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[Q] Is there any sense in using Sense? =]

I mean, what will I lose if I choose to use a rom without sense?
Do I get less battery drain?

you'll lose:
Sense Launcher, Sense Widgets - this can be fully replaced by Launcher Plus Pro, or, if you don't like the look of Sense Widgets by ADW.Launcher
Sense programs, like mail, calendar, ...
FM Radio
HTC Sync - you won't be able to sync your Desire calendar with Outlook directly any longer. You'll have to buy third party software to do this via the Google cloud or you use an Exchange Server.
Because the HTC Froyo source got released now, as it seems, you'll also be able to undervolt Sense ROMs now.
However, non Sense ROMs are lighter, more customized and contain some essential features which I miss on Sense ROMs: Bluetooth HID support.

Why get rid of sense?, its amazing!!!

you will also loose htc dialer and htc contacts

I love sense because of the widgets I keep it for that.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Agreed. I love everything about sense. It makes the phone great. If I wanted senseless I could have bought an N1.

Sense is the reason desire is the best smart phone! I would not dream having a smartphone without it...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Sense is very nice but I see that there are many roms that don't contain it. So, I was wondering if it realy is neasecery, or what is better in a non-sense rom, and if a non-sense rom is less hungry for battery

I have two Desires - one has a Sense ROM and the other is running CyanogenMod. There are one or two small things I prefer about the CyanogenMod ROM, but a great deal more I prefer about Sense, but there are others on this forum who will tell you the opposite, and be equally correct because it is just an opinion.
One thing I will say though is that you will often hear that non-Sense ROMs are "faster" than Sense ROMs. In my experience, if there is a speed difference, you can only really tell in benchmarks - in general use I feel my Sense phone is every bit as fast as my CyanogenMod phone. The same is true on battery life - both seem to sip about the same amount of power.
I don't think there is any real alternative other than trying out a non-Sense ROM for yourself and making your own choice.
Regards,
Dave

You can undervolt Sense roms of course. Also now with S-Off you can remove the Sense apps you dont need easily from the phone.
After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
Respect to all the rom makers Sense or non.Sense.

Thanks for all the responses, you helped a lot =]

Nutsonfire said:
After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
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Mhh, something wasn't working properly then. With very light use I can also get 3 days battery life.
Else it's difficult to compare, because it heavily depends on how you use the phone. Playing around, surfing, ... drastically reduces battery life.
However, at the moment I use DeFroST 5.0 with HAVS kernel and the battery life looks perfect to me.
Nutsonfire said:
Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
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Should be fixed now. AOSP roms had a few issues, but at it seems as if they're ironed out.
Nutsonfire said:
Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
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Somehow true, sometimes, but sense roms also have bugs often, and a not working revision, which gets fixed in the next release.
So if you want a stable ROM use the stock. If you want some customization, use a custom sense rom. If you don't use sense features, replaced it with other apps/widgets/tools, and need some AOSP rom features, then get an AOSP rom.

i dont have a Desire atm, but i plan on getting one soon (or possibly the DHD). I like sense, especially the new one which allows you to theme it. But something i've noticed with sense compared to stock is that HTC have removed a lot of animations. Like when opening an app or closing it. It instantly opens or closes with no animation. Stock android has a sort of zoom in zoom out animations.
From what i understand, HTC have set the options to "Some animations" in the settings by default. Could someone here go into Settings, Sound and Display, Animations, and set it to All Animations and report here if they see any changes?

htc contacts, gallery , dialer , camera and video , radio, weather ,friendstream are light years and galaxies far away from the aosp android ones...

Rate your tested roms

I didn't found any threads like this one so i decided to make one.
This thread is realy simply. Tell us what roms you have tested, your experience with them and your rating. (0-10/10 rating system)
My Tested roms so far (only one lol)
Leedroid 2.2e:
This sense rom works like a charm for me , Never had a force close or random restart. Only have had one laggy moment that was about 3 sec long.
My score: 9.8/10
Only got my desire yesterday, so haven't been able to test other roms so far. planning on test ALL desire roms tonight

Leedroid 2.2e 9/10
RCMixHD 11 5/10
RCTouch .02 7/10 if Camera worked 10/10
DeFrost 5.9 4/10
MIUI 10.22 7/10
Cyanogenmod 6 3/10

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Leedroid 2.2e 9/10
RCMixHD 11 5/10
RCTouch .02 7/10 if Camera worked 10/10
DeFrost 5.9 4/10
MIUI 10.22 7/10
Cyanogenmod 6 3/10
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Would love if you could tell what you like/dislike about the different roms

