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A word about some of the complaints that people on the forums seem to be making

List of complaints that need to be addressed because people keep making threads on them:
1. The Camera is 5 MP.
Okay, anybody who things that megapixels = quality probably knows very little about photography. More megapixels in many cases introduces more noise, especially considering how small the camera is.
If you want to print photos at a letter sized at 300 ppi, invest in a REAL camera. A low end DSLR will blow any phone out of the water; the image sensor is several times as large.
http://www.unlikelymoose.com/more/cameras/megapixel_converter.html
Until we see this phone next to a Galaxy S2 and an iPhone 4S taking pictures in a controlled environment, we can't say that this camera sucks.
2. The pentile display
It is currently not possible to make a 1280x720 or 1280x800 RBG display at the size we want and if they made it bigger, it would be very expensive.
http://pentileblog.com/uncategorized/pentile-for-720-hd-oled-smartphones/
The Galaxy Note has reached a point where some people say that they cannot see the subpixels, so this phone should not be a problem.
The only real valid criticism that the screen has a "blue" tint. For those that are unfamiliar with OLED technology, blue subpixels have the shortest lifespan. This was a deliberate decision by Samsung to maximize screen life.
Overall, side by side comparisons indicate that this is a step forward from the GS2.
3. The SOC/GPU
I am also disappointed in the PowerVR SGX540, but given the circumstances, it is the best SOC they could have chosen. The only alternative would have been the Exynos 4210 (the 4212 uses a new 32nm process not available and is only "sampling" right now) or the Qualcomm Scorpion, with its Adreno 220, which is inferior in terms of both CPU and GPU.
Of particular concern is the new generation of more demanding games and the fact that this GPU needs to drive a 1280x720 screen.
We need to see some real benchmarks as ICS may have had some under the hood optimizations and how it stacks up to the Tegra 3, which will come out in a couple of months. The Tegra 2's GPU was by no means better than the lower clocked (btw, did I mention that this GPU is higher clocked than the one on the GS1?), SGX540 on the first generation of Galaxy S phones.
The OMAP SOC on board is native 1.5 GHz, so I'm sure that you will be able to overclock it back to native clockspeed. I fully anticipate 2 GHz+ mods to come out afterwards.
4. It's too big
Your opinion. I like big phones.
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
6. No SD Card
This is one I am also disappointed at. It's a trend in the Nexus phones right now. Google seems to be encouraging cloud usage. I dislike this one as well, because data is expensive and ICS specifically has data management tools reflecting this.
Somewhat mitigating this is that there are 32 GB versions available and that internal storage is faster than a class 10 SD card.
7. DAC and sound quality?
Unknown and I eagerly await the answer.
Will I buy this phone?
Actually, I am undecided. I want to see reviews first and hold it. I am also eagerly waiting to see what the DAC is. Come H2 2012, A15 parts and perhaps an RGB version of the 720p display are probable. I will however buy it if I can get a sweet deal.

Couldn't agree more on peeps complaining about the 5mp camera!! I have a 3.2mp Sony digital camera that is probably 10 years old. It isn't even a DSLR. But it takes far superior pictures than my 8mp camera on my Charge. Why? In a word, optics !! My old camera has a Zeiss lens on it. It is folly IMO to expect high quality pictures from a phone camera !! If you want to be a photographer, buy a camera !!

All valid points, was a good write up. I especially agree with the point about waiting to see it in the flesh.

I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp

The issue I take up with the size is that it feels like there's a lot of blank and empty black space in not only the bezel (especially the bottom) but also with ICS. In general, the size and look of the device is both a love and hate. Sometimes I think it's gorgeous, and other times I think it's hideous. I think this is one of those "time will tell" things.

Counter arguement:
My Opinion > Your Opinion.
Your move.

JCopernicus said:
Counter arguement:
My Opinion > Your Opinion.
Your move.
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Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".

bmstrong said:
Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".
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Then why did you bother posting in the first place?

Enough.
The very purpose of this thread was to minimize this kind of trolling.

For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
http://asia.cnet.com/large-screen-smartphones-pocket-test-photos-62211932.htm

justabrake said:
I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp
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Stand closer?
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Bawb3 said:
Stand closer?
Use a program? I posted one earlier.
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Nebucatnetzer said:
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i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore

justabrake said:
i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore
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Not camera apps. A program to enlarge a picture there are some for professional use. You know there's still something called a PC .
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ruthlesset said:
For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
http://asia.cnet.com/large-screen-smartphones-pocket-test-photos-62211932.htm
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Stuff fits easily in empty pants, amazing.
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I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.

