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Root then update or update then root?

Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?

jkcpsal said:
Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?
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Post this question in Q&A or reply to one of the root threads and ask it. This really clutters up this forum.
Also, just root then update.

Dont Update
Never do an OTA (OVER THE AIR) UPDATE....IF YOU WANT ROOT IN THE FUTURE
What you need to do is root then flash a rom that is built off of the newest update.
and BTW post threads in the right forums so next time you wont get you ass ripped

yeah sorry was just thinking it was relevant not a forum expert though will move or delete thanks for the reply

jkcpsal said:
Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?
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As the others said, this should be in Q&A. To go into more depth though on why you want to root then update, all of the more recent root efforts are based around flashing an earlier version of the stock rom to allow rooting. If you were to update and then root you would be going forward then backward in order to go forward again (ie. update, downgrade, root, update). Doesn't make much sense.

+1 Root then unlock nand then flash custom, no need to update, most customs are based off of newest update, as previously stated of course

How to UNROOT the Jelly Bean 4.1.1?

Okay, I was on ICS 4.0.4 Yakju build. I flashed it using Gnex tool kit and then rooted the phone as well. Also left the bootloaded unlocked.
Today I received the OTA 4.1.1 Jelly Bean update. I began with the procedure and it downloaded well and good but then the installation was interrupted and the phone booted into my old 4.0.4 version. As it turns out, you should not accept the OTA update if you're rooted (lucky, I got away with it). I dont exactly know what caused my installation to fail, the root or the unlocked bootloader or both. Anyway, I used Gnex Tool Kit and 'Flashed the Google Factory Stock Rom' (exactly the same way how I got the yakju 4.0.4 build in the first place) , that left my phone with just as new Stock 4.0.4, UNROOTED with locked bootloader! Just like out of the box. Then I went on with my OTA update and it went through like a charm.
Anyway, now I'm on 4.1.1 Jelly Bean. I want to root the phone because I use too many apps that requires root access. So the latest version of Gnex Tool Kit (7.4) supports Jelly Bean root. But I dont wanna Root my phone this time unless I know how to UnRoot it. Don't wanna go against OTAs. (might start using CM rom when the next android version comes out) but till then I only want OTA updates.
So, can anyone tell me how to UNROOT the 4.1.1 Jelly Bean? (without wipe or deleting all the data) It'll be awesome if it can be done by Gnext Tool Kit. If not, then I dont mind doing it the hard way.
I wanted to post this question in 'Gnext toolkit' forum but I dont have enough privileges. So please help me out
As you can see I'm a noob. So please excuse my ignorance :/
Thanks a lot

Nobody? Please anyone help

Well root and your bootloader status (unlocked or not) really shouldn't affect your ability to receive an OTA IIRC. It should still work successfully although you may lose root.
Anywho, to unroot all you have to do is delete the 'superuser' application whether it be Superuser or SuperSu and then delete 'su' in /system/bin. That should work though IMO the cleanest way to unroot is to just restore the stock images.

Unlawful said:
Anywho, to unroot all you have to do is delete the 'superuser' application whether it be Superuser or SuperSu and then delete 'su' in /system/bin. That should work though IMO the cleanest way to unroot is to just restore the stock images.
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Well, I guess you cant uninstall SuperUser. I tried that before updating but it acts like a system app and you cant delete it, unless you have 'System app remover' software, but then again it needs Root access to work so the whole thing is pointless I guess
And restore stock image HOW? I mean can you elaborate a lil please!
Using Gnex Tool Kit, which option? (my guess, 'Flash Google Factory Stock Rom' cuz for me it works but it wipes all your data.. backup solution?)

Super su has an unroot option
Here's a screenshot attached
Hit Thanks if i helped

Niallfitzy1 said:
Super su has an unroot option
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Hey thanks
But does it work on Jelly Bean?? Also, when you Root Gnex using ToolKit then you have SuperUser and not SuperSU :| Whats the way around it?

tojonegi said:
Hey thanks
But does it work on Jelly Bean?? Also, when you Root Gnex using ToolKit then you have SuperUser and not SuperSU :| Whats the way around it?
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Installing supersu and giving it root access to update such binary removes original superuser apps control you can switch just by downloading super su so it should work, cannot test myself though
Hit thanks if I helped

Niallfitzy1 said:
Installing supersu and giving it root access to update such binary removes original superuser apps control you can switch just by downloading super su so it should work, cannot test myself though
Hit thanks if I helped
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Okay thanks, I'm gonna try this ^^
Hope it works well in the future while receiving OTA updates
P.S. I'd already hit Thanks

[Q] Rooting question/advice

I have been unable to find a thread that discusses my issue. Samsung GS3/AT&T (SGH-i747) I have been using a stock ROM rooted until AT&T pushed an OTA update to 4.0.4 baseband I747UCLH9. Now Superuser logs show Superuser, Avast and ES Task Manager had root access accepted, but Titanium and another app (Root Checker) are being denied.
a. am I still rooted and just need to tweak something?
b. If i re-flash superuser will I be sorry?
I don't really want to flash a new ROM or wipe. Any advice including links and steps would be greatly appreciated.

