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T-Mobile Galaxy Note II Passes Through The FCC, Is Future Proofed With LTE
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/09/t-mo...s-through-the-fcc-is-future-proofed-with-lte/
850/1900 GSM/GPRS/EDGE, 850/1700/1900 WCDMA/HSPA, Band 4 (5, 10, 15, 20 MHz), 17 LTE (5, 10 MHz).
Yup, that’s both 700 MHz for LTE roaming and 1700 MHz (T-Mobile’s AWS band) for LTE, which means only one thing — the Galaxy Note II is future proofed for T-Mobile’s LTE network, coming in 2013.
The rest of the report is under confidentiality so there isn’t a whole lot else we can discover from the FCC filings, but at this point the presence of LTE was the only unknown we had hoped to find. The rest of the Note II is pretty standard globally so we don’t expect any more surprises. To be honest, with the discovery of LTE on board, we can’t think of any better surprises.
While it’s true my excitement of LTE and future-proofing may be preliminary, the Galaxy Note II is likely to be a device many of you consider to be the best of both the tablet and smartphone world. The knowledge that the device will be ready and waiting for T-Mobile’s LTE network to go live in 2013 and won’t require a new piece of hardware is just a little bit of comfort in a world where hardware turns over far faster than our upgrade dates.
Cool...but. I'll be using my Note 3 by the time you see LTE on your Note 2
No need to wait for LTE, HSPA+ for now is just as fast if not faster in places. As far as getting LTE it adds/keeps value when time comes to resale the device.
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acrown said:
No need to wait for LTE, HSPA+ for now is just as fast if not faster in places. As far as getting LTE it adds/keeps value when time comes to resale the device.
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Haha... that's where the LTE rumors started... I'd totally forgot about the FCC filings... of course sometimes they're not always true, but this looks right
shook187 said:
Cool...but. I'll be using my Note 3 by the time you see LTE on your Note 2
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Even if it's true that T-Mobile is slow in adopting LTE, I'm still happy with their service because they are the only carrier that provide WiFi Calling. This is very important for me since no carrier has any signal inside my apartment unit, and also while travelling overseas. If not for the WiFi Calling feature built into T-Mo's phones firmware, I would have already bought the international version with or without LTE. I've been very happy with my Galaxy S3 on T-Mo without LTE, but I want the bigger screen and S-Pen. Eagerly waiting for the US launch. Only a few more days! I'm sure I'll have a Note 3 as well! Lol, I just got my S3 and I'm already looking at Note 2.
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Even if it's true that T-Mobile is slow in adopting LTE, I'm still happy with their service because they are the only carrier that provide WiFi Calling. This is very important for me since no carrier has any signal inside my apartment unit, and also while travelling overseas. If not for the WiFi Calling feature built into T-Mo's phones firmware, I would have already bought the international version with or without LTE. I've been very happy with my Galaxy S3 on T-Mo without LTE, but I want the bigger screen and S-Pen. Eagerly waiting for the US launch. Only a few more days! I'm sure I'll have a Note 3 as well! Lol, I just got my S3 and I'm already looking at Note 2.
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Agreed! Wifi Calling is ingenious! That's also the reason why I won't get any other non-T-Mobile branded phone.
achusaysblessyou said:
Agreed! Wifi Calling is ingenious! That's also the reason why I won't get any other non-T-Mobile branded phone.
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I do wifi calling without even needing a carrier.
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For wifi calling use Talkatone and your Gvoice account if you have limited minutes on t-mobile. It's unlimited incoming and outgoing over wifi or 3g. And you have the benefit of having a second number to give out.
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akkidy said:
Even if it's true that T-Mobile is slow in adopting LTE, I'm still happy with their service because they are the only carrier that provide WiFi Calling. This is very important for me since no carrier has any signal inside my apartment unit, and also while travelling overseas. If not for the WiFi Calling feature built into T-Mo's phones firmware, I would have already bought the international version with or without LTE. I've been very happy with my Galaxy S3 on T-Mo without LTE, but I want the bigger screen and S-Pen. Eagerly waiting for the US launch. Only a few more days! I'm sure I'll have a Note 3 as well! Lol, I just got my S3 and I'm already looking at Note 2.
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Hey, does wifi calling works with sms/mms? I'm getting two different stories from tmobile sale rep. One says it only works for voice and other says it covers voice/sms/mms :/ which is it?
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Hey, does wifi calling works with sms/mms? I'm getting two different stories from tmobile sale rep. One says it only works for voice and other says it covers voice/sms/mms :/ which is it?
