so far from what i read and comprehend so far is if i were to root my note (via http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1955423) and install a rom ( either one of the recently updated myroms) my warranty is void
however, if i were to download an app (triangle way i think?) it would reset a counter to 0 and then i could just flash a stock rom so that tmobile wont know the difference in case i need to use my warranty ?
anything else i should know before i root? i want to be absolutely sure. thanks for everything xda!
As long as you are able to put the phone back to stock, flash counter back to zero, you'll be fine on warranty issues.
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|OP|, what you wanna do is flash a root66 odin (check dev section) and then run triangle away. Once the counter is reset, fire up the rom and open SuperSU and click the unroot option. Now you are in the clear.
Do you need to use triangle away when you first root your phone? Or can you just use it when you need to return the phone back to stock? I want to root and if I need to return my phone for warranty I want to be able to put the phone back to stock with 0 flash counter.
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hold on but.....
dpshptl said:
Do you need to use triangle away when you first root your phone? Or can you just use it when you need to return the phone back to stock? I want to root and if I need to return my phone for warranty I want to be able to put the phone back to stock with 0 flash counter.
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U can just hold on on if u need to return it for service, u don't have to use it rite now since u most likely will be flashing roms and u will be triggering ur counter everytime u flash or root ur device.
ONE THING TO KNOW ABOUT TRIANGLE AWAY, IS THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW ( I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT HAS TRIANGLE AWAY WORKING AFTER THE 1ST JB UPDATE ) TRIANGLE AWAY WON'T WORK ON OUR DEVICES PAST JB, SO IF U NEED TO RESET YOU COUNTER U NEED TO ODIN BACK TO ICS STOCK ROOTED AND THEN USE TRIANGLE AWAY.
sorry about the caps, just tryin to make my point clear, if anyone has triangle away working on JB please feel free to post about it.:laugh:
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U can just hold on on if u need to return it for service, u don't have to use it rite now since u most likely will be flashing roms and u will be triggering ur counter everytime u flash or root ur device.
ONE THING TO KNOW ABOUT TRIANGLE AWAY, IS THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW ( I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT HAS TRIANGLE AWAY WORKING AFTER THE 1ST JB UPDATE ) TRIANGLE AWAY WON'T WORK ON OUR DEVICES PAST JB, SO IF U NEED TO RESET YOU COUNTER U NEED TO ODIN BACK TO ICS STOCK ROOTED AND THEN USE TRIANGLE AWAY.
sorry about the caps, just tryin to make my point clear, if anyone has triangle away working on JB please feel free to post about it.:laugh:
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This is not even close to the truth.
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This is not even close to the truth.
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and u say this because? I mean I'm just talking on my experience with triangle away and JB It didn't work, I would use it and it would reset but once I restarted the counter would go back to "1" and honestly I'm not the only one, so please if u know the rite answer please explain, just calling me a liar is not helping anyone at all.
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and u say this because? I mean I'm just talking on my experience with triangle away and JB It didn't work, I would use it and it would reset but once I restarted the counter would go back to "1" and honestly I'm not the only one, so please if u know the rite answer please explain, just calling me a liar is not helping anyone at all.
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I'm not calling you a liar. I simply stated that your post was not factually accurate. TriangleAway does indeed work as intended on even the new MD5.
Using a custom recovery will cause your flash counter to trip on newer JB builds. This may be what you meant, but the issue is not related to TA. It's a bootloader "feature". You can witness this yourself by resetting the flash counter, then rebooting into download mode. Count will be 0.
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I'm not calling you a liar. I simply stated that your post was not factually accurate. TriangleAway does indeed work as intended on even the new MD5.
Using a custom recovery will cause your flash counter to trip on newer JB builds. This may be what you meant, but the issue is not related to TA. It's a bootloader "feature". You can witness this yourself by resetting the flash counter, then rebooting into download mode. Count will be 0.
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So what u're saying is that my custom recovery is to blamed? I can say that statement is partially true. Wait.. u think I havent tried to reset my counter while on JB before?? I'm telling it didn't work why don't you go head and try to reset your counter and show that it did work.
check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxpL46-Zd0A&feature=youtu.be
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So what u're saying is that my custom recovery is to blamed? I can say that statement is partially true. Wait.. u think I havent tried to reset my counter while on JB before?? I'm telling it didn't work why don't you go head and try to reset your counter and show that it did work.
check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxpL46-Zd0A&feature=youtu.be
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He's correct. Having a custom recovery will always trip the flash counter to 1 after every subsequent reboot. If you use Ta and reboot, you'll see 0. But the next time you reboot and don't use Ta you will see 1. It doesn't matter what ROM you run or how you've rooted in the end, the custom binary (TWRP / CWM) will Always trip the counter.
