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Yes, I've decided to take on a mammoth task, welcome to "ROSS"... "Replacment Operating System Structure" for Mobile phones & PDA's =]
The website is located here!
Yeah, you all think i'm crazy "hang on, you can't port Android to X50v!"
Well, not YET, but with help It will be done.
What is android you may ask?
Android is google's open source platform for Mobile phones and PDA's =]
So yes, I plan to create a operating system for X50v to replace WM6 with and allow users to develop/change bits of the operating system they don't like.
There will be a few "flavours"
Lite: Basics, very Basics, just Wifi/bluetooth support, a simple GUI and No applications (just a few settings). This free's up a LOT of RAM + ROM
Medium: The one "hopefully" most people will use, This is the standard one, basic office applications (replacing all the standard WM6 ones) a few games, decent GUI etc.
Heavy: The one that leaves least RAM and ROM available, the one with the most applications + usability, although it may lag a little.
Of course, we're going to build a "super-lite" version first, just to make sure it's flashable to the X50v =]
Maglite_RUS & Football may be willing to help, maybe not, we hope for his help + support throught this project
but first we need a team!!!
If you have any experience in making ROMS for X50v (ONLY, we will work on others after the X50v is done) or developing operating systems (various Linux distro's included) and Java (what the majority is coded in) then please please sign up. I plan to help develop the applications rather than the operating system myself, but I will work on ALL aspects of the project of course
If you're interested, and have found this link of google or something, then don't hesitate to email me here
Feel free to discuss =]
Hi Obsidiandesire...
This could be a great project!
It's very nice to see you're a PPC enthusiast like me...
I'm a PC software developer (not PPC) with quite experience but to start this project we need some black belt coders...
Another Linux project was already started here
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/DellAximX50 but the developing speed was not so fast...
Another issue would surely be the ROM compaction problem that will kick in also on a different OS.
The only thing that could solve this on x50v would be to hack the bootloader in a way to load OS from SD or CF , so all data will be written on a fast write NAND device... By the way this would mean loosing the internal ROM!
But your approach seems to be the most sensible one, as one would never lose the possibility to startup the phone's default os (windows mobile).
It seems quite an interesting project, i have to admit i have a strong will to help you out, as i am also a professional programmer, however i am not a java, or C developer (long time i do not do anything in C), so i guess i am more of a designer myself
Well, i will keep up with this post and maybe we will colaborate in the future, i feel it's time to have our own software in the mobile's, i hate the microsoft's approach to the os handling.
Glad to see we're getting some interest in this project!!!
Hopefully, soon we could set up a website and start developing =]
who knows, we may be the lucky winners of the google competition and get $10 million! (not much use to me because im british lol)
So, you're Idea would be basically multi-boot?
sounds good, but we'd need to modify the bootloader (maybe hold enter, power + reset to switch to ROSS-Mobile?)
Sounds good! and i've just started learning Java too, so this project could take a while, hopefully, if it starts getting quite a bit of attention, we could move it to other platforms (HTC touch etc) which would make us Gods within the PDA community
I do like the posibilities of Android as it looks like it could make good use of the graphics chip in the X50v and it wouldn't have Windows Mobile lagging it down
How much RAM does it have again? It would be as powerfull as an old PC if you overclock it slightly (700mhz, 32MB RAM, 16MB graphics or something like that) and slap on a minimal OS and you could have your own [email protected] Pocket version! lol
Sorry if i've gone off on a tangent, i'm really excited about Android and it's possibilities.
First steps though, how would you get the DEFAULT android software to boot on the X50v? I think this should be our goal before starting on the project itself
this is cool. if anyone gets this to work i would be happy to be a tester. i don't know much about programming but have flash other devices with Linux.
A bit a info i picked up on flashing Linux on ipaqs is that you had to flash a new bootloader that would boot both wince and Linux. don't know why both but maybe to return to wince because to flash the boot loader you did it with a app that ran on wince and after that you would boot the bootloader and make a serial connection so that you could send the linux distro and erase wince.