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does voice and sms/mms...both work over wifi....
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Hey, does wifi calling works with sms/mms? I'm getting two different stories from tmobile sale rep. One says it only works for voice and other says it covers voice/sms/mms :/ which is it?
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Covers them all.
LTE capability confirmed by T-Mobile. http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/t-mo...idden-lte-support-same-hardware-as-att-model/
Very grateful to you all of the news, once again, are looking forward to your update ah
Should the tmo gn2 show H instead of 4g on the top? I'm ALWAYS in 4g. I just assumed I'd seen an H pop up from time to time and I'm in Chicago.
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Should the tmo gn2 show H instead of 4g on the top? I'm ALWAYS in 4g. I just assumed I'd seen an H pop up from time to time and I'm in Chicago.
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The h is basically their 3.5 g before they upgraded it to their higher hspa+ network
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Has anyone tried slipping an At&t LTE micro sim (dirty i know), into the Tmo Note2?
I know we're all supposedly waiting for an update to the radio firmware but can't hurt to ask.
None of my friends have an LTE microsim phone.
I have an s3 but I may be getting this phone but I'm on T-Mobile network..I know with the gti9100 I had 4g wasn't possible.. but is it the same deal with this phone or did they make the phone compatible with every network? Thanks in advance.
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pezlomd said:
I have an s3 but I may be getting this phone but I'm on T-Mobile network..I know with the gti9100 I had 4g wasn't possible.. but is it the same deal with this phone or did they make the phone compatible with every network? Thanks in advance.
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I made the mistake of buying this phone assuming the same thing... Right now the international Note 2 will only get EDGE in the vast majority of places, because T-Mobile runs most of its 3G on the 1700 frequency which the N7100 doesn't support. T-Mobile is in the process of changing to 1900 (mostly for iPhone users), but who knows how long that'll take. I'm mostly fine with EDGE since I'm on WIFI a lot, but I definitely wish I had known before buying.
Riio said:
I made the mistake of buying this phone assuming the same thing... Right now the international Note 2 will only get EDGE in the vast majority of places, because T-Mobile runs most of its 3G on the 1700 frequency which the N7100 doesn't support. T-Mobile is in the process of changing to 1900 (mostly for iPhone users), but who knows how long that'll take. I'm mostly fine with EDGE since I'm on WIFI a lot, but I definitely wish I had known before buying.
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Thanks. I had the exact same question and you answered it perfectly. I was going to buy the GT-N7100 to use on T-Mobile, but if it only gets edge, I won't. Maybe it would work on another carrier, though, like AT&T straight-talk?
Just FYI, I do get HSPA+ while driving to work here in Northern VA although some sites suggest T-Mobile is work to upgrade their 850 to 1900. I do get pretty good speed (5Mbps down/2Mbps up). Check this site if you want to confirm your area but for sure it will work currently only on EDGE: http://www.airportal.de/
I just ordered a Straight Talk SIM card because I know lots of people have constant 3G/4G connection on it since it runs on AT&T. The only draw back with AT&T/Straight Talk is the prohibit unlimited international SMS which I use A LOT.
"E"??
Hi, I just got my N7100 yesterday and upon booting it up with a T-Mobile sim all I get is the "E" for edge network. Like you guys mentioned I guess this is normal for right now correct? Also do any of you get the "R" icon next to your signal strength bar? I opens up the "Roaming" page buddy and thinks I'm roaming. How do you get rid of this "R" icon or can you? Please help newbie here.
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John
glad i live in an area where we have the 1900mhz band. its faster than my ATT speed. with my gf tmobile sim i was getting 7mbps and with my att its like 3mbp
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Note2.. yep
i dont get it.. if your going to spend $600+ why not just get the T-Mo version?
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i dont get it.. if your going to spend $600+ why not just get the T-Mo version?
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people are impatient. .
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Note2.. yep
Carrier branded versions of phones are often sim-locked and significantly slower to receive software updates. They're also more expensive in the long-run once you factor in the cost of a contract, even with the discounts. And carrier bloatware is usually a negative, too.
Is the T-Mobile Note II free of any of these disadvantages?
2 thumbs up!
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Carrier branded versions of phones are often sim-locked and significantly slower to receive software updates. They're also more expensive in the long-run once you factor in the cost of a contract, even with the discounts. And carrier bloatware is usually a negative, too.
Is the T-Mobile Note II free of any of these disadvantages?
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:good::good: Couldn't have explained my reason better! Thanks!
