Hi guys .. I have had my Desire Z for a little while and I want to play around with ROMs now ... I am looking for a way to make a *full* backup of the phone .. That means the OS itself, all its settings (alarms, personalization stuff, stored passwords, installed apps, etc ..), all application and personal data (both on ROM and SD card), etc ...
That is, one backup that when restored, returns the complete phone including all its settings and data to the state the phone was in when the backup was created ..
Now there are two Market tools I've found that claim to do something similar: My Backup Pro and Titanium Backup, and I also hear that ClockWorkMod can create backups ...
But I don't know if these tools backup *everything* like I want, so any advice given here would be really appreciated ..
Ok, the only way to make a 100% backup is when you are rooted.
When you are rooted you can use titanium backup to back up all your apps, data & settings. Then when you install a new ROM you can easily restore everything.
The back up you do in CWM is called a nandroid and this backs up your entire ROM including apps, data & settings. as soon as you are rooted you will want to do this so you have a back up of your stock ROM incase anything goes wrong and you need to get your stock ROM easily.
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cjward23 said:
Ok, the only way to make a 100% backup is when you are rooted.
When you are rooted you can use titanium backup to back up all your apps, data & settings. Then when you install a new ROM you can easily restore everything.
The back up you do in CWM is called a nandroid and this backs up your entire ROM including apps, data & settings. as soon as you are rooted you will want to do this so you have a back up of your stock ROM incase anything goes wrong and you need to get your stock ROM easily.
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Ok thanks for that advice ...
So assuming my phone is rooted (it isn't now but I will do it once this issue is resolved), which method is better for me which backs up *everything* (stock OS, personal data, app data, media, settings, SD card stuff, etc ..) ? CWM or Titanium Backup ?
I have heard that CWM doesn't backup everything .. that it leaves some stuff out (not exactly sure what this is though) .. :/
ahmadka said:
Ok thanks for that advice ...
So assuming my phone is rooted (it isn't now but I will do it once this issue is resolved), which method is better for me which backs up *everything* (stock OS, personal data, app data, media, settings, SD card stuff, etc ..) ? CWM or Titanium Backup ?
I have heard that CWM doesn't backup everything .. that it leaves some stuff out (not exactly sure what this is though) .. :/
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never ever ever use TiBU for backing up anything other than downloaded apps. (imo, some people may disagree, but I have never had success with TiBU outside of saving a few downloaded apps... and even then it seems to be hit or miss for me)
CWM is the best option for creating a full backup. when you restore a nandroid backup, it's like going back in time... everything is exactly as it was when that backup was created.
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never ever ever use TiBU for backing up anything other than downloaded apps. (imo, some people may disagree, but I have never had success with TiBU outside of saving a few downloaded apps... and even then it seems to be hit or miss for me)
CWM is the best option for creating a full backup. when you restore a nandroid backup, it's like going back in time... everything is exactly as it was when that backup was created.
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Hmm ... Are you absolutely sure that CWM backs up everything ? That is, the stock ROM, all my android's settings, sms, contacts, emails, list of apps installed, app data, my personal data (photos, videos, music, documents, etc ..) ? And does it also backup data from both the built-in memory and stuff on the SD card ?
Reason why I ask this is because this afternoon I came across a thread (can't seem to find it now) where somebody said CWM leaves some stuff out in backing up and then somebody else suggested using Titanium Backup ...
So I want to proceed with CWM only if you're dead sure that it backs up *everyyyyyythinggggg* ...
Btw, I don't mean to question to knowledge, I just want to be sure, thats all
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Ok, the only way to make a 100% backup is when you are rooted.
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+1
Root + Titanium Backup.
How can we back up the stock rom?? Cwm will not be present on the stock rom. So how?
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mmb_z said:
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Root + Titanium Backup.
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Conflicting statements people .. :/
CWM or titanium backup ?
Btw, does titanium backup also backup the stock OS/ROM ?
vikraam said:
How can we back up the stock rom?? Cwm will not be present on the stock rom. So how?
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When you root you will still be using your stock ROM, you then back up your stock rooted ROM. There is no way to back up an unrooted ROM.
Unrooted stock ROM's are available in the form of an official RUU most of which you will find if you read the stickies in the development section of the forums.