Thanks for the info, more help on how to do this would be great! (I could try this on my X50v for testing purposes)
would it not be actually possible to boot the android/linux directly from a storage card? so as to effectively allow users to 'dual' boot?
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would it not be actually possible to boot the android/linux directly from a storage card? so as to effectively allow users to 'dual' boot?
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Each time you would boot a os you would erase saved data (hard reset) because you would need the memory were the settings are for each os. but thats is what i think i haven't flash a device for a long time so im out of date on this as far as if they gotten a doul boot win ce and linux but i assume that this will be a problem with win ce and android dual boot.
You would have to put both os in the flash mamory(were the os goes) and find a way to save the settings from a os and store them so that it can load the settings for the other os and vice versa
but you could do it like linux on a palm zire72. i have linux on my zire but linux is on the memory card when i reset the device it will reboot onto the palm os, so no flashing happens just load the bootloader through the palm os and linux kernel loads, but at the same time palm os is hard reseted, this is palm but same linux that is used on ppc. You would need to find a way too load a bootloader during win ce but dont see that this is possible. only one os at a time.
And Obsidiandesire i will try to get an old friend that used to work on porting linux to ppc he might help on the bootloader part but haven't herd from him for a long time but will try hard on finding him. but as long as we get many people this might be possible. i will post later if i find him.(good luck on your leg)
or, the flash memory card from which you 'boot' the android/linux from could actually hold a partition which served as a flash drive/storage drive aswell? so effectively it would mean you would require something like a 1gb or 512mb card, splitting that to allow you RAM and ROM space but i cant see why that would be too difficult. it would just be a matter of tricking the linux to thinking the local on-drive storage is its 'root' drive and the default drive to save to and to completely and totally NOT access any of the WM stuff on the flash memory that is hard-soldered onto the handset.
not sure if this helps, just bandying ideas around at the mo!
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or, the flash memory card from which you 'boot' the android/linux from could actually hold a partition which served as a flash drive/storage drive aswell? so effectively it would mean you would require something like a 1gb or 512mb card, splitting that to allow you RAM and ROM space but i cant see why that would be too difficult. it would just be a matter of tricking the linux to thinking the local on-drive storage is its 'root' drive and the default drive to save to and to completely and totally NOT access any of the WM stuff on the flash memory that is hard-soldered onto the handset.
not sure if this helps, just bandying ideas around at the mo!
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I see what you mean, but then the card might not be recognised in windows =/
However, denying the operating system access to writing the rom (and store everything in RAM) might work, but all settings would have to be stored on the SD card which could lead to a slow application.
The SDK (with the sample apps) itself is around 100MB, but Methinks that the final OS will be around 30MB (Without any apps)
Expanding on the partition Idea, what about partitioning the ROM itself? This might require a special WM6/5/CE ROM but one flash compared to many (everytime the device boots) could be worth it, and it could get round the setttings loss if we restrict each one to not write over the other?
My leg is getting better thankyou, seems like a severe muscle strain (The doctor said) so i should be back in school tomorrow.... great
i see what you mean by the card not being recognised by windows and offer a simple solution:
have a DEDICATED card for android and a seperate card for storage under WM.
to be completely honest with you, theres people on here spending hundreds and hundreds of pounds to have the latest device (and im one of them) im sure they wouldnt mind spending an extra few pounds for another memory card which would allow amazing functionality without actually jeapordising their current WM install (so they can have an install of WM6 to fall back onto)
what i propose is the following system:
1) MEMORY card formatted and partitioned to allow more or less the same sort of structure of memory/ram as the onboard memory does
2) INSTALL the actual android/linux to the memory card utilising the space as you would the hard-soldered memory on the phone without actually modifying the handset itself in any way whatsoever.
3) THIS method allows people to effectively dual-boot android/WM6/5 without the danger of them actually ruining their WM6 install, effectively using the android/linux platform to play about with whilst having the original WM6 to fall back onto for day-to-day usage.
shouldnt be too difficult to accomplish, im sure a modified bootloader would do the job pretty well, cant see why without the help of Olipro and Pof this cant be done!