Cyanogenmod 6 - (5/10)
I found myself wanting to install CM as soon as I rooted my desire, but the nightlies just weren't cutting it for me, just a few FC's and GPS errors at the wrong times made this ROM very unstable for me... Last I flashed was somewhere around September 20th I love the features being implimented and I look forward to a real stable release​
Pre-rooted Stock Froyo (2.10.405.2) (9/10)
This rom was the only other rom I have installed and LOVE it, with all the "optional mods" I have fine tuned and tweaked the stock ROM to exactly what I think it should be, (Deodexed Mod, A2SD+, POWERSAVING MODPACK, Super Circle Battery Mod, etc...) along with Launcher Pro and the HTC dialer, the only thing is the speed, but its not too noticable... a very good stable stock rom!​

DeFroST, OD and cm6: 10
All that sense rubbish: 0
Simply because the cyanogenmod mods will blow your brains out.
*******Sense fans - don't flame me, just my option that everyone is entitled to********

42turkeys said:
DeFroST, OD and cm6: 10
All that sense rubbish: 0
Simply because the cyanogenmod mods will blow your brains out.
*******Sense fans - don't flame me, just my option that everyone is entitled to********
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Is Cyanogenmod realy that good? tryed the beta on wildfire and it was really bad :/

Stock Sense ROM: 6/10 - Stable, Sense (htc sync) - great for starters, but no BT HID support, no A2SD+, no customization
Other Sense ROMs: 8/10 - Same as stock sense with a few tweaks which makes it pretty good and usable. However, the important thing, BT HID, remains unchanged. It's also bloated with Sense which advanced users don't really use any longer, so I don't see a sense in Sense any longer
CyanogenMod: 5/10 - Customizable, BT HID support, but bloated with pre-installed apps and poor Desire support. It also lacks, as all AOSP Roms do a good Desire - Outlook synchronization.
OpenDesire: 7/10 - Better than native CM, BT HID, better Desire support, won't be updated in the future
DeFroST: 9/10 - Much better than CM, not bloated, reduced to the basic apps, totally customizable, HAVS Kernel, lots of themes and stable, BT HID. Why not 10 points? General AOSP issue with sync, and the update rate is really high and a lot of updates aren't stable. So you have to be careful in flashing the latest ROMs and maybe skip one, two, or three updates until you get a stable again. It's a ROM for tech lovers, to play around with the Desire and maximizing its use.

I was running the latest stable version of Defost when I first rooted my desire. I could only score it maybe a 5/10 as it wouldn't send MMS msgs and wouldn't connect to my cars Bluetooth system?
Went over to Cyanogen and all my issues were resolved. Cyanogen 8/10, it would get 10/10 but I sometimes get the occasional phone rebooting on it's own?
Also how many of you guys have used the Alpharev to S-off your devices? Should I go for it?
HTC Desire. Cyanogen 6.0.2. S-ON

OpenDesire not updated anymore?
UpSpin said:
OpenDesire: 7/10 - Better than native CM, BT HID, better Desire support, won't be updated in the future
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Thanks for the input. Just curious: how do you know that OpenDesire won't be updated anymore?

@x5starguerillaa
As always, there's no perfect rom for each user. Some love that others this. I don't use MMS, an overpriced piece of junk in my opinion. SMS useless already, however, not everyone has a Smartphone, else I just use E-Mail. So I never noticed that something isn't working. That's why I don't complain
I have S-OFF, but never used the received freedom. Hadn't a use for it yet.
So no, it's not necessary, do it only if you really need it.
@Wekkel
Read in following order:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8439017&postcount=7387
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8503351&postcount=7744
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8502826&postcount=7731
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8439336&postcount=7397

OpenDesire update query
Thanks. To me, it seems OD will be made a bare ROM and that updates will still be pushed via the included update_program.
Just trying to figure out whether Android 2.3 will be slipstreamed into OD at a certain moment

@ UpSpin.
Thanks for the info on S-Off. I suppose if I get more advanced then I may go ahead but I shall leave it for now.
And on Defrost Vs Cyanogen; I probably would have stuck with defrost had it not been for the Bluetooth issue. The customization options on defrost were better and installing different kernel's and stuff was a breeze thanks to its UI. I would go back to it if there was a workaround to fix my Bluetooth connectivity? Do you know of one?
HTC Desire. Cyanogen 6.0.2. S-ON

Can't decided on what non sense Rom to use. Maybe Miui if it had Swedish dictonary.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Sense HD 10/10
MIUI 9/10
But I love Sense UI, hence why I got a Desire instead of a Nexus.
Sent from my HTC Desire