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ahmadka said:
Conflicting statements people .. :/
CWM or titanium backup ?
Btw, does titanium backup also backup the stock OS/ROM ?
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Titanium will not back up the os, you can use to back up all of the system apps and data. But as a previous poster said this is not good a good idea as restoring them tends to be problematic.
And don't worry about your sdcard flashing roms will not affect any data on your sdcard.
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mmb_z said:
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Root + Titanium Backup.
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the only thing you could theoretically lose are photos, videos, etc that are stored on the sdcard... but this would only happen if you deleted/formatted the sd card. otherwise, they just move with you from rom to rom.
I don't know what people think titanium backup is for, but seriously... it's not as magnificent as it is commonly made out to be. its only real use is restoring stuff from /data (ie apps and settings). even then, it is known to be problematic. I have used it in the past but I finally got sick of it when I realized that half of the time I used it to backup/restore it ended up doing more harm than good.
CWM is the best option for making a full backup of EVERYTHING on your phone (remember, your sd card is not part of your phone... it doesn't get backed up/restored via CWM). restoring a CWM backup will revert your phone to the exact state it was in at the time of the backup.
I used titanium backup and it worked for everything. Even backed the stuff up to my PC.
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I used titanium backup and it worked for everything. Even backed the stuff up to my PC.
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that's awesome, but you will encounter problems with Ti backup if you try to restore anything from /system after installing a new rom. if you've come from one aosp rom to another, you might get lucky and not have any trouble (especially if they are a similar flavor of aosp), but if you try to restore anything from a sense rom's /system to an aosp rom's /system, or vice versa, you're in for a lot of force closing and general bass-ackwardness.
op: the BEST way is a nandroid backup. if you try and restore titanium backup apps and settings over whichever rom you've installed, you can almost guarantee something will be broken... just do it the right way and do a nandroid backup via CWM and save yourself the trouble.
Guys I forgot to mention, my phone is NOT currently rooted (Yes I realize I should have mentioned this in the first post) .. so what can I use now to backup everything like I want ?
ahmadka said:
Guys I forgot to mention, my phone is NOT currently rooted (Yes I realize I should have mentioned this in the first post) .. so what can I use now to backup everything like I want ?
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Not much really, there are apps available to back up sms and contacts will be synced to Google.
todo backup by easeus...free too. works great
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1) Root.
2) Install CWM Recovery.
3) Nandroid.
There's your backup.
How do you guys do backups when you try out different roms? Am I bound to lose scores and settings in games and apps every time i change rom?
(sorry for what may be a stupid question, but i understood the answers given earlier that making a Nandroid recovery will also recover the rom at the time of the backup not just apps and settings)
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How do you guys do backups when you try out different roms? Am I bound to lose scores and settings in games and apps every time i change rom?
(sorry for what may be a stupid question, but i understood the answers given earlier that making a Nandroid recovery will also recover the rom at the time of the backup not just apps and settings)
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A nandroid back does a complete back of system, apps, data, and settings. When you restore a nandroid your phone will be restored to the exact point it was at before you preformed the nandroid.
To back up apps and data, you will need to use an app like titanium backup. you then can restore apps and data, including game save and scores after you flash a new rom.
But it is not advised to back up and restore system data and settings with titanium back up
before i rooted i took backups whit MyBackup.
after you get rooted, take Clean CWM backup of your phone.
when you are up and running on a custom rom, take CWM backup, and back up downloaded apps whit Titanium backup.
If you are going from sense rom to sense rom, you dont necessaryli need to wipe your data and apps, so you don't have to restore anything. If you are going for completely different rom, you need wipe everything, after you are running in new rom, you cant get just the apps from cwm backup, it would restore your old rom too, so now restore your apps and stuff from TI backups. and if you don't like the new rom, use CWM backup to go back to your last rom.
so you need both backups cwm and Ti..
and as said before app backups might cause some problems when going from rom to rom
I have been jumping between different MIUI roms, they are basically the same so i haven't wiped anything(except dalvik cache) when flashing new rom, so everything will stay the way they are, and no ned to restore anything, if that's the case.
