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NFC - The one reason that I'm slightly jealous of the Nexus S...

So, with the Nexus S officially released, I am ever so slightly jealous of only one thing: NFC. To be perfectly honest, I think my Mozart does everything else better than the latest "Google Phone", but NFC is something that I've been drooling over for probably about 3 years, having seen it all over Japanese websites/tv.
Damn it I can't wait for some sort of NFC solution for us! http://twinlinx.com/mymaxsticker.php is probably our best bet (once it comes out), but it's not the same as having the function integrated into the hardware...
Who else can't wait for NFC to really take off? ^__^
Alex

No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.

vetvito said:
No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.
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A year ago, there were 25 million people with NFC on their phones. It's beyond huge over there! I'm really surprised that you haven't heard about it! The vast majority of shops there have nfc readers at tills as well, effectively allowing you to leave your wallet at home, and only carry your phone
Damn it this excites me!

I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.

N8ter said:
I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.
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Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S

^ Not that I know of, like I said earlier, never heard of it until today.

We do have several NFC services here in the US. Just nothing that is very popular nor is it outwardly billed as being NFC. Each implementer brands it with their own name.
https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx , for example

^ I have that little thing for Exxon. That's what this is? Another form of a credit card?

In korea they use it for everything...they can use it as cash (pay for things at shops, taxis public transport) but also you can save credit cards to the chip and you can just carry your phone around and have all your bank cards on it (only works in banks and ATMs)
also in some schools they use NFCs for student ID as well..
pretty amazing tech..it's still to take off fully but still light years ahead of most other countries...
don't worry America, once apple put in an NFC in their new iphone people will get so overly excited and think Apple invented it! and everyone will use it blah blah!
I think London is thinking of replacing the oyster card for NFC, right?

i think i prefer to keep my credit card seperate from my phone... it's one thing to steal my phone, or my card... but to steal them both in 1 hit... not my cup of tea.

GenkaiMade said:
Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S
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Crime is more prevalent here in the USA than in Japan. With such tech on our phones and being relied upon, it's like a Christmas party for ill mannered hackers.

somethings i prefer seperate
credit card is easier to replace than a phone
if that phone gets hacked by some virus (not very likely but still) im f*cked.....

I don't see this (NFC) taking off in the U.S. anytime soon, even if it's on iPhone 5 (which I don't think it will be given Apple's penchant for great implementation and user-experience).
Before it gets adopted in the U.S. by phone manufacturers, it also has to be adopted by all of the U.S. retailers in orders to be of any real-world use. What's the likelihood of that happening within the next generation or two of smartphones?

the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!

hboos said:
the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!
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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.

The Gate Keeper said:
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....

MartyLK said:
I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....
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hahaha, what phone(s)?

The Gate Keeper said:
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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ah that makes sense...
in korea they have NFC in the phones and you can use it for cash (comes out of your phone bill) for small payments and withdraw cash from ATMs (via stored bank/credit card) after you insert PIN
i didn't realise you can get credit cards with NFC on them..
well in that case, I am back on the fence about this one

I have my HD7 but I am tempted to sell it and buy the Nexus when it comes out. Trying to be patient with WM7 and it has a lot of potential but I think it might take a year or so to get up to IOS or android. The nexus S could hold me over till then

in a year wp7 if its doesnt fizzle may have overtaken ios, and android at their current stages and at its current rate of growth ( its been out about 2 months, and a update already in testers hands) in less than four months it will almost catch up, and about 6 months from that it'll have things that they dont. Who know maybe by then ios will be playing catch up to wp7, 6.5 already had some thing thats why alot of us have the hd2,in a way theyre playing catching up to us with exception of stability and speed. Now that we have stability, etc, all they have to do is put back what they took out, add apps which they are doing, and walla. Windows Phone is on top again. Nothing last forever, not even apples domination.

jpkc1 Firmware To Run Spoof Apps

Please upload the guide to make modded firmware jpkc1 or upload the modded firmware.
Thanks

no. instead go and buy the apps and give programmers' work respect!