Lootes said:
I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Most of these "it won't fit my pocket" arguments are troll posts from people who have no intention of buying the phone.
I have played for a bit with the Galaxy Note. It was big, but it did fit in my jeans with my keys inside.

sauron0101 said:
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
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I'll be happy with the durability if its as good as the Galaxy S II. With curved design of the Nexus, it'll less likely to get screen damaged on drops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw

Lootes said:
I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Any difference in the feel between the two SGS2 -Nexus

So I've had a dozen different android phones but none without an SD card. How does this work? Does it have a partition to mimic the sd card? Im going to get this phone regardless, but want to know if I can transfer all my files over from the sd card on my current phone.
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[Q] Galaxy Nexus or Note?

I can choose beetwen nexus or note... Which i should choose? Is non-external SD, software buttons or 5mpix camera bad? pls post your experience

non external SD is bad if you have a lot of songs and videos, which i don't. Software buttons are great as i am able to configure the buttons' color and placement. 5mp camera is good enough for my needs.

Sramie said:
I can choose beetwen nexus or note... Which i should choose? Is non-external SD, software buttons or 5mpix camera bad? pls post your experience
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Galaxy Nexus would be my first choice. I was excited the VZW version was 32gb but really I don't even use most of it as I use Google Music to stream my uploaded music. I really am liking the on screen buttons more than the physical ones. As for the camera the zero shutter lag if awesome, I don't see why people are complaining about it as the 5mp is fine. So far I love my Nexus!!!

Note is a niche product for those that want a big screen. I would of gotten this if it had pentaband so I can import it on tmo, but after using Nexus for a while - I've come to the conclusion I wouldn't really be happy with the size of the phone.
The nexus is actually pretty big for a 4.3" screen phone as well, due to the massive bezel above and below the phone. But the fact that it's really a 4.65" screen and with custom roms, will likely be able to utilize the full screen for everything means it's a bigger bang for buck than any other 4.3" phone with soft keys. Try watching an HD video on it, you'll feel that the full screen size is actually really nice as is.

Now i have galaxy note and i now can refund and buy Gnexus.. But i like stylus but it is inaccurate. So not usable for drawing pictures.. Also have many MANY problems with screen (horuzontal lines,dead pixel etc... And also.. Can be Gnexus kept in warranty with locking bootloaders back? i am happy flasher and need warranty

I had the note, while very nice I just couldnt use it as my daily driver. Having that thing in my shorts pocket at the gym or out on a bike ride or a rollerblade was the reason. While it will fit in the pocket in an accident I just cant see it not getting busted. So I now have the GNex and love it.

I did not get the Note because it was not pentaband and therefore it would not work on TMoUS.
However, I am very happy with the Nexus...

very big thanks to all reports ! but something more.. what about graphic chipset Note vs Nexus ? is it same ? i heard Nexus have older graphic

somebody ?

If your hands are above average big, the Note might just be for you. For me, the Galaxy Nexus is just about big enough and anything bigger would be severely impractical.
The Note has a bigger screen, but the Nexus has roughly the same resolution and can render an equal amount of content in the browser and other places with equal detail.
The Nexus has a super-fast camera. Maybe not the best on true colours etc, but it's super-fast. None of your shots will be blurred, like typical pictures taken with a cheap digital camera is.
Right now Note comes with some extra stuff and a styles and runs a Touchwiz'ed Android build. The Nexus is a nexus, 100% open and running ICS fresh of the Google source.
For me the Nexus is the only choice. Two of my colleagues opted for the Note instead. We're all happy.
Non-external SD can be solved by USB OTG and memory-sticks. Or 1TB external harddrives. Really. I think the camera is amazing. Megapixels doesn't really matter that much once they go high enough.

Ok so i will try nexus

Galaxy Nexus, RAZR or iphone4S

Ive decided to get a new phone (Well, actually my HTC decided for me by having its touchscreen die) but I'm not entirely sure what to get.
(The part that sucks about this, is all the new quadcore phones and iPhone 5 coming soon/later this year)
The Galaxy Note was just too big, so I've narrowed it down to the Galaxy Nexus, Moto RAZR and iphone4S. How have you found the GN to be? Is there anything I should keep in mind?
The RAZR and the GN have pretty much the same GPU/CPU combo, but the GN has a better screen, right? Would you say that you can really see the difference in the GN screen compared to a QHD screen?
The thing that's holding me back from the GN is the camera. I've heard that its fast, but not very good (Esp. compared to the iPhones camera) and at 5MP the resolution is pretty small these days.
The RAZR is kinda tempting because of all the accessories (Lapdock etc,) the ultra thin design, 8MP camera (Thou ivebheard the quality is so-so) and being expandable up to 48 GB.
I'm trying to keep ICS out of the equation, since the RAZR will have it soon.
And then theres the iPhone. I've heard the camera is awesome on it, it has a GPU that still can't be beat by any Android phone, and Apple is really awesome with providing updates quick, and for a long time after they released a phone. The thing that really holds me back though, is the 3.5 inch screen. Yes, it's an awesome screen, and amazing PPI, but I'm not sure I could get used to a screen that small after having an SGSII and Evo3D for a while with a 4.3 inch screen.
So yeah, is there anything about the GN I should know about? What phone would you choose if you haven't chosen the GN? Fire away!