LETS GET THE BALL ROLLING!
Seems good, but what, have the SD card for storage and CF for the OS? 'cos you obviously can't have 2 SD cards in the X50v (unless there's a CF-SD card adapter lying around somewhere on the web or on a shelf)
But as far as getting the ball rolling, yeah!!
Work on having the vanilla build of android (one included in the SDK) running before starting from scratch!
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Seems good, but what, have the SD card for storage and CF for the OS? 'cos you obviously can't have 2 SD cards in the X50v (unless there's a CF-SD card adapter lying around somewhere on the web or on a shelf)
But as far as getting the ball rolling, yeah!!
Work on having the vanilla build of android (one included in the SDK) running before starting from scratch!
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another problem would be on getting the bootloader to see the cf card and that maybe a problem, we would need to add one of the slots(sd or cf) to the bootloader and let us choose what os to boot or what memory to boot(sd,cf, or rom mem).
the other way if we don't want to modify anything would be loading a bootloader during winidows mobile.
i hate this time difference
i cant see why you cant actually have the android on the SD card and stick to having the CF card as storage for both WM and Linux
that way, it would mean a sort of 'standardising' for people to port over to other phones which use SD based memory cards.rather than making it bespoke to CF capable devices (of which there arent many!)
Yes, the problems will be a rebuild of the bootloader to recognise both SD + CF cards.
And loading the bootloader under Windows mobile could be good, but you'd then have to terminate WM (which could be a problem)
And which part of the USA do you live in? There's probably an 8 or 9 hour time difference :-(
@dude_stix
well, even so, you'd need both SD + CF storage, which AGAIN could be a problem. But (in my experience) CF is more expensive, and considering Android will take up less space, It seems a more viable option (in my example, a 32MB CF card would be useless if I installed Android on a 2GB SD card and nullified the rest of the space for use (which could happen))
I think the easier option would be to modify the bootloader to look for images on both cards and install on the one with the image on it.
What about drivers etc? Obviously these would be needed for most things.
drivers????
thats all i got but it would not be hard if htc releases its android devices soon so we can get ideas from them. still today linux devices have problems with bluetooth, wifi, backlight, sd, etc...
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That's a 6 hour time differance :/
The Drivers being the things (mainly DLL's in WM) that controll the wifi/bluetooth etc.
This is why Linux has problems with them, i think they have to rebuild their own or something, which could pose a problem.
Do you think we should set a website & Forums up, or is it too early at the moment?
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drivers????
thats all i got but it would not be hard if htc releases its android devices soon so we can get ideas from them. still today linux devices have problems with bluetooth, wifi, backlight, sd, etc...
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Yeah... ...Drivers!!
This will be the hard one...
With WM6 cooked rom it was easy... We could reuse WM5 drivers written specifically for that device (x50v and x51v needed a specific driver for the 2700G chipset).... So if there won't be any Smartphone with such chipset with Android pre-installed it would be very hard to write that drivers from scratch... By the way somewhere I remeber I found a PowerVR driver source code for Linux that could be useful to do the job...
Cheers
Antineutrino said:
Yeah... ...Drivers!!
This will be the hard one...
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Cheers
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Isn't the drivers' job what the linux kernel is supposed to do? Why don't you go grab the kernel from the gpe/opie project and add the android image to it, partition the sd card with a windows and a linux partition like the other linux guys do, load the ramdisk like they do and see if it works. At least they have a start on the drivers for the Axim.
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Isn't the drivers' job what the linux kernel is supposed to do? Why don't you go grab the kernel from the gpe/opie project and add the android image to it, partition the sd card with a windows and a linux partition like the other linux guys do, load the ramdisk like they do and see if it works. At least they have a start on the drivers for the Axim.
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Well, this could be a start indeed, now how do we get android actually ON the x50v??
It is not quite self-explaining how to install Android on our Windows Mobile devices. Therefore I took some time and wrote down all the steps for people who are new to "Android".
More testers -> more experience -> more knowledge -> faster/better development.
I hope this way the forum is kept clean(er) from all kinds of questioned that have already been answered many times.