xsycox
Can you understand or even ask why he asked for sp**fed apps?!!!!
for me it is too simple
until now almost the whole middle east didn't get paid app service from samsung apps
Can you imagine how is bada look like right here?!!!!!
it is like weird platform used by idiots (excuse me for that word)who are so patient for it to be great
i don't support sp**fing but if samsung is not going to support our region then it should be done
Am i right?

mylove90 said:
Am i right?
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Nope, spoofing apps in any case is a piracy, and it hurts bada and developers (who work hard to give us some apps) the most. You better write to Samsung and ask for opening paid version of Samsung Apps in your region instead of stealing someone's work. Therefore personally I give this topic -1.

love90, I understand your thoughts, but akuji is right: better make BIG trouble and write hundreds (or thousands) of e-mails and send them to samsung. also, form a group with a petition and go even bigger!
another thing: what is your problem? I can buy apps in ANY store everywhere of the world. if I do not like the apps in x, then I change the store to another country and buy them there. you can do this, too, I guess. ip faking is not even needed, I believe, but if it is needed, then just use one of million tools for that.
there is just NO reason to **** up the little programmers' base we have.

I don't have a Visa or Master card(should i hate myself for not having a one?!)
Also those damn cards for paying are not so popular right here
Another thing : i don't trust Samsung app to give them my card no. even if i have a one
I'd prefer using phone bill when it is available
E-mailed Samsung many times and they always say we are working on it and nothing happens
All my forums members did also so it is not about that
Samsung seems to be not interested in doing it
For my case i gathered important apps and added them to the firmware to use them until the paid service is out and i'll erase them and then buy them when they are available

1. I do rather not believe, you will erase apps later and buy them. Sorry, nobody is acting like that.
2. Now and for ALL TIMES: It is NOT Samsung's error, but the bad behaviour of PHONE CONTRACTORS, if P-Bill is not active in your country. You have to call your providers then and make trouble there.
3. You know, I thought you have NO possibility to buy apps, but now you are telling me it is just about the ****ing credit card? That is hilarious. So, you do not want to trust Samsung. Who else not? Flight companies? Amazon? Ebay? What do you want to do then with your credit card? Just sit and fart on it? =)
Seriously, there are 5000 prepaid credit card providers in the world which offer no further costs than aquiring the prepaid credit card. Every gas station even has them. So, you can buy your apps with those prepaid credit cards and have NO problem with your data, because those are anonymus.
Nowhere in the world there is a solid base/argument for spoofing apps ... and never forget, those app programmers usually are NOT big companies, but small groups or individuals (freelancers) with an age between 20 and 45 years. So, spoofers are really ****ing up someone's monthly income.

xsycox said:
1. I do rather not believe, you will erase apps later and buy them. Sorry, nobody is acting like that.
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i am sorry also that you don't know me well
xsycox said:
2. Now and for ALL TIMES: It is NOT Samsung's error, but the bad behaviour of PHONE CONTRACTORS, if P-Bill is not active in your country. You have to call your providers then and make trouble there.
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you are right
SHP also won't roll out for Middle east for the same damn reason
maybe we won't get paid apps too!!!!
xsycox said:
3. You know, I thought you have NO possibility to buy apps, but now you are telling me it is just about the ****ing credit card? That is hilarious. So, you do not want to trust Samsung. Who else not? Flight companies? Amazon? Ebay? What do you want to do then with your credit card? Just sit and fart on it? =)
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who said that i've a one?! or i can even have a one?!
my age restricts me from having a one...it is a country issue for me now
xsycox said:
Nowhere in the world there is a solid base/argument for spoofing apps ... and never forget, those app programmers usually are NOT big companies, but small groups or individuals (freelancers) with an age between 20 and 45 years. So, spoofers are really ****ing up someone's monthly income.
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and i really want to support them but tell me how???
This discussion won't end between you and me
i am right and you are right also
but it is the way we look to the things

mylove90 said:
SHP also won't roll out for Middle east for the same damn reason
maybe we won't get paid apps too!!!!
and i really want to support them but tell me how???
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1. yes, that sucks. in Europe it does not, too, but therefore we have the hack. that is fine with me.
2. as I said, prepaid credit cards. that is working like a phone card. you can get/buy them everywhere for 10, 20, 50 or 100 €/$. gas stations, newspaper stores, ... everywhere. also, online, of course. with those you can buy apps in the samsung store. the best thing: they are anonymus. so, it does not even matter how old you are.