I own both Verizon Galaxy nexus LTE and AT&T iPhone 4s.
Your thoughts are right on. The iPhone 4s has the better camera by far. If you are a picture person get the iPhone. iPhone is still the slickest no lag phone on the market. Personally I still use it as my main phone.
The galaxy nexus is the smoothest android phone to date. I have own numerous android phones including the original G1. But battery life isnt the best on the Nexus.
Motorola phones are known for their antenna and call quality. If you are considering the Razr. Only consider the Razr Maxx. My friend original Droid Razr battery sucks also. I had a qHD Atrix and it's fine for a screen. But the Super AMOlED HD screen on the nexus is beautiful.
Though choices. U can't really go wrong. They are all good choices.

If someone ever has to ask Android vs iOS then I always suggest iOS as that person clearly doesnt understand the massive advantages Android has over Apple.
Get an iPhone.

With my gnex I use an app called Camera ZoomFx and the pictures are excellent. I had a 4S and I think its camera is overrated, especially when using the flash. There are reasons to choose the 4S over the gnex, but the camera isn't one of them imo. I think the current iphone is not even in the same league as the gnex (4g, nfc, super amoled hd 4.65" display, ics, free gps, etc). I think the next iphone will be more competitive, but for me its not even close. The gnex wins my $ easily.
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I was in a similar situation RAZR or GNex. Coming from the Infuse, I guess it kinda made it extremely important to find a device with epic dev support because out of all the phone I've owned, the infuse would've been a killer single core phone right next to the SGII if it were more popular... imo.
Dev's on the GNex have more freedom, but I'll admit, only thing I hate about it is the Camera. It's the ONLY thing I hate. ****, if Samsung went out of their way to put the GSII's camera on it, world domination would be in order.
I went to the Infuse 4G from an iPhone 3GS. iOS is cool, but the iPhone turned into more of a fad "I R KEWL" device other than something for techies to fiddle with, even when it's jailbroken.

in all honestly i had the biggest trouble picking between the samsung galaxy nexus and samsung galaxy II.
galaxy s2 has an sd card slot, 8mp camera, and its going to have ICS with all the cool features.
nexus only has NFC and a better screen, but then again not very good battery.
the rest of the phones i dont even care about, none of them interested me.

rayoubi said:
in all honestly i had the biggest trouble picking between the samsung galaxy nexus and samsung galaxy II.
galaxy s2 has an sd card slot, 8mp camera, and its going to have ICS with all the cool features.
nexus only has NFC and a better screen, but then again not very good battery.
the rest of the phones i dont even care about, none of them interested me.
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The Nexus has a bigger battery than the s2. And can you please explain to me why an 8mp camera is better than a 5mp?

my ONLY gripes with this phone that may influence your decision are...
Size: The phone is big, not thick - but just long and big. You always know this phone is in your pocket, especially if you are sitting down. Its not a big dealt to me, but this is a very big difference between the Gnex and the 4s.
Battery: The battery life SUCKS. When you are using your phone (browsing the internet, taking pictures, playing games, etc), you can watch your battery go down the drain. One hour of web surfing will lose you a good 15-25% battery.
Camera: It sucks. But this is a feature I rarely use. The 4s photos are godly, no other phone that I know of can compete.
The screen is ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. I know that the 4s has a nice screen too, but the resolution + size of the screen make it really spectacular.

