[Q] Advanced developer section - Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III

I see a new section for advance developers and have a terrible urge to ask simple questions in that section. How can I effectively resist the urge to upset developers and moderators alike?

Two questions
-Where do you see this 'advanced developer' section?
-Why do you feel like you absolutely need to post something in it?

metalfan78 said:
Two questions
-Where do you see this 'advanced developer' section?
-Why do you feel like you absolutely need to post something in it?
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It's a new subsection under SGS3. And I don't actually feel that, I was just making a funny.

The Root said:
I see a new section for advance developers and have a terrible urge to ask simple questions in that section. How can I effectively resist the urge to upset developers and moderators alike?
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Keep questions in 1) Q & A, or 2)Thread for Rom/Kernel for which you have a question on.
Secondly, Kenny will come to your house and flog you with a wet noodle for questions in there.

milky1112 said:
Keep questions in 1) Q & A, or 2)Thread for Rom/Kernel for which you have a question on.
Secondly, Kenny will come to your house and flog you with a wet noodle for questions in there.
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My sarcasm is totally being lost....

I see what you did there
I still don't see the subsection you're referring to though. Do you mean 'original development'?

It's in between original source and apps/themes categories. Am i accidentally talking about fight club?
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The Root said:
It's in between original source and apps/themes categories. Am i accidentally talking about fight club?
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No, it does exist.

Thanks for pointing this out. I can't post there since I know nothing about development, but I sure can subscribe and stalk it

I can't see it from my XDA app. Maybe I could from a PC, but I use my laptop less & less the more I find out what this phone is capable of doing.
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Baseband - LJ7
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DrgnRebrn said:
I can't see it from my XDA app. Maybe I could from a PC, but I use my laptop less & less the more I find out what this phone is capable of doing.
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If you subscribed to the gs3 thread, unsubscribe and re-subscribe to see it.
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yeah i see it on my PC i was wondering why they made that new thread

For people who haven't seen it
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The Root said:
My sarcasm is totally being lost....
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Heh, your comment might have been in messing around.. but i can promise you, there will be others who will do that exact thing! Then we send Kenny to flog them with a wet noodle!!! It's all good tho.

The Root said:
Am i accidentally talking about fight club?
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No because that would be breaking the first and second rule. And tyler durden wont like that

I wish the mobile app would add new sections on its own without having to unsubscribe and subscribe again to see them.
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Cyanogenmod from epic 4g touch

Any one working on it? And before people say search I did lol. I found where it was being ported but no news on it.
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http://rootzwiki.com/topic/12440-romunofficial-cyanogenmod-72-alpha-4-1-7-2012-happy-new-year/
What about cm9? Anyone working on it more are they gonna finish cm7 first?
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This QUESTION does not belong in this forum.
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I don't even understand how this post went through with the OP only having 9 posts.
datajosh said:
I don't even understand how this post went through with the OP only having 9 posts.
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Membership since 2010.
Go to RootzWiki dude. Everyone here flamed the dev behind CM7 saying he was a fraud and now look like jackasses.
He came through and is in a better place now.
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Go to RootzWiki dude. Everyone here flamed the dev behind CM7 saying he was a fraud and now look like jackasses.
He came through and is in a better place now.
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chazglenn3 said:
This QUESTION does not belong in this forum.
****Thanks for moving, mods****
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Get over yourself Chaz*whatever. This is the Q&A section, he's in the right to post his question here.
jenovacon said:
Get over yourself Chaz*whatever. This is the Q&A section, he's in the right to post his question here.
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The mods moved it
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Official T-mobile ICS leak!