No warez
Sent from a phone....In my hand!

So, I made my first NFC payment today...

I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?

Deanwvu said:
Am I missing something?
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Did you get your $10?
I don't know about purchases but I have some cool ideas about things to do with my new NFC tags.

Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium

Buff McBigstuff said:
Did you get your $10?
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I did It was certainly worth $10 to give this a go!!
psychoace said:
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
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I can see that as an advantage, perhaps. Maybe there will be a day when I walk out of my door carrying only my ID, my phone, and my car keys, but not yet. I do not trust my phone to be working all the time every day. All it would take is one phone failure when I actually need to purchase something to sour the experience for good.
Again, when it comes to purchasing goods/services, I think simple is best. Time will tell.

Security. Your credit card is an archaic tool rife with vulnerabilities. Chip based payment systems are arguably more secure.

psychoace said:
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.

I tried it a while back at Best Buy, especially since Google is handing out a free $10. Yeah, it's nothing special, but I like the idea of keeping some cash on there in case I ever leave my wallet at home. I've gone out of town on business before only to get 2 hours down the road and realize I don't have my wallet. I NEVER leave my phone. It's a good option to have.

psychoace said:
Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.
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I've seen much worse
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Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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It's because you're now old school.
Don't worry I argued this same point - there's not much appeal when I have to carry a wallet anyway for my ID and some cash for places that charge for credit cards. Google wallet takes more work than paying for a card for me.
But I could see this being a fundamental shift in payment for younger generations who might have a phone but no real need for a wallet - who will grow up used to this system.
The real issue at the moment is battery life, I'm sure 5-10 years from now week+ battery life will be the norm and using phone for everything will become acceptable. Phones will also not be so fragile (cough iphone) so it will be as reliable as a piece of card (or almost).
Personally though, I think an NFC card would be way more convenient. It could be the size of a credit card, with a touch screen interface that lets you use it for payment or as a driver's license. But this kind of tech is probably at least 10 years away.

Can I ask you guys which method is the best one out there ?
I do have root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365360
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20404813&postcount=350

I think I'm a little confused by wallet. I know it wasn't inclued out of the box because of Verizon. I was able to download it from the market, install and activate it. I have the $10 and went to test it. I went to pay and the phone said sent but did not display the merchant for confirmation and the merchant didn't receive it either. They are supposedly setup for it. Do I need to grab one the other APKs and reinstall or is there any ideas you guys may have? I've searched plenty and saw no mention of what I'm experiencing. Thanks for any insight.

+1
Thank you!
finally some one that sees the truth
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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I am on the fence, see the pros and cons with both...but eventually when the NYC MTA implements this technology broadly it would pretty sweet to use if you happen to misplace or forget your train ticket and/or metro card

For now, I have to agree. It is less convenient than just using a card.
What would ultimately be really cool is to replace all those things we're talking about with just your phone. Unlock your house, start your car, verify your identity, pay for stuff... all with one device. But until I can ditch my wallet and keys entirely, it's just another way to complicate things instead of a solution to make life simpler. Can't wait for the future!

I've now used it at about 5 different locations and it's pretty fast, with much potential. assuming you've entered your pin ahead of time, it's faster than paying with a physical card. my phone hasn't crashed for more than a month (since going to custom roms) and fcs are extremely rare. therefore it's as reliable as I expect it to be
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My phone gave me fits when I tried to use Google Wallet at Rite Aid. Fortunately the cashier mived the rest of the line behind me to a free register so I could keep trying, because I had to start over like 8 times. It's a nice gimmick for now, but it won't really be practical until more businesses support it and the bugs get worked out.
Terminators run on Android