The camera is fine on my GNex. Seriously the same exact picture quality as my old Droid Incredible (which was great for 8mp).
Battery is fine, just learn to put the phone down and live.
Screen is fantastic, although some people are getting faulty ones, but if you get one manufactured more recently you may be fine.
Oh and not to mention iOS is about as stagnant and feature full as its going to get without a total overhaul.
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I think you should consider the HTC rezound. It has the best screen out with 720p 4.3" display, equal to the galaxy nexus but sharper. Google it. 32gb of storage, 8mp camera with 1080p recording. 2mp front face camera. Beats audio, Dual core 1.5ghz snapdragon processor. Dev support is major! Mine is running android 4.0.3 ics and has face lock. Phone is the only one aside from the Thunderbolt that can talk and surf at the sametime on 3g and 4g. The other 4g phones on Verizon can only do it on 4g. HTC sense is the best and with the new sense 4.0 releasing its gonna be a monster. I had the nexus and its nice but it's boring. Vanilla android is ok for some but not me. The 5mp camera was not that great and I dislike the fact that there is no external sd slot. I just hate Motorola blur. They keep a good signal though. With the rezound you get a chance to experience vanilla ics or HTC sense. You can't go wrong. It's amazing
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vszulc said:
Ive decided to get a new phone (Well, actually my HTC decided for me by having its touchscreen die) but I'm not entirely sure what to get.
(The part that sucks about this, is all the new quadcore phones and iPhone 5 coming soon/later this year)
The Galaxy Note was just too big, so I've narrowed it down to the Galaxy Nexus, Moto RAZR and iphone4S. How have you found the GN to be? Is there anything I should keep in mind?
The RAZR and the GN have pretty much the same GPU/CPU combo, but the GN has a better screen, right? Would you say that you can really see the difference in the GN screen compared to a QHD screen?
The thing that's holding me back from the GN is the camera. I've heard that its fast, but not very good (Esp. compared to the iPhones camera) and at 5MP the resolution is pretty small these days.
The RAZR is kinda tempting because of all the accessories (Lapdock etc,) the ultra thin design, 8MP camera (Thou ivebheard the quality is so-so) and being expandable up to 48 GB.
I'm trying to keep ICS out of the equation, since the RAZR will have it soon.
And then theres the iPhone. I've heard the camera is awesome on it, it has a GPU that still can't be beat by any Android phone, and Apple is really awesome with providing updates quick, and for a long time after they released a phone. The thing that really holds me back though, is the 3.5 inch screen. Yes, it's an awesome screen, and amazing PPI, but I'm not sure I could get used to a screen that small after having an SGSII and Evo3D for a while with a 4.3 inch screen.
So yeah, is there anything about the GN I should know about? What phone would you choose if you haven't chosen the GN? Fire away!
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Don't worry about quad-cores, if they end up like dual cores did in the start it won't be an issue for another year.
Now to the question, it kind of depends, but if I were to chose I'd take the Galaxy Nexus, or the iPhone 4S. Preferably the Galaxy Nexus.
The GPU in the iPhone is better, the one in the new iPad is insane, and I doubt anything better will come until late 2012 (new Nexus with OMAP 5?).
But the GPU in the Galaxy Nexus is still relatively competitive, and not to mention you can double the clock speed of the A5 GPU.
That said I can give you some statistics on that. *
PowerVR SGX 543MP2 @ 250 MHz = 16 GFLOPS (Current iPhone 4S)
PowerVR SGX 543MP4 @ 250 MHz = 32 GFLOPS (New iPad)
PowerVR SGX 540 @ 384 MHz = 6.14 GFLOPS (Galaxy Nexus)
PowerVR SGX 540 @ 512 MHz = 8.19 GFLOPS
PowerVR SGX 540 @ 550 MHz = 8.8 GFLOPS
That being said there is something else I forgot that was in the Galaxy Nexus's favor..
*Not taking any other gpus because these number might not be comparable between architectures.

Galaxy Nexus, hands down. I can't stop smiling ever since I got the Gnex. I had a HTC Sensation before, it's been really good to me but cannot beat the Gnex. And this phone this AMAZING photos, you just have to hold the phone straight, and click the power button. Excellent clarity, excellent speed, mind-blowing display!
Never go for an iPhone.

RAZR is great, but I dont consider getting updates frequently since its not directly from Google. i was dying to trade it for my sgs2 before Gnex is announced but glad i waited.
4S? I wouldnt comment on that. I hate iphone, not Apple but iphone only. So its your choice. i admire iMac, Macbook, and iPad but iphone.
Gnex? Well, I am happy with everything it has. Even the battery sucks, i still love it. I even use its 5MP camera most of the time rather than my SGS2 8MP camera. Both took decent pics though.

What do you need in a phone:
1- a sexy design ( razr)
2- an eye candy screen with the ability to tinker the sh*t out of it ( galaxy nexus)
3. A good phone with loads of app and accessories (iPhone)
Its all about taste. I tried everything but got in love with android especially nexus phones ( calms me down tinkering with it like a child trying new things everyday)

Mega pixels. Don't really mean much unless you are printing these pictures out and unless you are going over the normal time 5x7 5mp is enough to 8mp doesn't mean that picture will look better when displayed in but if you printed out the same picture one with 5mp. And one with 8mp and print size of 10x10 you would certainly see the difference but on a four inch screen no it comes down to hardware.
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One more vote for Galaxy Nexus.

battery life - Razr maxx or 4s
gaming - maxx or 4s
4g - maxx or GN
screen - maxx or GN
picture - i use a Nikon D90 with 35mm or 50mm
if you ask me, i will pick Maxx or wait for 4g iphone.

I think 2 things are hilarious:
1.) The OP comes into the galaxy nexus sub forum of XDA expecting to not get biased opinions.
2.) There have been 14 responses and he hasn't said a word.

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The Nexus has a bigger battery than the s2. And can you please explain to me why an 8mp camera is better than a 5mp?
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it might have a bigger battery but the HD screen takes alot of power, making the galaxy s2 lasting longer if i recall.

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it might have a bigger battery but the HD screen takes alot of power, making the galaxy s2 lasting longer if i recall.
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My nexus lasts significantly longer than my s2. The nexus idles at about half the usage as the s2.

HTC One S better than GS2 but not worth upgrading.