What comes to the stuff on SDcard, it will be just fine, if you want to back up your pics/music/vids, etc from your sdcard, just copy them to your computer.
i'm trying to figure out what restoring from a backup actually does.
let's say i make a Nandroid backup and then flash a custom ROM like StarBurst. i then restore from the backup i made. will this restore all of my apps, settings, files, etc. to the same configuration they were before flashing the custom ROM? so will i be running the new ROM with all of my previous apps, files, etc.?
OR will i have to start all over from scratch (install all apps, files, etc.) each time i flash a ROM?
The nandroid is a backup of the whole rom which you chose to back up. If you restore the back up it'll overwrite the new rom u flashed. Each time you flash a new rom you usually have to start from scratch unless u use something like titanium backup (look for it in the market or google it to find info about it). Remember its always best to do a wipe before flashing a new rom unless instructed that its ok to not do one.
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The nandroid is a backup of the whole rom which you chose to back up. If you restore the back up it'll overwrite the new rom u flashed. Each time you flash a new rom you usually have to start from scratch unless u use something like titanium backup (look for it in the market or google it to find info about it). Remember its always best to do a wipe before flashing a new rom unless instructed that its ok to not do one.
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ok, thanks. yeah, i've read a handful of tutorials and they all say to wipe all your data. with new ROM updates coming out all the time, i didn't want to start all over from scratch each time. installing and customizing all the apps i have would take forever.
Is it true that Titanium Backup isn't a good one to use since you can't restore data because it will cause force closes? If I'm going to restore then I'd like to restore settings, bookmarks, texts, etc.
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Is it true that Titanium Backup isn't a good one to use since you can't restore data because it will cause force closes? If I'm going to restore then I'd like to restore settings, bookmarks, texts, etc.
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It depends. For a single app and it's data Titanium works great. I use it all the time. Using to restore phone settings is where you can run into problems. And that is because going from ROM A to ROM B, the dev may have changed some system file somewhere that Titanium is gonna mess with, then you get weird force close issues.
is there a way to flash rom's but still have all the apps and screen icons in the same place? I like flashing but hate setting up all the apps and screens to the way i like it..
No your going to lose your apps and placement. If you use Titanium Backup or my backup root you can at least restore your apps. I would not recommend restoring data though it usually causes issues. I just like a fresh install so that I do not have to worry about issues anyway.
bigp750 said:
is there a way to flash rom's but still have all the apps and screen icons in the same place? I like flashing but hate setting up all the apps and screens to the way i like it..
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If you're going between GB and ICS then you do want to do a fresh install of everything. Same if you're going from a custom ROM to a different ROM. Just about the only time it's really safe to keep the apps and settings is when you're updating to a newer version of the ROM you have. Titanium Backup is what you want to use to back-up your apps and system settings.
Some ROM's have a No-Data version you can flash also. Sfhub's usually do. The No-Data version will keep the apps and everything how they were.
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is there a way to flash rom's but still have all the apps and screen icons in the same place? I like flashing but hate setting up all the apps and screens to the way i like it..
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Yes there is. Make a nandroid of your rom setup the way you like it. Then, whenever you want to switch to a new rom, flash that rom, boot, go back into recovery, then go to restore, advanced restore, advanced restore of data from nandroid. I do this all the time and it works very well. This will only work when going from gb rom to gb rom or ics to ics rom though. Going from gb to ics data restore causes issues.
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Yes there is. Make a nandroid of your rom setup the way you like it. Then, whenever you want to switch to a new rom, flash that rom, boot, go back into recovery, then go to restore, advanced restore, advanced restore of data from nandroid. I do this all the time and it works very well. This will only work when going from gb rom to gb rom or ics to ics rom though. Going from gb to ics data restore causes issues.
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You can still run into problems with restoring that way. You really do want to do a fresh install most of the time. It's kind of a crap shoot as to whether or not it will get buggy from restoring apps like that.
If you're using a custom launcher like Nova or ADW, you can back it up with titanium backup then restore it with data once you've got your new ROM installed and it will still have your screens set up. You'll still need to restore/redownload all your apps though.
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Most custom launchers have a backup/restore preferences setting also. Go launcher saves to sd so it doesn't delete its settings between flashing.
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Most custom launchers have a backup/restore preferences setting also. Go launcher saves to sd so it doesn't delete its settings between flashing.