LeeDrOiD 2.2x
For sure the best Sense Rom - pretty stable and very well maintained. Great Community plus Website and people who care about it. I dislike Sense (see below), so i give it
8/10
MIUI 10.x
Interessting aspects of different GUI Design, nice approach, and a "must have seen" rom. Unfortunatly not my taste, since i like functionality as much as design
7/10
DeFrost
Obviously much love and work in it, but i hate to say i was disappointed. Where is the good stuff of cyanogenmod? Poor shell, no dropbear(sshd), not even htop? Hey, i am a linux freak, if you take away all the great linux stuff from cyanogenmod, what is left?
5/10
CyanogenMod 6.1 / nightlys
One word: Awsome!
Android 2.2.1, which none of the sense roms features
Aditional functionality like the notification-powerbar
insanely fast. if you are used to sense, you first go "wow, why is everything so smooth and fast?", if you play 3d games, you go "wow, why do i have no lags anymore and a stable framerate?", if you watch video from your cifs-server with arcmedia, you go "wow, why do videos start so fast, and why is skipping in the video not lagging like hell?"
i know all you guys love sense soooo much, but face it, sense is pure crap from system design view, looks nice, yes, but nothing you cannot replace with an even better app from the market. you get the weather clock widget, far better email apps and everything you miss on sense.
so the downside is (based on personal taste) missing some sense stuff, but the upside is always latest android, extreme speed, stability and the biggest community of all roms. not only one dev repackaging some htc stuff, but a whole crew compiling their own stuff. go for it!
10/10

Best Sense ROM:
LeeDroid 2.2x - used it since 2.2a, and haven't had an issue since. First few days will be a bit slow while it rebuilds its cache, but after that is smooth sailing. Left it because... I found out I don't need HTC Sense. Other Sense ROM that I've tried = MoDaCo, which wasn't as smooth or feature packed as LeeDroid.
Best AOSP ROM:
DeFrost is my personal favourite AOSP ROM. I have tried OpenDesire 4.0.36 and Cyanogen 6.0.1, but I kinda prefer DeFrost setup and it's overall look and feel. Definitely fast and smooth, IMO. And I love LauncherPro too
Final words; there are things in HTC Sense that you might not notice until it's gone, like the blue notification LED, text reflow, Friendstream (yes, I think it's better than the Facebook app), and having a the stock HTC settings (I answer a lot of questions in another forum, you see...) so sometimes I miss LeeDroid too

LeeDroid:
Best sense rom out there, but personally I prefer nonsense 10/10 for stability and great design though, if sense is your thing
MIUI:
I want to like it, I want to use it, but the lack of an app drawer in the main launcher is a real killer, and needs ext4 supporting, stable app2sd. 7/10 for now, will be 11/10 when those 2 things are fixed
Cyanogenmod: great rom, havent used since 6.0 though as I prefer defrost. still a 9/10 for great features/stability and support
Defrost: The best, most stable one out there in my opinion! has all the great features of cyanogenmod, a great OTA update system, and does everything I want it to. I always go back to it after trying others out

Miui -- Best battery life I have ever experienced.
Cyanogen -- Most stable.

celestialspring said:
Miui hands down. Best battery life I have ever experienced.
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Cyanogen 6.1, five and a half hours of sleep, 2% battery drain. Does miui use less?
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mad-murdock said:
Cyanogen 6.1, five and a half hours of sleep, 2% battery drain. Does miui use less?
Sent from my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
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I lost like 1% overnight 10hrs plus (wifi / gps / bt switched off)
but have now moved to cyanogen as Miui did not let me choose which account I wanted to add a new contact to. May be there is a way.

[Q] Cyanogen 7 vs. Android Revolution?

Hey guys, as the title really!
I've been a long term user of Android Revolution (flashed the day I got my Desire HD!) but I've recently switched to Cyanogen 7 to check it out, and I'm pretty impressed.
Mike1986 has just released 5.1.10 which looks awesome, I'm just wondering if anyone has any comparisons between the two ROMS in term of speed/battery life?
Thanks!

I have tried a few sense roms(including AR) and cyanogenmod pretty much beats them in every aspect(speed, battery life, general usability)...
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

If you want the stock HTC Sense look and feel then go with Android Revolution. However if you want Android as Google intended then use Cyanogenmod.
Personally i liked both ROM's but i just couldn't give up Sense in the end.

I'm guessing they're both similar in terms of optimisation and performance tweaks? ARHD boasts a massive amount of tweaks in their thread but I can't seem to find much regarding C7.

AR is fast and the life span of the battery is quit good but the gps signal was very poor compare to CM7 is really good on detecting gps signal. So far was not much comment except the gps problem from the sense rom.