So, I did lots of research and reading and all sorts of information gathering. I have reached the conclusion that the HTC One S is better than T-Mobile Galaxy S II, but not by a large margin. Now, this is just my opinion, but it is based off of lots of information digging and research. I will try to be as unbiased as possible, leaving usage out of the equation. I do not own the One S and will try to ignore any experience with the GSII.
Now, the core of both phones are very much the same both having Qualcomm Snapdragon processors, but the One S has the the edge in this one as it has the newer version, the Qualcomm Snapdragon (S4) Krait. The Krait can fetch, decode and execute more instructions in parallel than its predecessor (Scorpion, Snapdragon S1/S2/S3). I believe the S II holds the S3 (tell me if I'm wrong). This is not a minor difference and is a very evident difference. They both have 1 GB of RAM.
Now, the screens are preferred by different people because they are so different. The S II has a 480x800 Super AMOLED Plus screen at a size of 4.5in. measured diagonally. The One S has a 540x960 Super AMOLED screen at a size of 4.3in. measured diagonally. The issues on the Galaxy S II's screen are only the lines and blotches (aka the mura effect) as far as my research got me. Now, the One S doesn't have that problem (again, all based on research), but it does have problems such as unusual coloring around text,images, and icons. This is due to the phone using alternating red and blue/green and red pixels rather than the traditional Red, Green and Blue (RGB) pixel arrangement. Another issue with the screen is contrast shift. Look at the screen from anywhere off dead center and a distinct blue hue will descend, which is very noticeable. Finally, while the bright, vivid colors are nice to look at, the AMOLED screen tends to over saturate colors meaning the color temperatures are completely off a lot of the time, leading to inaccurate and off-looking images. These screens have major differences but both are preferred by different people. For example, I like the S II screen compared to the higher res screen of the Sensation, due to the color advantage, where as my brother is the opposite.
Both phones come with 16 GB internal storage. The S II user gets to utilize 11 GB of it and the One S user gets to utilize 10 GB with 2 GB for app. The big difference is that the S II has expandable external memory up to 32 GB whereas the One S has no external storage slot. This is a deal-breaker for many, but light to moderate users can live with it.
The cameras are the same except that the One S has a still shot feature while recording a video, but this requires a 4:3 aspect ratio while recording to utilize the 8 megapixels to take the still shot, rather than the preferred 16:9. (Many users are reporting that the One S camera although it has the same number of megapixels, takes better pictures and is a much better camera overall).
The S II boasts a 1850 mAh battery where the One S has a 1650 mAh battery. The One S has, on average, 20-24 hours of life on a single charge. BEWARE: THE BATTERY ON THE One S IS NOT REMOVABLE! While still annoyingly low, it is on a par with most smartphones these days. The Galaxy S II also has very similar battery life even though it has more mAh. This is due to the larger screen mostly.
Software is something that will not be discussed in detail because of bloatware and the fact that the software in Android phones is very malleable.
The One S ships with Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) and Sense 4.0. The Galaxy S II ships with Android 2.3.5(Gingerbread) which is upgradable to Android 2.3.6(Gingerbread) and is yet to receive an official Android 4.0 update. The Galaxy S II also comes with TouchWiz 4.0. The Android 4.0 on the One S works extremely well with its upgraded processor and is very smooth. The Galaxy S II's Gingerbread also runs very smooth on its own processor. Both phones can be rooted and different ROMs can be flashed on both.
This is it so far. I will be adding any new updates in the same format as devs do.

aranurea said:
The Galaxy S II also has very similar battery life even though it has more mAh. this is due to the larger screen mostly.
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Just going to say, it doesn't matter what the screen size is, it he amount of pixels it has. The reason for longer battery in HTC is because of the S4 can handle processes more efficiently and faster.

Also the HTC one has no removeable battery.but the one thing I can say is it is HTC and they do make a damn good device

S3 vs S4 is a HUGE change. You can't write it off as a minor point. The HTC One S is simply a better phone than the S2 at this point. But is it good enough to warrant an upgrade? Not really.
If the One X makes its way over, then I'd absolutely jump ship.
Just going to say, it doesn't matter what the screen size is, it he amount of pixels it has.
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This is so false. Like to the point where I don't even know where the begin.

it might not be worth upgrading it but it doesn't make the One S the loser. The Snapdragon S4 it is a big step up from the S3, also the HTC One S have better build materials not some cheap plastic chrome that scratches even with a case on. Personally I wouldn't upgrade the One S or even the GSIII those devices don't bring anything new to the table.

josemedina1983 said:
it might not be worth upgrading it but it doesn't make the One S the loser. The Snapdragon S4 it is a big step up from the S3, also the HTC One S have better build materials not some cheap plastic chrome that scratches even with a case on. Personally I wouldn't upgrade the One S or even the GSIII those devices don't bring anything new to the table.
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ive had my phone for about 5 -6 months not one scratch on the chrome part (i dont see any chipping) maybe u mean tiny ass meniscule scratches that u cant even see if so god ur so over observant. i NEVER use any stupid cases. idk what the hell ur talking about.

