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Question about wireless tether

I rooted completely, and now am installing wifi tether... but my question is, will this cost me anything? ive looked around but i cant get a definite answer. I dont want to do this and then get a bill with the mobile broadband charge...
Thanks.

Nope. It shouldnt. I don't think there's really any way for Verizon to tell because you're really just using an app that redirects your 3G connection to other computers over WiFi.
This is my 3rd phone that I've had which I've used some sort of hack to get tethering to work. So far after about 5 years I haven't been billed once.

Thanks... i kinda figured that... I remember doing this kind of stuff back in the razr, krzr days and never got caught.. Im suprised they never caught on lol

you have unlimited data, though it really isn't unlimited. If they see you going above like 5gb a month etc ( I think it is usually around 5gb) they will start asking questions so just don't do to much.

Alright Thanks.. Now i have absolutely no remorse for turning down the pre plus with free hotspot... LOL

Yeah I just install 'My Verizon' and monitor my usage throughout the month so I stay around 5gb or under. Haven't had a problem using this method...I only tether to use with my ipad.

[Q] Will T-Mo really be able to tell when you're tethering?

Can someone explain to me how T-Mo will be able to tell the difference between regular browsing on the G2 and tethering? I use the wireless tether for root users and the usb tether for root users apps. I have a feeling that as long as you're not constantly getting your bandwidth throttled from going over the data cap you won't get charged. I guess we'll find out this week as their tethering plans are starting on sunday.

T-mobile has a application I believe.. thats what I've been hearing... That you get charged $10 the moment you activate it. But T-mobile will know a tether user from a regular bandwidth user, they caught me for tethering on my G1.. said I use A LOT of data... way over 5GB worth...

creepinm3 said:
T-mobile has a application I believe.. thats what I've been hearing... That you get charged $10 the moment you activate it. But T-mobile will know a tether user from a regular bandwidth user, they caught me for tethering on my G1.. said I use A LOT of data... way over 5GB worth...
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They wont know, since data is data. When you stream media or use youtube, that takes a lot of data. They will throttle your speed after the 5gb, but I "heard" there's a loop hole in the system...By switching the 2G only for around an hour and going back to 3G only, your phone will get back the full speed. i only use tether when not in wifi area or home or for PS3 to increase pc bandwidth. Maybe they do have an app, but people have been tether for years on diff phones. There are other tether apps besides froyo one, easythether, pdanet, barnacle,etc. The android price is already high for no good reason, and we should get the free tethering, cause other phones have cheaper data.I dont see why android gets a higher data package, before my plan was around 50, now its like 80 a month.

If you currently have unlimited data, you will be grandfathered in as of 11/14 and will not be charged for tethering.
This came straight from my T-Mobile rep.

rwbarnes67 said:
If you currently have unlimited data, you will be grandfathered in as of 11/14 and will not be charged for tethering.
This came straight from my T-Mobile rep.
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i am sorry, but thats like saying a gnome told you

CHECK THIS OUT. I had issues earlier with roaming on wifi tether. So I redownloaded the (root) wifi tether to see if tmo was capping me. Well? This is the address that popped up both times on both stock and root wifi tether {http://offers.t-mobile.com/tethering/admin/roaming.jsp} after the page told me that it can't be redirected.I believe this address is in the programming on the sim. When you tether, look at the bottom left of your web page where it tells you the progress of that page. You will see "offers.t-mobile.com". Your page gets directed there first than back to you. That's how they now. Funny thing is, I had roaming tether this morning at 03:30 cst. Noon comes around and nothing. It works fine on their network (not roaming). To answer the golden question if tmo can tell if we are tethering or not? YES!! Tmo verified that for me today without asking. Tether charges will take place on the 14th and we will be notified first to have the choice. They said now that they have the HSPA+ network that they now have control of tether. And also mentioned that other networks have been doing this. "This is a business and we have to make money too" Tmo rep.
This issue can be argued by usps by going to tmobile.com and going to customer relations link and there you find a physical address to headquarters. I was told they will reply to your complaint,concern or comments.
I will be writing them when I get in from Washington.
edit; I just checked for the address at the bottom of the page while on tmo network (not roaming) and I did not see the afore mentioned. maybe it only shows while roaming. IDK
Edit; 11/13 15:17cst:/
Roaming issue fixed. Flashed a repacked stock rom. Fixed all issues I was having after flashing bb 03.

