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Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1 or?

OK so I have an epic 4g touch and and have all kinds of goodies for it. My wife wants to get me the best tab. She thinks the Samsung galaxy tab 10.1 is best I love it also. OR I can get something within that range say ipad2, xoom, ps3, 360, psvita. I'm really loving the tab but why get it when my epic 4g touch is so much similar. I just feel like the tab is same only bigger. So I'm thinking to myself I can just get a micro HDMI and plug it in my 60'' led flat screen and just go get something else. Hmmm. I need help! Plz
What would you do????
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If this is your pick, as it seems it is, get what you want. you stated a few different things. I have A 360 and love it. I have a galaxy tab 10.1 and love it. and i have an epic touch and love it. if your looking for a toy get the 360. it really boils down to what your looking to use what you want for. a tablet is good for web browsing, videos, and i use it at school. gaming is just gaming. its fun.as for a different tab like a ipad, you probably might want to re think that if your an android platform lover like i am. they are two totally different ui systems. and as for a xoom, i would go and fiddle with it and other tablets at best buy or something. I heard the asus transformer prime is nice. it is a quad core unit.
again, its wahat YOU want. happy buying!!!

rayandreas said:
If this is your pick, as it seems it is, get what you want. you stated a few different things. I have A 360 and love it. I have a galaxy tab 10.1 and love it. and i have an epic touch and love it. if your looking for a toy get the 360. it really boils down to what your looking to use what you want for. a tablet is good for web browsing, videos, and i use it at school. gaming is just gaming. its fun.as for a different tab like a ipad, you probably might want to re think that if your an android platform lover like i am. they are two totally different ui systems. and as for a xoom, i would go and fiddle with it and other tablets at best buy or something. I heard the asus transformer prime is nice. it is a quad core unit.
again, its wahat YOU want. happy buying!!!
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Thnx alot buddy I think I am going for the tab since I can basically transfer all my goodies. But I will check out more stuff like the prime
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rayandreas said:
If this is your pick, as it seems it is, get what you want. you stated a few different things. I have A 360 and love it. I have a galaxy tab 10.1 and love it. and i have an epic touch and love it. if your looking for a toy get the 360. it really boils down to what your looking to use what you want for. a tablet is good for web browsing, videos, and i use it at school. gaming is just gaming. its fun.as for a different tab like a ipad, you probably might want to re think that if your an android platform lover like i am. they are two totally different ui systems. and as for a xoom, i would go and fiddle with it and other tablets at best buy or something. I heard the asus transformer prime is nice. it is a quad core unit.
again, its wahat YOU want. happy buying!!!
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I just saw the transformer prime....
I think I'm in love....
Prime it is...
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Blu33 said:
I just saw the transformer prime....
I think I'm in love....
Prime it is...
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Yeah, the Prime is the top dog right now.

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Yeah, the Prime is the top dog right now.
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yea I been looking at all the specs and review videos. So if I'm getting a tablet its going to be that one
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if your going to get a tablet, the prime is the one. I have EP4GT also.
I have one, is slick, great screen, fast and have ICS. Colors are not that saturated like amoled screen, but it looks good.

I have a prime and if you don't care about using it for GPS its definitely the one to get. It will not work as a stand alone nav system but it does everything else awesome. I have a Tom Tom BT GPS antenna and the Sygic app for nav that makes nav work flawless. Playing movies on a HDTV works great. Splashtop app comes on it to link your desktop or laptop to it which is really sweet.
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I have a prime and if you don't care about using it for GPS its definitely the one to get. It will not work as a stand alone nav system but it does everything else awesome. I have a Tom Tom BT GPS antenna and the Sygic app for nav that makes nav work flawless. Playing movies on a HDTV works great. Splashtop app comes on it to link your desktop or laptop to it which is really sweet.
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I heard about gps and wifi issues on it. GPS yea I wouldn't use it on a tab. Suck it don't work like it should. I have a GPS already. But then other people say it works like it should idk if they have a different version of something. There are a lot of bad comments on some of the videos like bad wifi/GPS and that it has a touch screen delay and stuff like what's the quad core for it looks like a normal dual core phone but regardless all that I think its incredible
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Blu33 said:
OK so I have an epic 4g touch and and have all kinds of goodies for it. My wife wants to get me the best tab. She thinks the Samsung galaxy tab 10.1 is best I love it also. OR I can get something within that range say ipad2, xoom, ps3, 360, psvita. I'm really loving the tab but why get it when my epic 4g touch is so much similar. I just feel like the tab is same only bigger. So I'm thinking to myself I can just get a micro HDMI and plug it in my 60'' led flat screen and just go get something else. Hmmm. I need help! Plz
What would you do????
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No tablet competes with the iPad in the user experience department. However, if you are dead set on an Android tablet for some reason, go with the Asus Transformer Prime.
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Love my Prime, Don't have too much Wifi issue but my GPS is spotty, still at first it didnt work but the latest updates helped a little. So all the problems people are talking about slow, choppy, laggy, could be fixed eventually. The 10.1" is old now, and for almost the same price you can get the Prime with quad core and have the dock (which is a major selling point) if you want. Best of both worlds, tablet and netbook.