ReadMe Includes:
- Partitioning
- Device preparations
- Boot loader
- Install steps
- Fixes
- Links
- more...
If you are a developer (you create your own package) feel free to use my ReadMe for your packages (update regularly though).
to download the ReadMe click the [Android Repository] button in my signature.
It goes to a rapidshare page with 3 files, and when I click on the filename Android_README.TXT
or start download, I get the error
The file could not be found. Please check the download link.
ok thanks. i fixed it (rs bug when renaming files ^^)
How would i partition a 1GB SD Card? ie what sizes etc are the last 3 same but the unallocated is just whats left over?
I want to use a spare card rather then the one that came with my HD.
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How would i partition a 1GB SD Card? ie what sizes etc are the last 3 same but the unallocated is just whats left over?
I want to use a spare card rather then the one that came with my HD.
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normally just calculate how i wrote in the readme:
whole space -768 (3* 256) and then the other 3 x 256
but in ur case i would make the swap smaller (i think its not even used at all) and the fat32 bigger; for instance:
fat32 - 384 MB
ext2 - 256 MB
ext2 - 256 MB
swap - 128 MB (rest)
To be honest the bit I find most confusing is all the different versions!
i didnt create any partitions on my card, and android works as good as it does on any, mind you i have not updated the files fo0r a month so alot might have changed
ReadMe updated!
updated a bit...
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To be honest the bit I find most confusing is all the different versions!
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i agree...
i've been looking these posts here for a couple of days now and i still don't know how to do it....
especially the DualBoot thing...
is it possible to make a little bigger how-to manual?
or at least explain the versioning and the needed thing a little more?
the readme is about 50 times longer than anything else u will find about installing android anywhere else
the different versions are just like in windows mobile, theres not much to explain, its rather up to ur personal preference. doesnt take as long as flashing a wm rom, so its easy to try out more versions, especially with more sd cards.
dual boot is easy:
1. install the cab
2. open the dual boot program and make all your settings, for example: auto boot android (click on the checkbox/ratio under android logo), check auto boot checkbox and check fast boot (means 3 instead of 10 secs).
3. restart your device, DONT LAUNCH HARET because that will destroy all the dualboot settings. if you restart/shutdown the device normally, the settings will be stored and android will automatically booted at next startup (or whatever you set before)
if you have android autoboot and u want to boot wm, just QUICKLY press the wm LOGO when the dual boot screen appears.
i might include this in the readme soon, just dont have the time right now unfortunally
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the readme is about 50 times longer than anything else u will find about installing android anywhere else
the different versions are just like in windows mobile, theres not much to explain, its rather up to ur personal preference. doesnt take as long as flashing a wm rom, so its easy to try out more versions, especially with more sd cards.
dual boot is easy:
1. install the cab
2. open the dual boot program and make all your settings, for example: auto boot android (click on the checkbox/ratio under android logo), check auto boot checkbox and check fast boot (means 3 instead of 10 secs).
3. restart your device, DONT LAUNCH HARET because that will destroy all the dualboot settings. if you restart/shutdown the device normally, the settings will be stored and android will automatically booted at next startup (or whatever you set before)
if you have android autoboot and u want to boot wm, just QUICKLY press the wm LOGO when the dual boot screen appears.
i might include this in the readme soon, just dont have the time right now unfortunally
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Thanks for the dualboot help... i'll try that...
the first problem I have encountered yesterday when trying to put Android was SD card formating...
i downloaded the program you said and followed the instructions oh how-to and was not able to do it under Windows 7 with my 16GB SD card... does it even work for Windows 7??? is there another program I can try to do it with???
I have also dualboot on my PC with the Kubuntu being the second OS, but I'm not using it as much as Windows 7... I can try with it if you think it will work.. but first I have to download the 15GB of data from my SD card to my PC, again
I would like to put the Espresso build cause I saw that it has everything working beside the GPRS and camera...
can you tell me what should I download for my Blackstone so it works properly???
thanks alot...