Just a heads up for you guys.
http://www.androidcentral.com/leake...chedule-sensation-4g-galaxy-s-ii-and-amaze-4g
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If that wasn't enough.
http://tinyurl.com/7mncg9d
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That sounds promising!
Already a thread for this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1615590
Wtf at&t gets a leaked ota and we get leaked documents
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This thread title is misleading.....I hate coming to read what I already know. "Ice Cream Sandwich Leak POSSIBLE RELEASE DATE DOCUMENT is much more accurate title not misleading......ughhh arrghhhh !!!!
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Yeah this thread just pissed me the **** off!!!!! :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
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I have about 5 or more sources that point to the same info. This is NOT speculation. These are legitimate sources. Of course the usual stipulations apply that the dates could be subject to change but with so many sources referring to the same documents, I'd venture to say it's solid info.
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Devilman539 said:
I have about 5 or more sources that point to the same info. This is NOT speculation. These are legitimate sources. Of course the usual stipulations apply that the dates could be subject to change but with so many sources referring to the same documents, I'd venture to say it's solid info.
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Who cares about your sources. If you don't have a t989 ics rom or the ota you dont have a nothing all you have is a bunch of jibber jabber!
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Killbynature said:
Already a thread for this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1615590
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It belongs here because it's general discussion about t989. No where on xda does it say you can't have a discussion on a GENERAL forum about relevant information pertaining to corresponding device.
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tdizzle404 said:
Who cares about your sources. If you don't have a t989 ics rom or the ota you dont have a nothing all you have is a bunch of jibber jabber!
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Shut up tdizzle and go flash your 20th rom for today. It's general info about our phone. Don't like cool info? Eat it. I don't care.
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There is only one ics thread since this board can't behave themselves second the information you posted is already in the thread I posted if you bothered to search.
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bipoler said:
This thread title is misleading.....I hate coming to read what I already know. "Ice Cream Sandwich Leak POSSIBLE RELEASE DATE DOCUMENT is much more accurate title not misleading......ughhh arrghhhh !!!!
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Yes this title is very misleading!
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1) Not Official
2) Yes, it does belong in the "ONLY THREAD FOR ICS" dummy
3) Use the search and see like 10+ other people already posted it
4) You are ruining everyone's morning thinking there was an official source leak when they come here to see what's newest best info yet, and coming to your stupid post. Delete it or change the title fool!
I work a fulltime job. I don't have time to search these threads for sub-threads about topics that are general discussion. I went into general, didn't see anything so I posted this because I was trying to be nice. sorry. Don't like good news? Please refer to the link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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tdizzle404 said:
Wtf at&t gets a leaked ota and we get leaked documents
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Amaze already has leaked official TMO ICS OTA few weeks back, I guess we just need a more resourceful member like football on HTC forums who somehow manages to leak most of HTC roms
no it belongs in the ICS speculation thread as until we have the files its speculation.
Example, no many how many analysts say stock xyz is going to perform a certian way, until it does no matter what the proof its speculation.
Just sit tight until a mod tells you the same thing if your to immature to take it from a reg user like myself.
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Devilman539 said:
I work a fulltime job. I don't have time to search these threads for sub-threads about topics that are general discussion. I went into general, didn't see anything so I posted this because I was trying to be nice. sorry. Don't like good news? Please refer to the link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Furthermore,
Your reason for not searching its you have a job.
I'm active duty military as is my wife...we also have a child. Your reason is a fat bucket of fail. Trust me, if i have time to tell you you are wrong and you have time to argue about it, then you had time to search.
End of discussion.
I'd venture that half of the worthless posts on here are people who mistakenly re-post something or search and don't find what they're looking for.
The other 50% are just people jumping on the OP's for not searching enough lol.
Everyone wants to be a mod these days.....
Dougshell said:
no it belongs in the ICS speculation thread as until we have the files its speculation.
Example, no many how many analysts say stock xyz is going to perform a certian way, until it does no matter what the proof its speculation.
Just sit tight until a mod tells you the same thing if your to immature to take it from a reg user like myself.
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Furthermore,
Your reason for not searching its you have a job.
I'm active duty military as is my wife...we also have a child. Your reason is a fat bucket of fail. Trust me, if i have time to tell you you are wrong and you have time to argue about it, then you had time to search.
End of discussion.
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+1
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Devilman539 said:
It belongs here because it's general discussion about t989. No where on xda does it say you can't have a discussion on a GENERAL forum about relevant information pertaining to corresponding device.
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The XDA staff have stated that all ICS leak related talk goes in that thread. every one is getting tired of 100 threads on the same thing. Also these leaked documents have already been posted in the thread every one is supposed ot use.

