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[Q] Superuser allways forcecloses and rom manager doesn't work

Hi!
I've seen some treads on this topic but couldn't find an answer (a big newbie here )
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The problem is: I flashed a rom twice (HD revolution) and everything is fine. But now I wanted to flash to 3.0 but the rom manager doesn't work as when I try to flash clockworkmod recovery, the superuser always force closes and that's it
Can anyone help?
I am sotry but I do need more or less a step by step description (as I said a newbie )
J

Any more information to give as im just trying to figure out your next steps.....if you can flash roms you should be good to go.....try using clockword mod to fix permissions and download titanium and install busybox through the problems tab in the app.....

Of course
So, I did a root in January, then put on the Adroid Revolutions2.0.8
after a while I upgraded the 2.0.8 with 2.0.11
+ I changed the radio (again using the step by step receipe on this site) toRadio_12.35d.60.140f_26.06.03.24_M2.
The first time flashing the rom and the second time I hade no problems.
The thing is also that I downloaded a program to tell me what my root status is and it says The phone is not rooted?! Is that possible?
I thopught once you root it's rooted for always?
Should I root again?
j

malikjc said:
Of course
So, I did a root in January, then put on the Adroid Revolutions2.0.8
after a while I upgraded the 2.0.8 with 2.0.11
+ I changed the radio (again using the step by step receipe on this site) toRadio_12.35d.60.140f_26.06.03.24_M2.
The first time flashing the rom and the second time I hade no problems.
The thing is also that I downloaded a program to tell me what my root status is and it says The phone is not rooted?! Is that possible?
I thopught once you root it's rooted for always?
Should I root again?
j
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If your using a custom rom, you already have a custom recovery, just take your battery out, when you put it bk in hold the volume down and power key, at the bootloader menu, choose recovery.
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Thanks a bunch
Problem solved.
Can you just tell me the thing about rooting?
Do you have a rooted telephone once you rooted it, forever?

malikjc said:
Thanks a bunch
Problem solved.
Can you just tell me the thing about rooting?
Do you have a rooted telephone once you rooted it, forever?
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No, once rooted, you will loose root if you flash an unrooted rom, 99.9% of custom roms are rooted though, as long as you have a custom recovery you can always flash another rom.
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Can we downgrade FROM ICS LEAK to STOCK GINGERBREAD?

Is this possible?

If you installed it through CWM, you can just flash back. If you didnt use CWM for any reason, then you have to go through the unbrick method i believe. Its a bit of a pain and a time consumer for your first time through but it does in fact work.

If by stock u mean without root then I'm pretty sure there's no way. You could try using the unbrick method then using the unroot option with SOC. Idk if it works though
Sent from my LG-P930 using XDA

rani9990 said:
If by stock u mean without root then I'm pretty sure there's no way. You could try using the unbrick method then using the unroot option with SOC. Idk if it works though
Sent from my LG-P930 using XDA
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I went through this recently. Using the unbrick method gives you root,, so it's still not stock. Super one click wouldn't fully unroot it either, even though it was what I used to get root during the unbrick process. I finally got desperate enough and used DoomLord's unroot kit even though he warns to not use it unless you used his root kit to gain root initially. It worked and I was finally completely unrooted as far as I could tell.
So there I was with what should be a completely stock V10f LG Nitro HD. I even got a notification for an OTA update. It would download it, but it always failed at 2%, no matter how many times I tried it. I also tried using LG's mobile support tool I downloaded directly from the official LG Nitro HD website, but it kept telling me my phone was up to date.