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Thanks for the dualboot help... i'll try that...
the first problem I have encountered yesterday when trying to put Android was SD card formating...
i downloaded the program you said and followed the instructions oh how-to and was not able to do it under Windows 7 with my 16GB SD card... does it even work for Windows 7??? is there another program I can try to do it with???
I have also dualboot on my PC with the Kubuntu being the second OS, but I'm not using it as much as Windows 7... I can try with it if you think it will work.. but first I have to download the 15GB of data from my SD card to my PC, again
I would like to put the Espresso build cause I saw that it has everything working beside the GPRS and camera...
can you tell me what should I download for my Blackstone so it works properly???
thanks alot...
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like the readme says: partitioning is only needed for partitined builds, which means that android uses several partitions to store different kinds of data, for - hopefully - more speed. only glossy uses partitions, espresso doesnt.
for glossy, u can also use ubuntu (download parted magic or something similar) to create partitions.
for espresso, u just need to copy the stuff onto ur sdcard.
but thats all in the readme... i dont have time to explain in detail coz i need to study a whole ****in lot at the moment +.+
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like the readme says: partitioning is only needed for partitined builds, which means that android uses several partitions to store different kinds of data, for - hopefully - more speed. only glossy uses partitions, espresso doesnt.
for glossy, u can also use ubuntu (download parted magic or something similar) to create partitions.
for espresso, u just need to copy the stuff onto ur sdcard.
but thats all in the readme... i dont have time to explain in detail coz i need to study a whole ****in lot at the moment +.+
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ok... thanks for the help... you helped me a lot just with the claryfication of the versions that need partitioning and the ones that don't...
i didn't know that...
good luck with studying!!!!
one more question...
I get the following message '' Failed to load file\Storage Card\zImage''
Can you help me with that????
qtype said:
one more question...
I get the following message '' Failed to load file\Storage Card\zImage''
Can you help me with that????
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meaning u dont have a zImage at all (ur probably using espresso?). so download one from here, copy files onto sd card and rename "zImage.xxxxxx" to "zImage" and ur ready to go.
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meaning u dont have a zImage at all (ur probably using espresso?). so download one from here, copy files onto sd card and rename "zImage.xxxxxx" to "zImage" and ur ready to go.
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yep, I downloaded it but I didn't know that i have to rename it...
It did the trick... booting up Android
thanks for all of your help...
updated the readme, not includes DualBoot howto and some other changes...
I managed to get the WiFi working but no matter which zImage I'm using I can't get the 3G to work...
I'm I doing something wrong or did I maybe forgot to do something????
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I managed to get the WiFi working but no matter which zImage I'm using I can't get the 3G to work...
I'm I doing something wrong or did I maybe forgot to do something????
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well, some details about what version you are using would be helpful. however, this is not the right channel to ask this question. i think this question has already been asked several times in other threads. try search function or read the thread for ur version, its probably a version-issue or only for your country/provider
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well, some details about what version you are using would be helpful. however, this is not the right channel to ask this question. i think this question has already been asked several times in other threads. try search function or read the thread for ur version, its probably a version-issue or only for your country/provider
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sorry about that...I realized it later that I should ask in another thread that question...
I managed to figure it out... I just needed to manually configure my APN settings...
hello all i need to know is how you make the .zip rom into a .tar are used a program but converting it doesnt work, if u could pls just help me i want to put together my own rom, thank you..
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hello all i need to know is how you make the .zip rom into a .tar are used a program but converting it doesnt work, if u could pls just help me i want to put together my own rom, thank you..
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http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/gtar.htm
However you may want to consider doing a Linux install. I think most Android hacking is done i Linux. I recommend doing a Wubi install of Ubuntu(google it) if you want to try out Linux without messing with your partitions. Another option is to run Linux from within Virtualbox.
An easy way is to install 7zip. With it you can store files in tar.
The best way of learning how to put together a custom Android build is to start by studying the way that the .tar files are structured, I started by using 7-zip to study and change some of the files, ( you can really mess up your android doing this ).