[Sprint] PLEASE!!! start using [Sprint] [AT&T] etc. approriate tags in the titles.

[Sprint] PLEASE!!! start using [Sprint] [AT&T] etc. approriate tags in the titles.
If your question or comments in general are Sprint based, please use the [Sprint] tag in the title.
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TeamERA said:
If your question or comments in general are Sprint based, please use the [Sprint] tag in the title.
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these forums are going to get messy...
dtr145r said:
these forums are going to get messy...
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Yes and No, While i think having them combined will be best for all parties. As the requested topic we can make them easier to deviate new threads.
1SiK1500 said:
Yes and No, While i think having them combined will be best for all parties. As the requested topic we can make them easier to deviate new threads.
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I hope that is the case, if labled with the right tag, we will only need to focus on that when looking at topics. I for one want to focus on all Sprint related topics/questions first, and if I have time help the rest of the SGS3 owners. But Id like to be closer friends with the people that are on the same carrier as me... No offence
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Don't forget ...
Don't forget (Americans often do) that there's also Rogers, Bell, and Telus, not to mention a few more in Canada.
Rogers, Bell and Telus use the AT&T I747. I'm not sure about Virgin, Mobilicity, etc.
Peter
Addendum: I really should say that Rogers, Bell and Telus use the I747, which AT&T also uses. I really don't like saying it's an AT&T I747, because it's not.
Personally, I will try and use [I747] on all my posts.
Yeah I can see a lot of locked threads,alot of trolling,and alot of flame wars about which carrier is the best I hope there will be more then two mods in these threads
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Lets petition to get it back to the old way
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auau465121 said:
Yeah I can see a lot of locked threads,alot of trolling,and alot of flame wars about which carrier is the best I hope there will be more then two mods in these threads
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gtuansdiamm said:
Lets petition to get it back to the old way
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There's advantages to both ways. But I'm not sure that the average user base will be able to take advantage of this setup and NOT cause a cluster#$%@. Not to mention the tendency to repeat previously asked questions... with four times as many carriers.
RandomKing said:
There's advantages to both ways. But I'm not sure that the average user base will be able to take advantage of this setup and NOT cause a cluster#$%@. Not to mention the tendency to repeat previously asked questions... with four times as many carriers.
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Exactly, this could get bad fast, and I see even more MOD attention would be needed, idk, maybe we are wrong and this will all work out for the best. Id love to see it be as easy as possible to stay connected and informed (on Sprint related topics mostly). I already find it hard to concentrate, but that's a personal problem I guess
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Great, perfect tip man.
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This format is going to get ugly. I actually enjoy talking to my sprint colleagues and I rather click away on sprint related threads then having to filter through them.
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shook187 said:
This format is going to get ugly. I actually enjoy talking to my sprint colleagues and I rather click away on sprint related threads then having to filter through them?
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XDA is about hacking devices, not discussing carriers. Don't forget that.
Go to a carrier-related forum if you want that.