I see the appeal in that my phone is quickly becoming my life "tool"
First it integrated my iPod/music player, now does movies, now does hand held games, mobile web browser and email means its now used for work purposes... replicon now has timesheet app so it also records my time in/out of a job......google wallet is now what I use to pay for groceries at the store instead of carrying my wallet in my pocket and possibly loosing my wallet... if my phone is lost, they have to go through 3 passwords before getting to my wallet.
Im thinking more of it as a "why not"... my phone is becoming more and more useful

out for a run with only my phone, need a drink, run into cvs, swipe phone

I used it at 7-11 yesterday just to test it with the free $10. It worked flawlessly but I don't see replacing my wallet until everyone accepts this interface.
I would use it more now if I was able to add my Wells Fargo debit card. Hopefully the ability to add any type of debit/credit card will be the next stag of evolution for this service.
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One advantage is that you can see all your previous transactions electronically more conveniently (not having to log into your credit card account, or wait a day or two before the transaction showing up there).
Another advantage is that coupons and deals can be used more easily. For example, right now if you go into Google Wallet, you can choose offers like 15% off entire purchase at Gap & Banana Republic when you pay with NFC. The offers are pretty limited right now, but I reserve my judgement until Google Wallet or Isis (Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile NFC payment system) take off.
In principle, it is more secure since even if you lost your phone, with your phone unlocked, other people can't use it for NFC payment since it requires an additional PIN code. But then of course losing the phone itself probably costs a lot too...
If Google Wallet or Isis gain traction, more credit card companies will jump in. And hopefully that means you can add more credit cards can be stored on your phone, eliminating the need to carry a number of physical cards.
Oh... and it saves a lot of time for a typical female not having to find an additional item in their over-stuffed purses.

2nd Google Wallet vulnerability found that effects all users, rooted or not

There is yet another security vulnerability in Google Wallet that allows a person with access to your device to change your pin without having ever known your pin at all. It doesn't require root or any special software to do either. Hopefully Google plugs this hole ASAP.
http://thesmartphonechamp.com/secon...le-wallet-rooted-or-not-no-one-is-safe-video/

canca14 said:
There is yet another security vulnerability in Google Wallet that allows a person with access to your device to change your pin without having ever known your pin at all. It doesn't require root or any special software to do either. Hopefully Google plugs this hole ASAP.
http://thesmartphonechamp.com/secon...le-wallet-rooted-or-not-no-one-is-safe-video/
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Jesus, so don't use it. Problem solved.
This whole the sky is falling crap is pissing me off. There are inherently more risks with people stealing your credit card and identity than all this.

Yep, this was discovered awhile ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1412136&highlight=wallet

If you're using Google Wallet, you should also be using either a pattern or PIN unlock for the lock screen. Common sense. In any event, in this scenario they only have access to your prepaid card which only has limited funds.
Used Wallet for the first time this morning at Wawa and loved it. Entered the PIN while I was waiting in line. Got to the register, tapped the PayPass, boom, done. So easy and quick.

Or you could...just...not lose your phone...

El Daddy said:
Or you could...just...not lose your phone...
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When I worked retail I was once robbed at gunpoint, and the thief stole my iPhone, too.
Sometimes it's not as easy as just "not losing your phone".
That said, I used my $10 and since there's no convenient way to use my bank account with Google Wallet, I don't really have a reason to use it anymore. No skin off my back, but I'm sure Google will plug the holes soon...

Stadsport said:
When I worked retail I was once robbed at gunpoint, and the thief stole my iPhone, too.
Sometimes it's not as easy as just "not losing your phone".
That said, I used my $10 and since there's no convenient way to use my bank account with Google Wallet, I don't really have a reason to use it anymore. No skin off my back, but I'm sure Google will plug the holes soon...
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True, but the odds of the thief finding/stealing your device with google wallet and knowing how to hack it to get access is about the same someone finding your house keys on the street, locating your house, and robbing you.

