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Could anyone provide series of photos taken by HTP2? I'd like to compare them with other devices.
More people would be welcome so we can compare even pro2 between themselfs. I've already met one pro2 with blurred and shaded camera. I just dont want to believe all those cameras are so bad.
It would be nice if you took photo in different conditions. Like outside, in the dark, of the text, of the colorful scene, inside the building with poor light conditions etc etc.
Thanks you all.

here is what i have taken
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thank you for your post. Colors are so dull. I tried to increase contrast and it looks bit nicer. Anyway I think pro2 would deserve better camera.
Could anyone else share his opinions about the camera?

I'm a bit disappointed about the camera, I've a Kaiser and the pictures are clearly better than these!...
I cannot belive it!

pepeto2001 said:
I'm a bit disappointed about the camera, I've a Kaiser and the pictures are clearly better than these!...
I cannot belive it!
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You can actually make the Kaiser camera ten times better by simply taking off the back cover when taking pictures or video. For some reason the plastic on the camera cover is dingy and blurs it a little.
Some people have actually removed that one plastic piece from the cover or just drilled a tiny hole, personally I couldn't do that.

bwnotredame06 said:
You can actually make the Kaiser camera ten times better by simply taking off the back cover when taking pictures or video. For some reason the plastic on the camera cover is dingy and blurs it a little.
Some people have actually removed that one plastic piece from the cover or just drilled a tiny hole, personally I couldn't do that.
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I know, I usually quit the cover... and the quality is MUCH better than the ones taken with pro2.... I hope another samples with other configurations will be better, I wont buy a new phone with worse camera than the one I have!!

pepeto2001 said:
I know, I usually quit the cover... and the quality is MUCH better than the ones taken with pro2.... I hope another samples with other configurations will be better, I wont buy a new phone with worse camera than the one I have!!
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Well maybe its just the same issue, the backing cover lens. Its supposed to be a 3.2 mega pix.

mistm said:
thank you for your post. Colors are so dull. I tried to increase contrast and it looks bit nicer. Anyway I think pro2 would deserve better camera.
Could anyone else share his opinions about the camera?
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just an FYI all, i didnt adjust anything. not even sure my pics are set to fine quality. I will check the settings and report back
EDIT: *** ok yup, had all the default settings with no adjustment to any of the lighting

I didnt change the settings in device. I changed contrast in Irfan view just to see if images may look better.
Lets admin that camera sux lot in HTP2. I just want to insure myself that the better result may be achieved by the software changes (like change of contrast for example).
On almost all photos i've seen there is some kind of gray curtain. Because I want to use camera in my next device I was thinking about it and i decided that its enough for me that photos looks good in the device when showing to friends. I dont need extra quality as compact camera could provide.

I was wondering what the video recording capability is on this phone. I'm told it's capable to record in 640*480 resolution these days. Is it any good (crisp / fluid) or choppy and.. well.. reasonably useless like the recordings my P4350 takes (taken into account that that phone records into the size of a poststamp)?
Bottom line: will I be using the feature to take my holland's funniest video and win 10 eurocents?

R_phAn - I can tell you in advance that this phone can't record fluid 640*480 video!
This is a result of a myriad of excuses:
- Drivers blah blah
- Hardware camera Interface to phone blah blah
- Processor blah blah
I've determined All this without even testing out the camera functionality myself... Imagine that!
And people get excited about this phone that uses even more dated processing hardware than the TP1?? (7200a)
LOL!

mallman said:
here is what i have taken
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OMG OMG, where'd you get the Voltron figure !!! I want one !!!

Here is one in very poor light. For better results try to lower the sharpness to +2.

R_phAn said:
I was wondering what the video recording capability is on this phone. I'm told it's capable to record in 640*480 resolution these days. Is it any good (crisp / fluid) or choppy and.. well.. reasonably useless like the recordings my P4350 takes (taken into account that that phone records into the size of a poststamp)?
Bottom line: will I be using the feature to take my holland's funniest video and win 10 eurocents?
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Here you can check out this sample video (from pocketnow's review)... Looks pretty good to me (and yes, it's in 640x480 )... It's not some fast moving test or something, but in general the video looks good...