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Love my Prime, Don't have too much Wifi issue but my GPS is spotty, still at first it didnt work but the latest updates helped a little. So all the problems people are talking about slow, choppy, laggy, could be fixed eventually. The 10.1" is old now, and for almost the same price you can get the Prime with quad core and have the dock (which is a major selling point) if you want. Best of both worlds, tablet and netbook.
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Everything sounds good so far I'm trying to get all info I possibly can before I get it Im really digging that prime. So that 10.1 is out of the question
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don't get the iPad because a new one could drop any minute PS3 won't disappoint
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kingsway8605 said:
No tablet competes with the iPad in the user experience department. However, if you are dead set on an Android tablet for some reason, go with the Asus Transformer Prime.
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I'm not going to hate on the ipad. My bro has one and its beautiful. The iPhone/ipads have always been incredibly smooth with no signs of lag ever. That's one thing I love is how smooth it is. Like when I got my epic 4g touch its really smooth I couldn't stand the lagginess of my g2x so I got this one. My bro has the iPhone 4s and I love the smoothness and he wants my phone because how big it is and the open source lol.
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ludrose said:
don't get the iPad because a new one could drop any minute PS3 won't disappoint
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One of the reasons I'm not getting the ipad is because its tighter than I ticks ass. I already have plans on rooting the prime
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If you really want the best, you must get the asus transformer prime. Don't listen to the haters, the tab is awesome. I use it every day and barely use my laptop anymore. The prime looks really sweet, is thin, nice metal finish, and has lots of firepower (tegra 3 os quad core). Asus is super quick with updates ( already got 3 maintenance updates and ics since release). Also the keyboard dock is unique feature and really expands the functionality of the tab, even if you don't wasn't the dock, you still have that option for the future.
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I'd say if you had to get something now, it should be the Prime. If you could wait a tad bit longer you could wait and see if samsung, etc. are gonna be coming out with their tablets in the near future. I also think the transformer prime HD is coming out june? supposed to have a 1900 x 1200 resolution screen. The would be insannne.

darktranquility18 said:
I'd say if you had to get something now, it should be the Prime. If you could wait a tad bit longer you could wait and see if samsung, etc. are gonna be coming out with their tablets in the near future. I also think the transformer prime HD is coming out june? supposed to have a 1900 x 1200 resolution screen. The would be insannne.
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I heard it was 1920x1080? Really picky people like myself notice things like that. My mind is definitely set on the prime. My bro is all telling me just get the PS vita you can borrow my ipad whenever. But I want my own. I'm going to test this bad boy out at my best buy. I cannot wait longer
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I keep it Samsung,epic touch galaxy tab 10.1 nd led TVs Samsung of course.all share
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Get the Transformer Prime. I have one and love it.
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[Q] How is Gaming on at&t galaxy s3

i'm thinking of getting the galaxy s3 (us version) because, i bricked my old phone so i need a new one. my old phone would run games like gta3, max payne, nova3 with lag. I was thinking that because the phone is currently the best phone you can own, it should be able to play games quite easily,BUT i have heard some people say that they got lag on some games, or gameloft games said that the device isn't compatible with the game, so i was wondering what is your personal experience, because gaming so actually pretty important to me :fingers-crossed:
P.S. The only reason i'm not getting the international version is because its out of my price range:crying:, i really don't care about LTE

I have been playing some very high end games with zero lag. The s3 is a great choice for gaming.
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I have been playing some very high end games with zero lag. The s3 is a great choice for gaming.
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thanks i just wanted to be sure before i bought the phone, and i'm sure after i root it and overclock it, it will be a beast.
Also is the white galaxy s3 hard to keep clean? Because i have heard people say that white phones get dirty easily

I have a white one and it's just like anything else. I haven't noticed it being any dirtier than say a blue one.
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I have a white one and it's just like anything else. I haven't noticed it being any dirtier than say a blue one.
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what carrier do you have? and how is the web browsing speed? One main probable i had with my current phone was that unless the brightness setting was maxed out, i couldn't use it outdoors? How is multitasking because with 2gb ram it should work flawlessly?How is battery life? i got to highschool so for the first 8 hours of the day i don't use it, and the rest of the day i play some games and listen to music, i don't mind having to charge it every night.