I have never seen a GSM GNEX anywhere so I'm not concerned some geek is going to drain my bank account when I'm at the local quicky mart.
FUD

Stadsport said:
When I worked retail I was once robbed at gunpoint, and the thief stole my iPhone, too.
Sometimes it's not as easy as just "not losing your phone".
That said, I used my $10 and since there's no convenient way to use my bank account with Google Wallet, I don't really have a reason to use it anymore. No skin off my back, but I'm sure Google will plug the holes soon...
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Then call your bank to block future transaction ...
Same thing like when you lost your wallet with credit card in it ...
No issue here, just dont loose your phone. And do the right thing when that happen!

gogol said:
Then call your bank to block future transaction ...
Same thing like when you lost your wallet with credit card in it ...
No issue here, just dont loose your phone. And do the right thing when that happen!
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Yes you can call to block transactions, but to say that there's no issue when a person can change your pin without ever even knowing your pin just by simply clearing the app's data is a bit odd. There's definitely an issue there. How can the technology be expected to grow when such glaring holes in the security are there? If I could add my bank card to Google Wallet I wouldn't do it after seeing how easy it is for someone to access it.

mobilehavoc said:
Jesus, so don't use it. Problem solved.
This whole the sky is falling crap is pissing me off.
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Then don't read it. Problem solved.
Discussing security concerns in a development forum is fairly justified and appropriate. The reaction by the community is entirely reasonable.

Hi Guys,
We had planned on not disclosing this vulnerability until later, but since it is already public, I can report that we were aware of it as well.
We reported it to Google on January 4th and they are presently working on a fix for it.
Please note that this issue ONLY affects people's pre-paid accounts.

miasma said:
Hi Guys,
We had planned on not disclosing this vulnerability until later, but since it is already public, I can report that we were aware of it as well.
We reported it to Google on January 4th and they are presently working on a fix for it.
Please note that this issue ONLY affects people's pre-paid accounts.
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I don't know who you are, but I like your smile so I will trust you.

miasma said:
Hi Guys,
We had planned on not disclosing this vulnerability until later, but since it is already public, I can report that we were aware of it as well.
We reported it to Google on January 4th and they are presently working on a fix for it.
Please note that this issue ONLY affects people's pre-paid accounts.
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This so call news is as old as the app itself. It is just that one blog decided to write about and the rest followed copy/paste as every single "news" in android.

making a mountain out of a mole hill. my phone has pattern lock. if i ever lose the bloody thing i will remotely wipe it. the 20 bucks on my pre paid card wont bankrupt me if i lose it anyway.

canca14 said:
Yes you can call to block transactions, but to say that there's no issue when a person can change your pin without ever even knowing your pin just by simply clearing the app's data is a bit odd. There's definitely an issue there. How can the technology be expected to grow when such glaring holes in the security are there? If I could add my bank card to Google Wallet I wouldn't do it after seeing how easy it is for someone to access it.
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How can that person have access to your phone?
This is the same like you lost your wallet with your credit card and money in it.
Still, you can password protect or encrypt your phone, while you can NOT do that on your wallet.

canca14 said:
How can the technology be expected to grow when such glaring holes in the security are there? If I could add my bank card to Google Wallet I wouldn't do it after seeing how easy it is for someone to access it.
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It's worth re-iterating that this vulnerability only impacts the Google pre-paid card that you can use with Wallet - that is the only card that is automatically restored to your Wallet based on your device ID. Any physical cards that you have linked with Wallet will not be available after the "thief" has wiped your Wallet data.

You can bet if you lost your real wallet with a pile of bills in it that money would be spent faster than the person wiping G Wallets data. This whole attack G Wallet thing is driving me nuts.

I think a whole 10 people actually used Google Wallet AFTER they spent the free $10.
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miasma said:
Hi Guys,
We had planned on not disclosing this vulnerability until later, but since it is already public, I can report that we were aware of it as well.
We reported it to Google on January 4th and they are presently working on a fix for it.
Please note that this issue ONLY affects people's pre-paid accounts.
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so you were boy scouts on this one but released exploit code for the last one? Bipolar much? Thanks for letting us know that you knew about it already.
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Google Wallet

What can we do to get GW accepted in more places? Or places that take paypass to get the darn machines working??? :banghead::banghead::banghead:
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Use it. That's about it. To be honest though, there really isn't a big demand for the technology at the moment. Few people have devices that can use the technology, and fewer still actually bother with it even if they have a capable device. The physical wallet isn't going anywhere anytime soon because it contains many things that your phone probably won't be privy to for a long time. Why bother with Google Wallet when you can just as easily pull out the credit card that your google wallet uses anyway, and not have to worry about whether or not the place you're at has NFC support?
I would LOVE for Google Wallet to catch on (and get a few more features <.<; ) and I think it will-- in a few years. For now, however, Google Wallet hasn't really proven itself to businesses and the average user as anything more than a gimmick.

