... and it's unbelievably GORGEOUS!
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... and it's unbelievably GORGEOUS!
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What is sky safari? is it like google sky kinda?
Edit I just checked it out on the market and it looks really cool but Unless you are into astronomy 40.00 is alot of money for a app.
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What is sky safari? is it like google sky kinda?
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Dude paid $40 for an app?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.southernstars.skysafari_pro&hl=en
so he's probably part of the sky safari team promoting his product ^_^
If I paid $40 for an app the least I would expect would be that it would make the phone walk into the kitchen an make me a coffee
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No, no, no boodies, you cynic.
I have no relationship whatsoever with Sky Safari, Southern Stars, etc.
mojorisin guessed it: I'm an amateur astronomer (20" f/5 telescope in the garage).
And on my GNII, in "compass mode", touring the heavens is simply stunning.
BTW - if you're not into forking out $40, the regular version for $3 is for the casual observer (but without as many of the deep sky objects that I can see with my scope).
Again, no relationship with them...
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No, no, no boodies, you cynic.
I have no relationship whatsoever with Sky Safari, Southern Stars, etc.
mojorisin guessed it: I'm an amateur astronomer (20" f/5 telescope in the garage).
And on my GNII, in "compass mode", touring the heavens is simply stunning.
BTW - if you're not into forking out $40, the regular version for $3 is for the casual observer (but without as many of the deep sky objects that I can see with my scope).
Again, no relationship with them...
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I'm not as much of a cynic as others around here, and I don't think you're any kind of shill for the company making the program. Even if you are, thank you for sharing this post, I had never heard of the program and it looks very interesting to the casual astronomer like me.
Clear skies!
To the cynics, how else do expect to hear about new programs if people don't share them in the forms like this? Are you expecting just read about them in blogs that only care about getting hits? A cool new app that takes full advantage of our huge beautiful screen on the galaxy note 2 sure is interesting to me.
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So you're the one! Hahaha just kidding. I was just weary of people with extremely low post counts creating threads to promote stuff.
Here's a nice video of it in action, check it out~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2FW25WUXGE
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PS - What's funny is I was looking for a nice Sega Planetarium for my room the last couple days.
Lmao $40 for an app.... not to mention Google images is free, I can look up into the sky at night with just the tilt of my head lol ha
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Lmao $40 for an app.... not to mention Google images is free, I can look up into the sky at night with just the tilt of my head lol ha
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It's $2.99 for the version most of us would use.
I'm going to check it out one evening what I can see it in full action, but still be able to refund if it's not that much better than Google Sky Map.
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So you're the one! Hahaha just kidding. I was just weary of people with extremely low post counts creating threads to promote stuff.
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Nah, I'm just a lurker...
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Nah, I'm just a lurker...
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That wasn't meant at you btw. But maybe you are, considering how you're bumping this thread. ^_^
Maybe you can see heaven for 40 dollars.
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Maybe you can see heaven for 40 dollars.
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No just need a ladder made from randomness lol
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Related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h5JSojJN3Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Love it
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Haha pretty good I think
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I am creative. Dude your a barista! Classical
Phandroid posted it but didn't have a link, thanks! I wanted to see it.
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I am creative. Dude your a barista! Classical
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Yeah that part was hilarious. Great commercial, stupid iSheep
It burns when I tapatalk...
One of the best commercials I have seen in a long time
They left out the part where iPhones get OS updates for two years and the samsung never gets one.
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yeah, and the wired headset doesn't work....yet!!!
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They left out the part where iPhones get OS updates for two years and the samsung never gets one.
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You hater man, why do you own a Samsung phone. Get a nexus if you care about updates so much.
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They left out the part where iPhones get OS updates for two years and the samsung never gets one.
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your on xda if your worried about updates install a rom that has them.
I love the "Well if it looks the same, how will people know I upgraded" line. So typical of iPhone users. LoL
This is awesome!
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Awesome
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Thanks for this. It made me literally lol! Good stuff.
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Lol. That was great.
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You hater man, why do you own a Samsung phone. Get a nexus if you care about updates so much.
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We don't need no stinking updates!!!!
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your on xda if your worried about updates install a rom that has them.
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I could deal with reading through forums finding a mostly bug free rom and installing updates from some stranger crossing my fingers and hoping I didn't just join a botnet, or I could just buy an iphone and be done with it. To each his own I guess, but I for one am done with Android, I know Apple will take care of me until my hardware can no longer support it (with the obvious exception of Siri - probably has to do with server side capacity).