So to sum up this thread, the easiest way to play around with the leak is to root, install CWM, backup via CWM, flash the leak via CWM, then revert back if you want to and unroot if necessary.
Either way, yes it is completely possible to do. Its more work if you flash the leak directly, but ultimately still doable.

compumasta said:
So to sum up this thread, the easiest way to play around with the leak is to root, install CWM, backup via CWM, flash the leak via CWM, then revert back if you want to and unroot if necessary.
Either way, yes it is completely possible to do. Its more work if you flash the leak directly, but ultimately still doable.
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I wouldn't consider it doable if it breaks the update process and causes you to get stuck on the old v10f ROM.

i have the newest firmware (not rooted) V11a.
just got my phone back yesterday from bell after they updated it
i can give you it, i just don't know how to extract it from my phone, so if you can help me with that, then you can have the newest firmware

dillonr said:
i have the newest firmware (not rooted) V11a.
just got my phone back yesterday from bell after they updated it
i can give you it, i just don't know how to extract it from my phone, so if you can help me with that, then you can have the newest firmware
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Thanks a lot for help but I already restored my phone to stock bell by the unbrick method and pushing stock image files via adb. So far so good.

raviluke said:
Thanks a lot for help but I already restored my phone to stock bell by the unbrick method and pushing stock image files via adb. So far so good.
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Hope everything goes well, but (at least for me) bell accepts devices that have non stock roms on them...they just upgrade it back to stock lol
Other people might have different experiences than me though

It is ok via the kdz tool with windows xp.
after flash, wipe is a need.
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Hi all
I have bell p930, came with GB 2.3.5. I rooted it and with cwm install cm9. Then tried ICS leak flashable but it stuck into bootloop. I restored it with my cwm backup. Then yesterday I install ICS leak exe file. Every thing went smooth. But as I already knew that its difficult to root. But others have done it. So I tried all nothing happened. Then I tried unbrick method to go back but that also failed. Then I found ( viperMOD_PrimeTime_v4.6 ) its option 2 did the trick. Now its rooted. Now I thought that I can install my stock image with adb shell commands. I did that but when I booted and set to reset it looped at boot with messages "unable to find resource" "not verified" "fast boot" "long time no see"
It does not connect to computer with adb any more. Then I tried download mode that worked. I ran again the ICS leak exe file and it ran smoothly and I am again in HONH ICS leak. Rooted again with option 2.
My question is what did I done wrong?
Please suggest me what to do?
I want to go back to cm9!

xyz#1 said:
Hi all
I have bell p930, came with GB 2.3.5. I rooted it and with cwm install cm9. Then tried ICS leak flashable but it stuck into bootloop. I restored it with my cwm backup. Then yesterday I install ICS leak exe file. Every thing went smooth. But as I already knew that its difficult to root. But others have done it. So I tried all nothing happened. Then I tried unbrick method to go back but that also failed. Then I found ( viperMOD_PrimeTime_v4.6 ) its option 2 did the trick. Now its rooted. Now I thought that I can install my stock image with adb shell commands. I did that but when I booted and set to reset it looped at boot with messages "unable to find resource" "not verified" "fast boot" "long time no see"
It does not connect to computer with adb any more. Then I tried download mode that worked. I ran again the ICS leak exe file and it ran smoothly and I am again in HONH ICS leak. Rooted again with option 2.
My question is what did I done wrong?
Please suggest me what to do?
I want to go back to cm9!
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You can't flash the img files without using the Korean KDZ. I did the same thing when I was on the ICS leak and got the same errors as you did.
You need to get the Korean KDZ ROM installed and follow ALL of the steps in Post 1. You'll end up with a rooted V10f that you'll be able to put CWM on and ultimately CM9.
And make sure you rename the Korean KDZ to "V10f_00.kdz" in order to get it to fully flash.

What are .kdz files, like what's in them?
Would it be possible to create one of them, with a rooted (but otherwise) stock phone's files?