orbitalen said:
Here you can check out this sample video (from pocketnow's review)... Looks pretty good to me (and yes, it's in 640x480 )... It's not some fast moving test or something, but in general the video looks good...
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Question - Why does the N95 with roughly 2.5 year old hardware record better video than this newly released TP2 phone?
And we as consumers just accept this without questioning this - LOL!

qazzi76 said:
Question - Why does the N95 with roughly 2.5 year old hardware record better video than this newly released TP2 phone?
And we as consumers just accept this without questioning this - LOL!
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I'm thinking same as you!.... how can a device 3 year old have a MUCH BETTER camera????
Is this a joke????????

pepeto2001 said:
I'm thinking same as you!.... how can a device 3 year old have a MUCH BETTER camera????
Is this a joke????????
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Tell me about it!
Admittedly this is the same across the board for all commercially available WM 6 series devices at the moment but it still stinks.
I am hoping this will change when Snapdragon processors are released as this is said to have at least 720p 30fps playback and record capabilities.

How is the screen, like when you Shake the Xperia X1 during taking a picture the screen won't lag.
A.t.m. on dutty's rom, he has done the same. when shaking the phone while in camera, the camera screen does not lag or get any delay.
Is this also the same on Touch Pro 2?
I'm considering getting a TP2 and sell my Touch HD.

bogypop said:
Here is one in very poor light. For better results try to lower the sharpness to +2.
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Did the phone put the time stamp on it ? is able to be turned off ?

If you want a qwerty slider phone that is this slim then you have to accept that you cannot get a video camera into it
Phone is always a compromise between size and features and functions. Think about the size (the thinness of the slider part) and then compare it to the phones you say have good camera. They're a lot thicker.
Someday the technology will go further but this is what we have now.

Taking photos with the Desire

Hi guys, I'm having a few issues taking photos with the Desire - I just can't seem to get used to using the trackpad button as the shutter button. I've got really big thumbs and I'm finding it difficult to keep the phone steady enough for the phone to refocus and take the shot after I hit the button.
Does anyone have any tips for taking decent shots? I'm so used to using the shutter button on my N900 (half-press to focus then full-press to shoot).
Cheers,
Steve.

Maybe this can help: enable "self-timer" in the camera settings and set it to 2 seconds.
That will give you a moment to steady after you hit the button.

Not a problem for me, but I think that smile detection option doesnt work!
Yes I enabled it!

smile detection? you mean face detection? it works for me and follows the face around and maintains focus. I did not see the smile detection option though. must check.

Seraphic said:
Hi guys, I'm having a few issues taking photos with the Desire - I just can't seem to get used to using the trackpad button as the shutter button. I've got really big thumbs and I'm finding it difficult to keep the phone steady enough for the phone to refocus and take the shot after I hit the button.
Does anyone have any tips for taking decent shots? I'm so used to using the shutter button on my N900 (half-press to focus then full-press to shoot).
Cheers,
Steve.
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You could try the way I occasionally take photos with the Desire is to cradle the Desire in the right hand with your middle & ring finger on the back of the cover and your index finger on top and little finger below, both arched round slightly so it looks like the phone slots into your hand and then use the screen to take photos with your left index finger by holding down on the screen for a couple of seconds, it'll focus then take the photo, that way you should get a steady shot as your right hand is steadying the phone.

Best way I have found is to use the focus point select, by placing a finger on the point you wish to focus and just keeping it there. It prevents you from really moving the phone while pressing a physical button. It will focus and then snap. Give it a shot. Excuse the pun.

mcgon1979 said:
smile detection? you mean face detection? it works for me and follows the face around and maintains focus. I did not see the smile detection option though. must check.
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Ahh yes face detection, I thought it has smile detection, anyway what's the purpose of this face detection?

benko286 said:
anyway what's the purpose of this face detection?
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The idea is that when you take a picture of a scene with a person on it (i.e. a person with, say, mountains in the background), you would mostly want the person in focus. The face detection basically finds people for you and automatically focuses on them by default, rather than whatever is in the center of the frame.
Its so you dont get this age-old problem of center focused shots...
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Eugene's Mac said:
Best way I have found is to use the focus point select, by placing a finger on the point you wish to focus and just keeping it there. It prevents you from really moving the phone while pressing a physical button. It will focus and then snap. Give it a shot. Excuse the pun.
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This, pure win. Thank you