However you will need to have access to a PC running Linux for some of the more advanced tasks. There are ways of running Linux without disturbing your PC's partitioning, but honestly, a dual-boot is the best way to go, you only need about 10-50GB of hard disc space for a decently set up Linux install, (10GB is enough for a well set up slackware based install like zenwalk).
Good luck on your journey into Android
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There are ways of running Linux without disturbing your PC's partitioning, but honestly, a dual-boot is the best way to go, you only need about 10-50GB of hard disc space for a decently set up Linux install...
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Actually a Wubi install of Ubuntu is a dual boot solution that does not touch your partitioning. There is a small performance penalty for keeping the file system within a large file on your NTFS file system but I doubt most people will notice. Installation is as easy as next-next-finish and uninstallation is easily handled from within Windows.
http://wubi-installer.org/
In fact, it's very similar to doing FAT32 SD-card install of Android except that the performance penalty is much, much less noticable and it's really dual boot so you do not need to boot Windows in order to boot Linux.
A wubi install is pretty good if you like the Ubuntu way of doing things, I don't, just personal taste, I like my Slackware distros too much
But yes, since everyone seems to be on ubuntu/debian based these days, wubi is indeed a good solution to having to partition your HDD.
thank you guys u have been very helpful and also iv had ubuntu before so i know how to install, u guys have been very helpful thank you..
Im thinking of installing UBUNTU on my PC i just need to know how it works will it get rid of my vista ? I only ask cuase my wife will kill me if it does.
Please help I want to learn how to do more with my phone and it seems that UBUNTU is the way to go i cant get anything to work right on vista .
Thanks for any help sorry Im such a noob.
You can dual boot a computer with the OS you currently have and Ubuntu. I did it for years before I purchased my MacBook in '09. I really enjoyed Ubuntu but it has been a while since I last used it.
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Yeah, you can add it as a dual boot, which is how most people do it.
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Yeah, you can add it as a dual boot, which is how most people do it.
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Sorry for being such a noob but how do I do that?
Do I just download it from there site and install it I just don't want to mess up my wifes computer . Thanks for the help I will hit the button when I get to my PC they should add that option in this app.
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When you run the CD, you *should* be prompted to choose to dual boot or not, if I remember correctly.
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When you run the CD, you *should* be prompted to choose to dual boot or not, if I remember correctly.
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Correct. Make sure to hit the "install with" and not to reformat the hard drive. If you reformat the hard drive it will erase windows. I ran dual boot for a couple months then finally decided to get rid if windows all together and stick with Linux/Ubuntu. (Great decision by the way)
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A dual boot system isn't hard to do if you are installing both os's onto a harddrive that has been pre-partitioned to accomodate both.
If you set up a dual boot using the existing free space on your harddrive, you have to partition that free space for the other os and if it's not enough you can run out of space fast.
The easiest way for you since you stated you are new to this is to use a virtual machine such as vmware, virtual box, or cygwin and load ubuntu in that. In vmachines the image for the other os can be set to grow in size if it needs it.
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A dual boot system isn't hard to do if you are installing both os's onto a harddrive that has been pre-partitioned to accomodate both.
If you set up a dual boot using the existing free space on your harddrive, you have to partition that free space for the other os and if it's not enough you can run out of space fast.
The easiest way for you since you stated you are new to this is to use a virtual machine such as vmware, virtual box, or cygwin and load ubuntu in that. In vmachines the image for the other os can be set to grow in size if it needs it.
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How would I go about partitioning my harddrive I really want to use this and I've tried to install cygwin with no luck I must have done something wrong ?
Now I'm on the ubuntu site and there are different ways to do this it says download and install and there is another option to run it with windows. Now I can't use these without partitioning my harddrive I have like 100gb free memory left on there is that not allot and thanks for the help btw.
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How would I go about partitioning my harddrive I really want to use this and I've tried to install cygwin with no luck I must have done something wrong ?
Now I'm on the ubuntu site and there are different ways to do this it says download and install and there is another option to run it with windows. Now I can't use these without partitioning my harddrive I have like 100gb free memory left on there is that not allot and thanks for the help btw.
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Vista has a disk management option that allows you to partition your disks.