The One S battery life far exceeds that of the GS2 and I thought that phone had amazing battery life. I'm averaging 26 hours heavy use with 4G on all day.
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jonathan3579 said:
The One S battery life far exceeds that of the GS2 and I thought that phone had amazing battery life. I'm averaging 26 hours heavy use with 4G on all day.
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Qualcomm did an excellent job on their processor. Instead of hoping on the quadcore bandwagon like nividia and samsung.
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aranurea said:
So, I did lots of research and reading and all sorts of information gathering. I have reached the conclusion that the HTC One S is just as good as the T-Mobile Galaxy S II at best. Now, this is just my opinion, but it is based off of lots of information digging and research. I will try to be as unbiased as possible, leaving usage out of the equation.
Now, the core of both phones are very much the same both having Qualcomm Snapdragon processors, but the One S has the the edge in this one as it has the newer version, the Qualcomm Snapdragon (S4) Krait. The Krait can fetch, decode and execute more instructions in parallel than its predecessor (Scorpion, Snapdragon S1/S2/S3). I believe the S II holds the S3 (tell me if I'm wrong). This is not a major difference, but the difference certainly is there. They both have 1 GB of RAM.
Now, the screens are preferred by different people because they are so different. The S II has a 480x800 Super AMOLED Plus screen at a size of 4.5in. measured diagonally. The One S has a 540x960 Super AMOLED screen at a size of 4.3in. measured diagonally. The issues on the Galaxy S II's screen are only the lines and blotches (aka the mura effect) as far as my research got me. Now, the One S doesn't have that problem (again, all based on research), but it does have problems such as unusual coloring around text,images, and icons. This is due to the phone using alternating red and blue/green and red pixels rather than the traditional Red, Green and Blue (RGB) pixel arrangement. Another issue with the screen is contrast shift, as you can see in the comparison picture above. Look at the screen from anywhere off dead centre and a distinct blue hue will descend, which is very noticeable. Finally, while the bright, vivid colours are nice to look at, the AMOLED screen tends to over saturate colours meaning the colour temperatures are completely off a lot of the time, leading to inaccurate and off-looking images. These screens have major differences but both are preferred by different people. For example, I like the S II screen compared to the higher res screen of the Sensation, due to the color advantage, where as my brother is the opposite.
Both phones come with 16 GB internal storage. The S II user gets to utilize 11 GB of it and the One S user gets to utilize 10 GB with 2 GB for app. The big difference is that the S II has expandable external memory up to 32 GB whereas the One S has no external storage slot. This is a deal-breaker for many, but light to moderate users can live with it.
The cameras are the same except that the One S has a still shot feature while recording a video, but this requires a 4:3 aspect ratio while recording to utilize the 8 megapixels to take the still shot, rather than the preferred 16:9.
The S II boasts a 1850 mAh battery where the One S has a 1650 mAh battery. The One S has, on average, 20-24 hours of life on a single charge. While still annoyingly low, it is on a par with most smartphones these days. The Galaxy S II also has very similar battery life even though it has more mAh. this is due to the larger screen mostly.
This comparison is not finished and will be continued tomorrow.
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You obviously didn't do a very good job at your research if you think that the One S and the SII have the same camera. 8 MP cameras are not universally equivalent just because they have the same amount of megapixels.

jonathan3579 said:
The One S battery life far exceeds that of the GS2 and I thought that phone had amazing battery life. I'm averaging 26 hours heavy use with 4G on all day.
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really? FAR exceeds?? it'll be awesome if the battery life is better but far exceeds is something i would say when comparing the gs2's battery life to the amaze/sensation (1.5x-2x more)
but that's awesome.
OP, you should really have hands on before reviewing more. It is hard reviewing off "researches" when a lot of things comes out bias and all.

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You obviously didn't do a very good job at your research if you think that the One S and the SII have the same camera. 8 MP cameras are not universally equivalent just because they have the same amount of megapixels.
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Their Zeiss camera on the HTC line is far superior to ours
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adslee said:
You obviously didn't do a very good job at your research if you think that the One S and the SII have the same camera. 8 MP cameras are not universally equivalent just because they have the same amount of megapixels.
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i would have to agree with this, I doubt the s2 is on par with HTC's camera, they excel in that department starting with the mt4gs, i doubt their camera has degraded since the amaze.