That being said if you don't want to continously trip the counter you're going to need to go back to stock recovery.
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TheLastSidekick said:
He's correct. Having a custom recovery will always trip the flash counter to 1 after every subsequent reboot. If you use Ta and reboot, you'll see 0. But the next time you reboot and don't use Ta you will see 1. It doesn't matter what ROM you run or how you've rooted in the end, the custom binary (TWRP / CWM) will Always trip the counter.
That being said if you don't want to continously trip the counter you're going to need to go back to stock recovery.
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I do Agree with his statment, however while I was on any ICS rom even with custom recovery, TA would work even after a reboot, so my counter would stay at "0" it wasnt after I upgraded to JB when the TA would reset after reboot. I will upload a video of doing TA on ICS and everything just to prove I'm not just arguing just because. but it will have to wait til l8er tonite.
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I do Agree with his statment, however while I was on any ICS rom even with custom recovery, TA would work even after a reboot, so my counter would stay at "0" it wasnt after I upgraded to JB when the TA would reset after reboot. I will upload a video of doing TA on ICS and everything just to prove I'm not just arguing just because. but it will have to wait til l8er tonite.
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There is no need for a video. I understand what you are saying, and I'm telling you, it's because of the bootloader. Not TriangleAway.
I am on 4.1.1 and TA 2.90 works FINE, the Counter shows "0" after a bunch of reboots, and "Allow tracker to run" is checked...
The ONLY time the counter trips is when/if I boot into the recovery or downloader modes.
I guess some structure of the setup makes a difference. I am using Root66 SGHT999 Build JR003L.T999UVDLJA with a T999UVDMD5 Baseband
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I am on 4.1.1 and TA 2.90 works FINE, the Counter shows "0" after a bunch of reboots, and "Allow tracker to run" is checked...
The ONLY time the counter trips is when/if I boot into the recovery or downloader modes.
I guess some structure of the setup makes a difference. I am using Root66 SGHT999 Build JR003L.T999UVDLJA with a T999UVDMD5 Baseband
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kool. maybe that's a good workaround. thanks. but in my case still won't work.. but then again i'm 4.1.2. thanks!
Mr_Jay_jay said:
U can just hold on on if u need to return it for service, u don't have to use it rite now since u most likely will be flashing roms and u will be triggering ur counter everytime u flash or root ur device.
ONE THING TO KNOW ABOUT TRIANGLE AWAY, IS THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW ( I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT HAS TRIANGLE AWAY WORKING AFTER THE 1ST JB UPDATE ) TRIANGLE AWAY WON'T WORK ON OUR DEVICES PAST JB, SO IF U NEED TO RESET YOU COUNTER U NEED TO ODIN BACK TO ICS STOCK ROOTED AND THEN USE TRIANGLE AWAY.
sorry about the caps, just tryin to make my point clear, if anyone has triangle away working on JB please feel free to post about it.:laugh:
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You can avoid using Odin and flash old firmware (excluding system / kernel) directly via heimdall or dd (which can be nicely bundled into an update.zip), avoiding the whole mess of needing Odin/Windows and having to backup+restore your system.
I think I'll make an update.zip just to flash the oldest firmware onto our phones -- I just made one that flashes the latest UVDMD5 firmware. The ROM shouldn't make a difference as far as trying to clear the flash counter really, it's the firmware that would be blocking that.
Also, flashing ROMs through CWM Recovery (and probably other custom ones) avoids tripping the flash counter. If you can root your ROM and dd the recovery directly to your eMMC, it avoids tripping the flash counter. Then you can use CWM Recovery to flash things without tripping the counter as well.
Remember, these are just computers with Linux + kernel modifications + custom Java VM running on them, essentially. It's good to become comfortable with UNIX commands like dd.
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Also, flashing ROMs through CWM Recovery (and probably other custom ones) avoids tripping the flash counter. If you can root your ROM and dd the recovery directly to your eMMC, it avoids tripping the flash counter. Then you can use CWM Recovery to flash things without tripping the counter as well.
Remember, these are just computers with Linux + kernel modifications + custom Java VM running on them, essentially. It's good to become comfortable with UNIX commands like dd.