Virtualbox is an easier setup for novices IMO but you still need to download the ubuntu iso to install into virtualbox.
Your 100GB free space can be used to make an 80GB partition for ubuntu which will be plenty. But I still suggest you use a virtual machine first before going the dual boot route.
Check dsixdas kitchen thread here in xda to get a tutorial on setting up ubuntu in virtualbox.
If you want to go dual boot, the best thing to do is read over the install instructions before you do anything so you're familiar with the steps. Google installing Ubuntu Dual Boot, too and you'll find a lot if info on how much space to set up for the Linux Partition, which, during install,m you have the choice to set yourself, or you can let the installer use a default size for the partition.
I remember I tried to do this on an old computer once.
Ended up overwriting windows and ****ed everything up. Especially since I couldn't even get Ubuntu to boot.
Might try it again and actually read some instructions first this time.
I just read this thread last night, and it inspired me to try dual booting Ubuntu. I had always wanted to try it, but never got around to reading up on it. Everything went smooth, and I'm now learning Ubuntu. Seems pretty nice so far, and installing it was a breeze for me. Nothing got jacked up, which is always good!
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I just read this thread last night, and it inspired me to try dual booting Ubuntu. I had always wanted to try it, but never got around to reading up on it. Everything went smooth, and I'm now learning Ubuntu. Seems pretty nice so far, and installing it was a breeze for me. Nothing got jacked up, which is always good!
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I still didn't get to try it out but what method did you use it sound like what I'm looking to do ?
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It is really nice to have access to both. I had to use my Ubuntu install to Root my EVO. It wouldn't work in Windows, so having a choice was great.
There's a lot to learn with Linux, in general, the command lines, etc, just Google as much as you can, and you'll find all the answers you need.
Also #Ubuntu on IRC is a great place to ask questions.
You people are nubs
Use the install inside windows option.... it will allow you to install ubuntu from within windows and DO ALL THE WORK for you...it adds ubuntu as a second boot option sindie of windows's bootloader... it will boot primarily into windows and at the boot screen after turning your comp on just press down and select the second option which would be ubuntu.
If you need any help just pm me. I have this set up running and ubuntu on my ext hard drive as well.
surprising that nobody's said this is a phone forum yet. this is a good thing. and i've asked more off topic...
either way, i've been trying for a while and haven't been able to install it on my late 09 imac. i mean i've tried forrever and still can't get it. anybody kno?
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You people are nubs
Use the install inside windows option.... it will allow you to install ubuntu from within windows and DO ALL THE WORK for you...it adds ubuntu as a second boot option sindie of windows's bootloader... it will boot primarily into windows and at the boot screen after turning your comp on just press down and select the second option which would be ubuntu.
If you need any help just pm me. I have this set up running and ubuntu on my ext hard drive as well.
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Maybe you should read the entire thread.....
Please lower the volume down. I'ts a little bit noisy. Thanks.
In this video, I am going to install Windows 8 from using UltraISO, to installing Windows 8 in continuous 46 minutes video. There will be some little captions telling what I'm trying to do or what I was doing.
so I'll be showing:
- UltraISO
selecting ISO
writing files from ISO to USB drive
- Selecting USB to boot
- Installing Windows 8
- Showing the dual boot screen
- Seting up the Windows 8 for the firstime
- Seting up my dual monitor in Windows 8
- Playing with the apps and features
IE
Video
Music
Pictures
Messaging
Mail
- Enabling Administrator mode
- Installing my System Power application
- Showing who boots faster
via: jaysonragasa.net
why is this so lost?
Not sure, but the Microsoft Windows 7 USB Download Utility works fine. A couple of clicks and done
It's always good when members make video tutorials though :good:
the_scotsman said:
Not sure, but the Microsoft Windows 7 USB Download Utility works fine. A couple of clicks and done
It's always good when members make video tutorials though :good:
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It won't write Win 8 RTM to USB for me but it'll write to DVD's just fine.
sholsten said:
It won't write Win 8 RTM to USB for me but it'll write to DVD's just fine.