I won't even bother using it until I can link it to my debit card.

More and more places accept paypass all the time. Google wallet isn't the only thing that uses it btw. I've never had an issue with a paypass machine myself.

I FINALLY found a place in my town where it works. It was a McDonalds, heh. Too bad I almost never go to McDonalds....

lordkaosu said:
I won't even bother using it until I can link it to my debit card.
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This I would like to link it to other cards other then citi cards....
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The feature I like the best is that it's not linked to my atm/debit card or my personal credit cards. That its only linked to the Google card and I have to put money into it makes me feel very safe and secure. I would have never activated Google wallet if it linked to my personal banking and credit info. This is by far the safest rout.
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Linking it to debit would help acceptance a lot I think. And perhaps digital ids but that may be a ways off unless governments step in and push that. But as is, it is probably too easy to hack, fake or manipulate digital ids. But it would be sooooo freaking awesome to get other cards working with this tech. Car insurance, health insurance, club, grocery store cards/ids. A true digital wallet would be awesome. Would have to get a leather case for my nexus then.
let it be.

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Linking it to debit would help acceptance a lot I think. And perhaps digital ids but that may be a ways off unless governments step in and push that. But as is, it is probably too easy to hack, fake or manipulate digital ids. But it would be sooooo freaking awesome to get other cards working with this tech. Car insurance, health insurance, club, grocery store cards/ids. A true digital wallet would be awesome. Would have to get a leather case for my nexus then.
let it be.
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Nah ductape case is better LOL jk
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Like another person said the acceptance of Google wallet isn't the issue it is updating them because I think MasterCard only card that some have built-in got lectured at wall greens that they won't turn it on but what's point in having it displayed anyway next iPhone 5 is supposedly going to have it so demand should increase and public awareness of it should increase I swear one place kept hitting cancel on me on purpose because they thought I was scamming them.
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Was able to link my food stamps to it. Been on a spending Bender ever since.
Went straight to the strip club where, surprisingly, they have pay pass. Then off to cigarette depot for some smokes. Bought me a carton, no more loosies for me. After that, got some lotto tickets @ 7-11. Then off to white castle.
I even got enough left on my "IL Link" card that I can sell the rest of the funds to one of my baby mommas for fifty cent on the dolla.
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rboone18 said:
Like another person said the acceptance of Google wallet isn't the issue it is updating them because I think MasterCard only card that some have built-in got lectured at wall greens that they won't turn it on but what's point in having it displayed anyway next iPhone 5 is supposedly going to have it so demand should increase and public awareness of it should increase I swear one place kept hitting cancel on me on purpose because they thought I was scamming them.
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That's probably another "issue". If iPhone doesn't have it is no good or not cool.
let it be.

Basically companies have to pay for the machines that they use to accept credit cards etc. The only way for this to get HUGE and FAST is for Google to become contracted with certain businesses to provide them with these PayPass scanners, even if they have to produce their own Google Branded versions. This way they have control and can distribute them. Otherwise ATM we are stuck with places that have the PayPass machines. Most companies go cheap and get those ugly looking grey plastic card machines that aren't very advanced, just for the fact they are cheap. Google will have to make the move though, businesses will not pay the dough to switch to these machines.

thos25 said:
After that, got some lotto tickets @ 7-11.
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Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.

