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So I was downloading AA V7 from my phone. Since I was at work. I started about 6 20 pm. On a 100% battery. Around 8 20 pm with a 28 % battey I was at 96% when I got a phone call and canceled my download. Why o why. Damn u sprint. Does any one know if 4g will stay connected while your in a call?
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So I was downloading AA V7 from my phone. Since I was at work. I started about 6 20 pm. On a 100% battery. Around 8 20 pm with a 28 % battey I was at 96% when I got a phone call and canceled my download. Why o why. Damn u sprint. Does any one know if 4g will stay connected while your in a call?
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Cdma will not allow data and calling its a network thing...a no no but 4g works I tested it before and it works no problem
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Thanks. I don't get 4g at my work but in my town there is. but I will just dl it later. Damn sprint
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I feel your pain
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You can use wifi while on a call
rulyskull said:
Cdma will not allow data and calling its a network thing...a no no but 4g works I tested it before and it works no problem
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I know, why doesn't Sprint advertise that fact? I've found myself surprised when I get a call while doing interweb things and everything continues as is. By the way, I think HBO GO thinks 4g=wifi.
And that's why GSM is so much better...
SIM cards > ESN
Data and voice simultaneously? Yes please.
IIRC it's frequencies penetrate buildings better as well.
I normally have wifi on at home because I am in between. Areas at my apt so I knew about the wifi but there is always a negative fml. But at home time for some v7. I have about 30 pages to catch up on heheheh.
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I was able to take a call and use data..I have Sprint. I was in a 4G area. Voice and data shouldnt be a problem at the same time. I had an Adobe connect going. Never lost connection and I was using wired tether..I am rooted. But no issues
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I have googled something while on a phone call without 4G or wifi. Heavy traffic stops or crawls so much you may think it doesn't work or timeouts.
Kal*El said:
I was able to take a call and use data..I have Sprint. I was in a 4G area. Voice and data shouldnt be a problem at the same time. I had an Adobe connect going. Never lost connection and I was using wired tether..I am rooted. But no issues
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Okay everyone, let me teach you a little something. AT&T and T-Mobile both allow you to use data while on a call, why is that? It is actually because, back in the days before data, AT&T used ONLY GSM radio frequencies. These were perfect for phone calls and texting, but once data connections were required, their network couldn't handle it.
However, Sprint and Verizon were fine, because they used CDMA, a network that allows them to handle voice and data on the same frequency.
GSM providers were sad, so to fix it, they added a CDMA frequency to their arsenal. This means, they use two frequencies at the same time a GSM frequency to handle calls and text, and a CDMA frequency to handle data. So while you are on a call, the CDMA frequency is still free, hence the talk and web simultaneously.
Sprint and Verizon, however use CDMA for everything, so when you make a phone call, the network is being used. So data can't also get through. But 4G is yet another frequency so that can be used at the same time as a phone call.
Does this make sense?
Also, while GSM can penetrate buildings better, it is also much less reliable. It's large wavelengths allow it to travel through walls better, but also cause the dredded dropped calls that AT&T experience so much. I'll take CDMA over GSM everyday of the week. Besides, other then the rare occasion in which we are downloading (though we should never download something that big over 3G) we don't NEED talk and data at the same time.
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I know, why doesn't Sprint advertise that fact? I've found myself surprised when I get a call while doing interweb things and everything continues as is. By the way, I think HBO GO thinks 4g=wifi.
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Why would sprint advertise a flaw. That's why att advertises that they can talk and surf with the iphone duh
i know it doesnt work and it takes forever. but i am a flashaholic and damn it sucks when i go to work and the rom i have been waiting for gets released
There are a bunch of errors here.
CDMA can do Voice and data at the same time. Verison did not want that, and as the largest CDMA company, every one stopped developing new and better protocols and by default standardized on the Verizon way.