rwbarnes67 said:
If you currently have unlimited data, you will be grandfathered in as of 11/14 and will not be charged for tethering.
This came straight from my T-Mobile rep.
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apzalo said:
i am sorry, but thats like saying a gnome told you
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Exactly. My wife works for T-mobile. She has worked on the sales floor, in the call centers, and often goes to the trainings at corporate in Bellevue, WA. But she would be the first person to tell you that the majority of the crap that reps say is either completely unsubstantiated rumors, or completely made up out of thin air. T-mobile knows that their entry level employees in the call centers and retail shops, are too stupid to be trusted with anything other than the basic info needed to do their job. Even in management, she is only very rarely privileged to information that isn't already floating around online. Most of their employees don't understand their tech, products, and services anymore than what they can read off of the very basic scripts and trainings they give them. The people working for T-mo that are truly passionate about things, and actually know details like this, are not the people you get to talk to, and usually aren't the types to go blabbing what they know.
Unless what the rep is telling you has been leaked or confirmed by other sources, 90% of the time it's complete BS, or they just read it online like the rest of us.
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while i agree to an extent, reps don't know anything about their jobs or the phones. most reps get their info from tmonews or XDA just like we do. i have gone into my t-mo store on many occasions and asked questions and watched as the rep pulled up tmo news on the comp or xda app on their phone. reps are useless for info

etjrowe said:
T-mobile knows that their entry level employees in the call centers and retail shops, are too stupid to be trusted with anything other than the basic info needed to do their job.
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As a T-Mobile tech service rep, I take great exception to this. Not all of us "too stupid" to know what's going on.
Having said that, it pisses me off to no end when other reps give out inaccurate info. I pride myself in knowing my stuff and doing it right. I never present any rumor as fact, nor do I make stuff up to placate customers.
So you can take your assumptions about me and shove them someplace unpleasant. Good day to you, sir.
p.s. But you are right that this whole "grandfathered in for free tethering" sounds like complete BS to me. Damn these reps making us look bad

I don't care about the data cap to be honest, I don't spend that much time outside of an actual wi-fi area. But I still have yet to see a legitimate, no BS answer as to whether or not T-Mobile will know that a person is tethering. Will the App itself report to T-Mobile, because to me, that seems to be the only way that "tethered data" and "smartphone data" can be differentiated by T-Mobile.

Can Sprint tell if we're tethering over wifi?

My understanding is that with PDANet, tethering looks like normal data use. Does Wireless Tether or the hacked Sprint Hotspot app (warm 2.2) also show up as normal data use or can Sprint tell you're tethering over wifi?
I ask because apparently AT&T has been sending letters to customers who use MyWi forcing them to either sign up for a tethering plan or stop tethering... Can (would?) Sprint do something similar?
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Sprint can't tell unless they use Deep Packet Inspection and see something like "Oh hey, what's all this encrypted traffic coming from Netflix's server?".
As for AT&T, they're just yelling at anyone with high amounts of data usage. Simple as that.

I dont think think they can. Just the other day, I went to the Sprint store and the guy noticed that my Evo "looked" different! He said "man how you do that!" I showed him the Rom and told him about rooting, tether and all. He said " "damm. show me how to do that on mines"....i told about Unrevoked and XDA. NOW Im sure he could be reading this thread!

i'm not sure if they can, but i think they stated publicly that they dont care. their paid one just works better, and on 3g and 4g, while consuming less battery than the rest. this is their response, and i think it works well. self-advertising while not angering devs. pretty good of them.

so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?

Evo13 said:
so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?
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if you switch roms, most have a hacked hospot to work on 3g. wifi tether app also works on 4g.

Evo13 said:
so once rooted, do i have to download wireless tether or can i use the hot spot app without being charged?
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you can do both no charge.

Sprint mainly checks for users exceeding the 5Gb per month for data. Other than that, it is difficult to tell without users feeling that their privacy is being invaded. 5Gb comes up quickly if you are streaming movies or downloading outside the normal browsing or youtube.

engelsione said:
I dont think think they can. Just the other day, I went to the Sprint store and the guy noticed that my Evo "looked" different! He said "man how you do that!" I showed him the Rom and told him about rooting, tether and all. He said " "damm. show me how to do that on mines"....i told about Unrevoked and XDA. NOW Im sure he could be reading this thread!
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Yeah, but it wouldn't be a store employee checking anyway. Either way, seems like they don't care.