JINXR said:
You can't flash the img files without using the Korean KDZ. I did the same thing when I was on the ICS leak and got the same errors as you did.
You need to get the Korean KDZ ROM installed and follow ALL of the steps in Post 1. You'll end up with a rooted V10f that you'll be able to put CWM on and ultimately CM9.
And make sure you rename the Korean KDZ to "V10f_00.kdz" in order to get it to fully flash.
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After long frustration I was able to get control of my p930. The whole stroy for the benefit of others;
Installed ICS leak exe on rooted bell p930. Smooth transition. Rooted with (viperMOD_PrimeTime_v4.6 - using option #2). Using "adb shell" commands copied all original image files. Stuck at fast boot with error messages. Went into download mode and ran unbrick method to install "V10f_00.kdz". Program never went beyond 4% but p930 rebooted and korean rom started. After making it to talk in English and putting it pc and debug modes, rooted it with SOC. Again using "adb shell" commands copied original image files once again. p930 rebooted in original bell stock GB 2.3.5. Rooted again with SOC and install CWM. Now you got your p930 again in your control. Restored backup using CWM.

xyz#1 said:
After long frustration I was able to get control of my p930. The whole stroy for the benefit of others;
Installed ICS leak exe on rooted bell p930. Smooth transition. Rooted with (viperMOD_PrimeTime_v4.6 - using option #2). Using "adb shell" commands copied all original image files. Stuck at fast boot with error messages. Went into download mode and ran unbrick method to install "V10f_00.kdz". Program never went beyond 4% but p930 rebooted and korean rom started. After making it to talk in English and putting it pc and debug modes, rooted it with SOC. Again using "adb shell" commands copied original image files once again. p930 rebooted in original bell stock GB 2.3.5. Rooted again with SOC and install CWM. Now you got your p930 again in your control. Restored backup using CWM.
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So all I have to do is install viperMOD_PrimeTime_v4.6 and it will root the ICS leak?

Hello , I got ICS leak 4.0.3 stock I flash it with the LGmobile software update, the phone is not rooted and dont have CWM.
is there a way i can go back to Gingerbread stock, how? can any 1 help me ?
thanks

danieldp1990 said:
Hello , I got ICS leak 4.0.3 stock I flash it with the LGmobile software update, the phone is not rooted and dont have CWM.
is there a way i can go back to Gingerbread stock, how? can any 1 help me ?
thanks
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I found your answer in the first 3-4 replies of the OP...I digress. No. You will need to use the unbrick guide. Mattman's guide is easy to follow and will have you back on GB.
Sent from my LG-P930 using xda app-developers app

X0dus said:
I found your answer in the first 3-4 replies of the OP...I digress. No. You will need to use the unbrick guide. Mattman's guide is easy to follow and will have you back on GB.
Sent from my LG-P930 using xda app-developers app
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ok so i can downgrade my stock ICS 4.0.3 TO Gingerbread using the umbrick method?

danieldp1990 said:
ok so i can downgrade my stock ICS 4.0.3 TO Gingerbread using the umbrick method?
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I did the Umbrick method but i still have the v18f.

[Q]ODIN and root

does the galaxy W need to be rooted to flash with ODIN or it does not need to be.
for example i can just flash CWM and then install CM9 without root and I'll be ok.

zaid98 said:
does the galaxy W need to be rooted to flash with ODIN or it does not need to be.
for example i can just flash CWM and then install CM9 without root and I'll be ok.
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ODIN is to be use on standard updates on stock ROM. Normally you can get it through www.sammobile.com/firmware/
Root ROM like CM9 by Arco and others variation such as Paranoid Android by Doomsday94 must be on rooted phone. This link (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1317394) will helps you how to root. I suggest you read through these steps.

you didn't understand what i meant what i meant does the stock ROM need to be rooted to flash CWM via odin or not

zaid98 said:
you didn't understand what i meant what i meant does the stock ROM need to be rooted to flash CWM via odin or not
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You seems to be new here. He's answer was right but since you cannot relate to what he said, the simple answer for your question is
"No."
If you have more question, follow them up.