But not all Dev stopped. Outside North America there are several CDMA carriers that use EVDV? and other protocols that allow simultaneous Voice data connections on their frequencies. I believe Russia does on their 450MHz system. In fact these protocols are built in to any newer phone and all new tower equipment, but has not been implemented. Some have suggested when Sprint finishes their soft radio upgrade, they may offer it on a new phone.
Censura_Umbra had much good info, but it is not NECESSARY, from a tech point of view to have two different frequencies to do voice and data. It has been suggested that ATT wanted TWO separate systems for voice and data, as that is how big telcos are. I find this accurate.
One should also note that there are SIM CDMA phones. SIM is a separate tech entirely. North American Vendors do not use SIM cards to protect there handset hardware revenue streams. It is also why they lobbied so hard to try to get ESN modification illegal.
Final point. There are plenty who complain about frequency penetration.
1) While lower frequencies do penetrate things better, and thus may have more cancer risk
2) They also take more power to create. Thus reducing phone life.
3) Frequency attenuation do to penetration is predictable. With modern protocols, data rates can be unaffected. These things are not being implemented do to the FAT revenue streamed on handsets.
I'm not sure what everyone is talking about, I use 3G a lot while on calls.
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Okay everyone, let me teach you a little something. AT&T and T-Mobile both allow you to use data while on a call, why is that? It is actually because, back in the days before data, AT&T used ONLY GSM radio frequencies. These were perfect for phone calls and texting, but once data connections were required, their network couldn't handle it.
However, Sprint and Verizon were fine, because they used CDMA, a network that allows them to handle voice and data on the same frequency.
GSM providers were sad, so to fix it, they added a CDMA frequency to their arsenal. This means, they use two frequencies at the same time a GSM frequency to handle calls and text, and a CDMA frequency to handle data. So while you are on a call, the CDMA frequency is still free, hence the talk and web simultaneously.
Sprint and Verizon, however use CDMA for everything, so when you make a phone call, the network is being used. So data can't also get through. But 4G is yet another frequency so that can be used at the same time as a phone call.
Does this make sense?
Also, while GSM can penetrate buildings better, it is also much less reliable. It's large wavelengths allow it to travel through walls better, but also cause the dredded dropped calls that AT&T experience so much. I'll take CDMA over GSM everyday of the week. Besides, other then the rare occasion in which we are downloading (though we should never download something that big over 3G) we don't NEED talk and data at the same time.
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I'm very well versed in gsm cdma and tdma networks....voice and data at the same time will depend on a personal preference. I enjoyed using it bc I do meetings on the go. Sprint's network will allow that.
Ppl are getting confused with 3G...bc they assume since ATT has this that all carriers should have it..4G allows this.....
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Never really thought about Verizon but I'm to the point were I've had it with sprints ****ty service, so i got a few questions im a little hesitant about jumping to Verizon since their Android lineup seems lackluster (getting the nexus but probably only for a year then would get another phone) anybody hear anything about them acquiring better Android phones in the future, also been to the development section an don't see much activity going on for the LTE version any reason for this? Maybe due to how new it is? Any comments about Verizon as a service provider would be welcome also...
In my opinion, Verizon gets a pretty good lineup of phones. The Galaxy Nexus, Rezound, Razr, etc. As far as a carrier, very expensive but you get what you pay for.
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Verizon gets pretty good Android handsets IMO.
I just recently moved one of my AT&T lines to Verizon. Prior to that I was with Sprint. Sprint's data speeds were horrendous in my area and EVERY area in traveled too. I can't even imagine what its like after the Iphone release. Voice was always good on Sprint. AT&T's data blew sprint out of the water. Verizon is as good if not quite as fast 3g wise as AT&T but its incredibly reliable. 4g is blazing. 3g speeds are usually 1 - 1.8mbs on Verizon 3g. 4g pushes 15mbs. AT&T's 3g was anywhere from 800k to 4mbs. Verizon is definitely more stable and works in more places.