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I could deal with reading through forums finding a mostly bug free rom and installing updates from some stranger crossing my fingers and hoping I didn't just join a botnet, or I could just buy an iphone and be done with it. To each his own I guess, but I for one am done with Android, I know Apple will take care of me until my hardware can no longer support it (with the obvious exception of Siri - probably has to do with server side capacity).
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Because these devs are so malicious, eh?
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I could deal with reading through forums finding a mostly bug free rom and installing updates from some stranger crossing my fingers and hoping I didn't just join a botnet, or I could just buy an iphone and be done with it. To each his own I guess, but I for one am done with Android, I know Apple will take care of me until my hardware can no longer support it (with the obvious exception of Siri - probably has to do with server side capacity).
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Love the posts where people come on here to trash android, glorify apple and diss the devs. Have fun with your iphone then buh-bye.
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Love the posts where people come on here to trash android, glorify apple and diss the devs. Have fun with your iphone then buh-bye.
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Not troll, just don't like giving low level device access to unknown people, xda dev or not.
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I had enough of this phone
Brb crappy battery life even with everything off
Brb still on 4.0.1 after half a year
Brb brbing
Got a 4S and this phone has been nothing but awesome so far, amazing battery life, timely updates, camera is AWESOME! And app variety is much better and smoother on iOS
Yeah I've moved to the dark side, only because the nexus has been nothing but disappointments, also some people on this forum aren't helpful at all, I posted a thread asking why my battery life is crap, all I got were "herp derp OP is a troll"
Goodbye people
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Looks like that guy was right about you.
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Thank goodness...
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Why would you buy a 4S right before the 5 comes out? lol.
Anyways, have fun with that. Glad you found the right device for you.
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Why would you buy a 4S right before the 5 comes out? lol.
Anyways, have fun with that. Glad you found the right device for you.
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Got it for cheap from a friend
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we care SO MUCH. our attention will be showered upon you, reverent of your shining glory due to buying a phone!
for serious: put the nexus on craigslist and make someone's day
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we care SO MUCH. our attention will be showered upon you, reverent of your shining glory due to buying a phone!
for serious: put the nexus on craigslist and make someone's day
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You obviously do since u bothered to post ITT lol
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I don't even see the iPhone as a smart phone its a simple touch screen that just works simple phone for simple people. Who the hell is still running 4.1
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Enjoy the fake leather/fake wood boredom. Man iOS isn't that bad, but the UI screams Win Vista. Simply meh...
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Enjoy the fake leather/fake wood boredom. Man iOS isn't that bad, but the UI screams Win Vista. Simply meh...
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And the linen. SO MUCH LINEN.
Successful troll. 9/10
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I think I'm about to switch to iPhone after reading this post.
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subxero123 said:
I had enough of this phone
Brb crappy battery life even with everything off
Brb still on 4.0.1 after half a year
Brb brbing
Got a 4S and this phone has been nothing but awesome so far, amazing battery life, timely updates, camera is AWESOME! And app variety is much better and smoother on iOS
Yeah I've moved to the dark side, only because the nexus has been nothing but disappointments, also some people on this forum aren't helpful at all, I posted a thread asking why my battery life is crap, all I got were "herp derp OP is a troll"
Goodbye people
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Nice switch! The Nexus was a huge disappoint in my opinion.
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You sir are amazing. I don't know if to laugh or cry. You are actually doing what someone called you. Being a troll, since you know people here aren't very fond of iPhones for whatever reason and you still posted this. But congrats on your new toy kiddo.
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Glad you made the switch............ We'll see you back in here in about a month.
This is slightly relevant because it's Samsung related..... 30 trucks pulled into apple's cali. Headquarters to pay apple 1 billion $
The 30 trucks were filled with all nickels!!!!
Hahaha lmao.... I call that a slap in the face... take this apple!!!!!
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It is pretty funny buy it isn't true
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Really they have pics on g+....??? U could be right thow.... I really don't know but that's what's going around..... who knows... so many lires and drama queens... I just thought it was funny....
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Already threads on the matter otherwise I wouldn't know damn thing about the trucks and stuff lol. I doubt it, but wish it did happen. Bullies will bullies but the smart ones always prevail. That's what I'm wishing for. They got the lunch money but Samsung/Google will prevail and be the "millionaires" at the high school reunion in 5-10 years.
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Really? Samsung was able to get a hold of 20,000,000,000 nickels?
Idiot.
They are going to appeal first, genius.
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Really? Samsung was able to get a hold of 20,000,000,000 nickels?
Idiot.
They are going to appeal first, genius.
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I'd go with pennies but still it would be a funny news headline.
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Why would Samsung even pay Apple when they're going to appeal everything?