My question was not how to root but in short does odin need root to be used or not

My question was not how to root but in short does odin need root to be used or not
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Anything on a computer has full access to android devices. So odin and other apps like that for computers will be able to do anything to your device if it reqiures download mode. Download mode is basicly rhe first piece of already rooted (you could say) equiptment on a phone that anyone could access.
Sent from the phone of Gamers

zaid98 said:
My question was not how to root but in short does odin need root to be used or not
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Odin does not need root. It's a standard software from Samsung to updates/upgrade/downgrade stock ROM or even flash baseband (upgrade/downgrade). But in order to use ODIN, your phone must be on download mode.
I hope this is simple enough for you to try. Again, please read my first post comments.

if me no root but live use flash cwm via odin, whats live root?

melledug said:
if me no root but live use flash cwm via odin, whats live root?
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I've been trying to figure out what you really mean but I really don't understand.
In one way or another, you will be needing both root and CWM if you're to use your phone to the fullest. I strongly suggest to do the two things.

i suppose your question was "do you need root before flashing CWM with ODIN?"
i think you can flash it (CWM recovery) without rooting, but on the other hand, CWM might need root access before it can work on your phone.

necrohades said:
i suppose your question was "do you need root before flashing CWM with ODIN?"
i think you can flash it (CWM recovery) without rooting, but on the other hand, CWM might need root access before it can work on your phone.
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Anything that isnt download mode always requires root if it involves modifying the /system
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melledug said:
if me no root but live use flash cwm via odin, whats live root?
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I think what this guy meant was: If I'm not rooted, but can flash CWM using ODIN, what's the purpose of rooting?
Assuming I translated his question correctly, here's my answer :
Flashing a recovery (RZR, CWM) or a ROM (BC2, Kez, BN, ArcoICS) is like installing Windows 7 on a PC: You don't need to know the password of the Administrator account of the previous OS; just boot the Setup DVD, and it has full unfettered access to the whole PC.
Rooting a phone is unlocking its capability. It's like resetting the administrator password of a PC, so that you can install things on it.
_____ W + Bionic Cow 2 + xda app _____

Yes. Totally agreed
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Guys,
I installed the CWM before rooting, is it a problem? How can I root my phone with CWM already installed? I am having some problems with Cyanonmod 10, for exemple, I can't take pictures because it says that there's no external SD Card installed what isn't true.

NigthWolf23 said:
Guys,
I installed the CWM before rooting, is it a problem? How can I root my phone with CWM already installed? I am having some problems with Cyanonmod 10, for exemple, I can't take pictures because it says that there's no external SD Card installed what isn't true.
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Short answer: no. its not a problem. You can root your phone with cwm installed. It wont affect anything. And if you want root then just search it up.
Secondly, about CM10.1, its still in alpha.(bugs like that are always probable) Dont report it here. Report it in the CM10 thread. Its bound to get noticed more there and fixed quicker there.
That's right, I'm the premium potaytoman and i seek the TROOOOOF! Problem?

gmaster1 said:
Short answer: no. its not a problem. You can root your phone with cwm installed. It wont affect anything. And if you want root then just search it up.
Secondly, about CM10.1, its still in alpha.(bugs like that are always probable) Dont report it here. Report it in the CM10 thread. Its bound to get noticed more there and fixed quicker there.
That's right, I'm the premium potaytoman and i seek the TROOOOOF! Problem?
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Not a problem, but u can't root your device with cwm6, only with cwm5 or stock recovery
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[Q] Root issues on Android 4.0.4 & R800x

Hey guys. This is my first post. Ive been reading the site for years and decided to make an account because i needed some advice. I can usually come here and find what i need which is the case but the info i cant get to work properly. I have found other threads about this but the programs or instructions to get the phone to root do not work. Either the program says its finished and the phone is rooted.. but its not. Other programs simply wont root. SuperOneClick errors at start however i am sure if it doesn't root 2.3.4 that it wont root 4.0.4 so i haven't been to worried about SuperOneClick. I read one forum that mentioned to download and make a folder for Root_with_Restore_by_Bin4ry_v15. I ran this program and it said it was successful however the phone still doesn't have root. I also tried a program that ran a "runme.bat" file that also said it was successful however the phone still has no root. I found a rootxperia.zip file when installed via CWM said it installed but again, still no root. This is verified in all cases by trying to open busybox with a message that it cant gain root and also with the rootchecker app. My phone is unlocked as you may already know cause i am on 4.0.4 with FXP 2.6.32.9 kernel , 9-20121108-UNOFFICIAL-zeusc Cyanogen 9.
I hope thats more than enough info. and i am trying to achieve the best in CM9. Kernel and Mod. If im not using the the best please point me in the right direction. With all the info it was quite easy to get confused. This is the only combination i found to get CM9 working with WIFI. (please no wifi questions. i tried for days to get it to work. it didnt. then when i reinstalled the kernel and mod at a later date.. it just worked. :-\ )