I use mine all the time...
McD's, 7-11, CVS and even Whole Foods. There's an app for MC Paypass locations and I've found everywhere that's on the list generally accepts them. I have to agree with it being limited. Google Wallet needs to stop treating this like a hobby and add cards other than Citibank. GW needs to mature a lot before ISIS or even Apple arrives on the scene.
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krichek said:
Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
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LOL... I've heard the clerks tell people they can't use credit cards. I just ambush them and hit the terminal with my phone and if they ever say anything I can just show them the pic of the GW Prepaid and point at the "DEBIT" in the graphic. After all I can't control how their POS terminal processes it and by the time they notice it's too late.

krichek said:
Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
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clearly you aren't on food stamps or you would know how to work those angles. Lol.
And, I was being sarcastic about everything I said. just to make sure everyone knows. But you can bet that someone will figure out how to link their food stamps to this. Here in Illinois food stamps are on a debit card called "Illinois link". And like most states, there are people who use them that know how to work the system to get all sorts of crazy stuff.
This morning I was at the gas station behind a guy who used his link to buy candy and soda not just for him but for his buddy too. Wearing 200 Jordans, gold chains, about 250 worth of clothes on, a gold grill, and diamonds in his ears. Talking on an iphone 4 the whole time. Then watched him get into his relatively new Lincoln Navigator with 20+" wheels. Then I had the privilege of following him on my way to work. His stereo booming the two blocks until he pulled into the govt housing authority homes, where I wouldn't be surprised if he lived.
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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thos25 said:
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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Hate to say it, but that is a way for nfc to get a big push. Otoh, nfc is usually in high end phones, even subsidized ones so the other side of the equation is "dafuq?"
let it be.

Wilsonium said:
Google Wallet needs to stop treating this like a hobby and add cards other than Citibank.
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They would love to but if you don't have cooperation, then it can't happen. Too many of those companies are trying to compete with GW so they will not allow it.

thos25 said:
clearly you aren't on food stamps or you would know how to work those angles. Lol.
And, I was being sarcastic about everything I said. just to make sure everyone knows. But you can bet that someone will figure out how to link their food stamps to this. Here in Illinois food stamps are on a debit card called "Illinois link". And like most states, there are people who use them that know how to work the system to get all sorts of crazy stuff.
This morning I was at the gas station behind a guy who used his link to buy candy and soda not just for him but for his buddy too. Wearing 200 Jordans, gold chains, about 250 worth of clothes on, a gold grill, and diamonds in his ears. Talking on an iphone 4 the whole time. Then watched him get into his relatively new Lincoln Navigator with 20+" wheels. Then I had the privilege of following him on my way to work. His stereo booming the two blocks until he pulled into the govt housing authority homes, where I wouldn't be surprised if he lived.
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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I work with the side of providing free services to some of those people and the best part is a fair number of them tend to be the most demanding and presumptuous people I've met... just plain rude. Not sure what it is about paying for something that makes you nicer. Maybe we just don't appreciate something as much if its free. This doesn't apply to everyone but I see it often enough that it bugs me. Okay I'm done with my rant haha
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fatttire said:
I work with the side of providing free services to some of those people and the best part is a fair number of them tend to be the most demanding and presumptuous people I've met... just plain rude. Not sure what it is about paying for something that makes you nicer. Maybe we just don't appreciate something as much if its free. This doesn't apply to everyone but I see it often enough that it bugs me. Okay I'm done with my rant haha
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I hear ya. I used to live directly across from govt projects. I would always see aarons and rent a center trucks there dropping off big screen TV's. I even see several 50"+ televisions on the trash curb. Aside from that it wasn't a horrible place to live. if you don't mind loud music, large groups of 50+ people fighting with everything from broom sticks to tire irons, and weekly shootings that is.
But yeah. My sister is a cashier @ Walmart a and says a large portion of the people are rude. I've seen it myself standing in line behind many of them.
And don't get me wrong. A good deal of those people are in legitimate need of assistance. They are grateful for the help and do what they can to become self sufficient as time goes on.
But a significant portion of the people are not deserving, are rude, dishonest, and generally don't deserve anything they get.
and as for the comment about how putting food stamps on these devices would probably drive Google wallet. It probably would. And even though it is only on high end phones, you can bet your bottom dollar that a lot of people on welfare have high end phones.
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