Both are leaps and bounds better than Sprint. Also with Sprints $10 premium add on its the same price as Verizon if you use Google voice or another data type service for texting. Which is what I do and saves me the $20 a month. I don't need many minutes since if I get low I can use google voice and GrooveIP for free minutes. Once its set up and configured it works great even over 3g.
In other words, jump ship the grass is greener. Sprint's service has taken a dump the last few years and they run a serious risk of bankruptcy before they can put all the spectrum they have to any real use. They have made one mistake after another after another for a long time now.
The LTE roms are on another site mostly.
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Thanks a lot guys ^^ its really between getting the LTE nexus or GSM on tmo, an whats the deal with the litte dev support for the LTE version?
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i moved from AT&T to Verizon and havent looked back, love my GN, but other phones are respectable too,RAZR,REZOUND are good phones too depending on youre tastes
Rootzwiki, but if you have the choice, get the GSM version.. much better battery life.
Cool, thanks guys great input, how much better battery we talking about?
carlost24 said:
Cool, thanks guys great input, how much better battery we talking about?
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Significant amount. LTE is quite the battery drain. All depending on use patterns of course.
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Significant amount. LTE is quite the battery drain. All depending on use patterns of course.
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It's really not that bad. I mean if you hammer it on LTE it will drain quicker than usual but it's not this destroyer of batteries that people make it out to be.
while LTE may destroy ur battery, u can always turn it off till u need it. there is plenty of dev support for the LTE version, and verizon's network coverage destroys all other three carriers put together.
also.. if u are going to pay for a data plan anyways, might as well enjoy the subsidy.
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whats the deal with the litte dev support for the LTE version?
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The GSM version works on all providers in all countries all over the earth. The LTE version works on one provider, in one country.
I think the GSM-model simply has what you may refer to as a "immensely much bigger user-base" and hence more developers than what's when you look at the cold, hard facts, is basically a carrier-phone, available on one carrier only.
If you travel out of the country often get GSM. Otherwise get the LTE model. People wanna make LTE out to be some battery black hole but its not. Sprint vs vzw is no contest. Verizon 3g is actually usable and 4g knocks my socks off. It maintains 25 megs on a heavily loaded network and gives me 50+ when its lightly loaded. Honestly development is not really a problem for me because ICS is so good.
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If you travel out of the country often get GSM. Otherwise get the LTE model. People wanna make LTE out to be some battery black hole but its not. Sprint vs vzw is no contest. Verizon 3g is actually usable and 4g knocks my socks off. It maintains 25 megs on a heavily loaded network and gives me 50+ when its lightly loaded. Honestly development is not really a problem for me because ICS is so good.
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I can't seem to get above 7 anywhere in Denver. Any chance its my phone?
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mark manning said:
I can't seem to get above 7 anywhere in Denver. Any chance its my phone?
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It's going to vary largely due to many factors. What's your signal strength, how many other people are using 4G in your area, etc...
I was traveling through Baltimore, MD and was managing only 12 MBPS with 1 bar of signal strength on New Years Eve, which honestly, is easily more than enough for anything. Keep in mind, as time goes on, more people get 4G phones, and use them more, available bandwidth is going to go down anyway. I don't understand why people think they should get 20 MBPS anyway....what are you going to do? If you don't have an unlimited plan, what's the point? You'll use up the small amount of data allotment that you have so quick you'll never even know it.
Thanks guys i think i shall pick up the LTE tomorrow...
carlost24 said:
Never really thought about Verizon but I'm to the point were I've had it with sprints ****ty service, so i got a few questions im a little hesitant about jumping to Verizon since their Android lineup seems lackluster (getting the nexus but probably only for a year then would get another phone) anybody hear anything about them acquiring better Android phones in the future, also been to the development section an don't see much activity going on for the LTE version any reason for this? Maybe due to how new it is? Any comments about Verizon as a service provider would be welcome also...
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I left Sprint for Verizon 3 months ago, and the extra cost is well worth it - it's like having a landline in my pocket.