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14868019
Download the rootXperia zip. Then go into recovery...install from sd... Rooted.
Try installing rom again then the root xperia zip right after.
Sent from my R800x

i tried it already
"I found a rootxperia.zip file when installed via CWM said it installed but again, still no root."
Thanks. Although i tried that and it didnt work. Like i mentioned in my original post.
I am going to re install the mod then install the update exactly after the mod installs.
After clearing all the info in cwm and reinstalling the mod.. then installing the rootxperia.zip file.. i am still not rooted.. so this triple check still shows i have no root.

Blueclipse28 said:
"I found a rootxperia.zip file when installed via CWM said it installed but again, still no root."
Thanks. Although i tried that and it didnt work. Like i mentioned in my original post.
I am going to re install the mod then install the update exactly after the mod installs.
After clearing all the info in cwm and reinstalling the mod.. then installing the rootxperia.zip file.. i am still not rooted.. so this triple check still shows i have no root.
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You cant root 2.3.4 R800x firmware you must downgrade to 2.3.3 with flashtool. Or unlock your bootloader and flash a custom kernel that enables su automatically. Rootxperia zip only works for 2.3.3 and below.

chery2k said:
You cant root 2.3.4 R800x firmware you must downgrade to 2.3.3 with flashtool. Or unlock your bootloader and flash a custom kernel that enables su automatically. Rootxperia zip only works for 2.3.3 and below.
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OK.. how do i know if a custom kernel has SU enabled? I mentioned in the post that i do have the bootloader unlocked and that i am running a kernel/rom of fxp cyanogen9.
I have SU in the app drawer but busybox and root checker both say im not rooted.

You may have to update the su app from the gplay store. Then update the binaries... Inside the su app
Sent from my R800x

Lordomn said:
You may have to update the su app from the gplay store. Then update the binaries... Inside the su app
Sent from my R800x
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That seemed to be it.. Once i installed the ICS GApps, and my apps updated.. I got the superuser popup to accept or deny apps once i restarted the phone. thanks..
Running on a Verizon R800x CDMA with CM9 4.0.4 rooted.

Good to see it was just an update issue.
Sent from my R800x

[Q] Possible brick? Red/Blue LED after TWRP with flashify and one click root.

Hi, I was fed up with my stock, slow, German 855 and wanted to root and flash CloudyG3 2.3.
First I tried Purple Drake lite but it aborted after the phone rebooted. Then I tried LG One Click Root 1.3 and this seemed to work.
Next on my list was flashing a recovery. I followed this: [RECOVERY][TWRP][D855] TeamWin Recovery with modem support and flashed the .img via flashify.
Now the phone does not boot. It says "Secure bootig error. Cause: Boot certification verify." after that the screen turns off and the notification LED flashes red and blue. I tried factory reset but I end up at the same error message.
I started panic googling and was about to try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59970974&postcount=6 but because OP had a slightly different problem and I don't want to make it any worst, I thought I ask for verification first.
What did I do wrong? I stuck to tutorials from the FAQ (apart from one click root which seemed to work). Am I supposed to flash stock firmware via ADP download mode now?
Thanks!

