hardware.
hi.. i have an international SGN2 with normal super AMOLED display which is too much in contrast. if you want to have a crystal clear display why not choose true hd ips screen?
sorry my english..
Many don't choose the True HD IPS screen because many have the misconception that AMOLED displays provide a better color gamut, therefore a providing richer colors, accurate RGB, and premium experience. However, this is no longer necessarily the case. True HD IPS Displays have come a long way and are now thought to be leading the way for mobile displays. AMOLED is not the same as true OLED which provides deeper blacks and bright whites. Even though in an AMOLED display, individual pixels do turn off in the presence of black, the active matrix leaves the transistor film actively on. That's where the term Active-Matrix comes from. So much for AMOLED. It is speculation that Samsung may use SLCD's on their Samsung Galaxy S4 this year, according to a recent article on GSMArena.
rymote said:
hi.. i have an international SGN2 with normal super AMOLED display which is too much in contrast. if you want to have a crystal clear display why not choose true hd ips screen?
sorry my english..
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Many don't choose the True HD IPS screen because many have the misconception that AMOLED displays provide a better color gamut, therefore a providing richer colors, accurate RGB, and premium experience. However, this is no longer necessarily the case. True HD IPS Displays have come a long way and are now thought to be leading the way for mobile displays. AMOLED is not the same as true OLED which provides deeper blacks and bright whites. Even though in an AMOLED display, individual pixels do turn off in the presence of black, the active matrix leaves the transistor film actively on. That's where the term Active-Matrix comes from. So much for AMOLED. It is speculation that Samsung may use SLCD's on their Samsung Galaxy S4 this year, according to a recent article on GSMArena.
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Id prefer sammy go back to LCD's and develop it further, AMOLED just has way to many uniformity issues for those who are not lucky. If sammy can produce a 'backlight bleeding free' SLCD then Im sold, as long as theres a way to increase the color saturation
Is s4 has this kind of issue too? Like mura effect..? I think s4 has too...
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Sorry for bumping this thread into 2014, speaking of the Note 4, Samsung seems to have done some interesting software mods, but the hardware is still relatively same behavior when you test the displays using Supercurio's app. It's gruesome to know, but I've been with the AMOELD family since 2011. Have you moved up to the Note 4, EarlZ?
EarlZ said:
Id prefer sammy go back to LCD's and develop it further, AMOLED just has way to many uniformity issues for those who are not lucky. If sammy can produce a 'backlight bleeding free' SLCD then Im sold, as long as theres a way to increase the color saturation
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winlinmac001 said:
Sorry for bumping this thread into 2014, speaking of the Note 4, Samsung seems to have done some interesting software mods, but the hardware is still relatively same behavior when you test the displays using Supercurio's app. It's gruesome to know, but I've been with the AMOELD family since 2011. Have you moved up to the Note 4, EarlZ?
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Nope, I did get the Note 3 for my 24 month contract. Same old issues exist black is still problematic (no more black crush though) as you can see white spots the screen if its not displaying something that is totally black.
These AMOLED panels are still in its infantile state, but more like it its pre-teen years undergoing puberty. I'd give it a couple more years for the technology to fully mature.
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Nope, I did get the Note 3 for my 24 month contract. Same old issues exist black is still problematic (no more black crush though) as you can see white spots the screen if its not displaying something that is totally black.
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Iam confused on which tab to get ,since both are priced similar in the U.K , also this will be my first tablet . few questions i have is
1. Is the AMOLED display of tab s significantly better than that of Note 10.1.( iam impressed by the display of note 10.1 but hadnt used tab s)
2.does the extra 0.4 inch of tab s make any difference?
3.is S-pen really useful productivity tool.
4.Which one is overall a better tablet(VFM).
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Iam confused on which tab to get ,since both are priced similar in the U.K , also this will be my first tablet . few questions i have is
1. Is the AMOLED display of tab s significantly better than that of Note 10.1.( iam impressed by the display of note 10.1 but hadnt used tab s)
2.does the extra 0.4 inch of tab s make any difference?
3.is S-pen really useful productivity tool.
4.Which one is overall a better tablet(VFM).
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I had a note 10.1 2014 till it fell and the screen broke. I replaced it with the 10.5 tab s.
1. Yes, the amoled display is significantly better and nothing compares to it. Watching movies on the note annoyed me because if you weren't at the PERFECT angle, then parts of the image looked slightly washed out compared to the rest of the screen, if not viewing dead on you have the same annoying issue which is compounded by the back light being on on lcd's so the blacks are dark grey and they exhibit the same washed out look if not viewing the screen dead on. Amoled screens don't have either of those issues, even in extreme viewing angles the image on screen is the same as viewing dead on, and the deep blacks are awesome as the pixels are not lit and this alone would have made me upgrade even if my note wasn't destroyed.
2. The screen size difference is negligible and I don't notice a difference really.
3. The S Pen is a very good tool for those who use it. I have a note 3 and don't the s pen with it, but on the tablet I used to use it a lot for school. Note taking on the tablet with an app named Papyrus was very convenient and that is the only thing that I will miss dearly from the note tablet (I'll be so pissed if they announce a Note S before the end of the year)
4. Overall, for the price, I'd have to give it to the Tab s. It's slightly bigger, way better screen, thinner, lighter and has much better battery life. I'll check out getting a stylus later on when school resumes but for now, the Tab s wins.
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