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Carrier branded versions of phones are often sim-locked and significantly slower to receive software updates. They're also more expensive in the long-run once you factor in the cost of a contract, even with the discounts. And carrier bloatware is usually a negative, too.
Is the T-Mobile Note II free of any of these disadvantages?
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1.) SIM Unlocking is dirt cheap (even free sometimes).
2.) ROM upgrade availability is just as quick if not quicker if you use custom ROMS (and if you're on this site you likely know how to flash them).
3.) Carrier branded devices can be bought off contract.
4.) Carrier bloatware can be frozen and/or removed quite easily.
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I've read YES, I've read NO...?
Is there anyway to enable and use LTE on the T999 on T-Mobile?
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Try going to Canada that's the only place that uses the same LTE frequency that T-Mobile will be using. Might work like the Nexus 4
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The T-Mobile network does not have LTE rolled out yet, but the hardware does support LTE.
I'm sure the way to enable LTE will include flashing a new radio, though I'm not aware of any that will enable LTE without bricking the phone or killing data communication on the SGH-T999 specifically.
Edit: So far it would seem that the LTE supposedly in this phone doesn't run on the same frequency spectrum that T-Mobile plans to use for LTE.
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The T-Mobile network does not have LTE rolled out yet, but the hardware does support LTE.
I'm sure the way to enable LTE will include flashing a new radio, though I'm not aware of any that will enable LTE without bricking the phone or killing data communication on the SGH-T999 specifically.
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Says who? I really think people should just drop this subject. And every thread started needs to be closed. There are plenty of threads about this
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The T-Mobile network does not have LTE rolled out yet, but the hardware does support LTE.
I'm sure the way to enable LTE will include flashing a new radio, though I'm not aware of any that will enable LTE without bricking the phone or killing data communication on the SGH-T999 specifically.
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Can you support this info?
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Samsung says the tmobile s3 is capable of the lte... tmobile says its not... ill trust the people who actually made the phone
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Can you support this info?
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@woostar88
I've spent probably two hours in the last few days purely searching and reading whatever specs I can grab, including for FCC ID A3LSGHT999. Every time I'm sure, something knocks me back down to unsure status. It's especially confusing when Samsung, the maker of the phone and the Snapdragon platform it runs on, says it does support LTE - then T-Mobile comes in and says nope (and that it's based on the Snapdragon MSM8260 instead? wtf?).
While they are contradicting their hardware vendor, they have support reps saying both yes and no. No wonder nobody knows anything,
but I'm determined now.
Unfortunately for me I'm not as privy as I should be to the massive amount of terminology and mobile spectrum standards that have been bestowed upon us, but a little more research should bring me up to speed.
My answer until I have a better one is that yes it very much is an MSM8960, and yes, it does support LTE.
No, the LTE this hardware supposedly supports is not using the same frequency spectrum that T-Mobile in the US eventually will (like snoopy1e11 said in this thread).
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Samsung says the tmobile s3 is capable of the lte... tmobile says its not... ill trust the people who actually made the phone
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Of course T-Mobile says it doesn't support LTE. They'll do what they did with the Vibrant. Sell a boat load of them and then release a slightly updated version with full LTE radio. I trust Samsung before TMO anyday.
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newageoutlaw said:
Of course T-Mobile says it doesn't support LTE. They'll do what they did with the Vibrant. Sell a boat load of them and then release a slightly updated version with full LTE radio. I trust Samsung before TMO anyday.
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For all of you saying it's going to support lte, and that our chip is the same as att, answer me this:
Why can we not unlock our device, place a att SIM card into it, register it on att network, and access lte on att network? If all our devices have that same chip that supports lte as you all are claiming, why can't we do this?
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For all of you saying it's going to support lte, and that our chip is the same as att, answer me this:
Why can we not unlock our device, place a att SIM card into it, register it on att network, and access lte on att network? If all our devices have that same chip that supports lte as you all are claiming, why can't we do this?
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Your first three points have no influence from the chip design; The (in)ability to unlock a device is controlled by software, the (in)ability to use a SIM card from another provider (which is generally the exact same hardware) is controlled by software, and the (in)ability to register it to another provider's network is controlled by software, as long as the hardware radio chipset can speak the network's frequency and mobile protocol.
I don't know off-hand why it won't connect to AT&T's LTE. I'm also not an electronics expert but I can imagine that these chipsets can be controlled with firmware to restrict the frequencies the radio may generate or receive, effectively locking it to a provided number of frequencies assigned to the mobile operator.
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Says who? I really think people should just drop this subject. And every thread started needs to be closed. There are plenty of threads about this
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100% agreed.