My evo was rooted with revoked, but still using the standard rom. I was able to use wireless tether without converting to any other rom. Be sure to use the security features (passphrase and access control) to prevent inadvertent use by others.

TheEdge88 said:
Sprint mainly checks for users exceeding the 5Gb per month for data. Other than that, it is difficult to tell without users feeling that their privacy is being invaded. 5Gb comes up quickly if you are streaming movies or downloading outside the normal browsing or youtube.
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Sprint doesn't have a 5gb limit on smartphone plans, that is only on data cards on the 3g network. I just watched a commercial yesterday with Dan Hess stating that Sprints unlimited plans have no limits, unlike Verizon and AT&T.

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Sprint doesn't have a 5gb limit on smartphone plans, that is only on data cards on the 3g network. I just watched a commercial yesterday with Dan Hess stating that Sprints unlimited plans have no limits, unlike Verizon and AT&T.
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they dont have a throttle, they just look into it if you pull that much. like somebody said earlier, if you're pulling 8 gigs from netflix's server, there is only one explanation.

Anybody know of any specific examples of customers getting called out for excessive data use or wifi tethering? I assume there would've been an outrage on XDA and I would've heard about it... I don't think it's happened yet.
I get it that Sprint says they're truly unlimited but I have a nagging suspicion that they're eventually going to crack down on unauthorized tethering. Not that that's going to stop me in the mean time!
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I'd have to dig through the contract and T&C but technically speaking wouldn't tethering without a plan be a contract violation? I'm not claiming to be Mr. Innocent here. I've done the free tethering and have had tethering plans. Just seems to me that since we all signed contracts legally speaking the carriers have more of a leg to stand on than we do.
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I think with the sale of tmobile to at&t, Sprint will increase their user base with people bailing either one. Maybe, hopefully not, they'll begin to check our usage.
Then again, they'll be moving to LTE. Which means those of us with wimax devices, yours truly, will be left to use our data to our desires. At least I hope so.
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I use over 20 gigs a month downloading files(ROMs, files for work, etc) and streaming videos to my phone and have for almost two years. Not once have I been throttled or warned.
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So it sounds like the takeaway is that if Sprint wanted to, they could tell that you're tethering, but there is no evidence that they've ever done it or taken any action against customers... Cool.
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Sprint is a member of the open handset alliance. They don't care.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html

I use Slingplayer daily for hours sometimes, then I'll tether my iPad 2 and watch movies from my computer while traveling around via AirVideo. I am currently at 10GB of usage this month which is average, they never throttled me or anything.

I've hit over 12GB of usage regularly with no complaints from Sprint. YMMV.

Sprint... the almost not now network

I've been with Sprint for a while now. Lately i've had a lot of complaints that people can't get to me. My girlfriend never gets notified when she gets a voicemail.
It takes us 3-4 times to dial any number.I've been missing important call for the last 2 months. One of them including my grandfather passing away.
It's really bad at my work. No signal at all and always roaming. I cannot continue to use this service.
I've called customer support and they told me that they are aware that a lot of people have had missed calls since March when they started rolling out the network vision upgrade. So for the last months I can get at least 4 people that have the same problem. Nothing is getting resolved and it seems nobody cares.
I took my phone in to get it check out by a tech and there is nothing wrong with it. Since I know of at least 4 other persons experiencing this, I'm sure now that this is not an issue with me.
What I am asking is why do I need to keep paying for a service that I cannot rely on? I have missed important calls, one of them regarding a family member passing away. I can barely make any calls. The data is really slow, pathetic. I cannot count on the Sprint network to do any of the basic functions that I am paying for.
I have tried to call Sprint to get any type of conpenssation or to get them to let me move but they keep telling me that it will all be better.
Anyone got any suggestions. I cannot stay with a company that is responsible for missing the last call i might have gotten from my granfather.