I really like CyanogenMod more even though I love some of the functions on Sense like the clock and usb connection features eg: internet passthrough.
I tried out Android Revolution HD but in the end I went back to CyanogenMod. ARHD is just not as fast because of Sense and it takes a lot longer to boot up too.

I am using ARHD and i am very impressed, by now i dont have any intention to change it
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dunks1 said:
I'm guessing they're both similar in terms of optimisation and performance tweaks? ARHD boasts a massive amount of tweaks in their thread but I can't seem to find much regarding C7.
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If you wanted to read over the tweaks list for CM7 you'd have to invest a couple of hours of your time! While ARHD has plenty of tweaks, these are essential modifications of the stock ROM. CM7 is built from the ground up and has low level code modifications from some very bright minds indeed. From kernel and driver tweaks to the ARM optimisations, CM7 is always a step ahead in this respect.
Regards.

I don't use rosie (or any of the sense widgets therefore) but do like some of the sense apps - people, dialer, calendar etc are all better than stock. Does cyanogen keep these?

I used ARHD no sense for a while (tested CM 6 and a few others) but since CM7 was released I will stick to it. Simply the best and fastest rom in my opinion.
Latest CM7 Nightly + LordMod UE UUV + 26.09.04.11 Radio seems to be the best combination for my DHD

In my opinion Android Revolution is better, because it looks better for me.

Tamen said:
I don't use rosie (or any of the sense widgets therefore) but do like some of the sense apps - people, dialer, calendar etc are all better than stock. Does cyanogen keep these?
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no, it does not, but you can still use ARHD with the no-sense mod which keeps those "sense" apps

the only thing i like about sense rom is the frienstream and the camera.

Thanks for the replies guys!
I've changed back to CM7 with a custom kernel (LorDModUE V4.0 BFSv404), I can't see me changing this for a while!

I really like ARHD no-Sense. So, if Cyanogen will be released and be cool than ARHD - maybe will be migrated..

chardd23 said:
the only thing i like about sense rom is the frienstream and the camera.
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Might be a stupid question but, you can't use the camera if you're not running sense???

Zbor said:
Might be a stupid question but, you can't use the camera if you're not running sense???
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You can't use the Sense camera app, you generally get the stock Android one instead. Some people prefer HTC's version, I don't use either so I can't really comment.
//Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk, all errors entirely intentional.

To be honest, ARHD and CM7 both are good ROM, but CM7 have one big issue that can't solve until now.. the wired headset not working...
Speed wise, both not much different.
ARHD look much better...

Shinobee said:
To be honest, ARHD and CM7 both are good ROM, but CM7 have one big issue that can't solve until now.. the wired headset not working...
Speed wise, both not much different.
ARHD look much better...
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WHAT!?!?!?! LOL!!! Dude, headset is working perfectly! I'm using it almost every day. The thing is that you have to configure your phone properly. It can easily be messed up by music apps.
Shinobee and Dod6 - you can configure CM7 to make it look the way you want. If you put a little work into it, the UI may look waaay better that Sense and won't require that much from the phone.

Just flashed arhd the other day and thought it was very nice, I've moved onto virtuous unity 2.39 now and I must say that I find it much smoother and more responsive. I'm probably gonna stick with this for a while but I've decided that my next ROM must be non sense so add to broaden my horizons, likely to be cyanogen 7 as a first choice.

[Q] Sense or no sense?

Basically I'd like to be persuaded as to whether to use a sense rom (e.g ARHD) or a nosense rom (e.g CM7). And if I use CM7 can I install the HTC dialer and messaging app?
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Previously I was using ARHD (sense) and go launcher, and I've just updated to the new ARHD with sense 3. As much as I like it, it's not quite as minimalist as I liked with go launcher and my battery life is not as good (sense is a battery hod, no denying).
I'm tempted to go the other way; CM7 with no sense features. What are the advantages of this? Why do some people prefer no sense?
Can I install the sense APKs of the apps I like? The htc dialer is great, as is the messaging/

I can't answer all your questions however I recently went from RCMix3d 1.4 runny to CM7 and I'm loving the change. The battery life is excellent and it makes me wonder why I was using sense in the first place.
I don't even miss it that much, apart from the odd thing. I'll take longer battery life over flashy show off animations any day
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Tamen said:
Basically I'd like to be persuaded as to whether to use a sense rom (e.g ARHD) or a nosense rom (e.g CM7). And if I use CM7 can I install the HTC dialer and messaging app?
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Can I install the sense APKs of the apps I like? The htc dialer is great, as is the messaging/
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No, the HTC apps won't run without the Sense framework.
Beyond that, I'm not going to persuade you with way; the only way to decide is to backup, flash cm7 and see which one you prefer.
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using Tapatalk

I suggest giving MIUI a try. It is basedd om CM7,has great features and is very easy to customise!