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Really they have pics on g+....??? U could be right thow.... I really don't know but that's what's going around..... who knows... so many lires and drama queens... I just thought it was funny....
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So....many...lires
It's official I'm an idiot.... lol.... but it was still a funny story..... ur right u don't pay and everything is on hold until appeals go threw.... guess I'm gullible.... still think it would be funny thow.... should of researched it more.... but I say they still should do it!!
[email protected]#* @pple!
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It's official I'm an idiot.... lol.... but it was still a funny story..... ur right u don't pay and everything is on hold until appeals go threw.... guess I'm gullible.... still think it would be funny thow.... should of researched it more.... but I say they still should do it!!
[email protected]#* @pple!
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thumbs up to you dude for admitting it! it is funny and you took people calling you an idiot like a man with out getting defensive and resorting to their level. Enjoy life and continue to live the fun life you are. Here is to you sir. I'm not being a smart ass btw.
That was awesome ... well done! I was expecting to see this turn ugly and you kept your chin up making sure it stays cool in here. Wish I could thank that post more than once.
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thumbs up to you dude for admitting it! it is funny and you took people calling you an idiot like a man with out getting defensive and resorting to their level. Enjoy life and continue to live the fun life you are. Here is to you sir. I'm not being a smart ass btw.
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+1 to that.
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Check this out http://techfanatix.com/apple-pours-...ngers/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
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That is CRAZY!!!!!
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Ridiculous. I would say it will never happen...but with the way the last lawsuit turned out I don't know anymore lol.
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Nobody is going to pay anything to anybody if there is a way to appeal the decision...and Samsung is appealing this one. Why do people pass around this mindless garbage without the tiniest bit of due diligence? Facebook has created generations of morons..or at least exposed them.
After about an hour in Best Buy and their new "Samsung" section... my GF will be buying the GS4 this summer (her upgrade is in June) and will be switching after being an iPhone/iPad/iPod (etc) user for 2+ years. HOORAY ANDROID!
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Now marry the woman! Lol
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daniel4653 said:
Now marry the woman! Lol
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WOAHHH THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slow your roll.... I'm only 21 man!!
Joe0113 said:
WOAHHH THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slow your roll.... I'm only 21 man!!
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Luke he said, marry her lmao
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Don't get your hopes up too high. Women change their minds like they change clothes before a party. " This summer" could be a few weeks or months and who knows.
Makes perfect sense
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Why do you care which phone your wife is using. You should let her use whatever phone she likes, not trying to "convert" her. It's a phone, not a relIgion.
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Why do you care which phone your wife is using. You should let her use whatever phone she likes, not trying to "convert" her. It's a phone, not a relIgion.
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I don't think he cares... I think he's saying it would be nice to see her use something else besides an apple product.
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I don't think he cares... I think he's saying it would be nice to see her use something else besides an apple product.
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BINGGGOO! Plus she's always complaining how slow her phone is, how it's always freezing, always draining the battery from 100%-0% within 5 hours, and a bunch more things. Will be nice to see her with a great phone and not a stupid crApple phone! Plus now we can do this if ya catch my drift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvB3msfJYdk
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WOAHHH THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slow your roll.... I'm only 21 man!!
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Haha!! Of course i was kidding man! Take your time Lol
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thats nice no offense but who cares
colonel.shepard said:
thats nice no offense but who cares
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Why comment??? :banghead::what:
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Joe0113 said:
WOAHHH THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slow your roll.... I'm only 21 man!!
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I got married at 21. Happily married for six years.
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Married at 22. Best decision I ever made.
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Why comment??? :banghead::what:
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My words exactly
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My words exactly
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No. Your comment was "thats nice no offense but who cares" aka you should've probably kept your mouth shut and just moved onto the next thread if had nothing relevant to the convo.
There's a lot of wives on their husbands accounts today...
Congrats. When we went phone shopping I told my wife I would only buy her a phone if she left her iPhone and got the S3. Lol two days after we got are phones she gave her iPhone away and never looked back. She loves the NFC and ease of picture sharing.
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There's a lot of wives on their husbands accounts today...
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LOL. I remember this thread I saw once and that said something like "Someone please help me, I'm logged into my husbands account and I saw that another member was sending him pictures through PM, what can I do?"
And everyone was like "Get marriage counseling." until a mod closed the thread haha
I don't see why you call it crApple. I personally like iPhones. They are just boring. They are good for people who want something simple, or don't have the time to customize. Sure, apple likes to squeeze every cent out in some places. But when you think about it, up till the iPhone 5, every apple product used the same charger. Everything was synced through iTunes. I love using iTunes. I wish android and apple would work together so I could sync using iTunes. You don't need to convert her if she likes it.