I went out and got the HTC phone (I have 3 upgrades on my account) and I have played with it for a few days and I have t say that a few things bug me about the phone.
The size of the screen can become annoying because I am acclimated to the SGS2 screen size and keyboard, you can increase the font size on the HTC but you will suffer in the keyboard auto word options.
The camera does take some good photos BUT...when you look at them on the actual phone after you snap a pic, it looks as though they are somewhat blurry, but after you email them to yourself and view them on a PC they are VERY clear and detailed.
HTC Sense 4.0 is good but it can also be a little annoying.
People complain about the phone only coming with 16 GB of memory BUT you also get 25gb of drop box memory for free and also Skycloud for an additional 7gb for free and if you have google drive you have an additional 5gb there as well.
Data Speeds are wayyyy down compared to the SGS2 I could not muster up data speeds faster than 6-7mb down and 1-2mbs up.
Overall this phone will take some time to become a favorite but I am hooked on the SGS2.
THIS JUST MY OPINION and ONLY MY experience......

Based on user comments and more research, I have reached a different conclusion and have changed the name of the thread. Thank you for sharing information with me.
This thread will be constantly updated anytime possible, because I won't have as much time due to upcoming AP Exams in the next week or two.

alphadog32 said:
Just going to say, it doesn't matter what the screen size is, it he amount of pixels it has. The reason for longer battery in HTC is because of the S4 can handle processes more efficiently and faster.
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I have to say that I don't agree. If the International GSII had the same battery as the Tmo GSII and you left both on a white screen, the Tmo would die before the International one. Obviouly I'm talking about a controlled experiment in which the only variable is the screen size and not processes running, processor and others. But things are never ideal for experiments.
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I've been messing with a few. I am not impressed. Htc could give us a qwerty keyboard phone that was up to date, but that's about it. I'm never going to buy another htc phone. I love my g2, though
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Teo032 said:
really? FAR exceeds?? it'll be awesome if the battery life is better but far exceeds is something i would say when comparing the gs2's battery life to the amaze/sensation (1.5x-2x more)
but that's awesome.
OP, you should really have hands on before reviewing more. It is hard reviewing off "researches" when a lot of things comes out bias and all.
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Far exceeds to me includes time on cell data and screen on time. I've never really made an entire day safely with 4G on. Don't get me wrong, the T989 beat the Galaxy Nexus but this phone has the best battery of them all. I easily get around 5-6 hours screen on time while staying on 4G all day doing my routine of texting, YouTube videos, and music streaming on Pandora. I can only imagine how it'd go with bigger battery.
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Honestly the larger the in reguard to more pixels the better. Higher res on larger screens are better than on smaller screen to keep up with the screen growth so.
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Teo032 said:
i would have to agree with this, I doubt the s2 is on par with HTC's camera, they excel in that department starting with the mt4gs, i doubt their camera has degraded since the amaze.
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reviews of the HTC one S, do tend to point out that the camera results aren't always superb, but the software is excellent.

I have the one s, and I had the sgs2 before I started using my amaze. The one s is a superior phone, users that love there galaxy s2 may hate or disagree but it just is. The battery is beyond the galaxy s2, it last longer stock then the galaxy s2 with custom roms or kernels. The screen looks much nicer without the blobs and the resolution is much better. The processor really shows its power considering the amaze has crappy battery life due to its resolution, sense and overall software on this phone all things which strain the processor. Now the one s runs sense, same resolution with a better screen, and a smaller battery yet the processor handles it like a champ and achieves bettery battery. The one s is thinner, has a camera that takes way better photos then the gs2 and feels better in hand because of its materials. This all makes it a better phone but it still has its flaws the gs2 has a better front camera, expandable memory, and will probably have more development. Point is the one s is a better phone but the gs2s development will keep it right up there with it until a better phone is released, I would personally choose the gs2 over the one s, which to get the best of both worlds I'm using the amaze as the camera is on par with the one s but at the sacrifice of battery life because it sucks . Those are my two cents from owning them both.
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Note 3 article

Did anyone else see the article last week stating the note 3 will be 6.3 inches? Supposedly the article said a company making the screens got orders from samsung for a screen that size.
I'd be down for that size, no bigger though. Would be perfect imo
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I can't see samsung doing that.. I get questions all the time about this 5.5 and I have no problems defending the size but a 6.3 would be a joke imo..
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http://asia.cnet.com/samsung-reportedly-working-on-6-3-inch-galaxy-note-3-62219811.htm
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sprintuser1977 said:
Did anyone else see the article last week stating the note 3 will be 6.3 inches? Supposedly the article said a company making the screens got orders from samsung for a screen that size.
I'd be down for that size, no bigger though. Would be perfect imo
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Doesn't Samsung manufacturer their own screens??
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After using GN2 for a few weeks I could see going bigger as long as the physical size of the phone itself doesn't get much bigger. Samsung could easily squeeze more screen real estate into the existing frame by removing the buttons and logo. I plan to keep the GN2 for a few years but would also like to see an unbreakable screen come to the next note.

looks like samsung is getting serious about those flexible screens..no way will a 6.3" phone be a solid device...too big. If this is foldable though....now that will be something special. a 6.3" phone that folds into a 3.15" rectangle no thicker than the original RAZR.....man that would be a sweet phone

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looks like samsung is getting serious about those flexible screens..no way will a 6.3" phone be a solid device...too big. If this is foldable though....now that will be something special. a 6.3" phone that folds into a 3.15" rectangle no thicker than the original RAZR.....man that would be a sweet phone
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Sounds cool but batteries aren't foldable unfortunately. Even with two batteries on each side it'll still be kinda thick.