Definately take a look at MIUI as well Its an AOSP rom like CM7 but with some very nice additions. If you like to try out different themes and lots of personalization options MIUI is definately the way to go.
But in the end both ways (sense or no sense) have their advantages. What i dont like about sense is that its so bloated up with stuff you rarely ever use. You can cleane some of it with scripts like rom cleaner but still we're talking 350mb rom (sense) vs 80-90mb rom (CM7 or MIUI).
On the other hand with sense you get one good looking theme and good to very good apps for all the features of your phone. On CM7 you might need to find another app to play music via DLNA for example and another app for weather and so on.

sense and see how you feel if you dont like then go for no sense .....simple really
im with sense atm and feel that it is good

you could try the better of both worlds by flashing DeDense from this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207645

Try Helios 0913 for a CM7 rom if you're gonna try one. It'll make you not wanna go back. These forums are crowded with sense roms that look exactly the same and offer nothing different, except some visual stuff, than the other 20 or so sense roms that are here. A good AOSP rom is hard to find on HTC phones now. Like I said though, try Helios or better yet, Hydrogenmod and you'll forget all about sense.
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I love Helios too but, more broadly, I went the way of CM7-based ROMs in general + Lord Clockan's amazing kernels and never looked back.
I never enjoyed such a snappy and responsive device when I was on Sense-based ROMs. Ditto battery life. I'm a massive CyanogenMod fanboy now, and will be flashing Nightlies (which are in a very good condition ATM) until Richfish updates Helios.
People on Sense ROMs have good things to report too, though, so my suggestion (which you've probably already heard a million times) is to try stuff out for yourself.

No one will be able to tell you what you would prefer. Test out a CM rom and a sense rom. Make your own mind up.
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Which room is everyone using?

Which rom are you using? What's your setup? Feedback? Reasons? Screenshots?
Development has slowed down a lot on our beloved G2, so it made me curious what everyone has decided to use as their daily roms.
I am using pyromod cm7. Looking to switch. I love Jellybean roms but my sipdroid calling cuts out too much on those roms. Sipdroid works perfectly on gingerbread however.
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Odp: Which room is everyone using?
Using pacman rom, but PA function isn't working, so I'm changing to cm7.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA App

Mimicry 1.5 is smooth but has still some bugs. I tried some andromodus roms but ended with mimicry.

cjx said:
Mimicry 1.5 is smooth but has still some bugs. I tried some andromodus roms but ended with mimicry.
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I stuck with Gen.Y VisionX R3 as it was the first one I installed and everything seems to work really well on it, and it's nice and quick. I didn't really feel like going CM as I like the Sense UI, and I always find that really simple things like calendar, contacts etc always have some sort of problem in the CM builds like the Facebook link to contacts breaking or the calendar randomly stopping syncing, but I do miss some of the extra customizability in the CM builds.

Im using blackice and it runs very well. Its 2.3.4, I love mimicry but for some reason it crashes my router. I personaly may try cm9 or the aokp rom.

I tried several ROM's but they would hang or reboot after running a day or two. Minicry even wouldn't start at all. TrickDroid is a nice Sence Rom, but it was very slow even using swap. Now I've switched to EliteMod & Kernel ICS and it runs fluently.
Unfortunately my beloved Dezire Z died last week.

Was using mimicry 1.5 for quite a time, but recently moved to Flinny's JB 4.2.2. Pretty much happy with it so far.

My DD is a fusion of gen y r3 and sense z lite. My kernel was based on virtous that I have re-configured for functionality. some of the rosie are was taken from desire x. bugs exist but nothing I cant handle and I dont intend to upload any of my work because some of it was taken from other devs work. When I started porting my rom I intended it for personal use only.

Currently I use ajhavery's Desire XZ 1.0 with APM mod (http://www.ajhavery.com/category/desire-xz/) and ckpv5's Tabbed Extended Quick Settings with battery percentage for myOnev 9.0 (here is his rom thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1647052).
It is a very smooth Sense rom, the smoothest I think, just a pity that Rosie Lite can't get landscape mode.

I love tweaks and sense.
Venom ViperZ.
I tried almost all the recent roms, so far viperz is the most complete and stable one imo. With some tweaks, its fast as a fresh install of mimicry.
I ran mimicry for dd (4 months) before switching to viperz.

Flinny's CM10.1 ROMs. Once the phone gets going it runs pretty smooth for a two-year-old single-core phone.