Shadowgun, riptide, and desert winds all play great. I have the tmobile version but they're all the same performance wise. Having two GB's of memory is awesome too. I multitasks like a boss and you never have to worry about backing out of anything.

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Shadowgun, riptide, and desert winds all play great. I have the tmobile version but they're all the same performance wise. Having two GB's of memory is awesome too. I multitasks like a boss and you never have to worry about backing out of anything.
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thanks what about gta3, mass effect, nova3

NOVA 3 is not compatible right now at least. But hopefully soon. Mass Effect used to be not compatible too but now it is. Mass Effect looks and plays good. Dead Trigger looks good too.

davidstech11 said:
NOVA 3 is not compatible right now at least. But hopefully soon. Mass Effect used to be not compatible too but now it is. Mass Effect looks and plays good. Dead Trigger looks good too.
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thanks, in august when my sprint contract runs out i'm going to switch to at&t at get the s3

davidstech11 said:
NOVA 3 is not compatible right now at least. But hopefully soon. Mass Effect used to be not compatible too but now it is. Mass Effect looks and plays good. Dead Trigger looks good too.
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+1 Dead trigger looks great and plays smooth when cranking up the quality to high.

The Sprint GS3 also does a great job at gaming
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do you think gaming wise the international version does better or the same?

i have heard people reporting that gaming is much better with the international version because of the 4cores

Looks like Nova 3 is compatible now. I checked today and its available for i747 at least. Plays well !
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What games did you play?
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contradude said:
The Sprint GS3 also does a great job at gaming
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blue265 said:
Looks like Nova 3 is compatible now. I checked today and its available for i747 at least. Plays well !
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I think as time goes by more games will become compatible, most games aren't even optimized for 4cores so that's where we have the advantage, and yet some how the i93000 make the games work even better than the SGH-I747
P.S What the difference between the SGH-I747 and the SGH-I747M?
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Hardware wise, there is absolutely no difference between i747 and i747m. Its exactly the same as At&t model. The software is really the only difference and offered by the Canadian carriers.
The i9300 gpu is probably what makes the games run like butter. The Mali outperforms the adreno from what I've read. I'm not sure if quad core would do much other than decrease loading times. If I still had my i9300 I would have compared nova 3 on both. But chose to sell it to get the LTE version. Now I find out that I can't play multiplayer over LTE on nova 3 any workaround ? It looks for wifi only for multiplayer
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Mostly shadowgun at the moment although I'm going to get dead trigger soon
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blue265 said:
Hardware wise, there is absolutely no difference between i747 and i747m. Its exactly the same as At&t model. The software is really the only difference and offered by the Canadian carriers.
The i9300 gpu is probably what makes the games run like butter. The Mali outperforms the adreno from what I've read. I'm not sure if quad core would do much other than decrease loading times. If I still had my i9300 I would have compared nova 3 on both. But chose to sell it to get the LTE version. Now I find out that I can't play multiplayer over LTE on nova 3 any workaround ? It looks for wifi only for multiplayer
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Thanks your answer was really helpful!!! and I think that the you can't use LTE for multiplayer on ANY games , I think you can only play multiplayer using wifi, I think it has something to do with the fact it would be overload in the cell towers, plus since different company's use different wave lengths, u would only be able to connect to pleople who are the same network.
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Opinion piece :Top 5 games... What do you guys think

Top 5 games on Nexus 7... What do you guys think about my picks. Disagree..? Tell me where I dropped the ball for my players choice follow up piece. Ty ahead of time.
EDIT : fixed some typos its now a better read. My apologies
Kid
http://www.androrev.com/2012/07/23/...r-your-nexus-7-cause-were-gamers-and-we-know/
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Just read it. Great list of games! I don't have a pick since I haven't really played any of those but now I kinda want to lol

Haven't played any yet but for a list now...thanks
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They look interesting...
Is there a game similar to an old game on palm called dope wars?
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Nice piece, although I would consider the Madfinger games in the list, specifically Dead Trigger. Aside from having outstanding graphics and being free, if you have an OTG adapter and plug in a PS3 gamepad, it feels like a transformed game.
In my opinion, this game is the closest to offering a console-style experience so far with a gamepad, as the controls are incredibly tight. Try it with a controller if you are able!