CutterSlade001 said:
Hi, I was fed up with my stock, slow, German 855 and wanted to root and flash CloudyG3 2.3.
First I tried Purple Drake lite but it aborted after the phone rebooted. Then I tried LG One Click Root 1.3 and this seemed to work.
Next on my list was flashing a recovery. I followed this: [RECOVERY][TWRP][D855] TeamWin Recovery with modem support and flashed the .img via flashify.
Now the phone does not boot. It says "Secure bootig error. Cause: Boot certification verify." after that the screen turns off and the notification LED flashes red and blue. I tried factory reset but I end up at the same error message.
I started panic googling and was about to try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59970974&postcount=6 but because OP had a slightly different problem and I don't want to make it any worst, I thought I ask for verification first.
What did I do wrong? I stuck to tutorials from the FAQ (apart from one click root which seemed to work). Am I supposed to flash stock firmware via ADP download mode now?
Thanks!
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@CutterSlade001, seems like you are already rooted. Did you try pulling out the battery and then powering on again? Once you are sure you are rooted, you can try using various methods available on XDA or try searching AutoRec on the play store for installing twrp. It's meant for rooted lollipop devices. Hope this helps.
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ravi.vydianathan said:
@CutterSlade001, seems like you are already rooted. Did you try pulling out the battery and then powering on again? Once you are sure you are rooted, you can try using various methods available on XDA or try searching AutoRec on the play store for installing twrp. It's meant for rooted lollipop devices. Hope this helps.
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Yes pulling the battery does nothing but to give me the ability to look at the error again.
I get that i am supposed to install twrp. But how to safely make the phone operational again?
Or can I only use ADB at hte moment? Yes rooting worked.
Thanks for your hint at AutoRec I will try that once the phone works again.

CutterSlade001 said:
Yes pulling the battery does nothing but to give me the ability to look at the error again.
I get that i am supposed to install twrp. But how to safely make the phone operational again?
Or can I only use ADB at hte moment? Yes rooting worked.
Thanks for your hint at AutoRec I will try that once the phone works again.
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I presume you can get into download mode? If you can use flashtool to go back to stock then root your device then use Autorec.

Download mode seems to work. Slowly downloading factory image now...
So rooting via one click was not the problem? Not using Autorec was?
I will follow this then after factory flash and reset and root via oneclick?

Thanks a lot for your help! I got it working again.
But now I am back to KitKat and Autorec requires Lollipop. OTA says there is no update and I got all sorts of junk on the phone from other carriers.
Is there a factory Lollipop image I missed?

CutterSlade001 said:
Thanks a lot for your help! I got it working again.
But now I am back to KitKat and Autorec requires Lollipop. OTA says there is no update and I got all sorts of junk on the phone from other carriers.
Is there a factory Lollipop image I missed?
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@CutterSlade001 seems like you got hold of a kk firmware file instead of lp. You should be able to the appropriate lollipop version for your phone model. After that, just flash once again and then use one click root plus recovery options available in XDA.
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ravi.vydianathan said:
@CutterSlade001 seems like you got hold of a kk firmware file instead of lp. You should be able to the appropriate lollipop version for your phone model. After that, just flash once again and then use one click root plus recovery options available in XDA.
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Thanks for all your Help! I did that and it worked! I only found Lollipop .kdz files so I used the 2014 flash tool. After that, everything worked as expected. I am now running CloudyG3 2.3 and am Happy so far. But I did a clean install with only the bare minimum of apps for now and the stock firmware ran smooth for a few weeks also. Always buy the version with 3 GB RAM instead of the one with 2 GB RAM and a "free" LG G Watch.

CutterSlade001 said:
Thanks for all your Help! I did that and it worked! I only found Lollipop .kdz files so I used the 2014 flash tool. After that, everything worked as expected. I am now running CloudyG3 2.3 and am Happy so far. But I did a clean install with only the bare minimum of apps for now and the stock firmware ran smooth for a few weeks also. Always buy the version with 3 GB RAM instead of the one with 2 GB RAM and a "free" LG G Watch.
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@CutterSlade001 glad that it worked for you ?
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cutterslader ..... please tell me how could u solve the problem. I have the same problem and i couldnt get to download mod because the screen is black and not functional. please help me, I am losing my phone. it is lg g3 d858hk

khalfan1984 said:
cutterslader ..... please tell me how could u solve the problem. I have the same problem and i couldnt get to download mod because the screen is black and not functional. please help me, I am losing my phone. it is lg g3 d858hk
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Please let me know if you could fix this, I have the same problem