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I've been with Sprint for a while now. Lately i've had a lot of complaints that people can't get to me. My girlfriend never gets notified when she gets a voicemail.
It takes us 3-4 times to dial any number.I've been missing important call for the last 2 months. One of them including my grandfather passing away.
It's really bad at my work. No signal at all and always roaming. I cannot continue to use this service.
I've called customer support and they told me that they are aware that a lot of people have had missed calls since March when they started rolling out the network vision upgrade. So for the last months I can get at least 4 people that have the same problem. Nothing is getting resolved and it seems nobody cares.
I took my phone in to get it check out by a tech and there is nothing wrong with it. Since I know of at least 4 other persons experiencing this, I'm sure now that this is not an issue with me.
What I am asking is why do I need to keep paying for a service that I cannot rely on? I have missed important calls, one of them regarding a family member passing away. I can barely make any calls. The data is really slow, pathetic. I cannot count on the Sprint network to do any of the basic functions that I am paying for.
I have tried to call Sprint to get any type of conpenssation or to get them to let me move but they keep telling me that it will all be better.
Anyone got any suggestions. I cannot stay with a company that is responsible for missing the last call i might have gotten from my granfather.
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Sell your phones use it to pay eta and go to what ever service provider you want.
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Sell your phones use it to pay eta and go to what ever service provider you want.
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OK. you obviously didnt read everything... and thats ok. thank you for your opinion but that's not going to happen.
Selling my phones to pay an EFT because of spotty service is not justifiable.

If it has been driving you crazy which it seems to have since you miss important calls. Go with Verizon which will probably solve all your problems.
And you said it yourself that you cannot stay with a company that gives you problems so go to another company that will satisfy you
How does that not solve your problem.
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You not being happy in no way entitles you to get out of a contract fee free. Network vision is supposed to dramatically increase usability and from what I've read from people it has. For every four people you know that's having service issues I can guarantee there's a hundred who don't. You're on a website with information on different things to try to fix any possible problem. If you truly don't like the service suck it up and pay the etf
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I think the OP is asking what the suggested method is for convincing Sprint that he should not have to pay any fees to terminate service because essentially Sprint is not upholding their side of the contract. In other words, what is the procedure for claiming breach of contract on Sprint? And yes, breach of contract is a legal means to get out of a contract without being obligated to pay any fees and sometimes is enough to get rewarded compensation for those months that you were paying for and not receiving service.
I'm in mostly the same boat as the OP but fortunately the only thing I ever use is text messaging and data through wifi so it doesn't bother me that I can't make or receive calls at work or home much less get any kind of data at either location besides wifi. For the most basic of plans, Sprint charges me less than Verizon would which is why I moved to them but it is a bit disappointing to have a phone where 1/2 of the features (arguably the more important 1/2) don't work.

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I think the OP is asking what the suggested method is for convincing Sprint that he should not have to pay any fees to terminate service because essentially Sprint is not upholding their side of the contract. In other words, what is the procedure for claiming breach of contract on Sprint?
I'm in mostly the same boat as the OP but fortunately the only thing I ever use is text messaging and data through wifi so it doesn't bother me that I can't make or receive calls at work or home much less get any kind of data at either location besides wifi. For the most basic of plans, Sprint charges me less than Verizon would which is why I moved to them but it is a bit disappointing to have a phone where 1/2 of the features (arguably the more important 1/2) don't work.
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Force roam all the time like crazy. I have seen couple people who were asked to leave sprint due to that with no etf. Under no circumstances I would do that but that's what others have done before.

When Network Vision took place around my area, things got really bad until everything was set up and running. Well worth the wait
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When Network Vision took place around my area, things got really bad until everything was set up and running. Well worth the wait
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Yup
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/13/sprint-flipping-the-lte-switch-in-boston-and-chicago/

If they are aware of a problem in your area with service and have no eta u can cancel with no etf. When sprint Renegotiated its deals with Verizon and the coverage shrank in certain areas I know for a fact they let 100's if not thousands of people cancel freely so I see this as no different
Edit: if u get no where with regular csr pm me for the number for executive services they will let u cancel for sure with no etf
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Thank you all for the answers.
In my book i cannot stay with Sprint out of principle. Because of them my phone never ringed when my grandfather called me on the night before he died.
My eft after talking to a representative is only 100$.

It should be zero if your phone doesn't work.