As far as your assessment of the Android phone lineup, I'm not sure where you're coming from. I think they have a great lineup, although certainly it's slanted toward the Motorola line. With Google buy Motorola mobility, that should end up being a very good thing.
I also don't think they meddle with the phones nearly as much as ATT does - but I have no direct experience with ATT, just what my friends tell me.
I don't know about all your guys' locations but I live in Mesa, AZ (it is about 30 min from downtown Phoenix). I get VERY slow LTE in the city. Even with 2 bars I get ~5 down and 5 up. As far as signal strength, it isn't much different to any other 4G phones I have used. I get no data in my school's basement and the phone always seems to drop the data service. This morning I had 1X until I restarted the device. At a small town in east AZ, Verizon is the only one with data service, but it is VERY!!!! slow. 3G in Phoenix area is about .8 down (on a good day).
Was hesitant due to what im hearing about battery life on LTE, but i guess I'll deal with battery issue since i do want the 32gig option an I'm hearing nothing but good things about Verizon, any other differences between LTE an GSM version?
I drop Sprint and made the switch to Verizon. I had nothing but network problems on Sprint, crappy speed on 3g/4g network. But one thing I can say is once you make the switch to an LTE phone you’ll never go back to regular 3g/4g service! is like going from DVD to bluray.
I've recently moved from a sprint NS4G to a Sprint Gnex (toroplus).
The stock 4.1.1 is awesome, and the performance is great. Battery life and heat are a bit of a issue, but not a deal killer at all.
LTE Coverage ??
My main issue is LTE coverage, or the lack thereof. I have had Sprint be very responsive to my concerns in opening a network ticket, and walking through a network reset [ i.e. SCRTN ( Enter *#*#72786#*#* + MSL ). ] and other steps.
In looking at other threads, posts and dedicated Sprint 4g forums, I'm getting the sense that the toroplus has a less than steller network performance record.
My daughter's unlocked GSM is on a T-Mobile $30/ plan, and it kills mine in all areas around town, so I'm really focusing this thought on the Sprint toroplus.
So, give me feedback on this thought -> Should I switch it for a Sprint Galaxy S 3?
I can not bear to think of not having a stock JB to work off of, but without a steady and strong data connection, so much of the superior software experience is lost to me anyway. I have network issues impacting the performance of so much of the software, from Google talk app to google now.
I hate the GSIII's skin and home button, but if it would give me a significantly better network/data experience, I'm tempted to make the switch.
What do you think?
p.s. Although I am obviously asking a question, I intentionally posted this is 'general' as the overall nature is more of a discussion/opinion. If this is incorrect, PM me and I'll move it or delete it.
I'm assuming your daughter has the GSM version of the Galaxy Nexus? Your question is more about Cell Providers than about phones since you're basing your issues on network performance.
Depends
Gs3 is newer blah blah and has 2gb ram. Nexus is a nexus you will get the latest android sooner than anyone else
Other than that gs3 wins
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donsh00tmesanta said:
Depends
Gs3 is newer blah blah and has 2gb ram. Nexus is a nexus you will get the latest android sooner than anyone else
Other than that gs3 wins
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Agreed but he's basing his theory on the fact that his daughter's phone is faster (network wise) but it's a different network all together. I don't see how a different phone would help if it's a network issue.
Better phone won't make data faster
Get gs3 for T-Mobile in that case
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Why compare when you can buy both..common sense when in doubt buy those two. That would solve ur curiosity:sly:
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Yeah, just buy both, duh. Lol. If only.
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It seems as though, due to both phones being made by Samsung, that the radios in each would at least be comparable, resulting in similar network connectivity and quality. The good thing is that Sprint has the 2 week return period so you can always get the S3 and try it and take it back if the network quality is the same as what you are experiencing with the gnex but you might have to eat the $36 restocking fee... Or complain enough they waive it, haha.