Eugene's Mac said:
Best way I have found is to use the focus point select, by placing a finger on the point you wish to focus and just keeping it there. It prevents you from really moving the phone while pressing a physical button. It will focus and then snap. Give it a shot. Excuse the pun.
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I didn't realise you could do this - it works really well, thank you

Are you kidding me... This is AWESOME!!! I was annoyed that sometmies no matter how careful I was some photos would blur due to camera shake. There is obviously no image stabilization in the software etc. This is not such a problem on bright days with a very fast shutter speed, but indoors or dull weather will often blur very slightly on a touchpad button press, no matter how delicate you are.
I also found you do not need to press and hold the screen! you just need to press for slightly longer than a tap and then let go and hold your camera steady with both hands. perfect images. a tap to focus, a short press to take a shot. you will figure out how long I mean by experimenting, but its literally just a bit longer than a tap and it will focus and take a shot itself, you can just hold it with two hands.
I was so impressed I uploaded two images. First one is a button press while being very delicate and trying to get ZERO blur.
Second is the same image with a 0.5 second press and then holding the camera with both hands. Spot the difference!!!
Button - http://i.imgur.com/JFEWX.jpg
Screen - http://i.imgur.com/hhqNS.jpg
I've noticed that this method takes slightly darker shots, but they are much sharper and have more clarity. I'm ok with that. A sharp dark shot can be brightened, but a blurred bright shot is harder to deal with.
Great tip by Eugene. thanks! Has improved my opinion of the camera in one post!

Dont know if anyone else has noticed but having a plastic lens on the battery cover makes the picture lose sharpness and maybe even blurry.
Try it your self take a picture with and without the battery cover on, And yes the lens was perfectly clean inside and out when i done the test
I was thinking about drilling the lens out on the battery cover. I know theres the chance of then geting dust in there but my Touch HD never had a lens
I still think the Touch HD was beter at taking pictures in full sun light though
Also Id like to say hello been a browser on this fourm for some time now..

Hey Ian, welcome...
I know what you mean. I think in theory the lens protecting back cover should not affect the image at all. It's too close to the lens to have any affect on focus (blurred or sharp) so once its clear it won't affect the light getting to the sensor. even a small finger mark or dust on this cover should have negligible effect on the sharpness or blurriness of a photo.
Have you tried the above screen press technique to take clear sharp shots with the back on. They should be just as sharp as without it on. I have not tried though to be honest so I'll take your word for it. I don't think I'd drill the lens cover out unless there was a massive improvement.

When i done the test i did use the optical track button, so i will try again with the screen press method.
I only done this test because i removed the battery cover to clean both side of the lens and once clean i held it up to the light and though it looked hazy or not as clear as i thought it should be.
I agree with what your saying although if the plastic isnt of high quality wouldnt it have some impack on picture quality? That was my reasoning behind possibly drilling it out

Eugene's Mac said:
Best way I have found is to use the focus point select, by placing a finger on the point you wish to focus and just keeping it there. It prevents you from really moving the phone while pressing a physical button. It will focus and then snap. Give it a shot. Excuse the pun.
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So much appreciated! THX

very dissappointed with the camera...any suggestions?

hey guys.
i come from a photography background. classical training (dark room, color and bw), plus many years with very expensive canon dslr equipment. point being i have a penchant for photography and a good idea for image quality.
i wasn't expecting the quality of my G11 from this phone but i was definitely expecting better than what i am getting. pictures at night or in restaurants come out horribly overblown. most places pictures come out blurry and/or very soft focused.
i've seen posts blaming it on the camera software (sense). can the software really be crippling the hardware that much? is there an alternative camera software or a fix to the existing software?
has anyone successfully ported the CM6 camera over to sense?
how are you all getting alone with your "8MP" camera?

Max_Pain said:
hey guys.
i come from a photography background. classical training (dark room, color and bw), plus many years with very expensive canon dslr equipment. point being i have a penchant for photography and a good idea for image quality.
i wasn't expecting the quality of my G11 from this phone but i was definitely expecting better than what i am getting. pictures at night or in restaurants come out horribly overblown. most places pictures come out blurry and/or very soft focused.
i've seen posts blaming it on the camera software (sense). can the software really be crippling the hardware that much? is there an alternative camera software or a fix to the existing software?
has anyone successfully ported the CM6 camera over to sense?
how are you all getting alone with your "8MP" camera?
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The new 3.30 update is supposed to help with dark shots, have you had a chance to try it out yet?

xHausx said:
The new 3.30 update is supposed to help with dark shots, have you had a chance to try it out yet?
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no i haven't. i'm not changing roms for the camera. but i'll look into moving the camera app over from the 3.30 rom. see if it works?