jpxdude said:
Nice piece, although I would consider the Madfinger games in the list, specifically Dead Trigger. Aside from having outstanding graphics and being free, if you have an OTG adapter and plug in a PS3 gamepad, it feels like a transformed game.
In my opinion, this game is the closest to offering a console-style experience so far with a gamepad, as the controls are incredibly tight. Try it with a controller if you are able!
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Madfinger game are awesome and will make my follow up. Here's why I didn't add dead trigger. It is fun but pretty mindless game play and we despise games leveraged by in app purchases. The game has no story and the games here I selected for overall depth not necessarily game play alone. I'll add it as a players choice though in my follow up and thanks very much for the feedback
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buton2 said:
They look interesting...
Is there a game similar to an old game on palm called dope wars?
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There are indeed check the play store there are several versions available
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Dead trigger Is just so good
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Top 5 games on Nexus 7... What do you guys think about my picks.
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I guess your into swords and killing stuff.
To each his own

havent tried these yet...

Those games do look awesome but I think dead trigger needs to be up there. Its the game I showcase my n7 with. Also, nothing beats a Bluetooth ps3 controller and a PlayStation emulator or any other emulator. I've been playing ff7 and ff tactics since I got my tablet.

miluardo said:
Those games do look awesome but I think dead trigger needs to be up there. Its the game I showcase my n7 with. Also, nothing beats a Bluetooth ps3 controller and a PlayStation emulator or any other emulator. I've been playing ff7 and ff tactics since I got my tablet.
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I concur dead trigger is a great game but I compare it to rinse repeat of angry birds. Same stages reprised with no substance and in app purchases. Two no no's when I decided what my 5 favorite were.
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Hemidroids said:
I guess your into swords and killing stuff.
To each his own
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I'm also in to people's opinion your comment adds zero other than giving me perspective on your name choice lol. How bout sharing an actual alternative or coming up with a better list. That's actually the point.
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Kidromulous said:
I concur dead trigger is a great game but I compare it to rinse repeat of angry birds. Same stages reprised with no substance and in app purchases. Two no no's when I decided what my 5 favorite were.
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Dead trigger gets old real fast, most of the weapons are a waste of time and so are the items and as you say, it's the same stages over and over.
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Sadly, I don't like ANY of your choices of games.
You should re-title this to top 5 action/arcade games or something.
I prefer strategy/war games and my current fav is:
Great Big War Game, esp with the multiplayer capability.

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I'm also in to people's opinion your comment adds zero other than giving me perspective on your name choice lol. How bout sharing an actual alternative or coming up with a better list. That's actually the point.
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You asked for an opinion and I gave one. It wasn't rude yet you replied with a implied insult.
Here is another opinion since you want something different.
James Holmes & Jared Loughner likely played games like that. Look where it got them and all of us.

You should read what action/arcade games are as a genre, the majority of his games are adventure/RPG..
Anyway good thread dude.
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Living how smooth monopoly is.
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miluardo said:
You should read what action/arcade games are as a genre, the majority of his games are adventure/RPG..
Anyway good thread dude.
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The android market desperately needs an adventure / RPG genre. So I think he's right in that for market categories it'd fall under action.
I like glwg too although the latest update made it unplayable on the n7. I might try gbwg. For arcade, I do like spirit xhd.
Plus, in all honesty, I think there needs to be a rating system other than opinions.
Order and chaos, while a fun game, is very slow at the point I'm at and is a little choppy for 1.5ghz and 484 GPU on a 15+ Mbit connection.
It should probably be rated based on gameplay, replay ability, game performance / app design, graphics, etc.
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phydo said:
The android market desperately needs an adventure / RPG genre. So I think he's right in that for market categories it'd fall under action.
I like glwg too although the latest update made it unplayable on the n7. I might try gbwg. For arcade, I do like spirit xhd.
Plus, in all honesty, I think there needs to be a rating system other than opinions.
Order and chaos, while a fun game, is very slow at the point I'm at and is a little choppy for 1.5ghz and 484 GPU on a 15+ Mbit connection.
It should probably be rated based on gameplay, replay ability, game performance / app design, graphics, etc.
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We do this with our full reviews. Order and Chaos played just fine for me though i did not experience any performance issues you are reporting . TY for the suggestion hopefully you like the follow up better .
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The Bards Tale

Has anyone tried The Bards Tale on their GNex? I would like to know how it runs before I download it on my device.
Thanks.
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If this is some app on the play store then this is the dumbest thread I've ever seen. Run it for urself!!!!!!

bearsblack said:
If this is some app on the play store then this is the dumbest thread I've ever seen. Run it for urself!!!!!!
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Its possible he might not the data for the download if its large or any other weird reason. Think before you talk please.
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It's also possible it's a paid app that he doesn't want to pay for only to find out that it doesn't even work.