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On gingerbread I always used the No Data format all between roms. It was usually from stock to Calks though and never had any issues. But these days going from ICS to ICS i just use Titanium Backup and depending on what launcher I am using just lose widgets and maybe 5 minutes total time out my day.
I've had Titanium backup on my phone for a while now. The number of options/functions is a bit mind boggling on this app. So far I just used it for a basic complete backup and to freeze/unfreeze/uninstall/restore apps.
I don't have any backups scheduled yet. I also anticipate we'll probably get a JB 4.2 update this summer some time. Is there a guide anywhere on "best practices' for TB? I've spent dozens and dozens of hours tweaking this phone just right with all sorts of apps. My goal is after an update to have the least work/headache possible. I know many of the programs I'm using like Llama, WidgetLocker, Nova Launcher have their own settings backup I'll need to use to save to the SD card.
My phone is rooted but I plan to always stay on the stock ROM. I assume I will need to re-root then install TB and do a restore. Is this a simple one click operation, or even with TB am I probably going to run into problems and have to do a lot of re-config work? I don't even know if on an OS update TB can cause more problems than it solves so it's best to just start from scratch.
Thanks for the bone.
With Titanium Backup you can make a flashable .zip to restore your apps and data. I use this all the time and its quicker than restoring thru TiBu its self. I only zip apps since data can sometimes bork things up but its a handy feature
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Does that mean I can make a full nandroid backup with tibu and be able to restore it without installing a custom recovery?
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accrews2001 said:
Does that mean I can make a full nandroid backup with tibu and be able to restore it without installing a custom recovery?
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Not a nandroid.
Nandroid is your complete system backed up by a recovery
The flashable zip will just install your apps.
Look at it like GApps for CM10 or any other ROM.
Except its not Google Apps its your personal apps zip file.
And you will need a custom recovery.
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I know it is a very newbie question, but how can I keep all the apps and configuration when I switch between roms? Does restoring from nandroid backup will restore the phone and configuration to back how it was? Thanks
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nandroid backup will not keep the game data. use titanium backup that's the easiest way
nitropower said:
I know it is a very newbie question, but how can I keep all the apps and configuration when I switch between roms? Does restoring from nandroid backup will restore the phone and configuration to back how it was? Thanks
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Titanium backup will do the trick but sometimes when restoring old data I've had some issues with lots of force closes and some other unexplainable strange things going on. It's best to start fresh on a new rom.
Titanium backup is your answer
If you back up apps and data from your personally installed apps, restoring should not cause any problems. If you try to backup and restore system apps and data across different roms (ie tw and aosp), you're likely to experience some problems.
When it comes to system data, it can be hit or miss. Generally the only thing that will likely break is contacts, as each provider (samsung, htc) puts their own spin on it, and it tends to not be compatible. but if you use google to store your contacts, you should be golden. After some time you'll know which parts are compatible across all roms (within the same version family).
So, backup everything you want to keep. And make a full nandroid.
Install your new rom.
Restore your personal apps and data (like angry birds)
Make sure everything is golden.
Make a nandroid
One by one, restore any system data you want (like accounts, wifi access points, mms).
After each one, go through a reboot cycle, make sure everything works.
Nandroid and restore next system data
This way you can easily back out of a restore that breaks something without having to start over again. And you will get a feel for what's restorable and what isnt.
Beware changing back to 4.1 from 4.2. There are threads on this worth reading.
And, yes, nandroid will restore everything just like you had it, assuming you choose to backup -everything- (which is advisable).
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nitropower said:
I know it is a very newbie question, but how can I keep all the apps and configuration when I switch between roms? Does restoring from nandroid backup will restore the phone and configuration to back how it was? Thanks
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Titanium backup works like charm..but u can restore from nandroid backup too..just install nandroid manager app from play store and restore all ur data including call logs, sms n everything!!
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shakeyfingers said:
nandroid backup will not keep the game data. use titanium backup that's the easiest way
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Through philz CWM I'm currently having 3 roms in my back up. After installing a new rom, I just restore data and all my games data comes back without any problem.
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Titanium is the best thing since sliced bread. Although some apps won't give you notifications if you don't clean install them
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Titanium back, my backup pro
these 2 apps have helped me alot while trying out different roms....sometimes when titanium backup fails i use my backup pro