Max_Pain said:
no i haven't. i'm not changing roms for the camera. but i'll look into moving the camera app over from the 3.30 rom. see if it works?
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If you're using the older stock ROM you can flash it over top of the one you have and only wipe the dalvik & cache, that way you keep everything as is. If not you should be able to just copy the camera stuff. There's more to it then just the .apk file though, someone posted a list of changed files and I believe it showed some of the camera files in the system/lib folder changed also.

Max_Pain said:
hey guys.
i come from a photography background. classical training (dark room, color and bw), plus many years with very expensive canon dslr equipment. point being i have a penchant for photography and a good idea for image quality.
i wasn't expecting the quality of my G11 from this phone but i was definitely expecting better than what i am getting. pictures at night or in restaurants come out horribly overblown. most places pictures come out blurry and/or very soft focused.
i've seen posts blaming it on the camera software (sense). can the software really be crippling the hardware that much? is there an alternative camera software or a fix to the existing software?
has anyone successfully ported the CM6 camera over to sense?
how are you all getting alone with your "8MP" camera?
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While I appreciate your experience and expertise, and I say that without any sarcasm, as I do like taking pictures and wish I knew more about photography, it is after all, only a phone...

dianneeraser said:
While I appreciate your experience and expertise, and I say that without any sarcasm, as I do like taking pictures and wish I knew more about photography, it is after all, only a phone...
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yeah but it's a phone that bragged about being able to capture bleeding colors thanks to its 8mp camera. if i'm getting the same image quality as my samsung code was getting me, it's dissappointing
the image quality problems we're experiencing i think are due to software limitations. hence why pictures supposedly come out better on CM6...

Nah, it's hardware. HTC has never been known to have good smartphone cameras.
I came over from the Epic... Lordy, what a great camera that thing has!
What's the deal with people saying that their camera took better pictures once the outer lens cover cracked, and was removed? Any truth to this?

Does anyone have a link to this apk. Or do I have to switch roms. Better yet I'm on a rooted stock sense Rom how would I get this apk on my phone.

I'm testing out VIGNETTE for taking photos.. so far it looks better.. I dont like the fact that it creates its own gallery....
how does the new 3.30 camera app work??

My lens cracked so I took the cover off and replaced it with a custom piece of clear scotch tape. Pictures look better now than they did before ( I'm serious). Here's a close up.
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What you are looking at is egg yolk, rice and plantain...what was left of it. Comida de pobre.
Sent while sitting on the toilet.

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My lens cracked so I took the cover off and replaced it with a custom piece of clear scotch tape. Pictures look better now than they did before ( I'm serious). Here's a close up.
What you are looking at is egg yolk, rice and plantain...what was left of it. Comida de pobre.
Sent while sitting on the toilet.
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You were eating that on the toilet?

tgruendler said:
You were eating that on the toilet?
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No silly billy.

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You were eating that on the toilet?
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Mexican must go "right through him"

I agree with the OP. Yes it's only a cell phone but if anyone has used the camera on a BlackBerry Bold 9650, or a Tour for that matter you'll see the difference is night and day.
Hi all btw, I've read a lot on here but never posted!

@ Max Pain:
I completely agree with your assessment on the poor quality of the camera, as do many others who bought the whole "HD Cam" nonsense that HTC sold us.
To be fair, yes, this is a phone... But, the marketing (go figure) for the Evo hyped up the camera abilities as HD, 720p video. This phone does neither well. While they have made improvements in the coding since the release, this camera struggles immensely with jitter, poor low light capture (in which most cases the flash seems to wash everything out), and horrible audio quality during video.
Lastly the compression used is awful, and here's why I don't care how many megapixels the silly sensor captures, at the end of the day compression rules all.
95% of my pictures come out grainy and crappy, particularly while using the digital zoom. The software just cannot cope.
I started a thread about this very issue a couple months back, unfortunately the devs don't seem to view this as a task worth undertaking, and after the little amount of research and specs I've seen this may be because the cam sensor used sucks as badly as the software controlling it. It just doesn't do low light well at all. I still believe there's hope if someone with the programming stones who also shares a love for good photography steps up to the challenge.
Otherwise, we probably won't have a good camera until the Evo 2.
HA.
Anyone interested in seeing this topic gain momentum can go here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=782211
And just to prove I don't think the hardware is to blame check this out, this camera can shine under the right conditions. This photo is fully stock, not retouched in any way, and was taken using one of the various sense roms floating around mid summer. If we could get the low light shots, and video on par with this, I think we'd be in good shape.
The second photo is in the dark but shooting a bright frame, up close...
I don't think they are bad at all, they just rarely turn out like this.