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The S3 is a Samsung so it has its reputable crappy radio signal. I dont think getting the S3 will change things period. Sprint's network is well.. Sprint's network. It has highs and lows you just happen to be in a Low. I mean at my house i get 2 bars of 3G and its like .50 - .75 mbps but going up the street it'll hit full bars with 1.2 - 1.7 mbps its really iffy and all depends on location. Your best bet would be to drop Sprint sell the Gnex and get a GSM gnex and put that sucker on Prepaid T-Mobile or any other GSM carrier.
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The S3 is a Samsung so it has its reputable crappy radio signal. I dont think getting the S3 will change things period. Sprint's network is well.. Sprint's network. It has highs and lows you just happen to be in a Low. I mean at my house i get 2 bars of 3G and its like .50 - .75 mbps but going up the street it'll hit full bars with 1.2 - 1.7 mbps its really iffy and all depends on location. Your best bet would be to drop Sprint sell the Gnex and get a GSM gnex and put that sucker on Prepaid T-Mobile or any other GSM carrier.
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I think you are right, my issue is a get 'the job' to pay for Sprint, so ..... I guess I'm getting what I pay for!
I'm wondering if anyone out there has used on Sprint both a Gnex and G3 at similar locations to prove/disprove if the radios are the same. Seems likely they'd be similar, I had read some reports that at least on Sprint the G3's radio was performing better on LTE.
Thanks.
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I think you are right, my issue is a get 'the job' to pay for Sprint, so ..... I guess I'm getting what I pay for!
I'm wondering if anyone out there has used on Sprint both a Gnex and G3 at similar locations to prove/disprove if the radios are the same. Seems likely they'd be similar, I had read some reports that at least on Sprint the G3's radio was performing better on LTE.
Thanks.
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I'm not even in the US but my LTE experiences prove otherwise. Had a GS2 Skyrocket and while LTE speeds are blazing it has a very weak signal compared to 3g/4g. In full 3g/4g areas it would always have 2 bars less. Indoors it was even worse sometimes gone.(would swap back to 4g) Now not all networks are the same but thought I'd share. As previously mentioned it seems Sprint in your area is the problem not your phone
garu12 said:
I'm not even in the US but my LTE experiences prove otherwise. Had a GS2 Skyrocket and while LTE speeds are blazing it has a very weak signal compared to 3g/4g. In full 3g/4g areas it would always have 2 bars less. Indoors it was even worse sometimes gone.(would swap back to 4g) Now not all networks are the same but thought I'd share. As previously mentioned it seems Sprint in your area is the problem not your phone
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There may be small differences but I would be shocked to learn that the gs3 has some kind of radical advantage over the gnex. The problem is sprint. Luckily they are rolling out lte pretty quickly. By Christmas we should see a decent footprint.
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Does the the note 2 for T-Mobile use a custom sim card to get better speeds, I know it uses a microsim... But is there anything else to it thats different?
No the speeds rely on the modem installed.
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Ahhh okay I installed this on my i317 How to Enable T-Mobile 3G/4G AWS Bands on AT&T Galaxy Note 2 SGH-i317! and was wondering if I needed a certain sim card or not... At the T-Mobile store their note 2 (T889) gets 28MBPS and mine at the same store gets 14MBPS, so it's lead me to asking about this...
Before and after the mod my speeds were the same... I might add.
I wonder if when they roll out with LTE if I'll need to get a new sim then or not?
Actually tmo network may prioritize some customer during network congestion. My understanding is post pay customers have higher priority over prepaid. Corporate store probably has highest priority for their demo units to make a sell.
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darekz said:
Actually tmo network may prioritize some customer during network congestion. My understanding is post pay customers have higher priority over prepaid. Corporate store probably has highest priority for their demo units to make a sell.