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Strange, it worked with USB drive for me
I tired to install windows 8 by way of usb flash drive method. I got as far as to which drive i wanted to install windows 8 on i have 2 hard drives 1 tb and a 1.5tb i formatted both drives thinking this program was gonna install then the install failed said something about being unable to install. I was pissed off then i had to reinstall windows 7 Ultimate all over again. My flash drives are 16GB and a 4Gb and the 16GB had the windows 8 software on it.
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Not sure, but the Microsoft Windows 7 USB Download Utility works fine. A couple of clicks and done
It's always good when members make video tutorials though :good:
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That never worked for me. I always look for an easy way of doing things but it keeps failing so I end up doing the long way, but I think it's much safer and at least you know what's happening.
websterzx10r1 said:
I tired to install windows 8 by way of usb flash drive method. I got as far as to which drive i wanted to install windows 8 on i have 2 hard drives 1 tb and a 1.5tb i formatted both drives thinking this program was gonna install then the install failed said something about being unable to install. I was pissed off then i had to reinstall windows 7 Ultimate all over again.
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Man .. at least think of what happened first then try to do it all over again, try different flash drives, make a 2 copies and use the other one if the other one failed. Some files might be corrupted while you're on the process of transferring files from the ISO to flash drive.
Making a video is more frustrating than installing.
working with HTC Radar 4G phones?
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Not sure, but the Microsoft Windows 7 USB Download Utility works fine. A couple of clicks and done
It's always good when members make video tutorials though :good:
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+1 i have same mind
explorer-10 said:
working with HTC Radar 4G phones?
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what?
explorer-10 said:
working with HTC Radar 4G phones?
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Nullstring said:
what?
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Think he got same thougts than me ....
...but its no software for my mobile device.
... or is it ... ?
(Didn't see the whole vid)
I tired to install Windows 8 again new download same message.
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websterzx10r1 said:
I tired to install Windows 8 again new download same message.
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try clicking "Drive Options" and try to delete that partition or reformat it
MSTRoyal said:
Think he got same thougts than me ....
...but its no software for my mobile device.
... or is it ... ?
(Didn't see the whole vid)
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if you guys are looking for Windows Phone 8, then you're in the wrong thread because this is for Windows 8 Operating System running on your desktop machines
websterzx10r1 said:
I tired to install windows 8 by way of usb flash drive method. I got as far as to which drive i wanted to install windows 8 on i have 2 hard drives 1 tb and a 1.5tb i formatted both drives thinking this program was gonna install then the install failed said something about being unable to install. I was pissed off then i had to reinstall windows 7 Ultimate all over again. My flash drives are 16GB and a 4Gb and the 16GB had the windows 8 software on it.
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having two hard drive will always create problem..try to take out the bigger hard drive,install the os,then attach the hard drive,problem should be solved.
boudhayan said:
having two hard drive will always create problem..try to take out the bigger hard drive,install the os,then attach the hard drive,problem should be solved.
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I never had that problem though. I have my windows 7 installed on SATA 1 with two partitions and installed on partition 1 and windows 8 on SATA 2 with also 2 partitions.and w8 is installed on partition 2. quite a complicated drive setup.
thanks guys will try this later on tonight when i get off from work.
I'll try to use the old Win7/Vista method (format thumb drive to FAT, write to the boot sector using bootsect.exe then copying the installation files from the ISO) to install the RTM (still downloading it, will need at least 3 days to finish it).
BTW, I used Windows 7's native burner to create the installer DVD. Windows 7 can natively burn ISO's and retain the bootable info from the ISO.
I can put the ISO to USB drive with Windows 7 USB Tool (or something like that), but the win8 won't boot at all after (halfway) installed. looks like display driver issue to me ... d*mn ....
OPEN CMD
1. diskpart
2. list disk
3. select disk x (où x est le numéro de votre clé USB)
4. clean
5. create partition primary
6. active
7. format fs=fat32 quick
8. assign
Put the file inside from CD or ISO.
Restart your PC and tape touch to run option boot, check your usb drive...
and install it...