I noticed that it takes 5-10 times to manually focus before taking a shot to get a sharp looking picture.
It's as if the algorithm for autofocus is broken, and only occasionally does the camera focus properly.

nabbed said:
I noticed that it takes 5-10 times to manually focus before taking a shot to get a sharp looking picture.
It's as if the algorithm for autofocus is broken, and only occasionally does the camera focus properly.
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WORD.
Me too. I'm always tap tap tapping the screen, and swearing at it. By then I've usually missed the shot I want to take.

[Q] Weird camera pictures. Should I exchange my phone?

I recently discovered this on a white lumia 900 and wonder if this is normal or if I need to get my phone exchanged.
The camera always gives a slightly discolored halo in the middle of a picture taken without a flash. I took a picture of a blank white wall and the effect can be seen clearly in the piture. (I adjusted the brightness a bit) (since i cant post links)
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Also, it doesn't take really good pictures in the dark. One weird thing that I saw is in this picture below. I took a picture with the phone in complete darkness and then opened the picture on the phone. The screen looks black but then when you pinch-to-zoom and increase the picture size, all sorts of weird dots and stuff appear and also can be seen if you auto-correct the final image using any picture software. I clicked the picture of the phone screen in a dark room.
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I got same problem

Vignetting, digital noise, and the laws of physics
randomlightspeed said:
I recently discovered this on a white lumia 900 and wonder if this is normal or if I need to get my phone exchanged.
The camera always gives a slightly discolored halo in the middle of a picture taken without a flash. I took a picture of a blank white wall and the effect can be seen clearly in the piture. (I adjusted the brightness a bit) (since i cant post links)
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Lulz. Welcome to the world of photography. You have discovered two things that have been discussed in photography for well over a century vignetting and noise/grain.
I have a $300 NONZOOM lens that if used on a $3000 camera will show vignetting if you shoot it wide open (f/1.4). Not sure why anyone would think the tiny lens on a mass produced phone handed out for free would be immune to that.
A guy bought a DSLR for $6,000 new and put a $1,500 lens on it. This is what he found...
randomlightspeed said:
Also, it doesn't take really good pictures in the dark. One weird thing that I saw is in this picture below. I took a picture with the phone in complete darkness and then opened the picture on the phone. The screen looks black but then when you pinch-to-zoom and increase the picture size, all sorts of weird dots and stuff appear and also can be seen if you auto-correct the final image using any picture software. I clicked the picture of the phone screen in a dark room.
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The Lumia 900 is an awesome phone but it has to obey the laws of physics. You can't cram eight megapixels into a space the fraction of the size of a fingernail and expect to get noise free images. That's why miniaturization and the megapixel race are an anathema to good photography. I'll put it to you this way one of the greatest photographers ever prefered to shoot his work with an 8x10 camera. That's right a camera with film that measured 8x10 per a frame. Now you are shooting in terrible lighting conditions with a sensor that is a fraction of the size of your fingernail. My question is what did you expect?
Here's a little primer on sensor sizes...
For professional photography Canon APS-C is really the minimum. Sigma Fovean can be used but it is a very unique technology. Four thirds cameras take some decent pictures as well but that is about the limit. FYI see that tiny green box on the left? The sensor you are critiquing is a fraction of the size of that. Also when I really want to take I nice shot I use a medium format FILM camera. It's negative is even bigger than the medium format sensor on that chart.
Arizona Highways is considered to be at the pinnacle of photographic magazines. It usually only uses images taken with FILM cameras like this...
So bottom line is that vignetting and digital noise are present to some degree in EVERY camera phone. Are they at an unacceptable level in your particular unit? I don't know. I would have to know a lot more about your testing methodology and see similar sample pics taken under the exact same conditions by a variety of phones. Your phone may be defective or you may just be one of those special people that really pays attention to the quality of photographs. Some people for whatever reason are just really tuned in to what looks good and what looks bad. I love showing people like that my pictures. They can actually appreciate them or at least tell me what looks bad.
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Yeah so do people with three thousand dollar cameras. It's all a matter of degree.