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I dont know man. Im a new customer for tmobile my speed varys. Max I get at home 15-18 down and when im up north it goes 20-24 max download. When on a bjsy day I get 5-9 down
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I normally get between 5 and 8 mb download speeds. In the center of my town I can get up to 15 sometimes but if I go 2 blocks away its back to 5. Close to the huge shopping mall by me i can get up to 25 but again, that's in a very small area. There are definitely areas with better antennas but they are still few and far between for me. I remember when I upgraded from my Vibrant to the Sensation, that the Sensation was supposed to get better speeds because of the antenna, yet I never saw a difference. Speeds actually seemed slower most of the time. Now, with the antenna we have on our N2, I STILL see the same speeds as I did with my Vibrant in most places. This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. What is the purpose of a better antenna if there are barely any towers capable of giving you the better speeds? So obviously the phones with HSPA and HSPA+ antennas are only capable of giving you faster speeds if the TOWER you are connected to is capable of it. Honestly, I'm not crossing my fingers for LTE because it seems like these 2 areas around me will be the only ones that have it and I'm rarely ever in those places so I'll just spend most of my time pissed off that I'm not getting the speeds I should be. Tmobile may have a lot of towers in my area but unfortunately most of them are CRAP! Every time I buy a new phone with a better antenna, I get the hopes of actually being able to use my phone during intermission at the Blackhawks game like all the AT&T iPhone people can. Yet it always stays the same.
I guess what I'm trying to say is it all comes down to the tower you're connected to. I've never been able to get a definitive answer on all this but it does irritate me that a TMO store could enable their phones to get faster speeds than the phone we buy from them. That's total BS if it's true. Besides, couldn't I just go in the store, run some speed tests and they claim mine is defective because it's not getting the same speeds?
I'm using a Toro Nexus that was recently given to me by a coworker and it works great everywhere except where I live and work. It simply refuses to connect to LTE within NYC, where it stays on 3G. As soon as I get outside of the city it has great LTE connectivity which allows me to make use of my unlimited data plan.
I started out stock, then flashed to 4.4, 5.1 and even tried the latest experimental ROMs without any change. Verizon did whatever testing they do on their end and said that, because of the buildings in NYC, the phone is incapable of receiving LTE. That sounded like a crock of crap to me so, using a few of my remaining grey cells, I put my sim card into my wife's Galaxy Note 3 and, voila! no more LTE.
So I'm getting ready to make an angry call to Verizon when I think, why not try the wife's sim in my Toro. Result: 3G only. Pop it back into the Note: LTE.
Dang! Can anyone offer some insight as to what is going on?
Thanks for any help.
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I'm using a Toro Nexus that was recently given to me by a coworker and it works great everywhere except where I live and work. It simply refuses to connect to LTE within NYC, where it stays on 3G. As soon as I get outside of the city it has great LTE connectivity which allows me to make use of my unlimited data plan.
I started out stock, then flashed to 4.4, 5.1 and even tried the latest experimental ROMs without any change. Verizon did whatever testing they do on their end and said that, because of the buildings in NYC, the phone is incapable of receiving LTE. That sounded like a crock of crap to me so, using a few of my remaining grey cells, I put my sim card into my wife's Galaxy Note 3 and, voila! no more LTE.
So I'm getting ready to make an angry call to Verizon when I think, why not try the wife's sim in my Toro. Result: 3G only. Pop it back into the Note: LTE.
Dang! Can anyone offer some insight as to what is going on?
Thanks for any help.
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When you go to Settings, what is the signal strength reported?
I have a ex-VZW GNex (toro) that I have moved to Tracfone; I have every reason to believe that Tracfone uses (mostly) T-Mobile towers in my area, and I have ALWAYS had signal-strength issues via T-M towers. (Tracfone has towers assigned to it on a zip-code basis, and it's not always T-Mobile; in some zip codes, Tracfone uses VZW towers.) It could well BE tower-siting issues plaguing VZW in the Apple - which is, amazingly, smack dab in VZW's turf.
I wish there was a way to determine exactly WHICH tower that a phone aims at while on the move - so you can find "bum towers".