I've bought it however I'm low on data and would like to know how it runs before throwing my data away, its 1.3gb.
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It runs on my N7 (downloaded of WiFi at home) however I left it in England and only have my GNex with me in France.
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CJHolderUK said:
I've bought it however I'm low on data and would like to know how it runs before throwing my data away, its 1.3gb.
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I don't want to purchase the app, but.. well I'll reply soon.
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Thank you for your time.
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Thank you for your time.
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Okay I've looked into it, I might actually purchase this because it looks awesome. Love RPGs but I saw reviews from the play store to internet saying it runs great with no issues. I did see someone mentioned Two versions of the game - HD/SD. I'm assuming you bought the SD version.
But yes the nexus seems to play it fine, I'm sure it might run a bit slower compared to a tablet lol but I will also say it will depend on your ROM/Kernel choice too. I'm sure there won't be issues but you never know .
Anyway hoped that helped, I really probably buy this but by the time I'm ready to purchase my info probably won't be helpful lol.
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Thank you. There is only one version of the game, just when you download it on a device with Tegra 3 (Nexus 7 ) it will give you the option for HD data that's about 3.2gb. I'm downloading it now, I've only played about an hour on my N7 but it is an awesome game, very funny. I really recommend you buy it. I'm using stock JB with root and trinity, i hope it runs well.
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Thank you. There is only one version of the game, just when you download it on a device with Tegra 3 (Nexus 7 ) it will give you the option for HD data that's about 3.2gb. I'm downloading it now, I've only played about an hour on my N7 but it is an awesome game, very funny. I really recommend you buy it. I'm using stock JB with root and trinity, i hope it runs well.
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I did, its a fantastic game so far! I'm playing with everything maximum/ water "on"/shadows all etc. Running fine with no lag.
I am however disappointed in the audio, its pretty low quality from headphones not sure about speaker. But damn its a wonderful game, this might be the only game I continue to play on my android. Besides Mcpixel another game I suggest you buy if love humor. I never usually play on my android but this game has got me skin deep lol.
Thanks for letting me know about this game.
Cheers :beer:
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I may try it out too
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I did, its a fantastic game so far! I'm playing with everything maximum/ water "on"/shadows all etc. Running fine with no lag.
I am however disappointed in the audio, its pretty low quality from headphones not sure about speaker. But damn its a wonderful game, this might be the only game I continue to play on my android. Besides Mcpixel another game I suggest you buy if love humor. I never usually play on my android but this game has got me skin deep lol.
Thanks for letting me know about this game.
Cheers :beer:
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Great to hear, glad it works well. Still downloading on my crappy conection but looking forward to it, I get very bored on the ferry. Like I said, I haven't played much but for the price you can't go wrong, they say it has 20+ hours of gameplay. Have fun
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I may try it out too
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Definitely go for it. if you're uncertain just read the reviews on Google play, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Shadowgun deadzone 15th November

Madfinger games have announced the free to play shadowgun deadzone will be released on the 15th November. Check out the launch trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P_v5nMH9go&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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New maps! F**k yeah!

About time! That USB OTG cable I've just bought will finally get some decent usage Fed up of playing the same 2 game modes on the same 2 maps all the time...
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I'm level 3 now, can't wait for the final version!

Awesome! How likely is it that our progress gets wiped for the proper release?

Yer its gonna be great.
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Probably quite likely. But maybe if you sign into the final product with the i.d you use now you may get a reward of some sort for taking part in the beta. Would make sense.
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so after the last reset, i thought ill try another weapon. working on plasma and shottie like in previous games seems boring, and noob tube is just too expensive. i dont have that much time to play.
so i bought an assault rifle.
holy macarron. playing with lv1 - 3 with that thing is a walk in a park.
the clip is big enough and the bullet really hurts.

It would really annoy me if they start charging for it. They better not
And take out the noob tubes
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i'd be happy if i got to stay at level 7 where i am currently...

markj338 said:
It would really annoy me if they start charging for it. They better not
And take out the noob tubes
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I'm sure there will be some in app purchase or something along those lines. They are making a great game and they need to make money somehow. Imagine if we went to work for nothing. I'm sure we can progressively earn money to buy weapons.

ROFLkopter said:
About time! That USB OTG cable I've just bought will finally get some decent usage Fed up of playing the same 2 game modes on the same 2 maps all the time...
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I just brought one of those USB otg cable. I was just wondering how u gonna use the cable with this game?
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ralg0528 said:
I just brought one of those USB otg cable. I was just wondering how u gonna use the cable with this game?
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With a ps3 controller?
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ÜBER™ said:
With a ps3 controller?
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That or wired 360 controller, maybe even other USB gamepads
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