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Look it up. :trooper:
Saw this and said this would be an excellent add on for our phones! So I'm just sharing what I found.
Something I'll be getting once released...
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Notice in the pic that the camera attachment is not covering the phone camera!!:thumbup:
Full details can be found here:
Dubbed*DSC-QX10 and DSC-QX100, the two lenses are said to incorporate almost all the camera hardware into the lens body itself -- so sensor, image processor, Wifi and NFC connectivity and an SD card slot. As previously reported, the accessory attaches to the back of smartphones and connects over Wifi*(after being paired through NFC), allowing you to use your phone as an oversized viewfinder. Significantly, today's report says the lenses will support both Android and iOS, meaning you won't necessarily need a Sony phone to use these camera add-ons.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/12/...ras/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Here's another link with pricing details and announcement date!!
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-qx10-and-qx100-manual-leaks/
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Bro this is freaking Awesome. Nice find. I love my Accessories!!!
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Bro this is freaking Awesome. Nice find. I love my Accessories!!!
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Omg..... Lol
G7Baker said:
Bro this is freaking Awesome. Nice find. I love my Accessories!!!
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Thanx +1 on the Accessories!
WOW that kinda looks like me with my stuff. I have practically everything you have there! Just different product brands!! Minus a few things. Probably just a few cases
I'm missing...
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Omg..... Lol
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LOL
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All I have is a extra battery and case haha
twanskys204 said:
All I have is a extra battery and case haha
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Lol you gotta add some stuff T, usb otg#1, hdmi mhl adapter, external speaker etc. I actually have a Beatbox speaker, excellent sound!
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I'm thinking of the otg but Donno yet.. Note 3 comes out soon..
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I'm thinking of the otg but Donno yet.. Note 3 comes out soon..
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Yeah I know. Lol
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I think I'd actually be interested in something like this. I wonder how it'd work. Probably more than that though... I wonder how much it'd cost...
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I think I'd actually be interested in something like this. I wonder how it'd work. Probably more than that though... I wonder how much it'd cost...
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How it works in th OP... price is tbo!
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More info in the OP now. New link & Possible pricing and release date!!
Enjoy if your a gadget freak like me!
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So cool. Thanks man
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Awesome thanks
It's official now...:thumbup:
http://androidandme.com/2013/09/dev...0-and-qx100-smart-lenses-officially-announced
EDIT: after watching the Video:thumbup:.
Taking pics with the lens not attached to your phone excellent feature!!:thumbup::thumbup:
I know for a fact that I'll be purchasing one, of these gadgets once released TO the public...
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Bajanman said:
It's official now...:thumbup:
http://androidandme.com/2013/09/dev...0-and-qx100-smart-lenses-officially-announced
EDIT: after watching the Video:thumbup:.
Taking pics with the lens not attached to your phone excellent feature!!:thumbup::thumbup:
I know for a fact that I'll be purchasing one, of these gadgets once released TO the public...
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I'm definitely getting one!
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cashyftw said:
I'm definitely getting one!
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+1:thumbup::thumbup:
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Bajanman said:
+1:thumbup::thumbup:
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It's a little laggy, but looks pretty damn cool.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/sony-qx100-qx10-lens-cameras/
Would be nice to have a "don't transfer images to my phone" mode.
barry99705 said:
It's a little laggy, but looks pretty damn cool.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/sony-qx100-qx10-lens-cameras/
Would be nice to have a "don't transfer images to my phone" mode.
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The video I posted in the OP isn't laggy at all. Think it's because they were using that Crapple phone
Can't wait to test these gadgets out..
I'm personally looking at the QX100...
I'll get the QX10 for my girl, so will have both!
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Bajanman said:
The video I posted in the OP isn't laggy at all. Think it's because they were using that Crapple phone
Can't wait to test these gadgets out..
I'm personally looking at the QX100...
I'll get the QX10 for my girl, so will have both!
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They were using a Sony android phone for the bigger camera. It's the upload lag that I'm talking about. My old Digital Rebel which has a real moving mirror shoots faster than this thing because of that.
barry99705 said:
They were using a Sony android phone for the bigger camera. It's the upload lag that I'm talking about. My old Digital Rebel which has a real moving mirror shoots faster than this thing because of that.
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Ok I understand! And yeah slr will shoot faster. As it should. I already have one of those myself. And lugging around those are a pain, it's always strapped to your neck. Unless your walking with single poll tripod stick!
Think you're missing the point , it's nice to have that true zoom capability. Not digital zoom, but optical! That's why I like it. Nice & compact..
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