The best arguments for and against have already been made. All i see this doing is mirroring all other threads on the same topic. Tempers may flare, infractions might be made, all because no one wants to be wrong and cant wait a year or two when the subject actually becomes relavent.
Search and read. Hint: general section.
It can be disabled on both the hw and sw side. In the end it doesn't matter because the T999 was never certified/cleared by the FCC for LTE. So they'd either have to go back through the process or be fined for breaking the law.
I'm convinced it won't happen, but to each his own opinion.
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The only reason that the tmobile t999 has any LTE files in it is because all the carriers have the same base rom then stack their crap on top of it! I know how to read code and if you break down most of the apps in the phone they will have provisions for all carriers, not just tmobile. Tmobile doesnt even have LTE towers yet so the answer is still no
evil1art said:
The only reason that the tmobile t999 has any LTE files in it is because all the carriers have the same base rom then stack their crap on top of it! I know how to read code and if you break down most of the apps in the phone they will have provisions for all carriers, not just tmobile. Tmobile doesnt even have LTE towers yet so the answer is still no
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In a few select places, T-Mo has LTE. In fact, they'll be sharing towers with Verizon.
But, the true answer to whether or not the T999 can get LTE or not is, gram crackers and apple juice. Yep.
Don_Perrignon said:
In a few select places, T-Mo has LTE. In fact, they'll be sharing towers with Verizon.
But, the true answer to whether or not the T999 can get LTE or not is, gram crackers and apple juice. Yep.
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You're way off... Verizon and T-Mobile are two completely different technologies when it comes to their towers.. unless there is no difference in GSM lte versus cdma lte,
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You're way off... Verizon and T-Mobile are two completely different technologies when it comes to their towers.. unless there is no difference in GSM lte versus cdma lte,
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Yes, I know, as everyone else, that one is GSM and another is CDMA.
But, fact is that T-Mobile are Verizon are swapping frequencies with one another. What I'm confused about is if this means they're literally using the same towers or if each carrier has so many licenses of certain frequencies and now they're giving up some of those licenses.
I'm confused.
But, what I do know is that:
1. The two are swapping frequencies with one another.
2.Verizon does use GSM LTE.
3. Gram crackers and apple juice determine whether or not the T999 can get LTE.
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Yes, I know, as everyone else, that one is GSM and another is CDMA.
But, fact is that T-Mobile are Verizon are swapping frequencies with one another. What I'm confused about is if this means they're literally using the same towers or if each carrier has so many licenses of certain frequencies and now they're giving up some of those licenses.
I'm confused.
But, what I do know is that:
1. The two are swapping frequencies with one another.
2.Verizon does use GSM LTE.
3. Gram crackers and apple juice determine whether or not the T999 can get LTE.
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Its simply a spectrum swap. They're not using each others towers. At least not for anything other than roaming services. Tmobile and Verizon will both be able to use this to provide better and more widely available service and coverage to more people. But they will be using tbe newly aquired spectrum on their own towers and equipment. Not each others.
Its one if the conditions Verizon agreed to for FCC approval. Tmobile swaps a small bit of their licensed spectum along with "cash and other concessions" in exchange.
Good for Verizon, good for Tmobile, good for consumers is the reason the FCC made it a condition. Thats how I understand it anyway.
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Its simply a spectrum swap. They're not using each others towers. At least not for anything other than roaming services. Tmobile and Verizon will both be able to use this to provide better and more widely available service and coverage to more people. But they will be using tbe newly aquired spectrum on their own towers and equipment. Not each others.
Its one if the conditions Verizon agreed to for FCC approval. Tmobile swaps a small bit of their licensed spectum along with "cash and other concessions" in exchange.
Good for Verizon, good for Tmobile, good for consumers is the reason the FCC made it a condition. Thats how I understand it anyway.
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So, then it's a matter of each carrier having so many licenses to certain spectrums... Like I have 600,000 licenses of something and you have 700,000 of another and we give each other 300,000? Is that kind of what's going on here?
Sort of, but Im not sure it works entirely like that.
I do know that Tmobile received enough to support approximately 60 million new customers in 15 of the top 25 markets, while Verizon received enough to support 22 million, plus cash and such.
I don't really know how the licensing works, but I don't think it goes by the number of users or anything like that, but by frequency ranges. Id imagine theres more to it than just you give me x and I give you y though.
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Such hostility in here over a easy to answer question.
In short:
No there is not a way to enable it, as it has not been implemented by t mo just yet.