Just a disclaimer: I am a noob to Android. Having said that, I also rooted my AT&T GS3 and then without even thinking accepted the OTA update. The update to UCHL9 build wiped my root. Again since I'm a noob, I spent hours reading through posts to figure out what happened. I finally found some good information in posts on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
On page 110 of the thread there is a post by 'haywood' that I followed to root my device again. Of course, I did have to wipe and flash again which I understand you do not want to do.
Maybe reading through some more of the posts on that thread will lead you to a different method.

madge22 said:
Just a disclaimer: I am a noob to Android. Having said that, I also rooted my AT&T GS3 and then without even thinking accepted the OTA update. The update to UCHL9 build wiped my root. Again since I'm a noob, I spent hours reading through posts to figure out what happened. I finally found some good information in posts on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
On page 110 of the thread there is a post by 'haywood' that I followed to root my device again. Of course, I did have to wipe and flash again which I understand you do not want to do.
Maybe reading through some more of the posts on that thread will lead you to a different method.
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lol I went looking for that post and ended up reading through 4 pages lol. Thanks for the tip, Just for future reference you can right click on the post number and copy url and paste it for a link to a specific post like so http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31816685&postcount=1100 as not everyone has the same setting for page display, your page 110 was my page 22 lol.

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NVWSSV said:
I have been unable to find a thread that discusses my issue. Samsung GS3/AT&T (SGH-i747) I have been using a stock ROM rooted until AT&T pushed an OTA update to 4.0.4 baseband I747UCLH9. Now Superuser logs show Superuser, Avast and ES Task Manager had root access accepted, but Titanium and another app (Root Checker) are being denied.
a. am I still rooted and just need to tweak something?
b. If i re-flash superuser will I be sorry?
I don't really want to flash a new ROM or wipe. Any advice including links and steps would be greatly appreciated.
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Some OTA updates will wipe out your root permissions. You can get around this using SuperSU or RootKeeper. With rootkeeper you just backup your root permissions, update via OTA, and then go back to Rootkeeper to restore root. Worked for me going from UCALG1 to UCLH9.

I have had a few different android devices that didn't want to give root to TB and a few other apps. I would suggest downloading SuperSU from the play store (it's free) and seeing if your TB will get root then. Definitely check in to an OTA rootkeeper so that it will back up your SU + busybox in the likely case that an OTA you try to install will wipe root. On that note, if you removed any bloat or system apps, the OTA's will fail. I think that also applies to build.prop and other system mods too, because trying to update my AT&T S3 has been a nightmare since I flashed stock rom w/ root injected and removed a few apps. I came to the conclusion that for me, it is much easier to just flash a custom ROM + kernel (I recommend Codename Android + Lean Kernel) via ClockworkMod Recovery and never worry about updates being pushed on me from the carrier. There are definitely more options that way, because YOU choose when you think it is worth it to update, but there is much more room for error, so do your research, and then do it again just to make sure!
I'm new to XDA, we have to start somewhere, right? :good:

[Q] about CF-Auto-Root v1.0 and Unroot

Hello , this is my first post, i 've read a lot for my 2 precedents phones, galaxy S and ACE.
I just bought the Note 2 that i just want to root.
I saw different methods , i really appreciate the Chainfire CF-Auto-Root v1.0 because it stays with stock recovery.
My problem is warranty. I understand that i can reset my counter to 0 with Triangle away . But after i have to unroot to get back warranty.
The only method i saw, is to flash ROM with Mobile odin
But my note 2 doesn't come with stock ROM but with my operator ROM which is ORANGE.
I searched on samfirmware, there is no such French Orange ROM for Note 2.
So I wonder if There is (or will be) a method to Unroot without flashing new ROM
or a method to create a flashable ROM from my untouched Note2 (which i think is just a dream )
or do i have to wait Orange post a new rom for the Note2
Thank you for reading

totophil said:
Hello , this is my first post, i 've read a lot for my 2 precedents phones, galaxy S and ACE.
I just bought the Note 2 that i just want to root.
I saw different methods , i really appreciate the Chainfire CF-Auto-Root v1.0 because it stays with stock recovery.
My problem is warranty. I understand that i can reset my counter to 0 with Triangle away . But after i have to unroot to get back warranty.
The only method i saw, is to flash ROM with Mobile odin
But my note 2 doesn't come with stock ROM but with my operator ROM which is ORANGE.
I searched on samfirmware, there is no such French Orange ROM for Note 2.
So I wonder if There is (or will be) a method to Unroot without flashing new ROM
or a method to create a flashable ROM from my untouched Note2 (which i think is just a dream )
or do i have to wait Orange post a new rom for the Note2
Thank you for reading
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Better wait for a Orange rom you can flash with Odin after you choose to unroot. After flash perform a full wipe in settings, backup and restore, restore to standard or something like that. After the flash and restore you`re in stock condition