Unfortunately, the camera on this phone sucks. I have one and it takes horrible pictures 90% of the time. 10% of the time you will be amazed at how great the pictures look, the rest of the time you will be disappointed.
Not sure how how Nokia screwed it up this bad.
randomlightspeed said:
I recently discovered this on a white lumia 900 and wonder if this is normal or if I need to get my phone exchanged.
The camera always gives a slightly discolored halo in the middle of a picture taken without a flash. I took a picture of a blank white wall and the effect can be seen clearly in the piture. (I adjusted the brightness a bit) (since i cant post links)
imgur.com/caiBu
Also, it doesn't take really good pictures in the dark. One weird thing that I saw is in this picture below. I took a picture with the phone in complete darkness and then opened the picture on the phone. The screen looks black but then when you pinch-to-zoom and increase the picture size, all sorts of weird dots and stuff appear and also can be seen if you auto-correct the final image using any picture software. I clicked the picture of the phone screen in a dark room.
imgur.com/bnp0F
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randomlightspeed said:
I recently discovered this on a white lumia 900 and wonder if this is normal or if I need to get my phone exchanged.
The camera always gives a slightly discolored halo in the middle of a picture taken without a flash. I took a picture of a blank white wall and the effect can be seen clearly in the piture. (I adjusted the brightness a bit) (since i cant post links)
imgur.com/caiBu
Also, it doesn't take really good pictures in the dark. One weird thing that I saw is in this picture below. I took a picture with the phone in complete darkness and then opened the picture on the phone. The screen looks black but then when you pinch-to-zoom and increase the picture size, all sorts of weird dots and stuff appear and also can be seen if you auto-correct the final image using any picture software. I clicked the picture of the phone screen in a dark room.
imgur.com/bnp0F
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Let me see if I can give a simple explanation..
For your halo effect or as you can see its yellowish in the middle a been a noted problem in the lumia phone ( Samsung SGS2 forums are filled with similar problems what they call as the pink spot).
Apparently the phone might have a problem of adjusting the white balance and hence giving the yellowish tint.
Solution : I would try and see if you can manually adjust the white balance on the camera setting and see if it makes a difference to you as people have seem to found better results then the auto settings.
Regarding the Second problem as mentioned above its Noise which you probably get with low light photography.
SOLUTION : Try using flash with lower iso if possible, The higher the iso the more the noise, the lower the iso the less the noice will be and also make your pictures more darker, best to use flash.
Just my humble thoughts... and I dont have the lumia yet, but hoping to purchase one soon.
There are quiet a number of bugs in the lumia 900 which nokia has acknowledged and will be addressed in future updates

bitemydonkey said:
Unfortunately, the camera on this phone sucks. I have one and it takes horrible pictures 90% of the time. 10% of the time you will be amazed at how great the pictures look, the rest of the time you will be disappointed.
Not sure how how Nokia screwed it up this bad.
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If your Lumia 900 is taking "horrible" pictures 90% of the time it is either defective our you aren't using it correctly.
There are several adjustments on the camera. I suggest playing with them. I definitely change the color balance depending on the lighting conditions and I mess with the scene settings as well.
When you say the pictures are "horrible" what are you comparing them to? Frankly I've never been impressed with the low light capability of sensors smaller than Canon APS-C. Especially if you decide to go pixel peeping the way the OP did. I pixel peeped an image from a point and shoot camera years ago... I never did it again. You see all kinds of things you don't really want to know about.

[Q] gnex camera vs...

I've read a lot or reviews and post saying that gnex camera is junk... but actually how is it? compare let said to an iphone 4 which is has same 5mp camera? or a SG2? or a Xperia arc? anybody has an idea which phone has a camera similar to the gnex and how bad really is it?

I've read a lot or reviews and post saying that gnex camera is junk..
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how does anything less than awesome = junk? Misstatements and exaggerations are not the good way to start a thread..