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I think you might be a tad off on this ......
just booting into recovery when you use anything other than a stock recovery will trip the flash counter. the ONLY way that counter won't trip is when you use a stock recovery. At least that's been the case with all of the doings on my rooted gs3 and Note 10.1
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I think you might be a tad off on this ......
just booting into recovery when you use anything other than a stock recovery will trip the flash counter. the ONLY way that counter won't trip is when you use a stock recovery. At least that's been the case with all of the doings on my rooted gs3 and Note 10.1
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Really? I mean I'm no authority on this, so I could be wrong but I based this off my findings last night. I was in Download mode quite a few times and got to see my Flash Counter which was at 3. I've gone into recovery dozens if not hundreds of times by now on this device as well as flashed dozens and dozens of things ...
Even if it was just an 8-bit counter that overflowed, I'd need to have flashed over 256 things which I don't think I've reached yet and it would be totally silly if Samsung made the counter so easy to defeat that an 8-bit numeric overflow would bring it back to 0.
Can anyone else chime/weigh in? I'm curious now. I heard that using dd is supposed to avoid the flash counter. As a software engineer, I'd think there has to be some hook to trip that counter and that hook would belong to whatever firmware is on the phone for flashing (i.e. the stock recovery) and that if any other software gains control of the phone, all bets are off.
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I think you might be a tad off on this ......
just booting into recovery when you use anything other than a stock recovery will trip the flash counter. the ONLY way that counter won't trip is when you use a stock recovery. At least that's been the case with all of the doings on my rooted gs3 and Note 10.1
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I don't know who told you all of that or where you read it but you are wrong.
The only things that trip the flash counter is when you flash a custom rom or a custom kernel.
Simply booting into stock or custom recovery will not trip the flash counter at all.
Think about it, that's why it's called a FLASH counter, it counts the number of rom and kernel flashes. LOL
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I don't know who told you all of that or where you read it but you are wrong.
The only things that trip the flash counter is when you flash a custom rom or a custom kernel.
Simply booting into stock or custom recovery will not trip the flash counter at all.
Think about it, that's why it's called a FLASH counter, it counts the number of rom and kernel flashes. LOL
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It trips whenever I boot into TWRP though. Maybe some phones are different?
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re: unlocked?
TheLastSidekick said:
It trips whenever I boot into TWRP though. Maybe some phones are different?
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Perhaps since I have an unlocked phone it might make a difference?
I have a Galaxy S3 AT&T I747 Unlocked phone and am using it with Tmobile service.
That makes sense actually lol as it says I have an SGH-T999 and mine isn't unlocked. Probably the model of the phone acts slightly differently with Ta and recoveries.
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In my case My counter won't move from "1" no matter what I do, Restart to download or Recovery ( TWRP), or flash a new rom which I do alot, only way it goes from 1 to "2" is when I do something to my phone and I need to odin back to stock and re root(which I did for research) ... it's then it gets trigger again.
just got another galaxy s4 from tmobile and im trying to downgrade back to mdl instead of mk2 i already tried to odin but it keeps falling now im stuck at the keis upgrade screen
The only way you can downgrade is to flash a ROM in custom recovery.. Why would you want to downgrade?
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well i was told that if i didnt i would have to deal with all the knox crap but as i stated right now im stuck at a screen that says firmware upgrade encountered an issue with a phone icon with a yellow triangle in the middle with a computer on the other end is there anyway to boot from this screen
Try to Odin 4.3.. There's no way to downgrade it without tripping the warranty counter. And fyi you can just flash a custom 4.3 ROM, no Knox
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Here's the deal with ur new phone..
1.- as stated before u cant downgrade, Samsung or Google Made the 4.3 so U cant Downgrade even thru Odin. (well u can but you won't get Rid of Knox counter and U will need to "void" your warranty by flashing a different version of android)
2.- You can still Root your phone without triggering Ur Knox Counter which since u are already have since you're on 4.3 and u cant get rid of it.. Just use CT-Root, debloat the phone and install whatever Root apps u enjoy (this is my current state since I too Had to exchange my phone)
3.- If you do decide to root your phone, only way to trigger the Knox counter is by installing a Custom recovery and Flashing anything thru it.
at this point it all depends on what u want to do with your phone, stay on Pure NOT ROOTED stock or Rooted Stock with no recovery or just go all out and root install recovery and trigger your Knox counter "loosing" ur warranty
Do i have to be on stock firmware without root to do triangle away and reset the counter or i have to be on custom rom?
please guide me.. this is my first time.. Galaxy Note 8.0 N5100 version
ProTest Art said:
Do i have to be on stock firmware without root to do triangle away and reset the counter or i have to be on custom rom?
please guide me.. this is my first time.. Galaxy Note 8.0 N5100 version
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I don't use Triangle Away with my rooted factory ROM. It is only needed when installing a custom recovery or custom ROM, and some older Odin installed rooting.