Sprint cost me $300 dollars a few weeks ago. Good like trying to get anything out of them.

Sorry for your loss, yes sprint sucks, i hope to leave it soon.

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Service issue
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You might want to voice up on sprint forums rather than on XDA, there are few sprint employees here.

Or put your phone up on MP if its a epic touch for example post it cheap around $150-175 for a quick sell and use that money if they do end up charging you $100.
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There was a cell site that covered my gf's old workplace and the bowling alley across the street we bowled at that was a data black hole for years. I don't know if it's improved but we don't go there anymore. There are just some buildings that are horrible for rf penetration. The moment you step outside, you get service and signal. There's always the possibility that there's some electronics or machines in the building that are creating interference in the frequency band these phones operate in.

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When Network Vision took place around my area, things got really bad until everything was set up and running. Well worth the wait
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Same here

heres a great idea....instead of complaining why dont you be proactive and cancel ur service and go to another carrier. Other than that xda is not a site to whine and complain about sprint or your service which most of us do not experience since we do not live where you do.
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Getting caught tethering?

Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?

whytechapel_x said:
Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
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They can most likely cancel your contract because you violated their TOS. That, or automatically upgrade you to a tethering plan..

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They can most likely cancel your contract because you violated their TOS. That, or automatically upgrade you to a tethering plan..
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Why is it that there's other people that download 80gb's or more a month?

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Why is it that there's other people that download 80gb's or more a month?
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Because they know how to use Google. There are millions of threads explaining in detail how to tether on T-Mobile network.
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All they will do is throttle/disable the tether till beginning of next billing cycle. They won't terminate your contract. The new plans they have come with 500 MB's for free.
It does not I repeat does not violate any terms of service. All they do is send you a message saying if you like to continue tethering please upgrade to a higher package or something to that effect. But no way with a just cancel your contract because that means they lose money. So don't worry about getting terminated from a contract because nobody major corporation whatever do that unless you like stole from them.
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whytechapel_x said:
Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
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It's exactly this reason that we have to hide our tethering. Don't be cheap. Buy internet for your home. It actually makes more sense. If you are gaming our latency and game side to server path will be a lot more consistent and reliable. Tethering is not meant to replace your home network. It is meant to be used while out and about. Also it is very selfish to tax the network and cripple your fellow Tmobile users to by hooking up devices that are meant to be enjoyed on a home network. IMHO:cyclops:

I agree 100%,
I love my tmobile service and have been with them since it was called voicestream.
The more people that tether PS3's the worse it is for the network, that just makes the end user experience slower service and chock it up as tmobile LTE/4G being crap.
Tmobile have done a great job recently with all these rollouts and the restructuring of its plans, if we are to move up to #3 out of the top 4 carriers we need to let everone enjoy the network, for the first time in a long time tmobile sets to show a positive number of signups this quater.
If you want to keep enjoying lower rates, please get yourself a $19.99 DSL plan. Last thing we need is for tmobile to be bought out by sprint or someone else. Then we all lose.
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LAkingsfan3131 said:
It's exactly this reason that we have to hide our tethering. Don't be cheap. Buy internet for your home. It actually makes more sense. If you are gaming our latency and game side to server path will be a lot more consistent and reliable. Tethering is not meant to replace your home network. It is meant to be used while out and about. Also it is very selfish to tax the network and cripple your fellow Tmobile users to by hooking up devices that are meant to be enjoyed on a home network. IMHO:cyclops:
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Lmao now your calling me cheap? When in hell did I ever mention I don't have internet at home? If your not gonna answer the question how about you leave. Same goes to the poster above

There is no reason to tether your ps3 to your phone if you have internet at home.
Its abusing the system, people who are downloading 80gb as you say are the ones who make all of us suffer and its the reason tmobile stops tethering.
To answer your question they can and will cancel your service if the see fit, its written in their TOS here is a link below.
http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions&print=true
Here is a snippet if you dont want to look through the whole thing.
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Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. In addition, if your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile's T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers' service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan.
Hope this helps, I also tether, I dont see anything wrong with it, it is wrong when you do it on a daily basis to avoid paying for internet and specially if your tethering 80gb worth.
Also most of the new roms ie wicked v4 have native tethering. There also trevE mod that helps bypass the provision.
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