And that's why I'm asking... every single thread here and review said that "the camera sux" "the camera is useless" etc... since I dont own one, I was wondering how is compare to cameras that I've own in the past...

I think the camera is great. There may be better, but I'm coming from a droid 1 which had a pretty bad camera. The zero shutter lag is amazing.

The Camera is decent, not really "bad" by any means but of course it will be bad compared to the new generation of phones like the GS3 or iPhone 5.
Im actually quite surprised sometimes even if the shots are a little grainy. My friend even took a few decent pics in a club with the flash, so it will be good for most needs.
Its probably on par with the iPhone 4 camera. Maybe slightly better than it.

a few of my galaxy nexus photos..
anyone who says that the camera is bad just doesnt know how to use a camera
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^ Exactly. A camera is only as good as the photographer.
My friend can't use the "awesome" camera on his HTC 1s to save his life.
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btw, every one of those locations where these photos were taken, were under 4-7 feet of water monday night due to hurricane sandy

those pics look really good... if the camera is the same or more efficient than the one on iphone 4, is a good camera too me... I just wanted to be sure before buying this phone...

As a former S2 owner I can say that the picture quality of the Nexus is lower. I don't say that it's junk, but the difference is visible. What I like about he GNexus's camera is the zero shutter lag, it's quite helpfull in some ocassions. If you want good quality pictures use a dedicated camera, a smartphone is a smartphone. The pictures that I take with it are used mainly for Facebook and other social sites, the resolution or quality isn't that important.

simms22 said:
a few of my galaxy nexus photos..
anyone who says that the camera is bad just doesnt know how to use a camera
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Out of curiosity, are you using the stock app? or another? I agree for the most part this phone takes pretty good pictures...yours are excellent though.

Let's not exagerate. They are abover average, but they can't be compared with the ones taken by an S2, I4... they are of lower quality.

Hey Simms22
How do you take pictures like that. Mine come out fuzzy. Like it looks good before I take it, and then boom it looks so bad and ugly.
Sometimes I just take a screenshot Cuz that comes out Better then the picture. Why is it better before the actually taking a picture???
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sdmark said:
Out of curiosity, are you using the stock app? or another? I agree for the most part this phone takes pretty good pictures...yours are excellent though.
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stock camera app. but i do have to admit, photography has been a hobby of mine for over two decades. the place where most normal camera phone users dont look at is lighting. taking the right kind of photo for the lighting available, or finding ways to get the kind of lighting thats needed. many times its just a simple matter of tilting the phone at different angles, like sunset photos. when shooting sunset photos i tilt the phone at about 20-40 degrees. if you shoot the photo with the camera phone pointing stright at it, colors get washed out or photos are too dark(except the sun). by tilting the phone up, you get to see all the wonderful colors in the sky. there are lots of little tricks like this that could be learned. also, using a flash in daylight, i do this to bring out bright colors in flowers instead of letting the sun "bleach" the photos with overly bright light. also, very important in camera phones, is cleaning the camera lens cover before shooting. almost no one does this. photos appear slightly blurry or smudged if you dont.
same photo with and without a flash, completely changes the mood...
and a few more, all stock camera

I usually never use the flash. I agree with the screenshots solution but never tried that. For example the other night I wanted to take pictures of my lit pumpkins. The image was nice and dark and just showing the glowing faces. Snap a pic and it come out like a deep purple background and nasty. The image on the screen looks great but sucks once it captured it. I'm sure it would do the same thing with any other phone though.
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player911 said:
I usually never use the flash. I agree with the screenshots solution but never tried that. For example the other night I wanted to take pictures of my lit pumpkins. The image was nice and dark and just showing the glowing faces. Snap a pic and it come out like a deep purple background and nasty. The image on the screen looks great but sucks once it captured it. I'm sure it would do the same thing with any other phone though.
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the samoled screen of the gnex is pretty, but misleading. it tends to oversaturate colors and blacks. thats why photos look better on the phone, but not as vivid on other screens.

simms22 said:
the samoled screen of the gnex is pretty, but misleading. it tends to oversaturate colors and blacks. thats why photos look better on the phone, but not as vivid on other screens.
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you do great work!

Gnex camera is not so good on low light. I previously owned a galaxy note and the pics taken from that phone is better at low light. Not that surprising as the gnote is 8mp. Then again i literally suck in taking pictures. Gnex cam is not that good but not that bad either
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