I, for one, see this as a good change. Speaking as an engineer/developer.
Already we have 2 Off-Topic threads discussing this change. Don't complain about off-topic threads when you post in them.
This is good for me, since I'm kinda sad that I'm leaving my OG Epic bretheren from sprint to head to Bid Red..
Now I can keep tabs on ya's
jnadke said:
XDA is about hacking devices, not discussing carriers. Don't forget that.
Go to a carrier-related forum if you want that.
I, for one, see this as a good change. Speaking as an engineer/developer.
Already we have 2 Off-Topic threads discussing this change. Don't complain about off-topic threads when you post in them.
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Not really a good change, a step in the right direction, yes. But I for one only want to see Sprint related general/off topic posts when I come into the SGS3 general forum. That's why I ask for the tags. I mean that is a system in its self that needs to be used here ( I would love to see that happen). I'm just saying that makes it so much easier when scanning, and when you don't want to have to subscribe to all the Sprint related topics just to keep up with what your trying to focus on is ridiculous if you ask me.
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MrTimz said:
Not really a good change, a step in the right direction, yes. But I for one only want to see Sprint related general/off topic posts when I come into the SGS3 general forum. That's why I ask for the tags. I mean that is a system in its self that needs to be used here ( I would love to see that happen). I'm just saying that makes it so much easier when scanning, and when you don't want to have to subscribe to all the Sprint related topics just to keep up with what your trying to focus on is ridiculous if you ask me.
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Agreed 100%
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Themes are a concern and should be tagged as well. Most themes use framework-res etc.. which contains xmls's etc...
MrTimz said:
I for one only want to see Sprint related general/off topic posts
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I think I found your problem.
Okay, so other than:
1. *****ing about poor coverage.
2. *****ing about LTE roll-out.
3. *****ing about bundled apps.
4. *****ing about insurance/TEP.
What else possibly belongs in the General section that's Sprint-specific?
XDA has an off-topic section. Go there if you want to talk about whatever. It's about time these forums get back to device/development. This place has been taken over by whiny 14 year olds for too long.
And get off my lawn!
jnadke said:
I think I found your problem.
Okay, so other than:
1. *****ing about poor coverage.
2. *****ing about LTE roll-out.
3. *****ing about bundled apps.
4. *****ing about insurance/TEP.
What else possibly belongs in the General section that's Sprint-specific?
XDA has an off-topic section. Go there if you want to talk about whatever. It's about time these forums get back to development. This place has been taken over by whiny 14 year olds for too long.
And get off my lawn!
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[SPRINT]
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TeamERA said:
If your question or comments in general are Sprint based, please use the [Sprint] tag in the title.
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Tho we wouldn't have to if we had separate forums. I know in the past there were several that would cross platforms from international version to US versions and that was great, but I think it's a bit confusing to do it like this and if you're going to label every thread with a carrier anyway, why not just have it's own forum??
It is what it is I guess.
Hey the other day I seen this phone at a Sprint store, some girl offered me a favor for a look at my SGS3 PB 32gb Sprint version, I said I didn't have it yet, but soon I will be able to flash it for that favor you offered
Cool [Sprint] story right?
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4 Window multiwindow?