Thanks.
So it means that if i want to root now , i loose my warranty till orange would like to post a new ROM.
No other way

totophil said:
Thanks.
So it means that if i want to root now , i loose my warranty till orange would like to post a new ROM.
No other way
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If you root now and there is a problem with the device and you turn it in rooted an with no original firmware, it may lead to the loss of warranty. You may have to pay for repairs out of your own pocket then

Than you so i will wait.
and pray chainfire or someone esle post something to unroot without flashing,
because if not i will certainly wait very long after Orange

If you root with Chainfire's auto root, you can unroot from super su setting, there is option to unroot completely. May be it leaves some footprint but I don't thing it is visible normally.
But don't forget to remove everything if you have pushed manually in system rom(like some mode or application you have copied) after unrooting you can't remove.
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dr.ketan said:
If you root with Chainfire's auto root, you can unroot from super su setting, there is option to unroot completely. May be it leaves some footprint but I don't thing it is visible normally.
But don't forget to remove everything if you have pushed manually in system rom(like some mode or application you have copied) after unrooting you can't remove.
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I thought unroot in super SU was only temporary for developpers or to use applications that won't start if phone is rooted.
I will try it on my galaxy ACE. And hope it will work in the same manner on the note2.
thank you.:good:

OK. Thank you dr.ketan.
i found the option in Super SU
But i wonder if,as The note 2 is new , unrooting could be also different as other phones. And perhaps unrooting method of Super SU won't work on Note2. Or unrooting is universal for all android phones.
Any way to know in an other way than trying myself ? .
Off topic: I know i'm new user but could someone tell me how long do i have to wait before i do not need to write CAPTCHA each time i want to post, or is this last forever for everyone?

Supersu works where it is available, but if you have rooted device with kernel integrate with Supersu, it will remain root device on next boot..
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dr.ketan said:
If you root with Chainfire's auto root, you can unroot from super su setting, there is option to unroot completely...
don't forget to remove everything if you have pushed manually in system rom... after unrooting you can't remove.
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Hey dr.ketan!
I've been looking for an answer to my issue but could not find it so may I ask you for help, please?
I have rooted my SGSIII (the process added CWM and superSU).
After a month I recieved the update to JB4.1.1; I installed it and the root acces was disapear but SuperSU app stills there!!
I want to root my phone again, Do I have to uninstall SuperSU before I manage to root with any method for JB 4.1.1?
Thank you very much!!!:good:

SU Not working
I attempted rooting my AT&T SGH-I747 Galaxy S3 (Android 4.3) using CF's Auto Root. Installation went fine, rebooted through recovery.That's when things went south. I keep getting Android security warnings, and SuperSU continuously FC's. Root checking apps are unable to get root access. Any ideas to get it working?

[Q] Need help with update

I want to update the phone software but its not letting me because i rooted my phone. Currently my phone is un-rooted but device status is still MODIFIED.
First of all i just want to say i did search and look up how to update my phone after i have rooted there are just so many ways and threads im confused all in all myself
Can some one just briefly guide me what steps do i have to take. i do no want detailed step by step instructions but an outline where i have to go what i have to get.

azi90 said:
I want to update the phone software but its not letting me because i rooted my phone. Currently my phone is un-rooted but device status is still MODIFIED.
First of all i just want to say i did search and look up how to update my phone after i have rooted there are just so many ways and threads im confused all in all myself
Can some one just briefly guide me what steps do i have to take. i do no want detailed step by step instructions but an outline where i have to go what i have to get.
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Download the latest firmware for your device (and carrier) from here. http://samsung-updates.com/. Flash with Odin. If you are just stock rooted, it should update the firmware without wiping everything. Either way be sure to do a nandroid backup and store it off device. You will need to re root afterwards.

So if i dont reroot it would i still be able to download update after this whole process?

azi90 said:
So if i dont reroot it would i still be able to download update after this whole process?
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Yes that is correct. After flashing latest official firmware you will be stock unmodified and open to future updates.

Did u flash custom recovery? If u root with CR auto root. U shall update direct from ota after u keep it. Use ota root keeper and try.
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this is where things get confusing for me. I remember i rooted it using stock ROM and than un rooted the phone. so i guess following the first poster message helpme

Easy way (should be): Follow this post from the general forum (rather than here in the Q&A forum) from upndwn4par:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2387423
If you are totally stock, but only rooted, it appears that most everyone set up that way has been able to skip step one and successfully get updated and keep root. Note that doing it this way will most likely also reset your phone and you will need to reinstall all your apps and such - doing a Titanium Backup or similar for user apps (not system apps!) might help speed up the process. If you have done a lot of customizing and it doesn't work without, you may have to go back and try step one, and then the rest. But I do not think you will have this issue.