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Sounds cool but batteries aren't foldable unfortunately. Even with two batteries on each side it'll still be kinda thick.
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take the note 2 and double it's thickness...not that bad really...thinner and smaller than a wallet

For me I would love that size. Wouldn't be an issue for me at all. The bigger the better. As stated they could increase the screen and not make the whole phone much bigger
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If they can squeeze that screen real estate in the note 2 size body then yes i'm all for it. But if the actual phone itself gets bigger then i just might have to pass and look into the galaxy S4 as the screen on that is also increasing and if that isn't sufficient and apple wisen's up and makes a 4.5 inch or bigger in length and width then i might have to consider that also.

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I can't see samsung doing that.. I get questions all the time about this 5.5 and I have no problems defending the size but a 6.3 would be a joke imo..
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Hell I would love a 6.3, this phone seems small to me now.
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It will be interesting to see this larger version. I had an HTC HD2 (previously thought of as a "big" phone) prior to my Note II, and I've had no problems getting acclimated to the new phone. I've been wondering when some 7-inch tablet manufacturer would take the plunge and implement phone services on a mini tablet and bridge the gap. Actually thought that Apple might do it first, but it looks like Samsung will beat them to it. With more people using Bluetooth and Voice Search, and more advanced speech-to-text software being developed, there's less and less need to actually hold the device in (one) hand for purposes of making phone calls. My lady friend also has a Note II -- she's all of 5 feet 4 inches tall, doesn't have large hands, but loves her Note II.

There is no way they are going to make almost an inch increase in screen size. I would like to see the samephysical size or touch larger with slight increase in screen size. I see them going to 5.8".

Again I saw an article I cant find now with the official note 3 specs . It was
6" cloroled screen <although I see now they are prepping for a 5.8" cloroled screen so that size may have changed.>
2ghz quad core
16mp camera with 3mp front facing camera
3gb ram
And those were the major specs .

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Again I saw an article I cant find now with the official note 3 specs . It was
6" cloroled screen <although I see now they are prepping for a 5.8" cloroled screen so that size may have changed.>
2ghz quad core
16mp camera
3gb ram
And those were the major specs .
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Again I saw an article I cant find now with the official note 3 specs . It was
6" cloroled screen <although I see now they are prepping for a 5.8" cloroled screen so that size may have changed.>
2ghz quad core
16mp camera with 3mp front facing camera
3gb ram
And those were the major specs .
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Sounds about perfect for me

my note 3 dream would be:
same physical size as the note 2; however, the entire face would be a screen. no physical buttons and the speaker for calls would be behind the glass while the mic would be on the bottom of the phone.
s pen that is thicker and longer with an easier to press button
flexible screen to keep it from cracking upon drops
larger battery
32gb internal memory minimum
3GB RAM
2ghz quad core processor
12mp camera but better quality
8mp front facing camera
more s-apps
default home screen modified to have a 8x6 grid
apps 2 sd built in

I believe this is close to the truth. 6.3" size, 1080 resolution screen is not that far off from what others are rumored to be doing in 2013. Seem to be lots of competition in 2013 with the high end, large sized Androids.
I hope they are also working on improving the multi-window too. I also hope they keep the removable battery and SD card option. And please more battery capacity and more data storage.
I personally feel that would be the perfect size for my future Android MPPC.

I'd be happy with a slightly bigger phone if the screen was 6-6.3. I would dumpy my Nexus 7 for sure, which surprisingly lately has been collecting dust. I never thought that woukd happen in a million years.
Anyway, 3gbs of ram, and 2.0ghz before the wizards here did their magic...wow. That would be some phone. Add some other stuff like a poster above me said and bam. Perfection. I was reading somewhere, not sure where, Iphone 6 was going to be 5"...too little and way too late for me.
If they could perfect a damn keyboard that would be nice too.
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Warrior1975 said:
I'd be happy with a slightly bigger phone if the screen was 6-6.3. I would dumpy my Nexus 7 for sure, which surprisingly lately has been collecting dust. I never thought that woukd happen in a million years.
Anyway, 3gbs of ram, and 2.0ghz before the wizards here did their magic...wow. That would be some phone. Add some other stuff like a poster above me said and bam. Perfection. I was reading somewhere, not sure where, Iphone 6 was going to be 5"...too little and way too late for me.
If they could perfect a damn keyboard that would be nice too.
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For me thumb keyboard is the best
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I was using that on my Nexus 7, liked it a lot. I've been trying to get used to swype keyboard. Typing on it sucks the but I'm getting better at swyping.
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