Yes it will require a radio update.
Yes the s3 (even the t mo version) is LTE capable.
Was that it or did I miss another question?
Hi there. So I have been using my phone in Simple Mobile and was wondering if making a jump to T Mobile would make difference in the data speeds as they are laying down the new towers and all.
So is anyone using their N7100s on T Mobile? If so please tell me how good are the data speeds and if you are from Chicago even better.
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Hi there. So I have been using my phone in Simple Mobile and was wondering if making a jump to T Mobile would make difference in the data speeds as they are laying down the new towers and all.
So is anyone using their N7100s on T Mobile? If so please tell me how good are the data speeds and if you are from Chicago even better.
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Hi
I activated a tmobile online only offer, 30$ for 100 min, unlimited text and first 5 gb at 4g speeds. The phone can't get 4g but it's still fast, when it's in a refarmed area. I'm living in DC and I say "as long" because even though DC should be all refarmed, as I go to work I often go to edge... I guess it's just based on the different towers and the phone switching from one another... Unluckily I work in an area without a refarmed tower...
I was so frustrated that I bought a nexus 4 to always have h+! Used it 2 weeks and went back to the Note today... I just like it better, even if with the h+/edge thing going on...
I am considering on getting straightalk, so that I can go on an att network. I believe the phone would work fine and att should have better coverage. I still have to look into it. I don't know if it would be h+ but having always 3g is better than having h+ sometimes...
With straight talk att you would get hspa+ (4). I'm curious about the t mobile service working though.
The N7100 will only get edge data on TMobile's network. Yes TMobile is moving their HSPA+ to 1900 Mhz but it is nowhere near complete and even cities that people claim are already converted have spotty coverage. Sell your N7100 and buy a TMobile Note2 or buy an ATT Note2 and do the AWS mod to it. For the transition, it's best to have a phone that covers both 1700 and 1900. Note2s are dropping in price. I just bought 2 like new TMobile Notes for $400 each.
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totally agree with you on that...
did you buy it new for that price? where?
I'm still hoping that little by little they will improve the coverage... but it seems pretty stuck now, 2 months and still the same coverage...
I'll just wait for the note 3 to come out...
I have a verizon Gnote 2 that i want to connect on Tmobile but obviously i have a couple question that concern me...
Ive researched as much as i could but still trying to get a clearer answer.
First: To connect verizon Gnote2 on tmobile you just have to put in the tmobile sim card and you get voice calls, sms, but no mms you had to unlock or root it first so you could change the apn's ..
but now with the newest update you dont have to do all that Verizon has made it fully unlocked.. so it easier to change the apns settings (which i still need to find what they are)
I see that the V Gnote 2 supports the 1900 and 2100mhz freq.. but not the 1700 and to be able to have complete LTE or HSPA 42+ connection the phone has to support both 1700 and 2100.. Tmobile is revamping the 1900 to become 4g connection but is not available in all areas so thats a hit or miss.. Heres a map showing an idea of were the 1900 mhz freq is supposively running
So my question on this in the areas where there isnt 1900 mhz band (Which 4g) then when on the other freq then i would be on 3g or 2g(edge) and if on Edge what are Tmobile edge speeds? 1mbps download atleast? or worse
Also Since i would have a GSM sim card in it and on GSM networks you could Talk and Surf the web at the same time then technically i should also be able to as well correct?
Ive read that i believe its on Jelly or Jedi rom it enabels HSPA+ is this true? also im good if i just get H support which is 3g
many more questions but post is getting too long and I know that just going out and getting a T mobile sim will help me get all my answers just dont want to go out and waste money for no reason....
all the threads i read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2279177
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2201461
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2266530
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2159510
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183119
and others on other forums as well.
TIA for all replys
EDIT: just spoked to a Tmobile C.S. rep and she asked me for the model # on the note2 and said she checked and also asked her supervisor and both stated that the phone would support full 4g
I had a S3 that was from ATT. Bands same at the Verizon Note 2. Although they are re farming, I always had edge and 3g it sucked..
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You_got_owned123 said:
I had a S3 that was from ATT. Bands same at the Verizon Note 2. Although they are re farming, I always had edge and 3g it sucked..
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What download speeds were you getting?
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What download speeds were you getting?
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I had a Verizon GN2 that I tried on T-Mo (before trading with someone for an actual t-mo N2) and it was mostly Edge. Edge speeds are total garbage on a phone such as this. It takes 5 minutes just to load facebook.I loved the plan ($30 mo on t-mo) and wanted to keep it so I traded.