You don't need Triangle Away to operate a custom ROM or modification... it is a nice app to remove the yellow triangle warning screen during bootup if that is happening.
I recommend Saferoot.zip as it is the safest way to root and can be easily removed within the SuperSU settings.
Right now I am happy with stock ROM, using Xposed... I don't think 4.4.x will do much better, as I get over 8 hours battery time with normal use, and have my customizations the way I like them.
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Do i have to be on stock firmware without root to do triangle away and reset the counter or i have to be on custom rom?
please guide me.. this is my first time.. Galaxy Note 8.0 N5100 version
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you can be in stock firmware but you need root to use triangle away. oh you also need to be using a stock recovery as well if not the counter will stick to 1. anyway it only work to clear the normal counter. it wont work on knox counter.
ProTest Art said:
Do i have to be on stock firmware without root to do triangle away and reset the counter or i have to be on custom rom?
please guide me.. this is my first time.. Galaxy Note 8.0 N5100 version
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Stock firmware, stock recovery, and you need root. TriangleAway needs to be the last modification you make before de-rooting.
Out of curiosity, are you sending it back to Samsung or selling it? The only real reason to reset the flash counter is for warranty work, or to clean it up before selling it. There's no real need to reset that counter otherwise; there's no functional change from doing it. Just FYI.
Just want to check wether it's only on my SM-T705 ...
1 Mobile Odin 4.20 says ... device not supported.
2 Tringle Away 3.26 thinks it worked but doesnt. And I would need it badly (counter =22).
3 TWRP -2.7.1.1-klimtwifi backups work but its SuperSU = Root installation doesnt.
4 Flash Counter is increased whenever I flash a non stock .img = e.g. CF-Autoroot or TWRP with Odin
5 Knox is tripped by the same actions that increase the flash counter
6 Flash counter stays if one flashes stock recovery, even if I flash one from another country
7 If TWRP is installed via adb dd or Flashify the counter is not increased
8 What about flashing with Heimdall ... does the counter behave like if one uses Odin ?
9 How can we view the flash counter besides using Triangle Away, is there a non root or any other methode ?
10 Is there a way to get cf-Autoroot on the device without increasing the flash Counter or even without triggering Knox (like TowelRoot,...) ?
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Just want to check wether it's only on my SM-T705 ...
1 Mobile Odin 4.20 says ... device not supported.
2 Tringle Away 3.26 thinks it worked but doesnt. And I would need it badly (counter =22).
3 TWRP -2.7.1.1-klimtwifi backups work but its SuperSU = Root installation doesnt.
4 Flash Counter is increased whenever I flash a non stock .img = e.g. CF-Autoroot or TWRP with Odin
5 Knox is tripped by the same actions that increase the flash counter
6 Flash counter stays if one flashes stock recovery, even if I flash one from another country
7 If TWRP is installed via adb dd or Flashify the counter is not increased
8 What about flashing with Heimdall ... does the counter behave like if one uses Odin ?
9 How can we view the flash counter besides using Triangle Away, is there a non root or any other methode ?
10 Is there a way to get cf-Autoroot on the device without increasing the flash Counter or even without triggering Knox (like TowelRoot,...) ?
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1. still not supported. pm chainfire about it and request to add the support on the main thread.
2. its the same as 1.
3. its not working. that twrp still contain some bug. so use cf-root to root your device. THE ONE AND ONLY WAY NOW.
4. yup. it will increase the counter.
5. yup. it will as well. but the counter will be on 0x1 we still dont know if they have another counter about knox that we cannot see.
6. anything stock the counter will remain the same. its like it has a check up to verify it somewhere.
7. is it... this one i cant say... rarely use those command.
8. also cant say anything about this. leave heimdal so long i kind of forget it exist... lolz...
9. last time we can see it at download mode. now i don't know.
10. nope. those exploit has been patch by Geohot himself since he now working with them.