Just saying it would be awesome to see someone take advantage of this huge screen and making it more efficient in going back and forth opening new apps and such in multiwindow or maybe even a hole new UI could help make this possible so that it's easier to manage and switch thru the open windows?
Am I the only one who thinks so or have I gone bananas?
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Regardless of the sanity of your request, this is not the place for it... and as such be prepared to have this moved/removed by a mod, of course not till several other people come in here to berate you.
In the future use the General or Q&A section for non-actual-development related threads.
Please move this thread!
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Whatever happened to needing a minimum of 10 posts before you could post in a dev section?
daveid said:
Regardless of the sanity of your request, this is not the place for it... and as such be prepared to have this moved/removed by a mod, of course not till several other people come in here to berate you.
In the future use the General or Q&A section for non-actual-development related threads.
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I think this is a perfectly legitimate place for his post. This is a Q&A section, he has several concerns about the GN2 and as a result he is asking whether he has gone bananas...
mscion said:
I think this is a perfectly legitimate place for his post. This is a Q&A section, he has several concerns about the GN2 and as a result he is asking whether he has gone bananas...
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He posted it in the dev section
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He posted it in the dev section
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Sorry. My bad.

To: T-989 [(Hercules)(T-Mobile)] ; From: Santa [(Developers)(AOKP)(Whitehawkx)]

I just want to talk about my Samsung Galaxy S2, from T-mobile. Any and all questions here we can talk about. Home screens, girlfriends, life, wisdom, respect, and learning.
I would like to personally thank all the peeps keeping this beautiful and dominating device alive. It is the best phone since my Leo, the HTC-HD2 that I crushed back in the day.
Anyway, just wanted to start some conversations about how and why we love our SGSII's. Also
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1329
There is a great link..... Here is a better one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143784
Make sure you tell your friendly forum moderator to make that one a sticky.
Lastly, test your radios.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1895400
And finally, don't be an idiot, flash this recovery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1768742
So, without any further adieu, if you follow these links and have the mojo and luck of a master, thank the contributors of the good in life, I look highly forward to pimping out all with my phone in the future
Another thank you thread? There is a reason we have a help and troubleshooting section
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Thank you thread?
Spastic909 said:
Another thank you thread? There is a reason we have a help and troubleshooting section
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Learn to read before you post. You need a girlfriend. haha
You are smart.
Spastic909 said:
Another thank you thread? There is a reason we have a help and troubleshooting section
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This is not a help or troubleshooting thread. It was actually meant for non-trolls. Congrats! You are first!
Seriously
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This is not a help or troubleshooting thread. It was actually meant for non-trolls. Congrats! You are first!
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Was just looking to talk about some relatively intelligent things, not looking for TROLLS.
This will probably get locked to be honest since its more for the off topic thread that's already created
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Was just looking to talk about some relatively intelligent things, not looking for TROLLS.
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You couldn't fit two comments on one post. Do you know what troll means? Someone who purposefully disrupts . This is an off topic thread plain and simple. Pull your panties out of your butt and get a grip.
Not to mention what I said wasn't rude or disruptive. You on the other lack the maturity to act like an adult and have a grown up response. I need a gf is the best you could come up with? Keep trying little man
You state peace, love, and happiness to all, yet you are quick to insult for no legitimate reason. Kind of hypocritical don't you think
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This thread sucks. So does this phone. Was awesome and while it serves all my needs just fine, it`s outdated now. Must be your first Android phone.. but if you insist, this video talks about how awesome the GSII is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Sorry dude but no ones trolling.. Your post is just lame and unnecessary. There is already an off topic thread and an entire off topic section on xda.
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I guess I am confused....why is this here? Especially when there is all ready a sg2 subsection devoted to the t989.......doesn't make any sense to me. Am I missing something?
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bseager said:
I just want to talk about my Samsung Galaxy S2, from T-mobile. Any and all questions here we can talk about. Home screens, girlfriends, life, wisdom, respect, and learning.
I would like to personally thank all the peeps keeping this beautiful and dominating device alive. It is the best phone since my Leo, the HTC-HD2 that I crushed back in the day.
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Hmm a thank you thread.
bseager said:
Anyway, just wanted to start some conversations about how and why we love our SGSII's. Also
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1329
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There is an off topic thread in general for this. Also, why the heck did you link the T989 forums we're already in?
bseager said:
There is a great link..... Here is a better one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143784
Make sure you tell your friendly forum moderator to make that one a sticky.
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AOKP is certainly a great ROM, I used it myself. However, a sticky? W H Y?
bseager said:
Lastly, test your radios.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1895400
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oookkkk...this is already in the stickies....
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And finally, don't be an idiot, flash this recovery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1768742
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So...anyone who uses 2.4.4.0 or CWM is an idiot? Not a great way to make friends....
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So, without any further adieu, if you follow these links and have the mojo and luck of a master, thank the contributors of the good in life, I look highly forward to pimping out all with my phone in the future
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Dude, with all due respect, WTF is this thread about? Its more a blog post IMHO.
Guys...arguing over the internet is childish...just push the report button and the tread will be locked when a mod gets the chance.
Already reported btw.
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Gonna close the thread... As everyone has pointed out there are other threads for all of this... Plus it seems the train went of the rails awhile back in this one...:good:

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